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^I know you do sir - which is part of what just makes you so darn awesome! Thank you!

I have thought long and often about the phrase 'sanctity of life' (I don't even like the phrase self) . . . and cannot bring myself to see all as the same - especially when the life in question has shown he/she does not value life.

. . . just musing.

MyJoe:
Plus lots of guiltless people get whacked. . .  by the state. Wouldn't you say that is another problem with it?

The only case against the DP and this is addressed today by not applying it where guilt is not beyond a shadow of a doubt - at least in the society I'm in.

[quote author=m_nwankwo link=topic=692895.msg8560417#msg8560417 date=1308654696]Hi MyJoe. Even, when people are guilty, their is no spiritual bases for death penalty in my opinion. Neither the state nor an individual should harbor the desire to kill another human being even if that person is a criminal. Murder remain murder even when a murderer is the victim. Death penalty is lacking in both love and justice and do no seek ways to rehabilitate the criminal and turn him into a new path. Even if the criminal is a pathological murderer, murdering him or her is not the answer if the aim is to protect society from his evil ways. Society can be protected from his activities by removing him from the public space, and there are non violent ways to do this. My view is that the unconscious or conscious urge for revenge is the motivating impulse for seeking death penalty and not the urge for justice or for protection of society from the activities of the criminal.  Violence is a viscous circle and will only breed violence. Violence reprograms the brain making it virtually impossible for the spirit to have any influence on the physical body. Once human beings are subjected to so much violence , all that you will see is the crudest form of baseness. Neither the state nor individuals should encourage any form of violence and the first step  in this is for all nation states to abolish death penalty. Stay blessed.[/quote]Appreciated.

But could not disagree more and could not articulate my belief as well as you have. But simply put, I believe in crime and punishment and justice meted out accordingly. And as a christian living by the bible, see no case against it but infact just the opposite.

Joagbaje:
You are right

Psalms 34:2
2 My soul shall make her boast in the Lord: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.


It is not a sin for a man to boast ,so long as it is within his jurisdiction. If he make boast of the Work of God .  What is wrong is making boast in someone else testimony without working yours out

1 Corinthians 3:21
21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;


Paul had his own boast.

2 Corinthians 10:14-15
14 We are not going too far in our boasting, as would be the case if we had not come to you, for we did get as far as you with the gospel of Christ. 15 Neither do we go beyond our limits by boasting of work done by others. Our hope is that, as your faith continues to grow, our area of activity among you will greatly expand,

Jesus had his own boastings

John 3:35
35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

John 16:15
15 All things that the Father hath are mine:

There is boasting in the Lord - where the glory goes to God

And then there is boasting in yourself - where the glory goes to yourself

Judge for yourself, is a man standing on a stage in a luxurious hotel dressed in expensive clothes, declaring the billions in his bank account - glorifying to God?

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Please Joagbaje, do not compare the humble words of our Lord Jesus speaking on the incomprehensible greatness of the Father, or Paul showing off the good works of conversion and subsequent fruit in the church - with the despicable utterances of a foolish man talking about how much money he has in his bank account. PLEASE DO NOT. I mean do you not see the great difference between the two?

Image123:
My sister, ow're you doing now? me agree with you ga'an.

Snr brother, I dey oh. We thank God for undeserved mercies. You hagree wit me? lol, then why the tussling on this thread now? Abi na me self no read am well well . . . make I rewind . . .

lagerwhenindoubt:
JeSoul Do not Touch (My) anointed.

I go touch am. Wetin you go do?  
 

I have listened to Pastor Paul back in my early days as a hustler and I am proud to say his Motivational speeches preaching really got me gingered-up to knuckle-down and get on with Life. I think he is being honest when he says he is a motivational speaker, most Men Of God are not that honest?

