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[quote author=frank3.16]I believe in God, but I don't think he is what religion had made him to be. If he is what religion has made him to be, then he is everying we say he is and everythin we say he is not.

But back to topic, I think the question shuld be, if he is real why are u worked up? U see this question can b turned back to u. If he is real do u have to evangelize, preach in buses etc just to convince people he is real? If he is real everybody will b convinced he is real by a natural self awareness. U don't have to argue with anybody, no body would have doubted his existance.

That being said, I think God is God for God's sake but not for our sake. We are who we are for our own sake, bringing God in our daily life is just a burden we chose to carry, it changes noting.[/quote]actually, d argumnt doesnt go both ways as u say.
U act on ur beliefs not ur unbeliefs.
If u believe a chair can carry ur weight u sit on it. Overtime u dnt even thnk twice b4 actg. But if u believe somtin isnt real, u dnt exert much effrt. E.g if u dnt blve in say a real genie and a magic lamp, tht can do ur biddin,like for aladdin, you'll laff of pple who do as fools. I wud. U'll scoff at tht genie , make mockery of him, hav tonnes of laffs, then get back 2 ur normal life. Soon, d poking will get dreary 4 u- cuz u've got mor important thngs to do. But wen u over-xtend urself, say write books , create videos, I mean spend serious time and effrt , tryg to prove d genie in d bottle doesnt exist! Then somtin seriously is going wrong...

People dnt giv too much tot to inconsequential thngs,talkless of imaginary nonsense such as a real life genie.

If i argue and call u a fool 4 belivg in dat genie, cuss ur stupid genie to ur face.. Dare him to grant me a wish.. I'm off. But if i hav to research, say the asian texts about d genie or even analyse d genies xrcter, to discredit him, then I'm over xtendg myself. And in some ways provg tht this imaginary genie is a BIGGER DEAL thn i'd like 2 admit.
If i buy prime television time, go to a publisher, spend even a year studyg abt the genies text to falsify him i shd b questioned!!

If strng emotion is vented by disbelievers in d genie, often, somtin is amiss. If a disbeliever in d genie gets in a shoutg match with one monk, holdg his genie lamp, i'd wonder y d ventg? If d mocker went as far as smashg a monks lamp, who is just mindg his busness- somtin is wrong. On d contrary, knowg dat genies dnt exists, i'd buy more lamps as a gift for my imaginary-genie-wrshper out of mockery.
If i kill a genie wrshpper-thn,
or hate one and celebrate his death/dwnfall/torture
wth all honesty- my claim of disbelief is false. Wat wud a foolish monk rubbin his genie lamp mindg his busness do to warrant violent attacks!! .
Ths shows there really is more to it. The genie must b real.

... worked up about him.

him = GOD. JEHOVAH JIREH, JESUS, JEHOVAH NISSI.
the everlasting father, the creator of heaven and earth.
the invisible one.
the father of spirits.., Holy spirit etc.

you create more threads tryiing to disprove God than theists
create on anything about him!!!

You get so livid with emotion -- you begin cussing,
if somebody says anything contrary to your opinions.

You almost cant mention HIS name in the same breathe without
spilling a cuss word.
Y does something that is not real draw so much emotion and energy
from you?
Arguing about him heightens your blood pressure!!
You burn with the same passion terrorists and fundamentalists
display. cracked folks.
All this for unreality?!


You stay up all night defending and researching to score hit points.

This is contrary to the way people in real life treat
unreal entities: fictions of imaginations.
They laff,then ignore..

if he isnt real , Y does he command so much of your attention?

Like, you dont have important things to do with your time..

the last time i checked, inconsequentials were often ignored..

Y so much effort expended. so much precious time wasted.

on something invented that isnt real?

Kamsy10: Please stay on the topic and if you dont know why Kumuyi is preaching what you call crap, its better to keep quiet and dont attend his church.
Getting likes on nairaland and getting likes from God almighty are two different things. Why dont you allow God to do the judging. I dont think he needs your assistance

Like I advised you earlier, if you dont know why Kumuyi is preaching what you call crap, please shut your mouth
Getting likes on nairaland and getting likes from God almighty are two different things
We humans like the to chose the most convenient way.Remember that narrow is the way that leads to heaven

if you wrote all this so you'll say shut up or keep quiet your are most to be pitied.
I replied u with the tpfkakambo moniker.
If the word of God from the bible can't convince - reconsider whether you want to obey the Bible or
follow man made doctrines in church.
I dont have time to respond to your other senseless comments.
I was responding to the issue of man made traditions in church, e.g dont wear gold.
And i refuted to out of context stance with relevant scriptures.
You ofcourse know in the bible that after Jesus , told some religious people the truth
they often tried to kill him. e.g throw him off the hill.

Dont make another comment on the bible except you want to make an objective point.
the bible says , only God's word endures forever , not the word of any man.

some denominations take the word out of context , and you support it. if
your pastor says dont wear shoes - like some sects do - you will not be able to interprete
the bible for yourself to know better!

The scriptures is of no private interpretation.- dont let any man deceive you.

Evil Brain: Well why don't you kill your own children then? So they can stop suffering in this world and go to heaven. By your logic,we should all be killing each other and thanking Boko Haram, armed robbers and drunk drivers for sending people to heaven.

You made the statement in reply to the comment i made that Job recovered all.
.. your comment doesnt change the fact.
And i presented no logic but fact.
In your atheistic mindset, you believe only in the material,leading you
to try to prove that job lost his children.
if Job's 10 children are in heaven, and God gave him 10 new children more after his crisis,then
argument settled.Job recovered all.
if you have N10 in the bank, and sb gives you N10 at home. you have N20 in all.
the morality or logicity or such of the transaction doesnt apply. i wasnt debating that.
That cud spurn an entire long thread on its own. so stick to the point sir.

Evil Brain: Did it ever occur to you that some of those children may have wanted to live a little bit longer?
And FYI, Job had 10 children. 7 sons and 3 daughters. Girls are people too you know.

i correct myself. Job had 10 children. Job lost 10 children. Job birthed 10 more children .
job 42 vs 13: "and he also had 7 sons and 3 daughters". Thank God for his benevolence.
chance of this exact occurence. whats the probability of a man who lost 10 children(7 sons,3 daughters)
giving birth to 7 sons and 3 daughters?!.

Evil Brain: The bolded is strong evidence that you've never read through the bible before.

I guess you're one of those Christians that cherry-pick selected verses and only read them out of context.

And you blind yourself to the contexts of the scriptures you pick to attack God with.
Did you mention Satan in your posts! "you said God was playing Games with Job's life"
"and some of those children wanted to live"
But you never mentioned who killed the children!.
satan to God: job fears you because you bless him,not out of sincerity
take away your protection and blessing and Job will curse you to your face
(Job1vs9 - paraphrased)

God: (who is all wise knows better than to argue with the devil).
Ok. deal with job as you like but dont touch his life.

Conclusion: Satan tried his best but failed!! . to his shame. and to God's glory.
And millions of people thru out the ages have drawn inspiration and STRENGTH as well as knowledge (that God is not their enemy or the one attacking them from Job's story,in
times of adversity - when satan strikes.

