₦airaland Forum

jpphilips:
Thing is this; you can not reason logically with people who lack access to the store of objective reasoning, there are very few people here I talk to nicely because at least they have proved to be humans, most of these pro IPOBS are majorly hawkers and spare parts dealers, in real life, i have no real ideological platform with them why should the internet be any different?

Well, to be fair, IPOB are struggling to be finally rid of you Nigerians anyway

Yorubas dont have what it takes to secede from Nigeria. Secession is for those who have the backbone to go to war.

laudate:
Ojukwu had....what? Which manpower and which oil? The same oil that he could not get any royalties from? The same oil that Shell agreed to remit its' proceeds to the Federal Govt?

The above you posted was when Ojukwu was still Military Governor of the Eastern Region and still under Nigeria. What I meant about Ojukwu controlling the Oil was after he declared Biafra

You claim that Ojukwu lost the war because of the naval blockade. NO!! That was not the only reason. He lost the war due to his shortsightedness, megalomaniac tendencies, poor military strategies, failure to properly strategize and anticipate his opponents actions, failure to accept advice from well-meaning individuals within and outside his enclave, failure to distinguish between propaganda and reality, failure to recover from the currency changes carried out by the Nigerian govt during the war, failure to provide independent sources of food for his teeming Biafran population, inability to replenish weaponry and expended arms etc.

Just for the records, your theory about Nigeria lacking naval ships, is not totally accurate. They had a few ships which were retrofitted with weapons.

What you posted about Nigerias Naval strenght and their ability to enforce a blockade is laughable. Another Lagos/Ibadan media concoction. The Nigerian Navy was just roughly 10 years old when the war began in 1967. Im sure they had some gun boats, rafts maybe even some small vessels. But they had no Warships to enforce a Naval blockade, not even close. To enforce a Naval blockade, one woould need Warship almost as large as the oceanliners that deliver and take goods. Gun boats cant do that.

British Warships blockaded Biafra, Russian Airplanes flown by Epyptian pilots gave Nigeria air superiority.

International intervention won the war for Nigeria. Nigeria has never won any war where they were not militarily supported by at least 2 nations. Had the international community stayed clear of the Nigerian/Biafran affair, their wiuld be no country called Nigeria today

Nice one

psp2pc:
I have no problem with then fighting for their biafra brouhaha, but why didn't they fight for it during GEJ's tenure, so because a APC/Fulani man is there now, they are agitating for separation. I am sure if by 2019 a South eastern or South Southern candidate wins the presidential seat, they would forget about the struggle.
Biafra is now a political tool no longer an ideology.

MASSOB was agitating for Biafra long before GEJ got in

Rossikki:
Wrong. Pragmatism dictates that the weaker side must seek all means to avoid military confrontation.
Your arrogance and narcissism made you imagine you were a match for the Nigerian military. The colonialists that enslaved you, massacred you, and looted your resources for 70 years straight, why didn't you go to war with them, or declare secession when they were in charge? You respect white authority, but disrespect black? Well, Gowon gave you your answer.




Ojukwu said the same thing, just before he boarded the plane to Ivory Coast.



He did not have the weapons. That should be first on your list. Your claim that he had the people "solidly behind him" is unverifiable. Who asked the old women in the villages if they were prepared for war?



Stop lying. There were no British warships blockading you. It was NIGERIAN warships that did. Nigeria had a Navy, unlike you.



What history of war has the Biafran Toy army of rag tag child soldiers with catapaults and machetes got?



The Nigerian army showed restraint in the Delta to prevent mass civilian casualties. Chad and others were needed against BH to check their cross-border activities. The US army always fights alongside allied nations and coalition forces for similar reasons. You need to study and understand the complexities of military operations before commenting on them. Just like your Biafran leaders needed to study the complexities and consequences of military conflict with Nigeria prior to declaring secession. The problem with you and your ilk is that you know nothing, you don't study, you don't research, you don't plan. You choose to be ignorant and reckless, and merely bank on your lazy assumptions and prejudices, and it will always backfire on you.