Being a motivational speaker is certainly not incompatible with being a pastor, and being filthy rich is def not a sin or crime. What is incompatible and thoroughly despicable here is the arrogance, pride, ego, boastfulness, greed and love for money these men reek off . . . it would be better if they did not name the name of Christ thereby bringing shame to His name whilst perpetrating all these nonsense.

shadrach77:
“I am a billionaire and there is nothing anybody can do about it,” Pastor Adefarasin boasted yesterday as he preached in an N8.5 million a day auditorium at the Eko Hotel and Suites in Victoria Island, Lagos, Southwest Nigeria.
“I have coached many billionaires and you know, the pastor of billionaires is a billionaire,” Adefarasin who was not included among the five richest pastors in Nigeria by a blogger with Forbes, the influential American magazine that keeps a tab on the world’s rich.

Awww . . . somebody's feewings were hothurt by being left off the list of crookedest richest pasitoros. Eya, nor vex ehn.

Abeg another blogger should come out with an updated list . . . and please make sure not leave off this billilolonaire, we wouldn't anyone anywhere mistaking him for humble & modest man.

medjai:
Abeg, what's Murray doing on the poll?

Chai! lol

^Image, snr brother, mehn, na you sabi oh.

As of this morning I checked my wine rack to see if it needed re-stocking . . . I'm still good for at least another 4 days

I re-quote the verse you used to end your last post: "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost."

If wine does not work for you and you choose - out of faith - to abstain from it, then blessings be upon you. We must not look down upon those whose faith allows them to partake of it. I personally do not think that 'wine' in the scripture is a general term for drinks but hey . . . your believing so is by no means a disqualifier - as long as no one is trying to impose their own personal belief/interpretation as law or truth for the entire body. Cheers! *pun intended*

MyJoe:

JeSoul the sharpshooter!

nuclearboy:
@Jesoul:

Many respects, Ma'am. I just thought to bow in fear and respect - a semi/automatic pistol in the hands of an angry woman is 

vescucci:
I guess it would be awkward (even though he'll be dead) for a criminal to tell JeSoul, 'I need this your speech like I need a hole in the head'

Lol. You fellas are funny lol.

Me I no send anybody oh. Just come and find my trouble . . . try breaking into my house or hurting a member of my family . . . you go chop correct lead. The only problem I have with the death penalty is that it is not quick and swift enough.

nuclearboy:
I think the Apostle was speaking to his and God's definition of the word "Christians"! That word "Christian" is the problem as it is a much abused and misapplied title.

As used by Paul, a Christian cannot be found in any of the situations you have used as an example. Fornicators (talk less of rapists) would not have been considered Christians in his day or by him. Swindlers, manipulators, craddle-robbers etc also would not be considered Christians at that time. That I believe, was the extent of purity of the Church that Christ left behind. Ananias and Sapphira remain a case in point showing how pure God wanted His Church to be.

With that in mind, the manner of "matter against each other" that Christians would have had in those days, would be such as disagreements likely based on misconceptions and/or inadequate knowledge of the situation. Sitting down amongst other Christians then would have clarified issues and restored love.

TODAY however, Pastors are thieves, serial liars and swindlers, murderers and criminals. To all intents and purposes therefore, the definition has changed and we see how people tell us blatantly that Ananias and Sapphira are the real Christians because they profess and "at least, they are doing something" as we see bandied on NairaLand so often. Shebi Ananias at least gave half abi (and advertised it) while you kept quiet (having followed the injunction of secrecy)?

I have always seen the Bible (and God) as dynamic. "With the Pure, I will show Myself Pure and with the Perverse, I will show Myself Perverse" is what the Word says.

IF THEY CAN GO OUTSIDE THE PURVEY OF CHRISTIANITY, THE VICTIM HAS EQUAL RIGHT TO GO TO SECULAR LAW.

On point!

FOD, good to see you back doing your 'job' well

Ah! A reason to watch women's tennis again. Welcome back William's sisters. I hope you can go deep into the tournament and give us entertaining matches.

^I didn't leave anything out jor. You may want to read your own post again - this time in its entirety and see the message you're passing across. The gop had absolutely nothing to do with Weiner's departure and using catch-words like 'targeted' and 'finger in it' insinuates that his exit was part of some grand scheme by those evil republicans 'targeting' liberal politicians. As if the whole of congress is not one giant mudpit full of predators going after each other.

If you had no intent to implicate the gop even on a minute level, you could've simply said "weiner resigns due to his own stupidity" - just like every other poster before you had done.

