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WhiZTiM: Oga kambo,
please share with me that stick you just smoked cause I haven't gotten this high in a long time!
...this is ridiculous...

...ohkkay, on a more serious note,
who should retire them?
we should abandon these GREAT languages(C++, C# and Java) and adopt which??

first w/o insults,the avrage nigerian prgrammer doesnt know enuff , even after 10yrs of programmg to be able to tell wat is or is not a great programmg language.
Y because, his choices are funneled withn a preset range by bigger xternal frces.
U call c#,java,c++ great. No doubt but if u want suggested languages to investgte and u go to an i.t skul,or d mrket,or ths forum they'll point u to d poplar choice?
I cud recommend som but i'll hav to establish a qualifyg criteria frst wch may not fit wt u.
Just stp to thnk- in 9ja, many ppl buy bb, so more sellers sell bb, therefre d avrage phone buyer thnks bb, and non-bb owners feel inadequate and seek 2 conform to bb, and bb owners feel mor confdnt to tlk dwn to non bb users etc. In essence d nxt buyer of a bb isnt really mkg a deliberate decision or buyg based on prdct merits.

@op
Java how to program was d second book i got strtd on.
And i remember sweatg over some of their exercises ...
because i tot i had to get solve thm to b proficient in java.
Wat i did was stop tryg to solve pre packaged book exercises.i invented my own exercises and
projects and wrked on them.
My own projects were, more interestg more relevant and more demandg to me thn som contrived exercise.
I've operated tht way and it's been so so much fun.
I'll encourage u to try tht path- d way of original thnkg.

accordg to d techncal law of programmg language entropy, a great , as in alexander d great industry shiftg , paradigmic , language comes out every 5 years . C was born in d age of forth, fortran , b, but it soon eclipsed those to bcome d next big thng (DNBT).
But veterans were slow to catch on.
To gain respect, c, had to b d language used in codg a significant application:a killer app.
This c did,it presented to d wrld the unix os.
C had earned its respect.
And hackers began flockg to it.
Next came c++ around d early 80s, a massive improvement over c. For large apps c++ was d goto language because it was less messy thn c while being equally fast.
C++ has been around 4 over 2 decades. It is credited 4 injectg d fear of programmg into many noobs.
Then,like a blast frm nowhere, java hit d tech wrld in its blindspot in d mid 90s. Approx 10 yrs after c++,
java rode d internet wave like a speed demon on horseback and and upset so many tables of thng-tearg thru programmg tradtions like a heartless tornado.
Java was like c++ with a kempt look,so many ppl who feared c++ cud relate with it..
Java was d darlg of d opera but she soon got fat, spawned many personalities (j2me,java ee, java card ) and bit off too much.
Microsoft,d populariser of c++, came out wth an evil twin to edge java out, c#..
Perl,python,ruby came for d sever side jugular, leavg java lumberg wth lil sever markt share.
But by d law of prog language decay, java and c# and c++ are has beens and are due for repatration to d junk yard of prgrammg history like old ww2 bombers.
Sure artifcts frm ths tools can still b maintained , much like buildgs erected decades ago are still primped up, bt in d hindsight of histry it isnt wise 4 newcomers to learn programmg usg decade old langs.
And i.t skuls shud begin phasg out ths langs frm their currclum.
Else theyll b makg students inest themselves in a sinkg ship..
Academia has provided faster sleeker theoretcally and philosophcally mor advanced languages but theyre adoption is slow cuz they lack d deep pockets to even keep them on the technical market shelves d way microsoft and oracle can continue shovg their past-the-expiry date soups in our face.
And employers are to defensive , wth their if-it-aint-broke-y-fix-it I.T strategy.
Newbies interested in programmg shud begin researchg new languages on d horizons not just jvm hoppers. But really innovatve stuff , and makg a staple of d historc and d new bleedg edge stuff for their learng investigation else they'll repeat d mistake old wrld fortran and cobol programmers mde in their day: fallg in luv with their hand saws thnkg thngs will always b tht way.
For ones career sake, it is pertinent tht one look, beynd popular tools to explorg prospectve new offerings..

frosbel: thanks for rehashing the institutionalised church's positon , but sorry to disappoint you , the bible refutes your erroneous stance on this matter.

u've never seen a verse in d bible indcte man is a spirit?
Thts kndergtn knowledge.
Let d word speak 4 itself- if ur jehovah witness or some pseudo-chrstian cult our views will of necessity diverge. We dnt even use d same bible.

frosbel: ^^^

Thanks for your response.