As I said before, Ojukwu was in a very good position to have won the war. Ojukwu had the support, manpower and the Oil. Had Ojukwu been able to export Oil and buy arms, food and other supplies, there is no magic that Nigeria could have done to win the war. The reason Ojukwu lost was the Naval blockade enforced by British Warships. In 1967, the Nigerian Navy was still in its infancy, It was just roughly 10 years old. Nigeria had no warship or even the technical know how even operate one. Nigeria did not acquire any Warship untill the 80's. Even now, Nigeria has no carriers and less than 5 Standard Warships. Warships cost hudreds of millions of Dollars. So when you say that Biafra was the weaker side, I laugh. The massive military support Nigeria got from Britain and Russia is what won the war for Nigeria.

madenigga:
All of the people agitating for Biafra your end is near.

I don't hv time to be debating or arguing with u people again, see you at the battle field. If you want Biafra come nd collect it.

You that has Nigeria, how market?

What people like Reno dont want to talk about is the inalienable right of the Igbos to decide if they want to part of the Nigerian project or not

malton:
If need be.

So if Nigeria is anchored on justice, why would it go and kill people simply for exercising their right to self determination?

malton:
This same NK that is towing the path Ojukwu did doesn't seem willing to spill his blood for the cause.

He'll end up leading many of them to a disastrous end.

But I guess the group consists mainly of lowlifes who haven't much to live for anyway.

But it will be Nigeria doing the killing, right?

Political relevance in Nigeria is no longer the priority of Igbos. Other things have over taken that

hayoholla:
I wish both the yorubas and ibos beating the secession drums should learn from history. more than half of those that owns the monikers on nairaland and are involved in these useless tribal e-wars were born after the civil war, they are only EMOTIONAL supporters of secession which is based on 'hearsays' and the little history they learnt in school about the war. if ojukwu should come out and boldly says he regrets the civil war, then I think he knows best and knows what he is saying. most of the stories we hear or read about the war are actually miniscule of what really transpired. any tribe talking about history will always magnify his own tribe either for glory or for emotional support, thats why those fighting needless EWar on nairaland should just sheathe their sword.

Ojukwu has never ever said that regrets the war. There more than 5 videos where Ojukwu said that he was very proud to lead Biafra in a war of liberation. The only thing Ojukwu said was that the war was over and he had embraced Nigeria although he consistently expressed the sentiment that Nigeria was not working as a nation.

When we talk about war, it should be noted that in every war, there is one side that is fighting for freedom and another side that is fighting to take freedom away. The side that is fighting to take freedom away is usually the guilty party. In the Nigerian/Biafran war, everyone knows who was fighting for freedom

If there is ever war again in Nigeria, we all know which side will be fighting to take freedom away.

War isnt a good thing, but sometimes, it is the only path to freedom

mekaboy:
More Igbos and even promising successful Igbomen have been killed in the east by Igbos than Bokoharam in the North.

Is it the Northerners that kidnap people in the east? How many igbos have come back from Abroad to invest and have been killed by igbos in igboland?

What about those that have died due to lack of healthcare, while igbos in state and local governments divert funds meant for their people's welfare to their pockets?

Your talking about those killed during the war, what about those killed till date by igbos? Who do you blame?

As for Nnamdi kanus and his British passport, how come you can't hold a sensitive government position in Nigeria with dual citizenship? You have to pledge full allegiance to one country.

Someone who is shouting Biafra or Death, should denounce his British citizenship and burn that bridge. So we can be sure we are all in it together.

He was Granted bail on health condition, was it not the same prison he was that others are, eating the same prison food. Is he in hospital now? Have you ever seen him in hospital since he came.out?

He would have remained there and let his followers go. JESUS our Lord, chose to die for us, he let the soldiers take him alone and release his disciples. He did not ask for bail and let them hold his disciples .

It's easier to have a restructured Nigeria than a Biafran country.

If you form a country based on this hate, nobody will relate with you, and you will be treated as an enemy. The moment you live Nigeria all ties are broken, whatever happens in the process of forming your imaginary holly corruption- free Biafran Government is up to you.