But anyways, as you go home tonight, remember when the traffic light changes from green to red before you can go, don't forget its those evil republicans at work again .

obinna5000:
@JeSoul
The posts have been deleted. They were others apart from those you saw yesterday. Not suitable for reading.

Let's just start something already.

lol, really? Guess I missed the marketwomen fireworks. So two of you with your gentle aura have mouth like that?

SemiD chill & just wave it off now Life is too short for drama jor. I apologize to you sincerely on behalf of Obinna, and Obinna I apologize to you sincerely on behalf of SemiD. Oya move on jor.

There are crimes we commit against each other and there are crimes we commit against the laws of the land - and sometimes these two intersect. I think each situation is different and should be approached as such.

If a 'member' of the church despoils a child, not only will I call the police, press and anyone else who will listen on him, I might be tempted to unload my 9mm on him as well. I have dealt with a christian producer one time who took my money and never delivered the services. I simply let it go and warned others not to do business with him. If the amount of money were larger, I would've probably tried to get it back one way or another.

There are various levels/degrees of crimes - and subsequently levels/degrees of response - and hence levels of punishment.

[quote author=pres-elect link=topic=686004.msg8534224#msg8534224 date=1308277750]now they are hammering targeted democratic "hitmen". Weiner was one congressman I love to watch on the floor of the house. He's out. (obviously due to his stupidity, but I see a bigger picture. This is the finger of GOP)[/quote]What in the world are you talking about?

Did the republicans put him under mind control and trick him into taking multiple unclothed pictures of himself and his stick? Have you seen those pictures? Do you see what a shame & disgrace they are? Did the republicans make him post them on twitter? did the republicans make him send those unclothed and lewd pictures to countless women? including one a teenage girl?

Just like conspiracy theorists who blame the west for everything, you always find a way to blame republicans for everything. The next time you blow a tire, or burn your fried rice, or stumble on an exam, or anything else, just blame the republicans - that seems to be just about the only card you know how to play . . . so go 'head - just blame the republicans.

armyofone:
yeah, so happy she didn't come stand by him as he dropped his career. i like her style unlike others who will come stand by them (like i was there when your weenie was scratching you). did you see his eyes when he was coming in for the announcement? looked ashamed, served him right. wish nigeria will do same and stop glorifying rambling randy men phocking around *hiss*

ROTFLOL . . . and then some more ROTFLOL  oh dear, thank you for the great laugh this morning sister

Araboy:
I laugh today when he mentioned that he owes a debt to his parents for instilling morality into him  what morality?
does he mean cheating? sextexting women ? lying to the public friends family wife media and colleagues?
The guy is a joke saying he is for middle class when he really cares about is himself so no one will miss him here
his wife Huma Abidin is not Arabian she is Indian

Don't mind them jare. That's the story they all say whenever they're caught in such situations "I was raised better" "My family this, my family that" *hiss* and he's receiving 'therapy' and 'treatment' for his 'condition' . . . I wonder, is there treatment for being a liar? cheat? shameless man?

^ah, you wanna do your favorite movie again Spikey?

justwise:
My brother in-law was just like u when he visited here, he complained about almost everything, roads not big enough, our rooms not big enough, he wants bigger burger, we don't drive bigger cars, i was like. . .oh well. . what do i expect from somebody coming from a country that gave us Sarah Palin and Donald Trump

Lol. Don't mind us yanks jare . . . we like everything super-sized. Which is why our obesity rate is also super-sized leading the world in the amount of fat people . . . be you guys aren't too far behind us sha

[quote author=nrd_geek link=topic=690803.msg8536853#msg8536853 date=1308317000]While the Scottish accent may be one of the most 'unsexiest' around, it happens to sound quite funny (that if you understand what they are saying). I bet they'll make good comics [/quote]That one I second. That accent is only good for one thing - to be laughed at

Which insults? Did I miss the fireworks? Abi was it those small yabbis from yday? that was just all child's play . . . Obinna and SemiD are too much of gentlemen to be fighting like marketwomen

Abeg someone should volunteer and pick a movie before I lose my review-spirit again . . .

justwise:
calm down calm down!!!! which one be wrong side of the run now? , typical Americans they can't cope without their system, you would have got used to things if u had stayed a little bit longer in London

you berra believe it . . . chanting *U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! . . . * lol.

