₦airaland Forum

ALISMILE:
there is somtin such as inciting sedition or treason

The law of sedition has long being removed from the constitution. Inciting someone to commit a crime only holds water if the crime was actually carried out and it has to be direct incitement. You cannot charge a person for a crime that was never committed. If a person listens to Nnamdi Kanu in radio and goes out to commit a crime, you cannot charge Nnamdi Kanu along with the person since the incitement was not direct. If someone listens to a Tupac song saying "shoot the police" and goes to shoot a police man, do you think Tupac can be charged as well?

As for treason, this means "actively trying to topple a Government". President Buhari toppled the democratically elected Government of Shagari in 1983, was he ever charged for treason? It is Kanu operating a London based radio station that has now commited treason? I laugh in Igbo

laudate:
Okay, so Ojukwu was afraid of death and that was why he ran away?? Why did Ojukwu abscond after sending so many to give their lives for the Biafran cause, on the battlefield??



Taa! Ojukwu absconded, abandoned his people and ran away. When he returned, he got his father's properties back but did not even bother to put pressure on govt to enable his people who had lost their assets in old Rivers state under the abandoned property saga, get their own properties returned to them.

The people who fought for Biafra, the Biafran soldiers such as my father, they did not fight for Ojukwu. People like my father fought for their freedom and they were to prepared to die for it. Those men did not fight for Ojukwu. As for Ojukwu, only a stupid soldier will allow himself to be captured or killed for nothing in a hopeless situation. A soldier who survives today, survives to fight another day.

explorer250:
pls sir are you saying that i am a migrant in my ownland? So as a person from oyigbo lga in rivers state, i am not allowed to complain about ijaw dominance in my geopolitical zone? Or are you saying that there are no indigenous igbos in south south?

Before now, most non SS/SE zones, particularly Yorubas, thought there were only 3 tribes in Rivers state, Okirikas, Ijaws and Ogonis. When some people like the Etches and Oyigbos started mentioning that they are indigenous Igbos in Rivers, they were labeled "Igbo Migrants" from the SE. Jokers!

kokobi99:
The name Biafra touches Hausa and Yoruba deeply, for me i considered it as jealousy, greedy, criminality, and arrogant. I dedicated this topic to those Biafrans who also part of this enclave. I am advising them that you can not keep Nigeria as one by gun.

The Yorubas and Hausas have no sense of self determination. That's why they can't comprehend life "without Nigeria"

BiafraMyAss:
You want him to be released after all his utterances?

It is not possible to jail a person in democratic country in the world by what they say, no matter how bad what they say is.

I recommend that everyone should read Philip Effiongs "Biafra: My story". Philip Effiong was an admirable man. He stood by his boss through thick and thin. It should be noted that had Ojukwu stayed back at the end of the war, he would have been caught and killed for nothing but the Nigerian authorities had no beef with Philip Effiong. It should be noted that Philip Effiong joined the Nigerian Army in Enugu in 1945.


I'm happy that when he died, Biafrans went to Ibinio Obong to give him an unforgettable burial.

The only fraud that exists is the one Lugard started in 1914.

banki:
Please what is tyranny?

Wether you support biafra or not!
Can you in all sincerity and honesty operate an illegal radio in southafrica Ghana usa Germany France etc...abuse other tribes and religion daily call for anarchy in the country publicly call for purchase of weapons to destroy the country...then you expect the government of the country to clap for you and beg you and even sit down and negotiate with you?

Then you call it tyranny when you are arrested? Biko were kwa nwayo

Operating an illegal radio station, using hate speech,abusing people, calling for weapons ....... None of these things are criminal offences in a democracy. Operating an illegal radio station will at best attract a fine. The Nigerian Government has no case

Kyase:
Treason?

Treason is when you " actively" try to overthrow a government. If Kanu commited treason by flying into Nigeria then Buhari commits treason almost every week. infact, Buhari commited treason when he kicked out Shagari in 1983, will you call for him to be arrested?

baralatie:
fortunately every geographical creation from Australia to south Africa have derived their self rule and all parties represented by each political representation have signed all documentation.
so basically a reorganisation of the world geographical design is considered a treasonable offense!