Job lost 10 children, (never lost them they only relocatd) but the book of Job has
saved uncountably more people.


did you read verse 10?
Satan (with his own mouth admits) :
"Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has?
You (who?satan or God) have blessed the work of his hands,so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout
all the land." -A wicked Person does this right?. Looking for points to prove God is wicked did you mention
that and verses like that!

2.) A wicked God? - in your objectivity did you see who was behind (attacking) Job?

3.) A God who protects the prosperity of his servant is wicked right? - that's how you think.
A God who makes the handiwork of his servant prosper is wicked right?
Job 1 vs 10 "You have (done what?) blessed the work of his hands (whose hands? job)
(why?) so that his flocks and herds are spread out the land"
Man, i'd rather stick with a being like this ... who makes my investment flourish!!!!.
And job didnt even know of all what God was doing to make him prosper!
He could have thought it was his fertilizer or experience or skill that was fully
responsible.
God is love.. if you want to bash God , logically , stay in context.
I know you'll rather stay mute than quote ever quote such a verse..

Evil Brain: Dyu know that the book of Daniel is just a work of historical fiction?

YOu know better than to ask a christian this question.
We believe the bible is true from Genesis to revelation.

Evil Brain: If thats all you have to counter the claim that religion is counter-productive, then you can't blame me for not taking you seriously.

Religion may be counter productive. I dont believe in religion. I believe in the Bible.
And I replied to your counter that Job didnt recover all.

Evil Brain: Of course, I should have focused [/b]on the restoration of Job's wealth and ignored the
[b]fact that your psychopathic god killed 10 innocent bystanders (and that's not counting all the servants who also got slaughtered) just so he could win a bet. What kind of moral does this (albeit fictional) story teach? And please the explain how killing and tormenting people for giggles fits the definition of "loving" and "good".

you've chosen a side in the cosmic debate.That's alright but stop all these petty biase you atheist
bring to the arguments.
You can be like other atheists and just express your hatred and blaspheme without resorting to
trying to persuade logically.
But if you are trying to make a point using the Bible, stay objective.

the bolded:
"focused" - " i said job recovered all. You say he didnt , raisng the dead children issue.
but any objective observer will notice that the last passages show he recovered
all his wealth: oxens,camels,etc. infact he got double.
what of the addition of time to his life? Job recovered much much much more.
An objective mind would surmise tht Job got recompensed after all-
but you biasedly try to prove he recovered nothing.. and was worse off , pointing to
the children he lost!!.

"psychopatic God killed..." - hmmn. blasphemy.
very objective . i see. like i said. Did you read of Satan in the picture.
The Jamb candidate who is turning atheists, didnt think for once
of an adversary.
When you call lash out. You dont lash out at Satan.
I've never seen any atheists say psychopatic satan!!.
Even though you read this:
Job2vs7: "so satan went out of the presence of God and afflicted Job with painful sores from the soles of his feet to the top of his head.."

You atheists will read this and gloss over it. Because you are hell bent on pointing your fingers in God's face.
You will say it is God that did it .
or you will try to argue drily that God did it by permitting satan...

Even a 10 year old can tell the moral of the story of the book of Job.

Evil Brain: You must be using a very different dictionary than the rest of us.

Dictionary isnt the issue. of course i'm thinking differently than the rest of you ,atheists. God haters.


read this also:

Job 2 vs 9:
---------------
his wife said to him,Are you still holding onto your still holding onto your integrity?
Curse God and die!

Curse who? God not the devil? not satan ?
When people encounter problems, It is always God to be cursed!
It is always God to point fingers at.
It is always God to turn away from.
Satan attacks you ,yet you curse God!! - sensible.
Satan likes this.

"Are you still.." - the suffering must have spanned a long time for the wife to make this comment.
Who was motivating the wife's speech? You atheists who believe in a material world-think.
Cuz the next time A wife prods you or father or mother or sister or sibling, it may b
spiritual!? oops. you dont believe in the spiritual.

... job42 vs16.
After this job lived a hundred and forty years;he saw his children and their children to the fourth generation.
17. And so he died, old and full of years




our light afflictions (which satan aims to use to unseat us or disprove God)
work a far greater weight of glory..
Wow!! Thank God for the Job story..

Kamsy10: I was about to agree with you until I read the bolded. Please don't lead people astray by saying things you know nothing about. Why don't you give verses that support the bolded. God asked the Israelites to remove their jewelries so he could decide what to do with them and the bible never recorded anywhere that God asked them to wear it again. Read also Jer 4:30 Even you pastor Adeboye's wife and daughter don't wear gold and they are not deeper life members.
Be careful what you spit out. If you lack wisdom, ask of the Lord.
Note: Am not a deeper lifer and have never bn to deeper life

anoda traditionalist has come online. Jeremiah 4vs30 "...though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentests thy face with painting, in vain shall thou make thyself fair,...". With ur educated mind this means gold,crimson,make up is evil? . Rev 1 vs 13 - jesus wears " a robe reachg down to his feet and a GOLDEN SASH around his chest"! - so much for not wearg gold. Gold is d asphalt of heaven! Job 42v10: job was given a piece of silver and a GOLD RING - the jews were gold wearg pple. Mark 7 vs 15 "nothing outside a man can make him unclean.....rather it is wat comes out of a man that makes him unclean " vs 21 "for within out of a man's heart, comes ...... Vs 23: all these evils come from INSIDE and make him unclean". Not d gold u are wearg! Did adeboye write the bible? If he choses not to use gold or silver i shd imitate him? Are u to live by ur pastors word or God's word! .. Use wisdom, todays christianity is crippled with so many worthless traditions that counter God's word. God put gold , diamond, silver, rubies 4 his children to enjoy. Not for satan company. Gen2vs11,12: get ur thnkg straight man.

@ above u hav nothg "logical" to say. Emotional slush doesnt count.

hmmm interestg. Heard of a girl/woman who passed Waec @ 8th attempt. She didnt bcome atheist. Wont this guy take jamb again? God is 2 blame! How about d devil? If d devil was to blame for his dull brain, his action wud b diffrent. Poor guy. In d bible, job was offered d opportunity to become atheist! But thnk God , he knew better. And in d end , he recovered all plus mor.

i cant bcome a muslim because ... My bible says my own goodness stinks b4 God only the righteousness of his Son is acceptable. So ur efforts to earn ur points wth God takes u no where. U and all muslims and all religious folks ar toilg in vain. Besides ur koran recognises Jesus as God!

