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armadeo:
Interesting arguments so far.

Many people could take the mountain but one slip and its over. He's freakishly big, freakishly strong and freakishly fast.

The Mountain, freakishly fast he's not.

Who remembers Leeroy Jenkins?

https://youtu.be/n1mHOdm4-Ic


...At least i had chicken.

SIRcumalot:
Tower of joy.
Most iconic dialogue in your opinion.
This knee bending thing,Is really messing with Me.

Bet the Lords Tyrell and Redwyne felt the same way.

But hey, you can cheer now, seeing as Gbola5 basically Arthur Dayne'd our arguments with his opinion that Snow is most certainly not the bees' knees.

kay9:
Grandmaester G, I wondered when you'd show up...

^{In Ned Stark's voice:}
I looked for you during the heated "Jon Snow vs. The Mountain" battle of wits yesterday... I argued with examples and BraniacX argued with passion, and SIRcumalot finally bent the knee to pledge us fealty. I was certain you'd be there...

So nobody got the reference? Really? Well, its only the most iconic dialogue in the entire GoT/ASoIaF universe...

Endtimesmith:
Super impressive,Sacrifice is all it takes,No pain No gain.

Sacrifice my foot. This fella was OBESE; if he'd lost all that fat from exercise, there'd be HUGE rolls of flabby, excess skin.
Just one word for this: Surgery.

...Or someone is very good with Photoshop.

...Or the 2nd picture is actually the "before", while the 1st is the "after".

...And of course there's still the possibility that this isn't the same person at all.

Just saying.

Personally i find this video just funny Look, let's call a spade by its baptismal name jor.

Dude cheats, you catch him, he cheats again, you catch him again, in fact you catch him several times! And yet you keep sticking around, cos.... what? He's your "best friend"? Eziokwu?? My dear, you're not in love, you're not even "in friend"; what you are is unhealthy. If you are still pinning away for some dude that treated you like that, and still calling him your best friend, then you most certainly need psychological medical help. The dude may be the biggest shmuck on the internet, but the babe has a bigger problem: she doesn't love herself.


Meanwhile, what is wrong with oyinbo people sef? Who tf thought it would be a good idea to make some babe relive her worst heartbreak? #sheesh

Papikush:
His attitude never showed he was sorry for breaking her heart

Hang on a sec... Please how exactly does one display an "I am sorry for breaking your heart" attitude?

And yet you are still here?

IamaNigerianGuy:
Christiana told PUNCH Metro that her husband had left the house with a plan to demand payment of a debt owed him by a construction company.... She said..“ I went to report at the area command , but immediately I said policemen shot my husband , I was chased out . I went to the governor ’ s office and I was sent away like a thief. ”


I felt very sad and depressed on reading this. Later the Governor of the state will visit a church for "thanksgiving" and donate money to evil pastors. Yet he cannot hear the voice of the widow or avenge the blood of the murdered.

The bolded is the saddest part of it all... Only God knows the sorrow and anguish this poor woman and her family are going through now..

Gbola5:
Jon is just a boy, the Mountain is regarded as physically unstable, i dont see Jon standing a chance. Jon couldn't even beat Mance disguised as Rattleshirt, and I don't think Ghost will be of any help either. As for quotes, Jon never thinks of the Mountain that Rides, so no references.

Mmmm... food for thought.

I think Jon as portrayed in GoT will stand a chance, though. Or maybe i'm just letting sentiment cloud my judgement.

Isn't Mr. Hands that dude that got f**kd by a horse and died afterwards? Almost laughed my head off when I first read that..

Gbola5:
Jon is the better sword, Robb is the better lance. But Robb has more charisma in battle, he is able to lead men efficiently than Jon and come up with offensive strategies, plus he has been in more battles than Jon. Robb was faster as well. But Jon, lacks this charisma, although he has his morals, would rather look at the bigger picture, and won't hesitate to dirty his hands, he can be ruthless and pragmatic. They both learned from The Ned though, in terms of leadership and battles.
Now I don't get the hype for Jon though. He's just a little above average if you ask me.

Grandmaester G, I wondered when you'd show up...

^{In Ned Stark's voice:}
I looked for you during the heated "Jon Snow vs. The Mountain" battle of wits yesterday... I argued with examples and BraniacX argued with passion, and SIRcumalot finally bent the knee to pledge us fealty. I was certain you'd be there...