Forming a government is not as easy as you think, especially with the black African Igbo people.

Better think Twice.

You are not making any sense. What has Kanus British passport got to do with his belief in Nigeria? Kanu is a freedom freedom fighter not a politician. The main reason for Biafra has never worked and will never work. Even a fool who tried the same thing over and over again and is not working will try something new.

This is not about Nnamdi Kanu, this about self determination. As I said before, Scotland is part of Britain, the 5th richest country in the world. Despite the fact Britain practices resource control real federalism, despite all the advantage of being part of one the richest nations in the world, Scotland still agitated that they want to go. Britain as the civilised country it put it to a referendum. Britain did not say 'we must be one Britain!', 'our unity is indivisible!', 'we will charge for treason!', 'we will go to war'.

It was during the referendum debate that Scotland weighed the pros and cons of leaving Britain and voted to stay. The important thing here was that Scotlands right to self determination was fully respected. The same Britain used referendum to leave the EU last year.

But when you come to Nigeria, we act like we are barbarians. Whenever any group oeacefully agitates for independence, we will roll out the military, gun some of them down, arrest others, charge them for treason and keep shouting an outdated slogan called 'one Nigeria'. Yet we dream about one day being as great as Britain while doing the opposite of what they do.

The same Britain are the ones who created Nigeria but they are not killing each other to be together.

It is your right to disagree with Biafra. What is not your right is to be against anyones right of self determination.

If anyone feels that what Kanu is saying is wrong, support a referendum let everyone decide. Unity by force will not lead Nigeria anywhere

mekaboy:
The same governors and senators that have stolen your resources in Nigeria will use their money to campaign and win elections in Biafra. So what's the difference?

The same election rigging in Nigeria will occur in Biafra and the same looting continues.

That is you making assumptions. In Biafra, there will be no senators or Governors. Biafra will be fully restructured in such a way that everyone is controlling their resources which majes tranparency and accountability the watchword

mekaboy:
So Restructuring is the way to go and not Nnamdi Kanu's Hate filled Biafra. I will not be part of a Biafran country, built on hate by a leader with a British passport.

Ndi Igbo, Ogwukwa Ka Ora'm Nonu. Ka Chineke Mezie Okwu.

Your reasoning is like that of someone from analogue times, this is the jet age.

You said that Nnamdi Kanu is inciting and spreading hate? You wont thank Kanu that this is all he is doing? Do you know what Kanu's people have suffered in Nigeria? 1945 Kano massacre, 1953 Jos massacre, over 50, 000 Igbos slaughtered in broad daylight in 1966 and over 3 million Igbos killed frim 1967-70 in the name of 'one Nigeria'. To this day, if it is not Boko Haram killing Igbos in North, it is herdsmen killing Igbos in the south. Just only the millions of souls Igbos have lost in Nigeria is enough reason for any right thinking Igbo man to seek Biafra.

You left those that are actively killing people and you are concerned about Kanu that only has his mouth? Dont you see how biased you are? What is the worst form of spreading hate if not killing people? The Kanu you are calling has not killed anyone.

You are talking about Kanu having a British passport? What has his passport got to do with his belief in Biafra? When we get Biafra, if I find a way to get a British or American passport, I will do that. The passport has no bearing.

You said that Kanu left his co accused in Jail? Kanu was granted bail for health reasons. Of what use is a dead Kanu in jail to his co accused? Kanu is of more use to them outside than in there with them.

You also asked why Biafrans would want to secede? Have you got slave mentality? Since when do people need to have reason to seek their freedom and independence? You think Scotland that agitated and got referendum to leave a rich country like Britain were stupid? Its all about self determination.

Finally, let me talk about restructuring. It was restructuring that Ojukwu went to find in Aburi 50 years ago. He got a signed agreement only to come back to Nigeria and find something else. The North will never allow restrcturing, not now, not ever. If you are hoping it will happen, forget it. Which leaves everyone with the same choice Ojukwu faced, accept the will of the North or seek your independence.