The lake of fire is not for eternal torment but for eternal destruction, read 2 Peter 3:7. It is no small matter to stand before Jesus Christ and then to be judged and hear the words 'depart from me into everlasting fire '. To know that one will be punished and destroyed with no hope of redemption or salvation , especially knowing that there was ample opportunity to lay hold of eternal life , will be very horrible to contemplate.

Let me ask you a question, can God punish the wicked for their crimes with ten times worse tortures than these wretches imposed on their victims, not for a short period but for eternity ? What does that make God out to be ? Torturing sinners for their wicked and evil ways with endless agony and suffering, be honest , does this not sound more like a malignment of God's character from the father of all lies ?

God has no purpose to keep an everlasting Auswitch , he will simply rid this world of all evil and make it new again.

scriptures contradct u seriously.
Ur opinions ar irrelevant, support ur stance wth scriptures and Keep it in context (Rightly divide d word of Truth)

@frosbel

wats ur religious affiliation?
Cuz u seem ignorant abt wat d bible says?
Man is a spirit.
Dead go to heaven or hell-prior 2 judgement day. No temporary spot or soul sleep.

thehomer: Is God really the first cause of the cosmos? Are you sure there isn't a natural explanation?

Seun didn't cause Nairaland out of a vacuum, he created it using machines that were already available, tools that were already available but what did God cause the cosmos out of?

His spoken Living wrd.
Hebrews 11 v 3.
"...what is seen is made out of what is not seen..".

Suen created NL usg pre made tools. Made by other men etc.
God used tools created by other Beings? Analogy breaks dwn here!

mekaboy: Bros, na you write this thing so? Lol, anyway I don't think it has anything to do with naija women, most people in the western world don't last in the union.

I think naija women are more enduring, but this generation that get there ideas on marriage from movies, series , magazines and western celebrities, will soon start to follow the final destination which is divorce.

Anyway your explanation was cool at first, but when you got into the soul travel, it became scary, and sounded like marriage was an occult practice.

I was being lyrical. soul travel or occultic stuff never intended..
"journey into the soul of anoda person" = knowg somebody more as u interct with them ,their emotional habits,
personality, interests etc... not occult stuff.

@billonaire

thnk God uve experienced out of body xperience so no one can tell u life is only materialistc.
But u make d mistake atheists make,wch is, thnkg ur mind can adjudge all possibilities.
Man is still learng. Thts like thnkg a brilliant secondary maths student knows all tht is mathematically possible!
You adjudge th virgin birth, talkg snake, partg of d red sea, impossible because ur considerg thm frm ur reasong capacity.
But frm d capacity of a much advanced being ths are possible.
Thts wat a mor intelligent scientst will tell noobs to simply accept as fact a proven scientifc theory without tryg 2 reason it out frst. Y cuz a brilliant phd physcs student may never in his lifetime independently derive einstein's theory of relativity?
And if he eventually cud, it cud take a looooooooong time, and at d end not change a thng. Provg a truth doesnt make it more true.
Wsdom wud dictate rather tht d student take,the truth e.g d theorem, and begin usg it asap.
God wants u to take d truths in d new covenant and strt usg thm.
Theyre not foolish,just beyond d realm of logc.
The bible says the natural man cannot understand d thngs of God.
You were ordained , gud, but most church ceremonies without biblical backg are empty rituals.
I leave u wth d reminder dat Jesus said xcept u accept the kingdom of God with d innocence of a small child, u cant enter into it.
On d hell bit, tht question can b answered , there's a hell thread in ths section read it.
If u ar convinced u want to follow d truth,then,sincerely pray and ask God to lead u the truth about himself.pray seriously and sincerely and continuously and He will answer u.
After tht it will b left 2 u,whether 2 follow him or not.
Peace. I'm Out.

striktlymi: Hallo Emusan,

Nice piece but c'mon man!

Yes, it is true that some things about evolution as posited in some quarters are pure Hogwash but we can't undermine the fact that the theory has it's merits too.

