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Gbola5:I don't believe I've seen you make a joke before. ![]() |
Nihilist:You're quite correct; I was wrong. And if this theory holds true, then I can easily guess how all the wights - both humans, giants, and animals - are animated. Bran a.k.a the Night King simply wargs them all. Scary sh!t. |
TheKingIsHere:The loops and twists in this are just too convoluted. Think it through... The COTF create the NK (who is actually Bran) because they are losing a battle against the First Men (who are also led by Bran). This effectively makes the theory collapse on itself cos if Brandon the Builder fought against the NK, then one of them is not Bran. But here's the biggest loophole in the theory: Bran can only see the past, he may even be able to make his presence felt in the past (as Ned heard his voice at the Tower of Joy), but he cannot physically - bodily - be present in the past. And if he can't, then how does he get captured and turned by the COTF? |
GMan650:I never actually bought into the 'Bran=NK' theory, but my reasons are mostly sentimental. |
gj22:This is your explanation of "pay attention when watching the show"?? I'm sorry but i just find it disappointing. You sound like you have a bone to pick with somebody; i can't help you there, sorry. |
BraniacX:Me and you both, bro. I didnt even want to quote him. True be told, I've long suspected that Bran might be a villain but I couldn't imagine him as the Night King himself. Assuming Bran does indeed become the Night King, then the whole ASOIF is just a moral tale - don't fly too close to the sun or you'll burn, don't green-dream for too long or you'll become the NK and destroy humanity. Mmm... its too simple, and GRRM doesnt do simple. |
gj22:Care to explain the bolded? I'm not GRRM and I'm not privy to his book plans, so I'll just refrain from commenting on the remaining books. This thread is for the tv show anyway. I must say though that your statement "GRRM has run out of ideas" shows how uninformed you are. |
stsinner:Not fans, budget. All those nice looking CGI dragons cost gazilions of dolapo to render, then factor in the true-to-life costumes, the exotic locations, the excellent production sets, those killer post credits music scores... Each episode of the series now cost almost as much as a good-sized Hollywood movie. |
Oasis007:I feel your pain, bro. No, it is not that the "show writer" is exhausted; it is that the "show writer" (a.k.a David Beniof and D.B. Weiss) have run out of the source material (i.e. the A Song of Ice and Fire books - ASOIAF), and all they have now are the "highlights" of the remaining books which the original writer (George R.R. Martin, a.k.a GRRM) is YET to complete. GRRM is a writer in a class by himself. Put simply, he is the JRR Tolkien of our times, and the ASOIAF books are his masterpiece. Seasons 1 - 5 of the show were based on the first 5 books; that is why they were so well crafted and excellently paced. But from season6, there were no more books! And unfortunately GRRM is such a slow writer! So all he gave the "show writers" were highlights of the 2 remaining books of series, leaving them to flesh out the story as they see fit.And that is you are watching now in season 7... there are still some wonderful story points, but overall so poorly put together. To even make things worse, whatever excitement that could've been gotten from watching the show as it is has been squashed by all the spoilers that completely exposed the whole season before it even premiered. Go figure. |
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Gbola5:Basically another Dance of Dragons. |
<Book 4: A Feast for Crows:: *finished*> I'm really short of words... After the penultimate Brienne chapter where Brienne the Beauty fought Rorge and Biter, when she made that stand to draw away the last band of the Bloody Mummers from the kids at the Crossroads Inn, knowing it would be the death of her... I literally got heart-sick. For an instance there, i forgot i was reading GRRM fiction and actually wished luck would intervene. I've read all this before but it still ate me up inside what she went through. By the last Brienne chapter, she was almost entirely broken inside, the Brotherhood were totally broken, and then Lady Stoneheart gave her that choice of the devil or the deep blue sea... The sheer hopelessness of it all. "Justice." Thoros smiled wanly. "I remember justice. It had a pleasant taste. Justice was what we were about when Beric led us, or so we told ourselves. We were king's men, knights, heroes... but some knights are dark and full of terror, my lady. War makes monsters of us all."