@kay who owned eden? Adam or God. Back 2 d child example earlier. You dont know God's original plan 4 having tht tree there. Dyu know d tree of Life was also in d Garden? My guess, is God ddnt tell them of the tree of life.! But both trees were put there 4 man. Adam was created in God's image but he was a spiritual baby, God was traing him, in d Bible you see tht God promotes and rewards as his people attain standards, if Adam had passed his tests and bagged his diploma in obedience,i'm sure he wud hav partaken of the tree of life and knowledge of Good n evil. Som of adam's traing: responsibility: thru work. Adam tended d garden. Promotion: God gave him a wife , after , adam had learnt how to work. Next: respect/reverence/patience/self control: dont touch God's emblem in d garden. Note: adam wasnt tempted by the devil but eve . Was it God who tempted them or d devil? I guess , to u, if a Dad tells a child not enter Daddy's room without knockg, tht wud b a temptation and Dad wud b an evil Dad! The child can't learn reverence and respect without an opportunity to exercise or loyalty (or disrespect).

wirinet: The core argument of theists for the existence of a God (intelligent designer) is that nature is to complex to come about as a result of mere chance. They point to the complexity of the DNA and the human body as a whole as evidence of design. The seemingly perfect and complex patterns in nature is evidence of an intelligent designer. They ascribe impossible probability to these patterns occurring by chance. Now I want to examine 4 natural phenomena and see if they could happen by chance or it must be designed by an intelligent designer.

1. A sand dune
A sand dune is sand heaped together as a result of the action of wind. It exhibits various complex patterns lines and shapes, in fact it could be considered the works of a very creative artist.

2. A galaxy
There are over a hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe, and although there a few basic shapes, each galaxy has its own unique pattern. Stars are arranged in a complex array of patterns. Does it require a designer or the patterns happened by chance.

3. The rings of Saturn.
There are few objects in space that is more beautiful than Saturn and this is due to its alluring rings. The rings of Saturn is made up of millions of small chunks of dry ice. It is situated in a very narrow belt around the equator. It has very beautiful precise patterns and colours in concentric rings at precise distances from the centre. Does this pattern need a designer or it can happen by pure chance after billions of years.

4. Ice crystals.

Ice crystals as represented by snow flakes as innocuous as they look presents one of the most varied and beautiful patterns in nature. They come in various beautiful patterns and shaped and is such that no two patterns are identical. The only theme running in the patterns is that they are all hexagonal in shape. Now does the shape of each ice crystal require a designer?

These are just 4 examples of the millions of seemingly designed patterns in the universe. Everything in the universe manifests as patterns, the atom is a pattern of neucleons and electrons, the difference between atoms is in the arrangements and patterns. Same for elements and compounds. Life is just a pattern of molecules that allows self duplication. So does the pattern of molecules that permits self duplication (life) require an Intelligent designer or it could happen by chance after trillions and trillions of trials.

Let's hear the arguments of both sides of the divide.

@wirinet the core argument of theist is that, complex coordinated systems dnt occur by chance. All complex systems ar made then they operate. The fact that d maker of d system isnt identified doesnt make a system a chance accident. An example of a watch on a beach is often used. A man strolling on a beach picks up a lost watch. He doesnt know who owns d watch but he knows it is crafted. A complex pattern cud occur by "chance" e.g clouds moves by wind form decent shapes. Nature and d world , the homan body is a complex system, a computer is a system, a car is a system, a themometer, a blackberry ar all systems. Is there any possibility of a bb phone or themometer being constructed by chance? I mean u place all d components jiggle them together and u get a z10? No complex man made system occurs by random blind chance hence man which is much more complex and the world cudnt be a chance design. Continuous erosion of rock by water creates some patterns over a very long time. Plants create some funny artworks with their branches but these are not systems just patterns.

i believe we're making progress. First i'm not any where near a scientist. Never read physics,chem in school. So its logic were debatg here. And this is rightly so because knowledge of God is simple enuff for any one to grasp. @Wirinet : ur argument is wrng. You say in a lab , in a vacumm, matter was created! But u temper it by refering to energy . With d insinuanation dat energy always existed!. Which still boils down to d existence of pre-existent matter. Inadmissible. This is a premise you are trying to push as a fact. As illogical as it is you want to sell this point. In the beginning there was pre-existent matter. Which by (accident) created the earth and the orderly universe , with a sun large enuff to warm earth, and by chance d planet not too far from d sun to freeze and not near to burn contained life and man, and by chance man evolved from apes and the chance only created 2 classes of man types: male and females, and oddly by chance this class of beings hav always been religious.. Oops how did matter create God seekg beings. Sorry this is too chancey. The so call'd matter created in d lab occured at d instigation of others and still required matter (energy). Which still proves, nothing cannot create somthing. Which means at the root intellectual atheism/evolution hinges on a belief on the un provable. So y d bother with tryg to appear all prim and logical? On d issue of God. You atheists r tryg to Define his properties. In a human way. Your definition goes: if God created all things, then who created God? First, if God is a created being, he is not all powerful as He wud b subject to his Maker. And his Maker wud b subject to his Maker ad infinitum. It wud b a recursive infinite spiral if God were an originated being. On d hand if matter created God,(very flawed logic) ,senseless materiality wud b creatg intelligence. And God wud b a material entity veriable by a physical search. Either using advanced tools or our five senses. Inadmissible and grossly illogical. The properties of God, as stated in d bible says , he is before time, he is infinite in wisdom, knowledge, power. He has no beginning and no end. You atheists believe not this because it lacks any physical parallel.

so somali ur a devout muslim, who will make heaven wen u die right? Ur religion is a deception. Where u try to earn enough points to b acceptable to God. E.g prayg 5 times a day, doing alms, sacrificg ram. Yet ur quaran u abide by gives u know gaurantee of salvation. No muslim on his death bed is at peace abt eternity. Ur religion of peace vetoes blood shed Of those who dnt believe. A perfect model of intolerance. The bible is unequivcal on every crucial life question. Wherever a band of muslims ar d spirit of bloodshed presides.. U shd b workg hard to make islam upto date. World is tired of d so-called menace calld islam.

@abve wat point hav u made/makng! Succintly put,vis-a-vis my previous statement . "flaunting the source of temptation is temptation? " - wat meaneth this! .

dis 1 is easy. If she's not into u, then she's merely toleratg u. While there's som1 else higher on her mind. So test for tolerance. A) stop contactg : see if she initiates conct if u go MIA for like 2 weeks+. If no contct it means ur just anoda buzzer. B) cut d giving: if she's there 4 d money, shell go wen d well dries up. C) start a fight: wrd fight o! Not physcal. anger really unearths wats in a person's heart. If ur bold enuff, start aggressg and dnt back dwn, sadly, most 9ja babes r waspy. If she walks out and deletes ur name frm fb etc. She wasnt real. Or tells u neva to call her again etc. Wat 2 watch out for is how quickly she seeks to end thngs cuz of d fight. A fake girl will not waste time in dumpg u cuz all along she really had contempt for u. A real girl will cuss back in self defence bt not pull d plug. A lover may cuss back but as u escalate d aggression, she'll reach a limit and b seekg resolution. A lady, will not even lower herself to d level of fightg.

for making a dictionary, Bible application Etc. The alternatve is to hand type the data into a computer. Which is Unattractive. Cant find suitable free apps or datasources online. If u've created anysuch data centrc apps , how did u source d data. Mayb contactg d paperback version publishers may help but i tot google wud b my friend here.

if u hav prgmg skills i'd have said u create a mockup database usng object freezing (serialization), concurrency as stop gap until u master a full fledge db(shd handle ur small data size of 750 objects). Or use d net (or torrent search) , dwload ebooks nd software. Read up.