This is the reality of the day and Biafrans have made their decision

Nnamdiojukwu:
I love Igbo's,I have an Igbo speaking lady as a wife,but one thing I hate them is that they look down on every other tribe as been inferior.
An average Igbo person don't trust his next door neighbour.
Look at their so called agitation,many of them are against it especially the educated ones, only the illiterate s among them are shouting Biafra while worshipping at Nnandi kanu feet's.
It pathetic.

When you go to vote, does democracy care how educated people or illiterates voted? No. What democracy cares about is who got the most votes.

Biafra is no different. This is not about how many illiterates or educated people support or dont support Biafra. This is about if the majority supports Biafra.

There is something about this write up that is strange. It keeps saying 'Ibo Soldiers' did this and 'Ibo Soldiers' did that.

The Biafran Army was not made up of just Igbos, paricularly at the initial stage. There were many Ibibio, Efik and even some Ijaws.

So how can one identify that a Soldier is Igbo? Biafran Soldiers did not wear name tags. How can one tell that a Soldier is Igbo? I find it strange

martyns303:
I am 100% Niger Deltan, why are the Igbos so eager for the ND to merge with Biafra?


We say no more, in the event of the disintegration of Nigeria, we are neither going with Biafra or the other side. We are standing on our, no longer shall we be used.

You will have to find sonething else to 100% because there is no ethnic group in the world called Niger Delta.

By the way, have you asked Ijaw, Itshekiri, Ibibio etc in referend7m if they want to be with you?

mekaboy:
How come since Nnamdi Kanu aggitation, detention and release, it's only Igbo politicians that come to associate with him?

Where are the top Igbo Businessmen that have businesses all over Nigeria? If I saw those top Igbomen businessmen standing by him then I will take him serious.

Majority of those joining the protest have no serious investment in Nigeria.

What Nigeria needs is restructuring and not separation. Even if Igbos are allowed to go today, in no time another igbo group or state will want to pull out of biafra.

We should all clamour for a restructured Nigeria to allow each region develop. It's the states that make the federal government and not the other way round. The federal government looks up to the state for survival and not the other way round in true federalism.

Who cares about you taking Nnamdi Kanu serious? Look at this one!

Rossikki:
You are STILL not using your common sense.

You are still trying to justify the unjustifiable.

Ojukwu HAD A CHOICE. He did not HAVE to declare secession from Nigeria. THAT was what precipitated the conflict.

If he had not declared secession, three million Igbos would have lived, and not been killed in conflict.

You can claim everything you like and say he did, to avoid war, but guess what? It wasn't enough. HE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO THE END OF THE EARTH AND BACK TO AVOID WAR, IF HE TRULY CARED ABOUT HIS PEOPLE.

The truth is that going to war was SIMPLY NOT AN OPTION for the Igbos. Why then did it come to that? Because of the poor decision-making, incompetence, narcissism, and arrogance of Ojukwu and his cohorts.

It's not as of it was a secret at the time that Biafra would be decimated in a conflict. Zik warned Ojukwu to avoid war at all costs. A few senior officers in the Biafra army, such as Major-General Hilary Njoku, warned against going to war. Ojukwu ignored and sidelined them, claiming that ''no power in black Africa can defeat Biafra.'' This was a country with no functional army, no navy, no airforce. I mean, it was pure madness. A collective psychosis that gripped the East at the time, fuelled by Radio Biafra propaganda broadcasts. A bout of collective narcissism that backfired spectacularly. And now, like typical narcissists, you still refuse to accept you made a mistake. Go on. Go and declare another secession.

You keep saying Ojukwu had a choice, didnt Gowon have a choice? Peace is a two way thing, it is not something that is down to one side to keep.

Gowon had the choice of keeping the Aburi agreement he signed, he did not. Of course, people like you will never question Gowon on why he did not keep the agreement he signed, because of your need to blame Ojukwu.

It was plain to see by everyone that Gowon and his Northern cohorts abolished the 4 Regions so as to implement 'divide and rule' which would give them political and economic domination of Nigeria.