Take a look at the theory again and carefully sieve out the facts, then you might just appreciate what the theory has brought.

a insidious lie mixes elements of truth to create its poison.
Evolution is a wobbly attempt to justify rebellion (breakg away from God).
Without strng reason ppl wnt embrace a cause hence the pseudo science bogus lie called theory of evolution had to invented and sold to those who were rearg to decamp from God but were waitg for jet fuel: ths pathetc watery theory.

my responses were not to ur Op. I said tcklg tht wud b tedious. My arguments were to a reply u made , which was to defend ur position. I dealt on the nature of tht reply: wrong assumption, missassignment (you created an entity called God wch is different from d bible entity), wrong meaning created by wrong use of words ("no reason to believe..", "supersede". With this contraption of urs u went ahead to marshall ur points! .
It is ths invented device of urs wch in no way represents any partcular theists model,tht u want to draw a conclusion with. Sorry bros,
it doesnt wrk tht way.
Thts like sewg cloths fr a person with d wrng body measurements.
Correct model b4 advancing further arguments.

Kay 17: Most of what you are saying are distractions. Your post isn't so coherent, I can hardly sieve out a position. Who said anything about Christian God??

distractions. Incoherent. Christian God.
How will u understand wen u hav a trck record of producg disjointed ramblgs.
Distractions frm wat?
Incoherent in wat sense - u mis assign wrng proerties to an entity
(mistake attributes and functionality) , build an argument on a distorted premise then crown it up by tryg to refute a non existent religious belief.

"who said anythg about a christian God"
u were talkg about a muslim God?
Or a pagan God?
Or non religious God?
Or u xpct theists responders to reply ur post without recoursg to
their belief systems- yet u consult
ur belief system: evolution, science etc.
Is there any scientifc recognition of a spiritual realm?
Anyway, were general enuff to be understandable in d broadest possible sense cuz it adopted a general theistic viewpoint. Though d perspectve is biblical.

is pat a pastor? Of whch church?

mekaboy: not at the moment, I still have my space now and then. But the forever after is the issue.

ur talkg frm one perspctve.
U may like it better after u xperience d other perspctve.
U get used to seeing anoda on ur bed 4 years.
Wakg up nd prayg togethr.
Bouncg ideas off anoda
se.x on demand
sleepg in each others arms....
Hearg d other snooze off.
The body language dats hints on an emotion
gettg past d walls of fakeness evrybody puts up,even in long precourtship, to actually knowg d person bhnd d mask
etc
its a journey into d soul of anoda person , frst comes physcl nu.dity
wch requires signifcnt honesty and surrenderg,
then emotional,soulical nudity,
then Merging , analogous to sexual coit.us,
then continuity, regular soul trips 2 create bondg, similar 2 gettg a regular sha.g.
Its about 2 ppl bcmg one, and unravellg each other daily like an interestg onion, so no bros. Distance is out of it.
Ur nt suppose 2 grow aprt,or stgnate,or get used 2 each other, rather like an chain reaction u gat keep ignitg ...
But most 9ja wmn are Passivity SQUARED. Dull dull dull ...
If u meet 1 of thm , it can b excruciatg tryng to make d union wrk on ur own. Like strikg fire out of wet matches.

nep2ra: There is a very thin line between a warning and a threat.

its actually a thick line.
An effctve threat requires an element of power by the threatener to produce upon d threatened an unwanted consequence.
A warng is about notifyg an unwise party about possible future undesirable events for d warned to avoid.
If cant decipher d difference ur deliberately being blind.
Warning:
father 2 child. Dont play wt match sticks u'll burn ur hands.

Mother 2 daughter:
dont play wt boys u'll get pregnant.

D intention of d warners in d abve is dat d warned will avoid wrong actions and spare themselves unpleasant consequences.
If d warned flaunt d warngs they hav themselvs to blame.
Or will u say dat wen a girl is pregnant, the mom threatnd her with it?

Threat:
if u get pregnant i'll evict u.
Landlord:
if u play loud music i'll evct u.
Wth a threat the threatener possess power and can cause discomfrt to d threatened.

So for a christian 2 threatn u , he must possess power to hurt u. Wch isnt d case.

nep2ra: Maybe you don't. I have met many on this forum and outside this forum that do exactly just that.

see previous post.
There is anoda side to d threat thng wch cud giv u a point.
Tht is where d threatener has gleeful and malicious intent.. And
though not havg direct power to brng abt harm, has access to a higher authority who can cause ths.
E.g a mother may not beat her teenage son but threaten to report him to his father who'll do d thrashg.
Tht is threateng. Do christians do this, some, pastors threaten members, fathers threaten children with ephesians 6 .etc
but u have to b discerng to know when a party is threateng or wrng.
A sincere warng (pls dont go to hell) can b misinterpreted as a threat.
In d hell issue, if a christian isnt concerned abt u and wants u to burn in hell,all hr has to do is with hold d gospel frm u,and u'll die and go there.
Will u call silence a threat?

nep2ra: You err greatly when you say this. 'Christians' were not commanded to "go make disciples of all nations". Jesus was exclusively speaking to the eleven disciples. Once again, you are taking a Bible passage out of context and applying it generally. Most Christians are guilty of this.

"Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit..." Matthew 28:16-19 NIV

yeah right. A brain is needed here.
And the epistles of paul to the ephesians,corinthians,romans,galatians,hebrews were only applicable to those christians in paul's day right?
Paul evangelized much of d then known wrld yet he wasnt among d "eleven" who were commanded "only" to spread d gospel.
This argument is too poor to deserve further attention.

nep2ra: Actually I'm NOT comfortable with corporations bombarding me with adverts. I see it as constituting a nuisance and an unwelcome intrusion into my privacy. As a matter of fact, I have Adblock installed on Google Chrome to block such annoying adverts.



The same way I find unwanted adverts annoying is the same way I detest any religion screaming my ears down telling me to follow its path or face damnation. I'm glad you realize Christianity is one amongst so many other religions.

gud for u. Uve made ur choice and u know d consequences.
Much like one shud know wat d consequences of excessve alcohol consumption cud b (liver cirrhosis) bring.
Know d consequences and make ur choice..
Sin cant enter heaven.
No Jesus,no heaven.he is d way to eternal life.
Ur own goodness dnt cut it with God.
If u die in ur sins or without Jesus ,theres no heaven for u,if u dnt go to heaven u go to hell,no middle place.
Heaven/hell are eternal.forever.

Those are d consequences. U CHOOSE. After u make ur choice dnt blame anybody for d consequences.

Then, acceptg Jesus is free. easy.inexpensive. Quick.
Believe he is God,accept he died fr u,ask him to frgve u of ur sins, cleanse of sin and come int ur life.
Then make conscious effrt to live for him.
etc infrmation abt d process is rife.

Kay 17: ^^^

@kambo, we appreciate your difference btw attribute and function, however how does it affect my argument?

in many ways. Ur argument is distortive of d facts upon whch christianity rests.

This is d post i responded to:

Kay 17: But laws are all non physical (information in the least). Also I linked God to his primary function as a Cause [/b]which ought to make his existence totally necessary.

However there isn't
[b]
sufficient reason to have a supernatural cause SUPERCEDE a natural cause.

EDITED

IF God's primary function is a cause. Then he of necessity at some point in His existence in accordance with his primary bhvr (function) must CAUSE anoda entity to come into being. E.g
Create d universe.
This is nowhere supported in d Bible. So it makes no sense,biblically.
This is an assumption u came up wt and use as a supplied premise frm christianity, to build ur argument with.
GOD created d wrld not as a functional consequence, but as a volitional consequence. Meang, he dd it arbitrarily. He very could hav chosen not to and still b God.
A heart, cannot b functiong(alive) and not pump blood.
A hand cannot b functiong(alive) and not grasp,punch,feel.
But God can b functiong (alive) and not create anythg!


The second bolded was anoda messy argument soup.
Lets ignore the semantics of d wrng wrd u used like Reason "sufficient reason".
U meant sufficient facts/evidence.
Reason is out of d question.
But christianity blves tht d supernatural (spirit wrld) created d physcl wrld with God being the agent in d spiritual wrld causg the physcal one to materialise.

D wrd supersede alters ths premise.
If we ignore dat wrd we go back to the age old debate , evolution vs Creation.

Either way, i was drawg attntion to the errors in ur response not ur initial posting. I told u earlier tht critiquing tht post wud b too exactg ... See ths simple crap u wrte takg up so much response time.
Organise properly ur tots b4 u shoot.

nep2ra: We have similar belief patterns I must admit. Just like you, I do not follow any organized religion or think the "Islam 'Allah'" or the "Christian (*coughs* Jewish) 'God'" are the same thing. I believe a Supernatural, Supreme Being (or Beings) created the Universe. I also believe in other extra sensory phenomena even though I haven't experienced the gamut. Your claims seem to have more validity because you have "experienced" these things. Whether people believe you or not is left open to debate.