OliverPin: it appears you really feel good about what you did.

low brains like ths OP r all over social netwrks gvg 9ja a bad name. Experience women of other races, and it's like u ur havg a breathe of fresh air .

i see u respondd 2 almost all posts. You're actually lookg 4 anoda stupid girl like u 2 com endorse ur stupidity. Ur post isnt even worth d read, only dat, anythng goes on d romance section. Case: girl, likes boy. Wants boy. Boy comes over chats girl. Girl responds but snubs guy @ end. Comes on NL to ask Y she act'd so irrational. U dnt really want an answer but endorsement. Keep fishg till u get it. Let me help u. You act'd so cuz , ur ego got stocked and ur cheap pride over ruled ur sincerity , makg u say "no". Fyi, watch ur stinkg mouth wen makg anoda reply. Ur bhvior is as s.tupid as they come. So learn and Amend instead of gettg catty.

anoda foolish 9ja babe. Som of u will bone if a guy says hi. As if answerg will get thm pregnant. U chat and he walks away without askg 4 numba, u thnk why ? He ask 4 numba u treat him like dirt, as if numba = relationshp. He strts chattg with u , u take him for granted . Most girls lack courtesy to end a call/chat politely no thnks 2 being bigheaded frm excess male attention! It's an honor to receive Male attention esp if d guy is well mannered. Givg ur numba is mor of politeness , if u got along so well, and it actually boosts ur impression in d guy. If thngs dnt wrk out u'll knw with time or u can kill future dev of anythg.

as a man, theyre som conversations i cant engage in wit wmn cuz most ar just too shallow. It's very embarrassing watchg men, gettg into d thck of a conversation and d woman just keepn silent like chair cushions. Soon they hav 2 xcuse thmselves cuz theyve bcome non participatants. Screw looks, brains is byutifying anyday. Somebody is talkg of condoleeza rice vs kardashan. If diplomats, business men, accomplished folks pay u a visit , d pretty wife knows only about nigerian films, and brazillian hair and stuffs , but the other can make a mor impressive impression that makes d husband gain mor respect from his friends.. . These kind of women ar rare.

i wonder where u guy get all sleep-inducing points from. Wen u transfer power to a babe d nxt thing she'll giv u is sharp sharp insults... Just hav a colored personality not this gray monotonic stuffs advocated here.

@jack65

Did God tempt man? no.
when growing up a baby knows no concept of respect.
But by age 8 , a child learns respect and reverence for his parents and elders.
The training begins by letting the child know that they are boundaries in the house.
e.g
This is Daddy's seat at table,dont sit there to eat.
Dont enter Daddy's room .
Knock before you enter.
etc.
The child learns all this restrictions to his freedom but accepts them.
Do those restrictions count as temptation?
at age 8 months you cant tell a baby about limits. Baby can walk into Daddy's room,
cry at anytime for food, etc .. but at age 8 yrs if that child tries it he'll get a good spanking or sharp talking to.

are these restrictions? think well.

@OP your so foolish you can't even thnk straight.

YOu claim to know the Bible enough to find so many contradictions,
yet you dont know that conscription is not God's pattern.
Dont you know the story of the rich young ruler who declined becoming a disciple? or you skimmed over it.
Dont you know of paul's assistant who deserted him and the Ministry..

you ar a muslim and you think you know so much about the PLAN AND PURPOSE of the Christian's God
to put him on the pedestal.
At least the acceptance of this posts shows how tolerant the christians are of you people.
Islam is the cause of so much pain on earth.
Islam okays killing "infidels" -
Islam birthed al quaida - that world governments have unanimously banned and blacklisted.
Islam is blood lusty.. A religion after satan's heart.
Islam birthed boko haram.
You may dig up misplaced points of a christian God who you claim to be inconsistent and wicked on paper,
but the devil of murder that rampages the North has cost many parents who sent their children on NYSC there
to be receive caskets in place of their their children.
A religion of bondage!!.
Most of the atheists here are posting from countries founded on Christian principles,
Countries whose founding fathers worshipped the true God and God blessed their land.
Yet, if not for God's blessing, they wouldnt be able to enjoy those countries where they stand to curse God from.

YOur religion is so intolerant , that on a public forum like this,
there has to be enforced partialism so the forum owner's life could be spared.
Why is it warned that only muslim's should post in the muslim section!!!.

Your points are daft and pointless.
Like atheists, the aim isnt to learn or seek the true God but to ridicule.
Sorry, God is a God that hides himself, he is also a God that reveals himself.
If you really seek him and want to find him,
He will reveal himself to you.

if you believe in the bible you wont create this post.
because no other book exposes the devil like the bible.
Other religions are Devil-made. sorry if i step on any ones toes here.
Bible says there's only one way to God thru the man Jesus christ.
Any other "way" that doesnt point to Jesus , is a lie, and the Devil is the father of lies.
Meaning he is behind every other religion on earth - apart from true christianity.
He even has fake versions of christianity (to trap and lure the unwary)
and if religion isnt your thing.
He has atheism/agnoticism/etc. (religions of the mind) for you.
man- the punk has so many roads to lead souls to hell.

On your question:
ever read the book of Job?
it says Satan came to present himself to God?

>>
the New Testament.
Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness

>> Satan entered Judas

>> ephesians 6 .
----------------
graphical picture of the organisation of Satan's kingdom.

principalities, powers, rulers of the present darkness .
etc.

God is a spirit.
Satan is a spirit.
Angels are spirits.
Man is a spirit living in a body.
Devil is very real and alive on planet earth..

the book i read said "in the beginning God made the heavens and the earth", Gen1 vs 1.
you want to grab those hogwashes that try to tell me , nothing ,after a lot of scientific jargon,
and postulations and theorizing , produced something!!!
.
fact is none of the sceintists who makes these assumptions was there.
at a point , they have to base their theories on unfounded conclusions - on faith. faith
that excludes God.

There's nothing to teach.
nothing CANNOT create something.

^^^
I ddnt contradict myself.
I said God's word in person's life. understand the context.
God's word , in certain cases , in a persons life doesnt over ride the person's own word.
and i gave you instances. there's not contradiction there.
The bible is given for our learning and education.
infact in scriptures it has happened over and over where God spoke and it didnt come to pass.
why? because God's word failed. no.
But Because God's LAW doesnt fail.
God's word never fails.
Man's will is never voilated by God.
God can frustrate man's will,externally but not over ride Man's will.

and FYI, bible prophecy can be prevented.. by man!!
this doesnt mean God's word failed but the word was contingent on what man would do or not do.

in other words - they are some words God speaks, whose fulfilment is contingent, on the actions of the
party spoken to.
And they're some words God speaks which isnt contingent on the party addressed.
For example.
Jonah was sent to the people of nineveh. God was going to judge the city.
Jonah spoke to them- they repented. God changed his mind.
Judgement averted.
Jonah got angry - that God changed his mind..
Now, for all you saying God is wicked.. read the response of God.
God is more interested in saving people than in judging them.
God will bear long with people , give them ample time to repent and change, but he will not tolerate
sin forever. when the time is up . he'll judge and then it will too late.