That was neither acceptable to Ojukwu or the Eastern Region. As an Igbo man, if I am faced with the choice of being a slave of the North and fighting with my bare hands, I will choose the latter.

There is this impression that Nigeria would always decimate Biafra in the event of war. This isnt accurate. Ojukwu had the people solidly behind him, Ojukwu had the manpower, Ojukwu had the Oil. If it were not the fact that British Naval Warships blockaded Biafra and prevented Ojukwu from exporting Oil and importing food and arms, Nigeria would never have won the war. Gowon would have eventually ran out of money to procecute the war and gave up. Britain virtually won the war for Nigeria

The Nigerian army has no history of winning any war without at least 2 countries coming to their military aid.

The Nigerian Army could do nothing against the Niger Delta militants. They couldnt enter Sambisa until Chad, Niger Republic and Cameroon became involved in the fight against Boko Haram.

Is it this Army that could have stood against a well equiped, highly motivated Biafran Army? Not a chance in hell.

The Biafran fought for 3 years with little or nothing and gave a good account of themselves and I remain eternally proud of them.

That is the spirit of self determination, fighting for your God given right to freedom despite all odds.

As a Nigerian who only understand the slave mentality of 'one Nigeria' you will never understand what I mean.

deomelo:
Fighting for your freedom is either working the system, forming alliances, securing support from powerful countries, the UN, ECOWAS and AU.


Or secure unlimited funds to buy weapons from guns to warplanes, tanks, artillery, uninterrupted supply of food, medicine and so on.


Or don't do any of the above and repeat what your coward, irresponsible and incompetent Ojukwu did decades ago when you were not only defeated but also lost millions of your own people which = SUICIDE.



Again, fighting for freedom is quite different from suicide.

What Ojukwu did and what the new clown is trying to do is either suicide or just dishing out false hope to you and your people.

Abusing Nigerians and calling Nigeria a zoo is is just being a nuisance and silly distraction, not fighting for freedom.

Well as you can see, we will not agree. You have your way seeing things and I have mine. Nigerians will forever see Ojukwu as the enemy while his people will see him as a heroe. We can debate forever who is right or wrong but what it all shows is that we are different people with different outlook on life.

And that is why we should not be together as country. It is far better that those who share a similar value system and outlook should congregate in a different country. There is no point gathering people of different norms and value together so that they can keep fighting, makes no sense. Since the war ended, Nigeria has neither progressed or united. Nigeria is as divided as the day Ojukwu declared Biafra. I think that when people finally agree that the British colonial contraption called Nigeria cannot work, the idea of a referendum will be acceptable. With a referendum, those of us who wish to forge a different part other than the one Lugard forged for us can finally do so in peace

Rossikki:
Use your common sense Mr Man. Insofar as you did not have the military wherewithal to confront the Nigerian military, it was incumbent on Ojukwu to seek a PEACEFUL RESOLUTION of the crisis, even if the Aburi agreement was broken. Even if Gowon created 12 states. Even if Gowon kidnapped Ojukwu's daughter. The ONLY VIABLE SOLUTION for the Igbos at the time, was a PEACEFUL RESOLUTION of that crisis. PURE AND SIMPLE.

Instead, your dictator, Ojukwu, unilaterally declared secession from Nigeria, knowing full well he lacked the resources to back such a dramatic, provocative act. Look, there are over 700 secessionist movements on earth. The US alone has over 30. Why has none of them actually moved to declare secession from their respective countries? Because they lack the military capacity to enforce such an action against the parent state. BASIC COMMON SENSE, which you, Ojukwu, and many other Igbos, have somehow failed to grasp. Is it an IQ problem with you people?