Nigerian mentality is just too backward. The people own the land, the land never owns the people. If you want a country, you must first seek the permission of the indigenous people of the land. Without it, you have no country. How did you think that Lugard can come from Europe to give you your country? Britain that created Nigeria granted Scotland referendum last year. Unless the indigenous people that make up Nigeria such as Igbos, Ibibios, Efiks, Ijaws etc are granted the right to decide their destiny in a referendum, there will never be peace in Nigeria. Nigeria is not "by force"

Nigerians thrive on fraud! What is more astonishing is that Nigerians some how believe that from an act of fraud, they will get a peaceful progressive country. It not going to happen. The writer said she believes that over 70% of Igbos will vote to leave Nigeria therefore the Government should not agree to a referendum. In other words "keep Everbody Nigerian at all cost!". What sort of silly mentality is this? Why do people want to force themselves on other people? Since when is it by force to be a Nigerian? Britain that created Nigeria granted one of its constituent parts, Scotland, a referendum last year. What is the big deal here? The writer and Nigerians are just too backwards in their thinking, forcing people be Nigerians against their will just like Lugard did. Nigeria is the epitome of fraud!!!


Biafra is not negotiable!!

SLIDEwaxie:
and what will happen?

If the guy is tried at the international criminal Court for hate speech, he will do nothing less ttthan 25 yrs in jail.

Ask Simone gbagbo

Unfortunately for you, there's no crime called "hate speech" in the constitution

The Nnamdi Kanu affair has exposed Nigeria as a country where the rule of law does not exist. How can a person meet his bail conditions but still be held? What is that supposed to mean? I wonder what the man can be charged since he commited no crime? Oh well that is Nigeria for you. We must keep on with the light of Biafra because Nigeria is darkness

jpphilips:
On whose mandate was your grandfathers traded as slaves?

And one fraud begets another fraud............... Laughable

baralatie:
like I said and your question goes generally across board.who is an Australian?who is a Belgian?who gave anybody to make boundaries?who gave anybody the right to say the continent will find yourself is called Africa?who said you are Igbo by definition when you are a Jew? who even said Igbo are Africans sef?

And that is why a referendum must be conducted in Nigeria so that the indigenous people can answer these questions for themselves.

jpphilips:
A biafran agitator who wants to leave an illegitimate Nigeria will drag along an unwilling niger delta legitimately
Have you heard Anku Briggs the niger delta activist who represented them in the SNC speak on this subject? those are the kinda people i listen to not Nnamdi Kanu who represent the Igbo interest in the prison cell.
Since Lugard did you a disfavor I need you to present to me a document of consent from Niger delta that they are for Biafra, I want to be sure you are not about to create another fraud like the Nigeria you so despise.
I will be the happiest man the day a South East Biafra will come to life.

I'm happy that you have exposed your self as another Nigerian who has nothing to say. I expressly said that we Biafrans want a referendum in the South of Nigeria so that the indigenous people can decide what they want. But you are coming up with every reason to uphold the fraud of Lugard called Nigeria. It is actually people like you that are dragging other people into an illegitimate union.

You

kjhova:
Hey, slow down bruv. I am not from the East so obviously we will have divergent viewpoints on this Biafran matter. However, I don't see any reason why you should subject me for an attack as "you guys".

To be candid, I am indifferent to this Biafra topic as it really doesn't matter to me if Biafra is or is not. What concerns me and every sane citizen of this country is to avoid another blood letting in Nigeria. For every time Biafran agitators make Biafra synonymous with war, the possibility of an independent Biafra is further diminished in reality.

I can only hope that in both pro & anti Biafra camps, common sense continue to prevail over crass belligerence.

Biafra is not and has never been synonymous with war. Actually, Biafra had always been a peaceful and democratic agitation. It has been always Nigeria that brings war and violence into the Biafran agitation. The main thing Biafran agitators want is a referendum so that everyone can decide their destiny. We all entered Nigeria as ethnic nationalities. We did not enter Nigeria as states or SE or SS. The ethnic groups of Southern Nigeria should be given a referendum so that the case of Nigeria and Biafra can be decided once and for all in a peaceful setting.

ALISMILE:
d difference betw Biafrag and BH is that BH re ready and re delighted to die while u guys love life soooo much! That's why Nig soldiers prefare to face u in battle!

You are wrong. Boko Haram is fighting to create their Islamic caliphate . I as a Biafran am asking for a referendum. You Nigerians are the ones who want fight a war. We all know where we stand

baralatie:
the question of legitimacy of state is totally not only Nigeria but the whole of Africa and the world!
where the the Americans get their mandate to be the u.s.a
where did the Europeans get their mandate to be Greece,Luxembourg and Belgium.
if you know the history of Mansa musa where did Ghana get its mandate
where did Cameron get its mandate!
where did Australian get its mandate.