Nah seriously, you guys drive on the wrong side of the road, it really threw me off. At least you guys had the foresight to write by many crosswalks "look left" or "look right" for poor tourists like me (here's a snapshot I took). Stayed longer? I don't think I can ever get used to those tight roads with reversed driving lol.

justwise:
, Americans speak through the nose , London is a multi-cultural city,the waiter in that restaurant could be Asian or Eastern European, some barely speak a word of English. Americans actually love British accent

Na lie! He was a full fledged brit, inside out, top down, complete with all the stereotypical facial/body features of una. Oga, na una they talk thru nose pass anybody else on the planet . American accent is easy to understand now, which american movie have you ever watched that you didn't understand? And don't even get me started on you folks driving on the wrong side of the road  . . . that was just about the freakiest thing I had ever seen  crossing the street almost became an olympic event as everything was opposite and required brain activity lol. Una self, too much drama 

justwise:
Yes u are biased . . kidding, yea some London accent could be tricky especially the Cockney Accent, u really have to listen long and hard b4 you could pick up, Liverpool/Everton accent is another hard one, listen to Steven Gerard or wayne rooney speak, u hardly understand some of the things they say.

Lol. My guy that one is beyond listening hard oh lol. We were ordering lunch in this restaurant in the famed oxford st area, we must've asked the waiter the repeat at least 4 times. We gave up and just nodded to anything he asked after that. Gosh. If you ask me, it was definitely easier negotiating taxi rates in the middle of ancient Corinth in greece you darn brits! open your mouths and pronounce when you talk now lol

^Lol. Dude concentrate on your boss/co-workers and stop playing with your phone

I haven't seen Thor.

[quote author=Omo_Tier1 link=topic=690803.msg8522781#msg8522781 date=1308136629]@scotish accent

well, the worst of all UK accents! Very funny and weird! Need to hear those OAP talking, oh boy, you think they are speaking another language.

me likes the bristolian accent! West country accent is the best of them all, while London is very dry and local.

oi! chappy! you got mee cuppa hot with mee toastee? [/quote]LOL . . . I visited London for the first time last yr. It came after a few weeks in non-speaking english countries so I was happy to finally be able to communicate with people . . . good Lawd!!! I could barely understand most of the accents we came across. Maybe I'm biased, but I think the american accent is the easiest to understand . . . uhmm except for those with the southern twang

The scottish accent has got to be one of the most 'un-sexiest' accents ever in the history of mankind. Yuck! I'll take a chinese or japanese accent long before a scottish one.

v3:
Yes I've seen Thor. .good too but the romance part wasn't necessary.

Nothing like a good movie ruined by irrelevant 'romance'. lol. Ditto Superman.

obinna5000:
@JeSoul, WackyJ1, semid4lyfe and v3
X-Men: First Class was good. I liked it more than Thor.

As for this abandoned topic, it's quite obvious people have lost interest.

So, if we are ready, lets review a movie. It has to be a movie we are sure majority of people here has seen and not a film that just came out yesterday or last week.

We should also learn to respect people's opinions regarding films. Everyone has a different taste when it comes to films.

If you like call my points senseless or s.tupid, I don't give a damn.

Ahn ahn . . . na who vex you Obinna? lol.

Oya you pick a movie . . . hopefully all 4 of us have seen it lol.

v3:
@JS
X-men - Economoy Class is good. .gets a 7/10 from me.

Hehe 'economy class' lol. 7/10. Not bad. Hope its not one of those cheesy, young-children, super-hero type of movie. Have you seen Thor?

v3:
Haven't seen JK in eons. Vesc stops by once in a while. .Semid is still active and Obi. .loyal i guess

JK has always been spotty. Yeye President. Vesc is playing with us, he's probably reading this right now and chuckling to himself. SemiD can always be found in the sports section I guess lol. And Obinna (hollywood inside man) I KNOW must be around somewhere here.