That said, I respect Logicboy's stance on atheism. I do not condemn him for his non-belief in a Supernatural, Supreme Being. He is entitled to believe whatsoever just like other people are entitled to believe the Earth is flat and rests on the back of four elephants which stand on the back of Great A'tuin, the Giant Turtle, who slowly moves through outer space into the deeper void. Maybe someday Logicboy may experience something different to his current belief. Until then, he deserves respect.

What annoys me is how Christians try to force their belief down everyone's throat and think their way is the only way. The way they threaten you with hell fire and brimstone if you choose not to believe them is what i find utterly disgusting. They forget before their fairly recent religion came into the scene, thousands of far more sophisticated religions existed before theirs.

no christian threatens u with hell fire.
Christians believe, there is a hell, and warn abt it.
Does warng a patient abt AIDS and HIV constitute a threat?
Dyu know wat d diffrence btw a threat and a warng is?
Christians dnt frce their beliefs dwn ur throat.
They obey d bible command to "go and make disciples of all nations".
There is no force on any1 to bcome a christian. Its accept Jesus christ or not. Wat element of frce is there?
Ure comfrtable wth corporations bombardg u wth products ads, mayb constitutg a nuisance, but u nver interprete such bhvrs as FORCE.
But wen d same practce is applied in religion u call it Force!

Logicboy03: I dont even know when to start with this silliness.

Did an atheist butthurt you so much that you hate it even when an atheist is trying to support you?

I am saying that it is difficult ofr atheists to codify ethics or morlaity and it always a good thing for a christian-atheists debate....

You are here spouting nonsense out of hate

ur spoutg bunkum.
How dyu objectively codify d formless principles of morality ?
"difficult thng to debate about"
(paraphrase).
So? Its an experiential and provable objective entity all debaters are aware of and for tht reason can b summoned into debate to buttress a point.
Its knottiness to logical dissection,
doesnt disqualify it.
It's not at all as subjectve as the questions without biblical support christians hav to field frm u guys.
"atheists supportg you"?


"spoutg nonsense out of hate".
Hate who? U/atheists?
Mayb ur new to ths. Ure nothg but a faceless moniker so am i. Make ur point and go home...
Its foolish to hate, wen God will not even sanction tht in a christian. On d other hand its u godless folks tht descend to spewg hate cuz ur philosophy permits it.
Hate wrds follow hate. Wch i dnt gve. Stop misinterpretg directness.

Supportg who? Dnt try to b civil.
It's not your strng point. Infct,
it's not d atheists strng point.
Crassness streaks all of u,like a vein of ore in mountain of precious metal.

Billyonaire: You are NOT to be taken seriously, cos you know nothing about atheism. You are simply calling yourself atheist cos it makes you feel good. When I was atheist, I did so after Astral Traveling to universes beyond the third dimension without evidence and coming to realization that there was no single entity codenamed God there. I thought Astral Plane was the entire spirit world hence God was supposed to be. I was confused, but lots of changed after many encounters and I now can not say there are no beings beyond material universe.

We live in a parallel universe, sharing cosmos with beings we can not see but are here with us on a different wavelength and frequency, this makes being atheist, foolishness of a certain degree. I felt ashamed of being atheist for a decade, but I felt better knowing I had to go through that stage to become 'knowledgeable' about Concepts of the Universe. And there are many more things that I know that scientist will only know in future, one of which is; That we, as specie, once lived in Mars, and we destroyed Mars and some of us teleported down here while the others with low brainwaves have to be born here. Energy we are, energy is all. Study energy, and you will understand what God means NOT what it is.

u left one delusion (atheism) for anoda delusion en route to lake fayaro (hell fire's big broda). Guy repent of all these nonsense u've put urself into. Jesus is d answer..
Not all these junk satan is feedg u with.
If u need more info, send me a private mssge.
Peace. Ur soul is precious.

thehomer: Doesn't the heart cause the blood to circulate round the body?

go bck and read k17s reply tht made post ths.
Function and attributes are 2 different thngs . He is ascribing a function (wat God can do) to an attribute (who God is).
Attribute precedes functions.
His argument error ,wrong assignment, is subtle and flawed and injects meangs not there .. "God's primary function is to cause...". Halt it here.
U hav a hand with 5 fingers (attribute) but their function isnt to hold thngs. It transcends tht.
Your fingers feel surfaces, serve as primitive weapons, are balancing tools (fall breakg,exercise etc). But this is all possible cuz of they way d hand is designed (its attributes).