I am not an Australian, nor am I from Belgium. I am in Igbo man who is asking on what authority was I made a Nigerian? What gives anybody the right to call me Nigerian when I never gave my consent to be one. The legitimacy of Nigeria is at the very heart of the demand for a referendum. Nigeria has no legitimacy and that is why a referendum must be conducted to know a Nigerian is. Simply put, Nigeria is an illegal entity.

baralatie:
I think you should go through Jpphillips comments properly.
he has explicitly answered your question!
and you can still ask how the founding father's of Nigeria of which nnamdi azikiwe and city were legitimately part of

Sorry to disappoint you but Nnamdi Azikiwe, Awolowo and ther nationalist did not found Nigeria, what they did was to seek self rule. My question was, on who's madate was Nigeria created?

Olabestonic001:
On the mandate of Her Royal Majesty, the Queen of England and on the mandates of the Great Men who caused the abolition of Slave Trades.
Your fore-fathers and mine were notorious slaves traders and if anything we should thank the British for coming rather than blaming them. Do you know that Fulani expansionism would have encroach the lands of Igbo's? Do you know how savaged Igbos were to Igbos by selling their own ethnic group to slavery? Thank Lugard for giving us that structure!
If Nigeria have anything to negotiate we should, rather than turning logic on its head to have an emotionally feel good euphoria.

N.B: The man that blames his pasts and others for his present situation is a weakling who can not negotiate bends in life. I hope IPOB (with sympathies from some Igbos) will not cause another destruction of the whole South East; now most Igbo's are having that 'feel good' feelings the way Northerners were having it before the Boko Haram menace. Hope they wont all live to regret not speaking against IPOB when the monster begins to bite.

You Nigerians won't kill me with laughter. So the mandate of the queen of England superceeds the mandate of indigenous Igbos in their own land? Where did you Nigerians get this slave mentality from? The slave trade you are talking about was abolished in 1804, more than 100 years before Lugard created Nigeria in 1914. What mandate did anyone have to create Nigeria? My late Grandfather was born an Igbo man in 1902. He told me before he died that he first heard he was a Nigerian in 1920. What mandate did anyone have make my late grandfather a Nigerian? Where is the legitimacy of Nigeria?

Ovamboland:
I must first say i appreciate your civil response to the few observations i made, and i agree to a large extent on the possibility of Ibos coming together at some point in history. But another possibility is they could have being conquered and split up by the more organised neighboring tribes who might have also developed means to overcome the thick forest that shielded the Ibolands from external invaders.
All is left to conjecture on what might have been.

So we can see their was some unintended benefits to Ibos with the adventures of Lugard, and you probably benefited more than the other organised tribes. Lugard probably saved the Ibo culture from been absorbed or at worst annihilated by other warring groups.

It is well understood that Ibos were deeply hirt by the attacks and pogroms in the Northern parts of Nigeria from 1966 but the leaders that took the weighty decisions to leave Nigeria how were they selected or elected? Did they ever submit that decision to the general populace to get approval?
We can however say the approval was demonstrated by the zeal observed in fighting the war even by unarmed Biafran lads. But remember leaders that were voted by Easterners including Ibos represented their interest just about 9 - 10 years earlier at conferences to put a legal seal on Lugard's adventures subsume Ibo destiny within Nigeria.
The attempt to reverse this agreement by other means is what led to the civil war and a similar but not serious pattern is again playing out today.
If Ibos are truly tired of Nigeria and not again thinking with their heart as in 1967, i think they would not have freely participated in the presidential election of 2015 and they SE is possibly among the top 3 regions in terms of percentage turnout to vote. The other thing is the need for independence should have been a vote Player for Ibo candidates for political office in particular the National legislature. But as things stand today i ma not aware of any elected Ibo politician and any other noteworthy leader in league with those i refer to as thugs and misguided elements.
The fact that some people come out to protest does not make the Biafra idea a popular one, if those you call and vote for as leaders cannot support what you claim is dear to your heart, i will just say the struggle is still a long way to go.

It is interesting what you wrote however........

I'm not a Lawyer or legal expert but I do know a thing or two about the Laws of contract. Same as a woman and man will sign a marriage contract where both parties willingly and publicly give their consent to the formation of a "valid" union. Either party also reserve the right to walk out of the Union any time they wish and for whatever reason by instituting divorce proceedings. In the case of Nigeria, not only is Nigeria a fraud for there being no contractual agreement between the indigenous people of the land to enter into a union, people also insult we Igbos for demanding a divorce to a marriage that never existed in the first place. The legitimacy of Nigeria is based on the sovereign will of the people and who they lend it to. Without the consent of the people, any nation is a fraud. I want to see a document where my Igbo tribe agreed to the Union of Nigeria. Where did we agree to be Nigerians? Nigeria was created by fiat and had no shred of legitimacy. No doubt that we all benefited by the coming of the White man but that does not mean we gave up our sovereignty. So, Biafran agitators like me are insisting on a referendum to determin the fate of the British invention called Nigeria. Yes we may have voted for leaders to govern us but those leaders derive their just powers from the legitimacy of Nigeria as a nation. In the law of contract, if the main basis of the contract as stipulated is fraudulent, all other acts that follow the contract inherit that fraudulence. As of now, all elected politicians are occupying illegal positions because Nigeria was begotten from an act of illegality.