There is a limit to seeking peaceful resolution. Somebidy cannot carry on slapping your face and you keep taking it because you want peace. It doesnt matter who you are, a time will come when you will say enough is enough. We all have our breaking point. Ojukwu did so much so that there would be peace. In the first coup of January 1966, Ojukwu refused to help Nzeogwu and even helped foil the coup. When the first wave of massacres happend to Igbos in the North, many Igbos ran back to the East. Ojukwu as military Governor of the Eastern Region convinced many Igbos to returned to the North. Ojukwu even escorted a large number of Igbos to the Northern border with Eastern Nigeria and told told them to go back in the spirit of 'one Nigeria' only for them ti killed in greater numbers a few months later. In the counter coup of July 1966, over 300 Igbo officers were murdered including the Igbo head of state, Aguiyi Ironsi. Enugu baraks had about 800 Northern Soldiers. It took the tireless efforts if Ojukwu and Lt Col Ogunenwe to hold the Igbos from descending on that Barrack and killing all of them. Ojukwu even arranged the safe departure of all of them from Enugu train station back to the North. Over 50, 000 Igbos were massacred but Ojukwu defied the cry of his fellow Igbos to pull them out of Nigeria and went to Ghana to meet Gowon and find lasting peace. After 2 days of meeting, they reached an agreement. Before they signed this agreement, the president of Ghana, General Ankrah asked all parties 'do you all agree with this agreement?', they all said yes and signed. Only for Gowon to retirn to Nigeria and start talking about honouring 80% of the agreement. The final straw that broke the Carmels back was when Gowon unilaterally changed the structural agreement of Nigeria by abolishing the 4 Regions and creating 12 states! Something he signed not to do in the Aburi agreement.


Haba! What was Ojukwu to do? What else could that man have done after all he had done for peace was rebuffed? What was Gowons imput as head of state so that there would be peace? He was ready to go to war to kill those he called brothers.

Ojukwu went over and above what a normal person would have done so that there would be peace.

What you people expected Ojukwu to do was roll over and surrender to the dictates of the Northern oiligarchy like Awolowo did? Sorry but an Igbo man cannot do that, not without a fight.

If I am surrounded by 5 big men who wish to bully and subjugate me, how long do I let them intimidate me before I stand up myself?

Ojukwu was faced with 2 choices, accept Northern controlled Nigeria or declare your sovereignty and fight for it. Ojukwu did what he was supposed to do

laudate:
You are beginning to sound like a broken record. If the Nigerian govt at that time wanted to push the Igbo out, they would not have initiated a police action to compel Ojukwu to drop the idea of secession. In fact, Ojukwu was the one who started laying the groundwork for secession, when he started taking over all the federal govt assets in the old Eastern region, and was asking Shell to pay oil royalties directly to him, instead of the federal govt, like they had always done.

As for Aburi accord, getting 80% of your demands met, is better than getting nothing at all, not so? If Ojukwu had agreed to take that 80% share that was offered, Nigeria would have been a confederation by now, the civil war would not have taken place, and most likely the 3 million Igbo souls that were lost would probably still be alive today. He should have taken a leaf from Ben Gurion's book who negotiated the borders of Israel's lands, several years ago.

Finally, in order to put a stop to Ojukwu's secession bid, Gowon created 12 states, which was a masterstroke. He wanted to weaken Ojukwu's power base, in order to make Ojukwu to see reason, and also wanted to give the minorities of the old Eastern region their own voice. If he wanted to push the Igbo out, would he have done this? Ojukwu did not expect this kind of reaction from Gowon, and it left him floundering. His followers like you, are still making the same mistake till today. Read up Sun Tzu's book The Art of War. It would help you understand a lot of things.

Now kindly stop derailing this thread with all your lamentations about Ojukwu and the civil war. Focus on the topic at hand...

You are defending Gowon, I am defending Ojukwu. What this should show anyone is that we are different people who have our on different outlook. Since we cant agree, it is only natural to accept that 'one Nigeria' isnt worth the paper it is printed on. Disintegration becomes inevitable. Coming back this thread, when Biafra is achieved, it is almost inevitable that Biafran and Nigerian leaders will have to sit down and discuss the sharing of assets and liability accumulated since 1914. In that meeting, the issue of citizen rights will have to discussed. An example is, what happens to Igbos who have Nigerian mothers and are entitled to dual Nigerian/Biafran citizenship? What about Igbos married to Nigerian women? What about Igbos who own landed properties or other investments in Nigeria? The reason why these questions are important is that it doesnt just affect Igbos, it affects all foreigners in Nigeria. There is no such thing as having one law for Igbos and another for someone from China, we in a democracy not military rule.