Aiit, just tell me this: From your encyclopedic knowledge of GoT/ASOIAF lore, do you think Jon Snow (at his present skill and expereince level) will beat Gregor Clegane (not Robert Strong oo) in a duel TO THE DEATH? Give as many references as you feel like (we enjoy reading them!).

elrony:
Them go soon kee our Grey Worm for this coming season

I dey feel for the guy anytime him dey look Missande.

You know, i don't remember if it was ever confirmed whether its just the stones they cut, or if the pillar is taken away too...

Everybody on GoT is a possible candidate for horrible gruesome death... everybody except Jon Snow.

peacesamuel94:
what I meant was that according to the bible, the requirement prayer needs to guarantee answers is Faith. So Prayer doesn't get answered in every case, because not everyone who "appears" to have faith really does.

peacesamuel94:
According to the Bible, Faith is not just a requirement, it is also in levels, it is possible, someone that has faith have prayed for the Annihilation of ISIS, but it is unlikely for Him/her to possess the degree of faith to make it come to pass.


However there are things that must happen as confirmation that the world is near its end. Maybe ISIS Is just one of them, and if it is, no amount of prayer can change it.

First you need faith. Then you need "levels" of faith. But at the same time you only need a mustard seed-size of faith... *smh*

Just look at yourself and your hapless argument.

SIRcumalot:
How many cuts would it take to kill a Giant in a suit of armour who we already know can take a lot of punishment ?
Jon as depicted so far will die a horrible death. Duel or no duel.

Lemme ask you something, besides th staged fight with Qhorin, why is it that each and every time Jon Snow is matched in a kill-or-be-killed fight against stronger, more experienced, and more powerful opponents, he comes out on top? Just dumb luck? In a world as gritty and stark (pardon the pun ) as the one GRRM is crafting, how long can such luck hold? I prefer to think that the book author and show producers are trying to tell us something about the guy: never underestimate him.

SIRcumalot:
Only you can make welding a longsword made of valarian steel seem a disadvantage and thanks to kay,I know it is lighter than the regular kind which is certainly what Jon trained.also a trained fighter would know what weapon suits him best.
Is it always going to be the injury defence?
I could as well dismiss all the fight Jon has been because he was better armed with weapons and superior training.

Actually, Longclaw is a bast@rd sword; it is an extra half-foot longer than the regular longsword. Of course that doesn't help the argument that Snow was disadvantaged...

But i still stand by my opinion: if it came down to a duel to the death between Snow and Gregor, Snow would win. Blame it on "special assistance" if you like.

BraniacX:
I am not talking about arthur dayne in terms of style of fight but in terms of quality of fighters man to man! A single arthur dayne i don't know if you agree with me is worth more than 10 unsullied in a battle field

My brother, it depends on the battlefield.

On an average day, even 15 Unsullied would problems taking down Arthur Dayne. But add a smart experienced general on the side of the Unsullied, and you have another Thermopylae waiting to happen.

What you can do though, is put Arthur Dayne on a horse. A war destrier to charge through that shield-wall, and the Sword of the Morning finishes everything else.

BraniacX:
Well, when we factor writers and directors predilection, anything is possible, but if we were to analyse based on what we have read and seen, my list will be thus robert strong> victarion greyjoy> barristen selmy > daario naharis > bronn > jon snow> brienne of tarth > torthmund giantsbabe > the sandsnakes clan

Euron greyjoy should be in there too but i can't yet figure him out fighting wise, maybe you can but the best GOT fighters are long dead

Where is the Hound?

Barristan is dead in the show and Victarion's character isn't cast at all. I think that counts them out here. Jon Snow has consistently bested fighters that ordinarily should beat him in a fair duel, so he's kind of a wild card; on a list i'd rather place him where he would be without his "assisted" power levels, which is below Brienne. So the real question is, will Brienne beat Tormund "Giantsbabe"? I think not.


EDIT:
Hang on, i take it back. Snow would beat Brienne. And at his current experience level, without "assistance", he could possibly best Tormund if Stark honor is at stake.