So what movies have you seen lately? Its been a long time since I saw any new films, I've been slacking big time.

WackyJ1:
X-Men First Class

Is it good? I've heard some mixed reviews.

Oh my Tonye, see fine boi you have there. Is his father even half as fine as him? abi its his mother's looks that he took? Mehn so many congratulations to you again. May he grow in favor and bring a Nobel prize to the Tonye family. Amen oh.

Dare2think, my dear I haven't watched it yet oh. I promise when I do, I will find you. And oh btw, I have meant to mention to you I love your coolhead on some recent hot topics in the section. Great job!

InesQor:
@JeSoul: On the contrary I'm not mad at you. I was just wondering. . . Lol. Call you shortly, maybe today, then (No promises )

Great! Cos you're not allowed to be mad at me 

@JeSoul: We'd like to see your own baby's pic soon too if Oga consents. . . #noPunIntended

Lol. I will be getting a nephew IL/godson in about a week or so . . . can I show off that one for now?

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=686094.msg8524715#msg8524715 date=1308154340]In 3 words i say: "everyone likes Joagbaje"! [/quote]+1000 X 1000

J-babe i dey o. . .and Junior is doing gr8. . .infact during dinner lastnitty i thought i heard him say "dada" like God knows i was so happy, but madam killed my anticipations when she said he isnt up to the age of talking and am like isnt 2months enough age to hear my baby call me "dada"?  whether dada or daddy. . .i simply cant wait! 

Ooohhh that is just adorable! May God's favor never depart from your household. When we your family members for here go see pichsures of Jnr now? 

^ah Inesqor so you were vexing for me? lol. I didn't even realize. Nah my dear, not like that at all at all. Its always a pleasure to hear from you my brother - and any unreturned hollas are purely out of my forgetfulness . No vex ehn, we will catch up soon . . .

Zikky, that was this morning  . I no vex anymore lol.

@Kunle & Newmi,
    you're giving us a small glimpse of the battle that has been raging and you both took shots at each other. Well, I know I cannot get you guys to kiss and hold hands . . . but I will keep my promise to Joagbaje and crack down a little harder on personal jabs so please ehn, you fellas should please, reel it in.

Lets have some fun . . .

Guess Lebron was talking about fish when he said " . . . not five, not six . . . " lol
https://www.terezowens.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Miami-Heat-Gone-Fishing.jpg

https://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmpq8cCyI31qaed4go1_500.jpg

Why did they use bigbaby's head as the fish head? lol [img]http://2.bp..com/-8ktT4p-6xsI/TfYnXGGxmdI/AAAAAAAAAGw/oTsWpDhLVqo/s1600/Heat%2BFishin%2527.jpg[/img]

MyJoe:
To be sure, I disagree with Joagbaje on the point that we should always leave judging to God,

Be careful oh! disagreeing with my new best friend can result in deletion of posts

and I agree with Nuclearboy that we should not live with filth. But this is a delicate matter – and when a fly perches on your scrotum, you kill it with caution. Resort to insults, you will cause problems. Leave the matter, there are foreseeable problems.

this is the quote of the year!

Some might insist that what is filth here is subjective (although I personally know what I think of those who use religion to make money) and the only way to persuade the objective baby Christian that you have the grain is to use scripture verses.
For one thing, while heated words maybe inevitable, but we are certainly better off without them. There are other ways to make a point. But I guess it’s our nature, as I see it everyday. The cleaner here makes a blunder. Omo girl wastes no time in telling him what a clueless dolt he is. It comes to my attention and I ask her if her objective was simply to shame him or help him avoid the mistake in future. Besides, it is one thing to call someone a hypocrite in a conversation, but another thing to open thread after thread just to highlight it. That is probably what he finds disconcerting and it’s called bullying. (Not that I have any illusions there is much mods can realistically do about that sort of thing, just trying to clarify things and put them in perspective. I think he is going to have to devise his own means of handling things.)
It’s not when you are the victim. Seen the British horror movie, "The Tormented"? Doesn’t capture my point but gives an idea.

Thank you very much for your usually balanced opinion MyJoe. I have noted your points and will keep them in mind as we proceed forward. Really, thanks!