In the worst case scenario where Nigeria decides that all Biafrans should go back home.


1) Igbos have the largest investments in Nigeria outside Nigerians themselves. Asking them to go will see the largest capital flight in Africas history and one which Nigeria will not recover from for years to come. Nigerians dont seem to realise that nobody practices 'one Nigeria' like the Igbos. It is an Igbo man that will go to a jungle in Sokoto and build a house.

2) A mass deportation of Igbos will destroy the Nigerian economy. No international investor will ever step foot in Nigeria because what the investor will ask himself is 'if they could do that to people they once called brothers, what can they do to me?'

3) The standing of Nigeria in the international community will be that of a 'spiteful country' ruled by emotion rather than sense.

4) In other to successfully mass deport Igbos, Nigeria will to enact retrogressive imigrations laws that not only infringes on the rights of Biafrans, but all foreigners.

5) Mass deportations will increase international sympathy for Biafrans while making Nigeria a pariah nation

A people either have a sense of self determination or the dont. If they do not, they are bound to remain slaves forever.

laudate:
Has it occurred to you that government can always amend or even repeal any of its own laws, at any time for any purpose? Continue deceiving yourself that the Igbo cannot be deported, because they are entitled to both Nigerian citizenship and dual citizenship. Is it not the Nigerian govt that grants Nigerian citizenship till date? You think they cannot change the laws concerning this aspect? All it takes to change that, is a stroke of the President's pen!!

Afterall, Fashola deported some people from Lagos at one time, and most of your kinsmen cried. Can you see why we keep telling you that assumption is the mother of all errors?

Of course a government can ammend its laws. Im going by what is on the ground at the moment. It is not for me to say what they Government might do or not do. I an one person who believes that Igbos should think about home and developing their land. A mass deportation might be a good thing for Igbos for 2 reasons. It will finally show the doubting ones that 'one Nigeria' was always a scam and also, it will force them to repartrate their investments home.

deomelo:
There's a clear difference between fighting for your freedom and suicide .

I hope you and your people know the difference.

For a people who cherish their freedom, both are the same thing

laudate:
And you need to let go of your propaganda. Unfortunately, this thread's objective is NOT the civil war, so I do not want to derail it. What Awolowo said was that "if the Igbo were allowed to secede or were pushed out, the Yorubas would be left with no option but to follow suit." The question is: were the Igbo allowed to secede or were they pushed out? NO. In fact, Gowon initiated a police action to compel Ojukwu to drop his secession plans and remain within Nigeria.

As for the Aburi accord, a decree was enacted which would have given Ojukwu 80% of his demands that were made at Aburi. He rejected it because he was hell-bent on going to war. A wise man would have accepted that offer, and gone back to the negotiating table to ask for more. Just like Israel did, under Ben Gurion.

Ojukwu instigated the war by declaring secession. Even after it started, he was given options from several quarters to put an end to it. He refused. Only to turn round and abandon his people on the battlefield.

What does it take to push the Igbos out? The 50, 000 of them that were slaughtered? The Aburi agreement that was broken? An agreement is an agreement. You dont sign an agreement and come back and say you offering 80%. If Ojukwu had accepted that, what stops Gowon coming back a week later to offer only 40%? If Gowon felt that the agreement he signed in Ghana was to be ammended, it was incumbent on Gowon to call another meeting and discuss an ammendment. The break down of the Aburi agreement was because of the inability of Gowon to implement what he signed. Blame Gowon not Ojukwu.

Gowon left Ojukwu with no option than to declare Biafra when Gowon changed the structural arrangement of Nigeria by abolishing the 4 Regions and creating 12 states. Even as at that, Gowon could have tried other acenues for peace such referendum, plebicite ir a second Aburi meeting. But Gowon rushed to war as his first resort when it should have been his last resort. If Ojukwu had really wanted war, he would have never agreed to go to Aburi where he signed an agreement ti recognise his junior, Gowon, as head of state.