BraniacX:
I disagree with you, unless you'll say that loras tyrell could beat oberyn martell because yes that is how jamie lannister saw loras tyrell! A younger, more arrogant and likewise supremely confident version of himself and as well, a deadly effective fighter and prime kingsguard material, but i don't know if you'll agree with me, for all that he still isn't oberyn martell whose reputation (evil of course ) is well known and some worse part of it mere whispers and yes, he's too smart a fighter and well versed in multiple fighting styles from first hand experience in mereen's fighting pits not to know which fighting styles easily defeats an opponent in a duel! There are few fighters of that era who i would have pitched against oberyn martell and expect them to stand a chance and these are all smart fighters not proud, cocky or arrogant nor fierce and maybe my list will suprise you but they are bronn, daario naharis, quorhin halfhand, and what's the name of that thief and slit throat sent to the nightswatch killed by jon at crasters lodge? See i did not add jon snow, khaal drogo, barristen selmy, brienne of tarth and others who fight with ferocity of conviction? Only those who are personally aware of their surrounding asides their opponent and always looking for every advantage they can find and that is not your typical westerosi knight, maybe a braavosi water dancing master but not a westerosi knight and not a leap and strike dotharaki warlord!
But i'm confident samurai arthur dayne would have ownes him

^^
You and Arthur Dayne sef, lol...

A sound analysis sha.

BraniacX:
You took the analysis out of my mouth! Kudos!

The phalanx formation of the helenic city states when co-opted to his macedonian calvary was what gave alexander of macedon such a great empire in such a short period even with such a small army! As simply put, everywhere he went, the old world and their armies weren't prepared for being pressed down at stake ends with countless numbers of long pointed spikes, see the battle of winterfell, when the bolton army finally shoehorsed jon snows with broad shields and pikes leaving even wun wun helpless and understand the helplessness of old world armies

The above bolded is why 100 Arthur Dayne's may not be able to beat 100 Unsullied that easily... it will come down to the terrain of the battle. Open field; the Daynes finish the fight in less than an hour. Closed in terrain with flanks fully covered; it will probably take the whole day, but the Unsullied will take the day.

BraniacX:
I wouldn't be so sure, these afterall were the creme de la creme of the very martially oriented fabled spartans at their martian and warlike best! Think of it as pitching 300 sir Arthur dayne against 1,000 unsullied, okay scratch that, make it 100 sir Arthur dayne's

EDIT
I just re-read and realized you were referring to Unsullied, not Spartans.

SIRcumalot:
Right now,John snow Martial skill is overestimated by the people in the show and the book becaused he killed the half-hand,but we know that was no real fight only a ruse.
Snow can't kill the mountain jare.
Maybe Jamie could,but I think the weapons used will factor in how that fight will go down.

We all know the Halfhand fight was a ruse. And you are right that Snow's skill is overrated by people in both show and books (Ramsay's words before the Bast@rd Bowl, something along the lines of Jon now the best swordsman alive...). I will admit, the best fighters still alive in the GoT universe look something like this: Robert Strong > Bronn > Daario > the Hound > Tormund > Brienne...

But imagine this: Jon and Sansa somehow run into Zombie Clagane, and Zombie Clagane punches Sansa's face in; Jon loses it, whips out his sword and Longclaw starts singing. Who do think wins that fight? Maybe I'm just sentimental but I think Jon Snow will win that fight, most likely by act of god.

SIRcumalot:
Yes.
Surviving a Calvary charge is down to luck more than anything else (plus that was a stupid move)
The thenn had snow dead to right if not for that hammer lying nearby.
Samwise killed a whitewalker,what you need Is the right tool.
Jon snow by his very own admission says he isn't as good as his step brother,Robb who isn't even cofident in his own ability to fight the kingslayer.
We can't put Jon in the elite just yet.

The cavalry charge was a stupid move, of course. But surviving it took more than luck.
The Thenn had him pinned, yes. Still the fight stands as evidence of Jon's skill with the blade.
For the WW, my reference is to his speed evading the ice blade and the repost with Longclaw. So no, you need more than just the right tool.

I will grant Jon may not be in the "elite" Arthur Dayne category yet, but you don't need to be there to beat the Mountain. Oberyn Martell was certainly not there.

SIRcumalot:
Jon snow ? don't make me laff
I think if you're going to fight the mountain you don't want to use swords at all.

I get amused when people underestimate Jon Snow...

Battle of Castle Black, Snow vs. Thenn; that's for skill. Battle of Hardhome, Snow vs. Whitewalker; that's for speed. Bast@rds Bowl, Snow survives cavalry charge, survives the battle, survives stampede, runs on foot all the way to the castle gates, and finishes the fight inside Winterfell; that's for endurance. Jon wields Longclaw, a bast@rd sword which another half-foot longer than the usual longsword, and still light enough to swing with one hand. Am i still making you laff?