In the case of David.
David had just finished committing adultery.
In a nutshell, God was going to probably kill David on the spot,
But David fell and begged for mercy when the prophet accused him.
God spared davids life.

Isaiah told king Hezekaiah, to prepare for death.
Wasnt that God's word.it was.
Hezekaiah, begged God for more years to live.
God consented. and added years to Hezekaiah life.

Most of these cases where God changes his mind involve words of Judgement/reward.
God can tell a man , i will bless you and make you rich (like he told eli and his family)
Eli's family was to always have a man on the priestly lineage.
But that man, out of his free will, could sin so grossly and terribly that God
revokes the reward!. happened many times in scripture.
God could promise to judge a man severely.
But the man could be so repentant and sorrowful for his wrong deeds, that God tempers or averts the Judgement.
God is more interested in saving,showing mercy than in destroying.

Isaiah 45:7
in some translations that verse reads- "i form light and make the dark" (TLB)

I said the rule for interpreting scriptures is in context.
A single verse is not taken out to build a doctrine.
Except you are simple trying to make a case against God.

the earlier verses i quoted to you show expressly, in God there is no darkness.
And that God tempts no man.
And God is light etc.
putting all these verses together and them putting them besides a single verse that says
God creates evil (which isnt even translated evil other translations)
so which do you chose.
There's a verse saying God is love.
There's a verse saying (explicitly) that God cannot lie.
There's a verse saying God doesnt tempt man and cannot be tempted.
There's a verse saying doesnt want any one to perish . etc

any casual reader of the bible will find some ,seeming contradictions,no doubt.
Which is why God gave his Children the Helper, to guide them into all truth.
so putting that lone verse against other verses , you'll see that , with all honesty,
God is not evil.

let's say that logically you want to hold on to that verse,
ok.
Then if you believe that God creates evil, and all the evil in the world is true,
you'll also have to hold on to all the other verses -- that shows that God isnt evil.
point. 1.) interprete scriptures in context.
2.) if you find a scripture that seems contradictory,none is,but man's understanding is limited.
stay on God's side.
if you'r a christian, ask your helper,the Holy spirit to shed more light.
A non christian cannot fully understand the Bible , because he has only his mind to reason with.

there's also a scripture that says:

"The thief cometh not but to steal,to kill, and to destroy"? - how about that.

"there's a scripture that says' I'm come that you may have life and more abundantly"

there's a scripture that says " would a father give a son stone if he ask for bread,
or a snake if he ask for fish , if you being more evil will not do so such
how MUCH MORE will GOD (.... ) " (paraphrased)

how about that scripture..
if confused.. look for other scriptures.. to get the full pix.
if still confused.. seek the Helper.
if no answer either way. chill. you were not meant to know everything over here.
(the bible says, we know in part).
But with bible questions, if you pray hard and seek God about it, the answer will come. may not come when you expect
but God most likely will answer.
some people have received answers to puzzling questions many years later.

some verses are verses explicitly need no context.
they'r explicit enough.

"in the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth" Gen 1.1. period.
That answers the issue of how earth came to be.

God made man from the dust of the ground. - answers how man came to be. That man was created not evolved.
This ar clear words.
You dont need any more context to understand this.
if you want to believe it or reject - the choice is yours. use your free will.

God's word showing he can have mercy and revoke a judgement (doesnt happen all the time).

"if my people that are called by my name, shall humble themselves and pray AND TURN from their evil ways
and seek my face, I WILL hear their prayers and heal their land etc " (paraphrased).
here obviously the ppl had done sin and attracted judgement but when they repented, God had mercy.

this is a word of God . showing he can have mercy. and God's word CANNOT BE broken.
so if he explicitly says he can have mercy on his people, then he can. But like i said,
read in context.


here's anoda one for you atheists folks.

"My word they are spirit and they are life, the letters killeth"
"Ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth"

the attitude you approach God's word with is important. if you read to really know God he will reveal himself to you.
but if you read to find points to accuse him with, you'll never discover the truth. you'll
get the "letters" that killeth.

^^
you wish you believe in something from something but your theory of the creation of the universe
is fundamentally a theory of nothing creating something.
what is your theory of creation..? if you say you believe in something creating something.

You advocate logic and believe in logical truth yet the fundamental premise you try to formulate about how
the world came to be is illogical.

The yard stick you use for measuring truth is inconclusive.

So you make statements that you wish were immutable facts...
There's not true logical atheist. at a point it is a matter of preference and faith.

if you believe in something from something-- then what was the something that created earth and the universe at a time when nothing existed!!!!

@Danyll
[quote author=Da-ny-ell]^^^ So God cannot stop evil without eliminating freewill, then where is the truth in saying God can do all things?[/quote]This question is ILLOGICAL (illogical based on the premises i had established earlier).
And you are trying to establish a logical point.
Let me use an example u a familiar with in this world.

say , armed robbers threaten citizens resulting in lots of deaths and maimings.
and senate passes a bill giving individuals the right to possess fire arms.
what is the implication of this?
some citizens will not be so helpless before armed robbers.
on the other hand, death toll from individual incidence will be on the rise.
jealous spouses will kill each other, kids will accidentally kill house members.
Teenagers will bring guns to school.

In a law court, which rules by logic, will you sue the gun manufacturer for making guns?
will you sue the government for allowing individuals to possess fire arms?

if in physical affairs you can use ur mind then why are you trying to establish illogical arguments?!
If God grants beings free will, then He God can reward and judge actions.
In the bible, Joseph had free will to sleep with potiphar's wife,but he used his free will to do good,
God reward that act.
In the bible Achan, had the free will to steal cursed items, he too was judged.
If God, possessed joseph, and spun his legs and pulled him out of the room,then it would be God doing everything
it would be a CHARADE!! .
If you are really serious about finding out if God exists, then take the Bible and do you research.
It seems you want somebody to answer all your questions concerning the bible God here while you just lay back
and throw accusations.
feel free to try to establish an argument against God but do your own work.

in the bible, God can do all things. right but it explicitly states they are somethings God cannot do.
1.) God cannot lie
2.) God cannot circumvent/break his Word.
under 2.) God's word doesnt have more power in a man's life than a man's word!!
if God says, "I will bless you and make you this or that"
but you keep countering that word- it is your word that will prevail!! in your own life.
For example,
God told the children of isreal, he would give them a Land flowing with milk and honey,
But they kept saying they would die in the wilderness.
which word prevailed!? - God's or man's?!
This underscores the fact that God cannot drag a man kicking and screaming into heaven or to do his will.
Man is ultimately responsible for his actions.