jpphilips:
I have seen the attached document in several places, and i can not help but laugh at the ignorance of people who are throwing it around as fact.
The fact that an ignorant person published a book does not make his opinion sacrosanct.
I told you that Ojukwu's consultative assembly were his neigh saying "Aburi we stand" friends, if they had any relevance, why were they not negotiating the fate of igbos in Aburi?
I repeat again those men were hand picked by Ojukwu, they were NEVER elected as such they were there to serve the interest of their master Ojukwu not the Igbos, saying they were traditional heads is the fattest lie of the 21st century. For educational purposes you may go and read up the people's consultative assembly of Indonesia to learn how consultative assemblies are constituted.

You asked what Zik will do in Aburi? what was Timothy Omo Bare doing with the Nigerian delegates in Aburi? Zik the first Governor general of Nigeria has no say on the fate of Igbos in Aburi? The man who proposed an independent Nigeria to the South eastern General assembly? please don't insult my intelligence.
You claim you know history yet you have such ridiculous opinion, Listen again and very clearly, the reason they went to Aburi in the first place was to negotiate a treaty that will stop the pogrom aka genocide at the time, what has that got to do with confederation?
You question Lord lugard because Nnamdi Kanu told you so right? what did nnamdi Kanu's father do to stop the British invasion of Lagos in 1861 or you don't know what Ethiopia did to halt British invasion?

Such illogical question can only come from lunatics like Nnamdi Kanu, did he question slave trade also? BTW what is the source of that text you attached? don't tell me you take Nowa Omoigui seriously, he actually wrote that nonsense you are throwing around, check his surname and tell me what to expect when a Yoruba man is writing Igbo history, clowns
The same Omogui who wrote that Gowon was the most senior military officer after the death of Aguiyi ironsi abi?

You are a funny individual. You write so many things without making any point.


Im asking you a simple question and you are beating about the bush:


On what mandate did Lord Lugard make you a Nigerian?

jpphilips:
The bold part is the newest lie that will consume you and Nnamdi Kanu very soon, if you are historically deficient, go and study!!
The Eastern house of assembly was enacted under the Richard's constitution (1946) which was suspended as a result of Kaduna Nzeogwu's military intervention of 1966.

Ojukwu's Biafra was declared around May 1967, how can an assembly dissolved in 1966 give ojukwu a mandate in 67? Ojukwu only cherry picked influential people who happen to be his friends from regions he had interest and branded them a consultative assembly, those cabals do not qualify for an assembly of any sort, remember that the defunct assembly members were enthroned through an election, which election enthroned the evil men who gave Ojukwu the said mandate?

How will you give Ojukwu a mandate when he went to Aburi alone to negotiate the fate of Igbos, just like Nnamdi Kanu is deciding the fate of the Niger deltan's not through plebiscite but over the radio? That is the madness people support.
Ojukwu went to Aburi and negotiated a confederation as the solution to the Pogrom at the time, leaving behind Igbo elites like Zik and co, he returned with his famous "on Aburi we stand" with nobody knowing in details what he went to negotiate, thanks to Nkrumah who released the transcript of that negotiation.

Truth is; Ojukwu doesn't need anybody to give him any mandate, he has always acted alone, the fraudulent consultative assembly members were all pro "Aburi we stand" individuals we already knew what to expect before they assembled.
Again it was a pure military government so what is the need for any assembly?

How come you like to discuss politics but you don't know Nigeria history well? So don't you know that the consultative assembly also included the Chiefs and paramount kings of the 20 provinces of the old eastern region? Or are you going to say it was Ojukwu who coronated them as well? You are saying that Zik did not go with Ojukwu to Aburi, what would Zik be doing in a meeting of Military leaders or don't you know that we had Military rule then? The same confederation that Ojukwu negotiated in Aburi is what most people in Southern Nigeria want, even to this day, but have no hope of ever getting because the northerners are against it. Ojukwu at least had some sort of mandate. What mandate did Lugard have to make you a Nigerian? Yet you are still answering the illegal name Lugard gave you with pride but you question Ojukwus methods? Ojukwu had no right to speak for the eastern region but Lugard can come from Europe to 'award' you a fake country and impose on you a slave name coined after the river Niger? No wonder Nnamdi Kany says the black man cannot reason. Below is text of the consultative assembly mandating Ojukwu to declare Biafra. If you have the mandate that made you a Nigerian, post it for us to see.