------------- Of note is Jaime's dream at Riverrun. <pg 693/767> I totally missed this on my first read years ago, and strangely i don't recall ever coming across its mention on any online wikia/forum. That night he dreamt that he was back in the Great Sept of Baelor, still standing vigil over his father’s corpse. The sept was still and dark, until a woman emerged from the shadows and walked slowly to the bier. “Sister?” he said.I strongly think the hooded woman is his mother, Joanna, beloved of Tywin, who died birthing Tyrion. Any thoughts, any one? Wonder what's the significance of this dream... ---------------- And of course there were usual GRRM easter eggs... there was a member of the Brotherhood right under Jaime's nose at Riverrun; he even had nice good chat with the naughty old outlaw! But the best hidden egg for me was the dog named Dog (wink-wink!!) meeting the "novice gravedigger" back at the septry on Quiet Isle. ...and higher still they passed a lichyard where a brother bigger than Brienne was struggling to dig a grave. From the way he moved, it was plain to see that he was lame. As he flung a spadeful of the stony soil over one shoulder, some chanced to spatter against their feet. "Be more watchful there," chided Brother Narbert. "Septon Meribald might have gotten a mouthful of dirt." The gravedigger lowered his head. When Dog went to sniff him, he dropped his spade and scratched his ear.Of course there's a gaping hole here: how the heck did both Brienne and Ser Hyle miss the huge burn scar on his face? Nobody who's ever laid eyes on the Hound misses that scar. But hey, i liked the tale so i'm not complaining. -------- I think of the first four books of the series, AFFC is the most underated. It doesn't have much of the screened gallantry and likable characters that the first three books had, but there's so much deeper meaning in this book. It is here we finally meet a true knight but we barely recognize what we are shown because, surprise! the knight is a woman, is ugly, and isn't that smart after all. Funny how much of real life is actually like that, too. Next up, A Dance with Dragons. |
armadeo:Enjoy. ![]() |
odysey:Don't I know that feeling? ![]() |
The replies here are both sad and amusing... and either way Seun still smiles to the bank. Yes, i support the thread-lock. The thread was almost drowning in children-of-summer drivel in my honest opinion. Valar posteris, all men post. Back when the show was way behind the books, we had a strict rule of no book spoilers until it'd been aired on the show. The rule was followed and show-lovers had the noveau experience of watching the show pristine. Imagine if we'd all flooded the thread with our detailed and more versed literary knowledge as far back as season 3? Would anyone still have cared to comment on this thread? And now Seun simply says, "no spoilers for unaired episodes", and all you children of summer just couldn't hold your collective leaked enthusiasm for 3 stinking days! Shame. Shame. Shame. Why don't they watch the leaked episode, you say? Right. Just same way we could have also said, why don't they read the books? But we didn't. We'd read of the winter winds blow and the iron fleet reave and the dragonqueen wandering... and we knew this thread can only survive and blossom with the rules. But you children of summer, you... (sigh) you know nothing. ------------------------ Can we have some intelligent discussions now please? Enough of the derailing. |
Skookum:Obsidian is called dragonglass in the common tongue. My point is that "plot amor" favored Jon Snow to have a valyrian steel along with him (the other Thenn that fought the WW first was a better fighter than Jon IMO, yet he died cos he had neither valyrian steel nor dragon-glass). Same way plot amor favored Samwell to meet a relatively "friendly" WW and an obsidian dagger lying around. Scores: Jon - 1 WW, Samwell -1 WW. In other words, killing a WW can't stand as a true test of swordsmanship. You're quite correct; Ygritte did feather him 3 times... but all were deliberately non-lethal. If they'd even followed the book, it would've been better cos Jon limped for weeks from that arrow. Instead he was up and about within 24hrs of getting back to the Wall. Jon was a poor spy; if Ygritte had wanted to kill him, Jon would have had all 3 arrows right through the heart. |
Csami:Plot amor. ![]() |
JennyOfOldstones: ![]() You should do a re-read. It's fun. |
Chysler:The show ran out of source material (the books) last season, and sadly its really glaring now. It started with the miraculous arrival of the army of the Vale at the Battle of Bastards, then Varys miraculously shows up in Dorne a few minutes after leaving Meereen. Now whole armies are moving from one end of the realm to another in an eye-blink, and their opponents are amazingly ignorant of it until the army show up at their doorsteps. Varys' primary role as "the Spider" is now virtually redundant. |
Isomerizm:Yes. Both are very calculating and fight dirty, but Daario is described as fearless and confident while Bronn is described to be like a cat, constantly watching for an opening. Bronn beats Daario. |
closerange:Nobody alive could beat Jamie in his prime. If that fight in season 1 had progressed without interruption, Ned Stark would have died that day. Only two men in recent history were better than Jamie in their prime - Ser Arthur Dayne the Sword of the Morning and Ser Barristan Selmy a.k.a Barristan the Bold. But Barristan was no longer as young and fast as he used to be, and Ned Stark/Howland Reed took care of Arthur Dayne. Bronn, Daario, the Viper, the Hound, the Mountain, Brienne, Qhorin Halfhand... a healthy Jamie would've beaten them all (please don't even put Jon Snow on that list; Jamie would've wiped the floor with him). The Brave Companions committed a terrible atrocity when they took off Jamie's sword-hand. |