GoodDieYoung:
The Viper easily floored the Mountain so I don't think the Kingslayer would be a match for him

Bronn would beat the Mountain; Daario would beat the Mountain; Jon Snow would beat the Mountain; even the Hound would beat him. Gregor Clegane wielded his sword like a cutlass; he was sheer strength and power and very little skill. Oberyn could have ended that fight any time he chose, but instead he got cocky and mouthy.

However if you are talking of Sir Robert Strong aka Zombie Clegane... i don't know if anybody can beat that one.

Isomerizm:
Battle of wits and a single combat:

Jaime Lannister (pre-swordhand loss Jaime) vs Oberyn Martel.

Who wins?

Did we ever really see pre-swordhand-loss Jaime fight in the show? His brief tussle with Ned Stark isn't really a good yardstick to judge him by, cos so far the evidence indicates that Oberyn will poke him full of holes, swordhand or no. But going by his reputation in the books, the youngest member of the Kingsguard ever, born to wield a sword, mmmm... i think he'd beat the Viper.

armadeo:
Unskilled
With out a doubt.


Remember the unsullied are the only ones to ever make an army of dothraki cut thier hair.

I beg to disagree.

Both the Spartans and the Unsullied receive gruesome training right from infancy. Both of them are also armed similarly (spear and shield), and they both fight in phalanx formations. So technically/skill-wise, they are equal; so the difference lies their stamina and endurance (as in, who gets tired first?), and the best way to gauge this is by comparing their battles. Now let's do some research...

In the Battle for the Free City of Qohor (the one you referred to), the Unsullied force of 3,000 withstood a Dothraki horde of 20,000; after EIGHTEEN cavalry charges, 2,400 Unsullied and over 12,000 Dothraki lay dead. The Dothraki withdrew and cut off their locks as they rode by as a sign of defeat. Compare this to the Battle of Thermopylae (the real story of the 300), were a Lacedaemonian army numbering about 7,000 (300 Spartans plus others, led by King Leonidas of Sparta) fought a Persian army numbering over 150,000 over the course of THREE DAYS to a stand-still. Between day1 and day2, the Spartans lost less than 500 men, while the Persians lost OVER 20,000. Then on day3, the Lacedaemonians were betrayed and their flanks exposed; about 5,000 retreated, while the main force of 300 Spartans and roughly 1,100 others remained and fought to the death.

Now consider this: the Unsullied had the city wall protecting the backs, so they could not be exposed, and the Dothraki also refused to attack from the flanks. And yet 2,400 Unsullied were slain. In the same situation, the Spartans lost LESS THAN 500. Granted, the Unsullied were fighting mounted cavalry (i.e. men on horses), while the Spartans fought mostly infantry (soldiers on foot), yet its a testament to their endurance that the Spartans lasted 2 whole days with very minimal loses. It was only after a saboteur called Ephialtes led the Persians through a hidden pass and attacked from behind that the Spartans lost the fight.

My conclusion is the Spartans have more endurance than the Unsullied. Both armies will probably be equal in strength and skill, so if the battle goes quickly, it may be a tie. But if it is extended for long, the Spartans will win.

SirWere:
Hypothetical Scenario :

If the Spartans from 300 and the Unsullied were to meet on a battlefield, who would win

Easy. There are 300 Spartans, there are 7000-ish Unsullied; they meet in open battlefield... do the math.

If we want to be fair though and make it an equal balanced encounter, 300 Spartans vs 300 Unsullied on an open field, i believe both armies will annihilate each other... however, the last man standing would be a Spartan. Now who wants to know why i think so?

Somehow you've managed to forget clarifying the most important thing... ARE YOU MALE OR FEMALE??

And your profile doesn't help. You are willing to send pictures but you've declined to put one up in your profile. Really?

Mmm... John Nash dem.

AshawoGirl:
This op is likely not to be gud on bed.


Guys don't say no to mouth action. But the problem is that they cannot suck u back

I do... or at least I used to; pony's in the paddock now. Back then, oh yeah by all means bring on the BJ, but the second i feel them teeth, its off. You'd be amazed how few girls there are that can give a good head without flaying you with their teeth...

Nice one, OP.

I think I'll just sit back and watch the bashing this thread will soon receive.