thehomer: I couldn't make any sense of this response. Can you try to be a bit clearer about what you're saying here?

either the poster made a mistake , using d wrd suprsede, or he was deliberate. If he was deliberate his argument bcomes meangless.
because wen somethg supercedes anoda, only one of the two objects bcome effectve. The superceded item bcomes redundant or nonexistent. E.g wen an announcement supersedes a previous one, you dnt hav 2 effectve announcements , one bcomes old news and not bindg anymore.
The bible doesnt talk anywhere of supersessions . But co existence.
If, he made a mistake and wasnt deliberate thn its anoda cuppa tea.
Point, his choice of wrds created a different meangs and unsupported assumptions.

thehomer: God invented the sense of family? Yet it didn't occur to him to create a family rather than having Adam alone roam the garden? He didn't realize that Adam didn't have a companion from those animals? You must be joking.

Bring ur brains wt u wen u com on here .
Adam was d pre eminent 1, in God's creation. He was d son of God. The root and terminal of humanity. The Seed tht wud strt d human race, he ddnt need to b couched in a human family (taught,guided,instructed,loved,protected,corrected,reprimanded,cautioned etc). Tht was wat God was there fore afterwards, he and his wife wud hav a family and train thm as God had trained them(adam,eve).

#3.
Codify stances.
Sounds like a weak appeal to not ask super hard questions.
U want to bring som order to d streetfight going on here? Dont hit below d belt? Use teeth gaurds ! Yeah right .. U wish.
Atheists ask questions only d mind of God can answer. Questions with no implied hint in d bible all in d name of scorg cheap points.
Mayb ur camp shd b honest and throw in d towel wen it gets 2 hard. Mathematicians do it all d time! And theyre as logical as can b.
Mayb both sides shd begin practcg shameless honesty.
Throw hands up and admit imcompetency wen it gets too hard. No codification..
This is a bloody street fght.

respect u say..you especially degenerate into cussg after a while.
Atheists here dnt know respct..
U and ur ilks shud tender a public apology for d new proposals 2 b takn seriously.
2.) argue logically : u mean set aside d bible and use REASONG only?
Sorri dude. A psychiatrist cannot detect a "lost soul".
God's sure word of prophecy is of a higher authority dan human logic.
Moreover, most christians, aint skilled in logcl debatg, they believe d bible and tht settles it.
They get weary of d drudgery of anoda atheists debate.
Esp since most debates are useless fightgs in d long run.
Theyr not called sheep for nothg.
A gud sheep is suppose to eat grass (feed on d word) , rest , and follow d Gud shepherd. Not lock horns wth an atheist goat all d time...
A debative nature is discouraged in scripture.

(d sheep analogy is subject to some qualifcations . Theyr verses in scripture commandg d christian to arm himself to answer for his beliefs. Paul was a skilled philosopher.but wanton debatg is condemned)

Kay 17: But laws are all non physical (information in the least). Also I linked God to his primary function as a Cause which ought to make his existence totally necessary.

However there isn't sufficient reason to have a supernatural cause supercede a natural cause.

EDITED

lets b a lil exact here. "primary FUNCTION as a cause" - wrong.
Function means bhvr e.g the primary function of ur hart is to pump blood . But d attributes of a hart aint pumping blood.
The attributes of a hart equips it to perform its "primary function"


"there isnt sufficien reason to have a supernatural cause supercede a natural cause.."

bogus.
Wat dyu mean by supersede?
A thng supersedg anoda thng only if dat other thng exsts, then
d superseding thng bcomes a replacement.
If a supernatural cause supersedes a natural cause then theyl b only one cause standg-d supernatural cause- and evry1 wud b in d supernatural realm.

Instead of typing so much to point out y ur arg is a misfit. Brevity requires mor economy. I.e just call ur prose crap or nonsense etc..

davido4real: Firstly,according to the scripture is not Good for a child of God,if u read colosian 3vs 2,roman 8 vs 13,mathew 5 vs 28,galatian 5 vs 19.you wil see that is not Good for a child of GOD,if you do it when you suppose not to do it,it is a sin,wait until your wedding day and wait upon the LORD and it shall be well with you, isaiah 40 vs 31.

Secondly,NO way u can date a Girl you wil have sex with her,because it serves as tools for devil,one day the girl wil come and visit u,sitting on ur bed or bench or any other sitting material nd ur mind will be thinking of another things, and remember ur FLESH,before u know anything you will have fall wil the lady(leviticus 17 vs 11) it is better for you to wait for your TIME.