Vyolet:
The Igbo leaders need to address this issue before those boys finish killing themselves in the name of Biafra nation.

The question you should be asking is why are your armed forces are shooting unarmed people in a democracy?

size40:
Yes, Mr President has spoken. Am in total support of Nigeria's indivisibility. As Niger Deltan and as a Rivers man in particular, I blive in one Nigeria even if I may not like how Nigeria is currently structured, I rather remain in Nigeria than joining Biafra. My father fought against Ojukwu led Biafra. And I will fight against Biafra if war happens today. The Igbos are running away from Nigeria because they feel marginalised which I don't blive. If Biafra comes today, but God forbid, the Igbos Will dominate we Niger Delta people completely particularly in politics. They will always tell us that democracy is majority vote which they have. They will tell us that minority will have their say, while the majority will have way.

That same boat you think you will be in with Igbos in Biafra is what you are already in with Nigeria. Your father fought Biafra because he didn't want Igbo domination? Your father actually fought so that Hausa-Fulani/Yoruba/Igbo would dominate your people. You people prefare 3 masters instead of one? Well you got it. Your fathers only fought to make your people more of an insignificant minority in Nigeria when you people could have been something in Biafra same as you were in the old Eastern Nigeria. It was just out providence that Yardua died that someone from the minorities managed to become president. It is your Igbo neigbours you know how to fight, but it is distant people like Yorubas and Hausas you know how to accept?

Oh well, since you people are this silly, we Igbos will just sit back and keep sharing your oil money with the others while you shout 'one Nigeria'.


Buhari is a joker. He knows that Nigeria will disintegrate one day, he knows the people are tired of the hopelessness called Nigeria. The movement for Biafra has started and there is going back on it until all Igbos are out if the British contraption called Nigeria.

Clueless cattle rearer

I will never take down this flag hanging on the door to my living room. Every morning, it reminds me of who I am.

Honestly1:
Honestly, me i don't just understand the meaning of this Biafra thing. I feel that our nation is still struggling and on her way to sanity, growth and development, why would some people just wake up one day and start supporting an idea of carving ou another country from a country that is barely 70 years. Can't we just all sit down for a minute and have a serious talk about this where everyone will air their opinion and work things out? Or do the igbos really think they can survive on their own? Do they even know what it is to start a country? Besides the people gingering youths to go out ad protest will never send their children to do such... Please give your honest opinion thanks.

The reason you see things the way you do is because you think you have a nation. You don't. What you have is the 'forced conscription' of ethnic nationalities into an unholy union by white men. You are only a 'Nigerian' because Lord Lugard made you one.

The Igbo nation is a tribe of over 40 million people, much lager than most African countries, so tell me why we Igbos should be in Nigeria?

Ghana is country of 28 million people but have their own country. So why should Igbos who are much larger not have their own country? What connects me as an Igbo man with a Yoruba or Hausa man? Lord Lugard? I want my own country, I want to administer my own affairs, I want to control the resources of my land, I want my own embassies, I want my capital closer to home and not far away Abuja, I want to choose my own name and not the one Lugards girlfriend chose for me.


I know as an Igbo man that I can survive without Nigeria, my ancestors survived when there was no Nigeria and so will I. I also believe in the ingenuity of my Igbo nation.

But the biggest reason I want my own country is that Nigeria has not worked as a nation in 55 years and it is time for me to attempt something different. Nigeria is a representatiion of modern day slavery when people have no right to decide if they want to be Nigerian or not. Yet, we are living witness that Britain, which created Nigeria, granted Scotland the right to decide if they want to be British or not. Self determination is a right, not a privilege

There are no benefits from having a president from your ethnic group except empty "boasting". Ask Yorubas, Ijaws and Hausas if the gained anything from their presidents. They got nothing.


Personally, I'm happy as an Igbo man that no Igbo has ruled Nigeria in 50 years. At least, nobody will say that it was "Igbo misrule" which destroyed Nigeria or that Igbos marginalised them.

If the Nigerian Army showed half as much bravado as they do towards unarmed Biafran protesters to Boko Haram, they would have destroyed Boko Haram by now. The Armies only strenght is against people that are not carrying guns like them.

TunjiMsp:
Bro, stop the hate, give peace a chance.

We have been giving peace a chance since the end of the war 45 years ago. Do you see any peace in the land?