[quote author=Da-ny-ell]And you are saying he has emotions! God has emotions like anger, fear etc[/quote]funny question.
God is as emotional as any human could ever be. But his emotions are not tainted by sin.
when God created adam,the first man,he breathed into adam, a part of him (God),that part became adam's spirit.
Man,is created in God's image.
Man's attributes are an extension of God's attributes. except the bad part (which are from the devil/sin nature).
God laughs, God smiles, God rejoices. I dont think God weeps.
God gets dissapointed - he was dissapointed in making saul king.
Jesus wept.
The Holy spirit weeps.
God has a sense of Humour!.
God is cool.
Does God get angry! u've not read the OT yet.
when God's anger booms - the earth trembles!!.
But God cannot and doesnt sin.
God is ultra patient...
if i cud use such a word.

God has no fear . zero fear.
Stop to think about it (even though there's scriptural backing)
what will make God afraid!!!.
God says you , as a christian, should RESIST fear!!.
The first thing fallen adam did was to cower in fear from God.
Fear has torment. Fear is a spirit .. an evil spirit.

[quote author=Da-ny-ell]what makes him different from a man?[/quote]Man is created in God's image.
God is a class of spirit all on his own.
Angels are anoda class of spirit beings.
and Humans are anoda class of spirit beings.
But Angels ar not created in God's image . Only man is.
A child born resembles the parents in many ways. including containing the parent's dna prints.
Man is no different. even in a fallen (unrestored state) fallen man still has God's attributes - and the devils too.


[quote author=Da-ny-ell]And if God didn't put evil in satan, then who put it (you can't tell me that the devil just decided one day to become evil)?[/quote]I'll quote you a verse:
1john 1 vs 5.
"... God is light and in him there is no darkness".
james 1 vs 13.
"Let no man say when he is tempted, i am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil,
neither tempted he any man: But every man is tempted when he is drawn away of his own lust,
and enticed."

The rule for interpreting scripture is to establish at least two witnesses,i.e
two verses properly establishing a matter.
God didnt tempt the devil, and God didnt put sin in the Devil!.
God isnt responsible for that..
[quote author=Da-ny-ell]Who imbued the devil with beauty beyond human comprehension that led to his pride and downfall?[/quote]The scripures i've quoted have established that God cannot do evil and doesnt tempt.
But this question is similar to the statement adam made when he sinned.

Genesis 1 vs 9.
adam is JUSTIFYING HIS SIN,BY ACCUSING GOD- like your doing.

vs12
"and he (adam) said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me,
she gave me of the tree, and I did eat"

stop to think.
if God is wicked, would he give anoda being a superlatively good gift?
if satan chose not to rebel against god would his beauty have vanished?
assuming the purpose of God giving him his beauty was to life his head up in pride?!

[quote author=Da-ny-ell]And finally, if the devil has freewill, why has God condemned him already?[/quote]God has released a decree on Satan. Satan outcome is sealed. like Jesus redemption was prophecied..
once God has spoken,his Word cannot fail.
Jesus' redemptive work was prophecied in the garden of eden. it came to pass.
Satan is as good as nailed, he has no future and no hope. and God's word will not fail.
When God speaks its as good as done.
from the Bible, why hasnt satan been rounded up and thrown away yet?
Because,God is waiting for every one to hear the gospel of the kingdom and make a decision
whether to b part of God's kingdom (by being born again) or remain in Satan's kingdom (every man belongs to one of the two . )
God is not willing that any man should go to hell - Bible makes that clear.
But some will choose hell over heaven.
The choice is YOURS.

ON THE Satan part - why Lucifer sinned . the bible is terse on that. but it seems,
it came from meditation and then obsession with the desire to be God.
i say this because, the pattern for sin in the book of james i quoted earlier is - lust (strong desire)
act(sin).
the seed for sin was planted in eve , same way.
"you shall not die" - she saw the fruit. thought about it long enough. reached out and plucked some.
ate it sinned and that was it.

Satan,then lucifer, must have , in his silent moments being thinking ,toying with the idea of being God.
in this case he didnt need to be tempted..
And sorry, you dont need to be tempted by a being to sin. its proven in scriptures.
zechariah 14: 16 ,17.
When the earth is restored..
some folks will not still come to Jerusalem to worship!! (this is during the millenial reign they'll be no devil.) yet man will still not obey!! . for this folks no rain will be sent to them.
underscoring wat i'm saying about free will.
with free will comes sin potential.

@nnofaith

You are ashamed because of how it feels.
Your feelings are not the objective meters of truth.
physical evidence is not objective enough.
When Jesus rose from the dead,
one of his disciples doubted except he could put his hands in the holes in Jesus' hands and handle him physically.
What did Jesus say to him.
Jesus Rebuked him.
And said "blessed are those who dont see yet believe".
That word is same for you today.
The Bible , all those "stories", were written for future generations learning.
The doubting thomas story was put there for folks like you.
"it sounds like"..
The bible says , that God in his wisdom, has chosen to use the foolish things of his Bible to save people,
to scientists and educated folks , it "sounds foolish" truly.
the miracles sound far fetched, stupid etc.. ha ha ha.
God uses this foolishness to save those who will believe.
when God told a 99 year old man, and his old wife that they'll bear a child,not just a child but a son,
that those old paps will suckle a child?! it was so foolish that sarah laughed!!!
(its recorded in the Bible for you. ) it sounded INcredulous.
But , Abraham, was FOOLISH , enough to believe it.
And with his faith- the miracle came to pass. When sarah , held a baby in her arms , the joke was on the nay sayers.
Why dyu think christianity is giving so many people head ache.
They want something they can sweat for - where they'll say jogg 100 miles, crawl on your knees round your state,
then you'll be accepted by God. at least that one sounds plausible to a man who's committed heinous acts.
But simple - believe/accept/confess Jesus as Saviour.Ah too simple. junk. too easy to be true.
You've got free will,including free will to doubt.


@wazobia

[quote author=wazobia_for_u]kambo - a poser for you, you said Satan killed Jesus, what was Jesus plan on Earth? ( I think is to die accrding to Bible, so why accusing someone for his death)[/quote]yes Jesus plan was to die to save man. true.
But
let me quote something God said to Satan , in the garden of eden.

Gen 3 vs 14.

"... it shall bruise thy head and thou shall bruise his feet".