THIRLDLY,behold no christian can avoid temptation,in mathew 4,jesus was tempted,no child of God can avoid it,DATING is one of the seductive tools that devil use to tempted a christian. My friends ,brothers sisters, remember 1peter 5vs9-10. A o ni sise AMEN.

anoda bunch of nonsense by a broda.
Ppl talk as sex is totally uncontrollable.
Do d cloths just com of, den fonction strts? Its a premeditated ,
planned and agreed act.
No woman who has consensual se,x dd by suprise.
And d no sx thng is overhyped- many claim 2 date wout sx but they engaged in pre-intimacy went 99 percnt of d way, substituted c.oitus for bj - ar as wise as street pimps and prostitutes and so on....
A man can dcde of himself 2 exercse self control . No one outside of usg frce can make u hav se,x without ur consent.

ooman: _^_^_total rubbish

aka " i hav nothg constructve to say"

Uyi Iredia: I used to say that to but I now think atheism is best described as a philosophy.

a philosophy is purely a logical perspectve. A religion has a philosophy but much more.
A religion contains a diety/
who is wrshpped.
D diety is consulted in times of adversity and praised in times of vctory ..
A religion advances d principles dat govern daily living.
Atheists wrshp themselves. Their mind is their god..
Its an inverted belief system dat makes man see himself as his own sufficiency.
Atheism adheres to d constitution of REASONG, while other religions go by some book or creed.
Atheism is fueled by human Pride , because theres an appeal at being accountable to no1 for ones actions . A life of unbridled restraint.
Atheism isnt new, infact, if u read d book of Genesis, u'll see atheism there.
But it wasnt a belief in "no God" but rather "a castg of off religious restraints" , a belief tht "I am my own God" - wch atheism is in essence.
Note tht, d slogan on professor dawkins bk promotion was "there's no god u can be free now " (or somtn like dat).

In eden adam / eve were free but restrained frm touchg d tree of knowledge of good n evil.
Satan tempted them with d lie tht they'll b better of if they disobeyed. U know d rest.
D same temptation is dangled today, you'll b better of without religion and God (sounds familiar?)
adam and eve bought d lie cuz it appealled to their pride, zero accountability to no 1, full independence..
It also sold them d promise of empowerment thru knowledge . Enlighteng knowledge "... And ur eyes shall b opened..".
Fstfwd, to modern day atheism,
atheists assume theres a dam of knowledge in d sciences and in their heads wch dey consult in All debates abt God and life affairs. Hence d appeal to reasong ..
The promise of satan in eden was dat man will b God!
See evolution, man is evolvg into higher beings , he in essence is on his way to Godhood : total invincibility . Thru wat means , the (exercise of his Mind .reasong/science).
Its a replay of genesis.

[quote author=Atheist:-D]Some of these people are "quacks" masquerading as so called scientists. They would not need to go on the internet (where any nut can post nonsense unverified). They would publish their research through a more reliable means i.e. their university etc.

There are many scientific theories that have opposition within the field that is substantial. Few theories answer all the questions. The opposition however is reliable, able to express their opposition and usually published too.[/quote]and some of d people contendg are eminent and qualified.
There wud go on d net to publish to a lay public in a simpler language: knowledge is unbound with d internet.
Theyd post dffrntly accordg to d group theyre addressg. Journals nd papers to d academia, and internet , public talks, tv shows to lay men.
Evolution is a theory and not a FACT in scientfc community.
A theory based ultimately on FAITH.

[quote author=Area_boy]They are only found on the internet for a reason.
we also have Onion news on the internet. doesn't make it factual now does it?

If you wana carry out a scientific research, do you use only the internet? mumu[/quote]and laymen read scientifc papers right?
Or
if a "fact" is published on a different medium, the choice of medium, destroys its verity?
Daft thnkg.

islam is not of Yahweh.Jehovah. Thts clear . Its of d devil , satan,lucifer, d God of this wrld, d serpent,the dragon in bk revelations,the one who decieves d wrlds etc.. And satan doesnt know how to play nice. He tries to but thts like a bull tryg to b dainty..eventually he resorts to d age old technik of fear,harrassment,threats,suppression and murder. Shame on him. His destiny is d lake of fire..he's gonna b screamg in there somday