Csami:Actually... - Jon did infiltrate the wildlings but he was a terrible spy. He never found out if the Mance Raydar's horn was the real deal or not. If Summer hadn't shown up, the Thenn would have killed him when he tried to escape. And then Ygritte got soft-hearted and let him off with just one arrow to the leg (Tormund confirms it when he reminded Ygritte that he's seen her kill a rabbit from 100yards with an srrow to the heart). - Jon did kill a White Walker... with a Valyrian bastard-sword. Samwell Tarly killed his with just an obsidian dagger. Go figure. - Jon did lead the battle against the wildlings at the Wall... but he wasn't winning; he was losing. 37 brothers of the Nights Watch vs. over 10,000 wildings; do the math. Go re-watch S02E10, and listen to what Jon says before he walks out towards the wildlings camp. Stannis Baratheon won that battle for the Night's Watch. - Jon fought Ramsay Bolton and... lol, do i really need to waste words on this one?? A particular somebody needs to show more gratitude when next he sees Littlefinger!People who've fought several battles and never lost one? Only one man - Robb Stark - and guess what? He's dead! Meanwhile, people who've fought and ran away like Sandor Clegane are still alive and kicking. Look, I get it, we all love Jon Snow, but the truth is that he's flawed in so many ways. He's neither the best fighter, the best battle commander, nor the best strategist. He's an honorable man and a good leader, and i love him for that, but that doesn't blind me to his many faults. |
JennyOfOldstones:You seem like your feet are well-grounded in the ASOIAF trivia.. ..and your first name is prolly Jennifer. ![]() The thread is flooded with "children of summer" right now and it gets tiring reading their comments sometimes. We could use a fresh and informed perspective. |
CryptoCoinr:Coward? He just dusted your claims and provided several links and videos to support his arguments, and you dub him "coward"?? Dude, you're just hopeless. Feel free to wallow in your self-imposed ignorance. @musicwriter, nice work bruv. We need more of you. |
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Gbola5:Seems we saying same thing after all... what i call mid-stage is what you call late stage. Although i wouldn't term it late until after the Battle of the Trident. I think Dany was conceived before Rhaegar's death. |
oluamid:Can't believe I missed this post earlier... I also observed same when I began my re-reads, especially that "flurry of blows" bit implying that they fought for quite a while. But the White Walker said something in a strange language - Wymar had been wounded by then - and when next their blades met, Wymar's longsword shattered. This made me think the shattering of the steel had some WW magic causing it. I mean, the WW did say something... If this is true, then it probably has little to do with skill. But of course much later in Book3 ASOS, Samwell Tarly observes that the WW bring a cold "...so cold that it shatters steel". So its probably just the cold. But what a cold! |
Gbola5:This is probably nitpicking but I disagree with the bolded. Dany is Aerys' daughter, and Aerys was killed in the sack of KL... can't be conceiving Dany if he's dead already now, can he? I think you mean when she was born. Dany was conceived mid-stage of the Robert's rebellion, likely during the period between the Battle of Bells and the Battle on the Trident. Estimate some 3-4 months after and you have Rhaella's flight to Dragonstone and the sack of KL. |
JennyOfOldstones:This is totally an aside... @JennyOfOldstones, your name caught my fancy. Why haven't I seen you in the GoT thread over at TV/Movies? |
<Book 4: A Feast for Crows:: pg96/767 The captain had given her passage but he had no time to speak with her. Some of the crew shunned her, but others gave her gifts—a silver fork, fingerless gloves, a floppy woolen hat patched with leather. One man showed her how to tie sailor’s knots. Another poured her thimble cups of fire wine. The friendly ones would tap their chests, repeating their names over and over until Arya said them back, though none ever thought to ask her name. They called her Salty, since she’d come aboard at Saltpans, near the mouth of the Trident. It was as good a name as any, she supposed...pg101/767 “Our voyage is at an end,” [The captain] told Arya... “Valar dohaeris.” He touched two fingers to his brow. “I beg you remember Ternesio Terys and the service he has done you.”The crew of Titan's Daughter clearly wanted Arya to remember their names - and they never asked for hers. They thought she was a Faceless Man... implying that only Faceless Men carry the coin Jaqen had given her. So... was Jaqen out to recruit Arya right from the start? Or was it all a chance meeting? |
RobinHez:Unfortunately I'm worried there's no snitch at all, just D & D pulling plot amor. |
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