God gave the devil, operating thru a serpent,
a prophetic word.
meaning, He ,the devil, was going to crushed-legally.
Satan knew God's word never fails.
Satan knew he was going to beaten and rendered a fool but he didnt know how or who was going to do it!
so he kept watching..
when baby moses was born, he incited pharoah, to kill all babies.
But the chosen one wasnt moses.
He incited joseph's brothers to kill him,but plan got foiled.
And when Jesus was born, he incited Herod to kill all children!
but God was a step ahead of him.
Now, wen satan got adam to sin, legal control but not ownership of planet earth passed to satan!
that's why the bible calls him the God of this world.
he still is the god of this world..
but his time is running out. that's why he wants to get as many people to go to hell with him as he can.
When Jesus prayed in the garden of gethsemane, he Jesus was in spiritual battle , in order words Jesus
didnt fight the war to oust satan physically, but spiritually. Jesus won in prayer so that what happened
afterwards was just scripts playing out. He had blinded satan, in that place of prayer so that satan,
committed a legal crime - killing an innocent man.
as adam committed legal blunder and lost the earth to satan.
Satan committed legal blunder and lost his power.
When Jesus rose from the dead-he made this statement- "all power in heaven and and on earth has been given to me!"
so the joke was on satan. He became stripped.
in the new testament, it is written, if satan knew what he was doing, he wouldnt have killed Jesus!!
ha ha ha - the joke was on him.
He lost big time. he lost in heaven, got kicked to earth. Jesus came to earth on his own ground and kicked him again.
man -- the guy has lost over and over and over again.

one verse in the bible says that Jesus' pre eminent plan was not just to die to save man but thru his death to destroy
(render powerless/impotent) him that had the power of death ,that is the devil.
So satan had the power of death but thru Jesus resurrection, that power was taken from him.
thru the fear of death all men were captives to satan, .. . But in Christ, that power has changed hands.
Christians dont die- they sleep. the bible mocks death , it says "oh death where is your sting!!"
"oh grave where is your bla bla (forgotten)". the sting of death is sin. but Jesus has conquered sin for mankind.
Jesus gave man victory over sin, the grave and death.


peace guys.
it was nice arguing with u folks.

The issue isnt about God creating the Devil or God's foresight.
it is about God giving his creatures free will?
Now supposing God , as he was moulding lucifer (i'm logicizing here because i'm not in God's mind).
supposing as he was making satan, looks into the future and see's satan doing evil,causing a rebellion.
He smashes satan. makes anoda being,
so far as the being has ,free will, that being can choose to do evil.
if you say , God should have stopped evil,then in a way you are saying God should eliminate free will.
if God eliminates free will,he then has robots!
Remember God is sovereign,but God is also a being!! he has emotions and personality.
And he doesnt like fakeness.
read thru scripture , you'll see that God doesnt like being tolerated.
its either you give him all or nothing.

Now , the question who put evil in satan?
is it God?
it cant be God.
y?
Because if it were God? then God wouldnt be qualified to judge him? in other words , God would be judging Lucifer on trumped up charges the way , ken saro wiwa was judged.
And, Satan , being a wise being, would accuse God of INJUSTICE.
now, (again,i'm logicizing).
Creation, the world is held together by the integrity of GOD'S WORD.
meaning, the stability in creation - in DEPENDENT ON THE QUALITY OF THE UPHOLDING FORCE.
AND THIS UPHOLDING FORCE IS INDEPENDENT OF GOD.
i.e it is a unique entity that is from God but is self sustaining.
The bible calls this thing - the word of GOD.
. this is deep but bear with me.
if for example God lies. and his integrity becomes IMPERFECT,
then the power in his word becomes weakened!
since it is the power of his word that sustains the visible world.
weakening of power in God, leads to weakening of the forces binding matter!
this will lead to disintegration of the physical world as we know.
in essence- chaos.
That is why , God , is HOLY.
the ANGELS cry HOLY HOLY HOLY.
GOD by nature CANNOT SIN OR DO EVIL.
so i'm making a supposition , as if GOD CAN DO EVIL,BUT CHOSES NOT TO.
i'm making these arguments here.

The bible says, Satan "corrupted his wisdom". so satan exercised his will and came up with the decision to do evil.
this also proves that angel are not ROBOTS.
The bible doesnt go into details, because that's not important for now.
But i think, Lucifer thought and thought and thought on the matter , schemed and planned.
He pulled away 1/3rd of the forces (angels ) of heaven to wage war to unseat God.
The accusation is that God tempted satan?!
the bible says God doesnt tempt any man.
When you think of an omniscience it beyond human comprehension.
because,an omniscient being will see the end, and still see the now. living in two or multiple time frames at once.
looking at things from this view point.
God knows , it will be well at the end!

how about giving the whole month off as first fruit.
or the week.
whats the big deal about s.ex anyway- if they've waited all these years/months.
they can wait a lil longer .. but!
christian churches have a way of creating arbitrary laws.
Jesus on earth fought the traditions of the pharisees- they were blinded by tradition
and this culture is crippling the church.
Dont add to God's word.
e.g in Rccg, and some other churches. Baptism ,is only performed after the ritual of attending a baptismal
class for weeks!
in the bible, baptism followd salvation.

>>
People rever servants of God (MOG) mor than God because of their larger than life image.
People have problems, they dont know how to pray to God,personally , for an answer,
it must be ,the pentecostal tradition of going to meet one "Daddy",
when the Bible says "Come, boldly to the throne of grace"
"make your request known unto God".
Now, in the bible they're cases where God told a person to go meet his servant.
But that is not always the norm.
In the new testament every believer is a PRIEST qualified to MINISTER DIRECTLY unto GOD!!
how many MOG preach this in their churches? i guess the dependency will drop.

>> Brother wants to marry, the decision must be vetted by MOG!
chei.
too many moo moo's in christianity.
Brother doesnt understand bible verse , he must go meet MOG!
whatever MOG says is law.
imagine the crap deeper life teaches ,that women shouldnt wear gold!
taking whole verses out context!!
so who did create gold for? and why does Jesus wear gold!?
It's so terrible to the extent that , most people ,can't seek God directly on any matter any more,
it must be thru the "Daddy"!.
And these MOG ,some of them aint helping matters at all, they're encouraging the dependency!!

too many stupid christians i'll say. brainless morons in the church. not created so but they dont like to engage their
minds.
no wonder in intellectual circles ,most christian are baba at carrying last-na so so church church them sabi!!!

all these man-made protocols.

^^^
salvation from Hell - first and most importantly and from Sin and its effects
and from the Devil and his works.
"if there were no Hell, will you bother with salvation (if no , then you are serving your God out of fear)"
A christian is suppose to serve God out of love not fear.
The bible says "Fear not" , 365 times in the bible.
The Bible says "God has not given his children , a spirit of fear"
so God doesnt want you to serve him in dread or terror,but in love.
But God wants his children to have a reverential fear, a good holy fear of him.
like you'll have for say,the cheif in your town or your Daddy.
You love your dad but you also fear him.he's not your mate and you dont talk to him like mates.
One thing God has done ,thru the death of Christ,is to give man the Honour of approaching him,God,
Directly.
24/7. the bible say "with boldness , you should approach the throne of grace"
.this is an honour.
to see some important men,it takes you days!!
and we put up with the insults and snobbery. But God,
almighty God, gives man the honour of coming into his throne room to have an audience with Him.-that is Love!!
some Christians serve God out of a fear of going to hell,true. some serve God out
of admiration for His person. God is awesome and worthy of praise. either way - the ultimate goal is to
make heaven. or make it in the end. If you dont make Heaven - it's better you were never even born.
That said- God didnt create people to threaten them with Hell: Every man has a purpose to fulfill,
Hell shud be the list consideration. it's more about fulfilling your life's purpose . running your race successfully
and doing what God created u and put u on earth to do.

"imagine God created then threatens his own creatures to subservience to hell".
God never threatened you. neither does He dangle hell in your face to scare you.
Fact. The idea of hell isnt even really scary . the idea of aids isnt really scary. why?
if you want to do sin and live your life as you like it - no fear can inhibit you for long-
so if God was trying to use hell to scare people ,it wudnt work for long. and it has been proven.
People have heard the hell message for long and it may first hav bothered them,but later it will be like
water on a ducks back- that's man for you.
God simply says: the penalty for sin - breaking God's law is death (physical death ) and spiritual separation (hell/lake of fire)
but He has made a way of escape (there is a free gift of eternal life ).
how hard is it to gain this eternal life? you can get it in under 5 mins ,if you are sincere.
so if God wanted threaten would he make eternal life available and so easy to get in the first place?
Do you know any dictator-who made it so easy for his victims to flee his tyranny?

" what satan did to deserve his eternal torture"
Are you pitying the Devil?
one.
his eternal torture is well deserved. Because - first - he , satan, a created being , note:
every fiber of his being was thought out and put together by God.
His wisdom,beauty,power are all gifts from God. But He used it against God!!!!
God- kicked him out of heaven. And all the angels that sided with him.
2.) Satan is behind the worlds woes , directly and indirectly.
The Thief, comes to kill,steal,destroy.
He's the inspiration behind every form and manifestation of evil.
he plants the seed for vice in man.
can you e.g calculate the hurt inflicted by groups like boko haram,al qaeida etc.
cocaine - prominent well educated people losing thier destinies to addiction and endingup in crack houses for the
rest of their lives.
wars and famine-
if you can estimate the damages - even you would - say "the lake of fire is not enough for such a being".
but God has prepared the ultimate and just punishment for him.
Satan is anti-god. He fights God and the plan of God at every step.
But God is sovereign - and instead of destroy satan like a mosquito , he has allowed Satan to do his evil deeds,
so that it will be manifest how evil ,He satan is.
And so that when Judgement is meted out , he ,Satan will be without excuse.
Note. Satan,is not an equal opposite to God.
An angel, not even an arch angel,i guess, will bind satan up like a common criminal and throw him into an endless pit
during the millenial reign of christ.
And after that, when the devil is released for , He satan, will still , incite rebellion against God.
point: The Devil will never ever ever repent. if Satan, repented,initially,maybe , I can't speak for God,
maybe God wold have considered.
But understand , that God is a sovereign being. Not a democrat.
He judges fairly but cannot be judged.
one attribute of kings of old is that they weild power- u defy a king u lose you head.
Think of God in this way.
Defying God is a no no.
Satan, thought God will squash man, when man sinned. But God did the unthinkable-
He gave man a second chance!! Till date - the devil couldnt fathom God doing that - cuz angels that sinned had
no second chance!!!. But the jokes on him (satan).
Satan is a serial failure.
he failed at inciting a coup in heaven.
Jesus,came to earth to die for man,he got Jesus killed. But it backfired against him, he lost ,
big time.
all powers in heaven and hell were vested on Jesus and at the mention of that name , all knees bow (including the knee of satan)
now, lost souls can get saved .
and in the end he'll be thrown into the lake of fire.
The guy is a loser.born to lose.
[quote author=Da-ny-ell]He wanted a higher position, he rebelled, he failed. A wise God would put him in a correctional facility and try to correct the fault in his creation but what did your God do?[/quote]You atheists, have a way of dumping,trivialising magnitudes of sin to make your point.
Do your home work before accusing God.
Satan wanted a higher position.
God doesnt make imperfect ,flawed things. The bible says satan was perfect -in beauty,wisdom.
Do you know satan's position before his fall? He was lucifer. An arch-angel. not an ordinary angel.
on par with arch angels like Michael and Gabriel.
He beheld God's face-every day.
He was lower in position only to God-the son.
what more position could he want?
Who told you that God's throne was up for grabs or contest?
I know you dnt want to have nothing to do with God but dont toss this biased colored logic here.
Satan was and is a created being?! created for what? to serve the creator.
Satan does not have what it takes to be God and will never be God.
Satan is obsessed with being God - remember when Jesus was on earth- one of the temptations
of Jesus was "worship me!!".
Satan,is still dangling that temptation before millions, who gladly do it in exchange for
fame ,wealth etc.
in the end,he'll force (satan is no diplomat) humanity to WORSHIP HIM or be killed.
A creator is a person who creates tools for a purpose. e.g say you create a hammer for driving in nails,
if that hammer tries to do the job of a spoon it will fail miserably.
Satan was created for worship - if satan tried to be God he would fail.
Besides, if satan got to be God , then God would be where? serving Satan,under satan?
can you even imagine the thought of it?
God serving his creation.
"he hurls him to earth , to cause havoc".
in your life do you enjoy freedom?
i mean, say you want to buy a particular phone ,you make a choice right. a choice that pleases you.
you like some songs, and hate others. you like to dress in a particular style right.
this gift- is what makes man able to live a colorful varied life. it is a gift from God.
Thank God for this gift.
Take this gift away, (use of force,intimidation,shaming,threats),and man is restrained in his living.
This gift to be authentic,must be completely unrestricted.
meaning, if you like evil and want to do it - because of the respect and gift of free will, u mustnt be curtailed.
God gave man,the greatest gift ever, free will, man used it to serve satan.
How is that God's fault.
please.
if your dad gives you a computer to use in school and u use it to view porn? is it his fault?
if on the other hand you use your computer to develop facebook? is it to his credit?
No.
no law court will accuse you dad of making you a child molester if you use his gift negatively.
Man,abused his free will.
Take smoker for example. They are warned that tobacco smoking can cause cancer.
They know about the consequences but love to smoke.
The government could crackdown on smokers right?
it has cracked down on marijuana. but aren't weed smoker and prostitute patronisers clamoring for more freedom
to do their thing?
arent gay/lesbian clamoring for freedom to do their thing?
they feel stiffled if restricted. man wants freedom. including freedom to do evil.to sin.
is this God's fault?
think.
[quote author=Da-ny-ell]Why didn't he take his advice of purging the evil before it has a chance to spread. I'm sorry but your God is the cause of all the "wahala" we see in the world today.[/quote]are you asking to learn or asking to accuse?
asking with preset stance in mind is useless.cuz no argument can persuade a closed mind.
if God threw satan into hell, killed hitler and mussolini and idi amin- in their teenage years.
You and the affected folks would accuse him of mindless slaughter.
The affected parties would say "what did i do?".
You'll come on this forum and say "why didnt God give them a chance to live their lives, who know they may have repented before they died?".
the same trend of twisted unsatifiable arguments.
God in his sovereignty decided to leave man to do all his acts ,for a time, first to prove to man. That man is
fully evil,without God, and to have evidence (for man's sake) to judge man.
to the best of your knowledge did Hitler repent?
Did Mussolini repent,
Did stalin, repent,
Will the chinese police state, evil government, change?
No. No. No.
But God has chosen not to violate free will. and this is just. this is love.
(BEAR with d long post.)