All this was because the Northern oligarchy wanted to dominate the political and economic life of Nigeria. Unfortunately for them, neither Ojukwu nor Igbos were about to take it laying down like slaves as the rest of Nigeria were prepared to

deomelo:
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The only history available and also the one you and your kind failed to and won't learn is the one that says ojukwu foolishly led you to a foolish and reckless war that killed millions of your people while at the end of the day, he cowardly ran off the battlefield for you to die and rot.

The same clown came back to Nigeria after begging the same Nigeria he fought for his pension, rank and more good life at your expense.

That's the only history available for you jokers to learn and comprehend and that's even if you are capable sef.


The new joker is even worse because he's ignorant, crude, crass and unintelligent, even all his followers are equally shallow, crude and unintelligent just like him.

Well if you call fighting for our freedom and sovereignty stupid them Im truly sorry for you. Not all of us are prepared to accept slavery without a fight. We are a people who cherish our freedom and we are prepared too lose millions to get that freedom. How do you think the peace, properity and freedom in Europe was achieved? It was got at the cost of over 50 million lives in the second world war. If people like you had been in charge then, by now, all of Europe would have been under German control due to the slave mentality you have imbibed.

Im proud of my people for fighting their freedom against impossible odds and holding firm for 3 years. Things may not gave worked out but no shame in fighting for ones rights.

But after Nigerias victory, what has happend? Nigeria is still as divided as the day Ojukwu declared Biafra. The country is still as messed as ever, nothing is moving. Other countries have raced ahead. So what did the so called unity you people were fighting for achieve? You people are still begging the Northern oligarchy for restructuring and control of your own resources.

The joke is not on Ojukwu, the joke is on you Nigerians who think Lord Lugard can give you your country.

laudate:
Eewo!! Wetin I dey see here? Who fed you this recycled piece of propaganda? "The war was forced on Ojukwu. It was far more incumbent on Gowon as head of state to prevent war than for Ojukwu...."

Was it not the same Ojukwu that African leaders including former President Bourguiba of Tunisia appealed to, to desist from war at the OAU Summit meeting in Algiers in the sixties? Was it not the same Ojukwu who was so hell-bent on going to war, that he lost the support of Zik? Was it not the same Ojukwu that Awo begged to give him notice and review his stand on secession, because the South-west was occupied with Northern soldiers? Was it not the same Ojukwu that Soyinka attempted to broker peace with, in order to stave off the war, only for Soyinka to be thrown in prison on arrival in the West? What was the name of the person who forced the war on Ojukwu??!

You need to brush up on your Nigerian history. All the things you said in the above happend after the war already started except that of Awolowo who visited Ojukwu before Ojukwu declared Biafra. In that visit, Awolowo publicly said that if Igbo leave Nigeria, Yorubas would do the same. When Ojukwu seceded, insread of Awolowo to rally the Yoruba nation and fighting for their sovereignty, Awolowo as the typical 2 faced Nigerian politician he was accepted political position and started saluting Gowon who was young enough to be his son.

Ojukwu did everything he could to avoid war. He went to Ghana and signed the Aburi agreement so that there would be peace, Gowon broke the agreement. Ojukwu offered Gowon referendum so that there would no war, Gowon said it must be 'one Nigeria'. Gowon then declared war and invaded Biafra. Ojukwu never went to war, war came Ojukwu. All Ojukwu did was fight to defend his people.

deomelo:
No entity can force war on you, it's up to you to fight or be strategic by accessing your options, pros and cons, advantages and disadvantages and your odds. Why not wait till you are well prepared, well supplied and strong to boldly confront your enemy?


Going to war to war without tools to fight with, no food for your people to eat, no medicine to treat the injured with, no moral and material support by friends outside your borders is pure stupidity, recklessness, idiocy, foolishness and mental incompetence.


The new clown don't even have 1 AK 47 or 1 single truck load of food to sustain any friction or event.


Going to war based on sentiments and emotions is nothing but death wish.

You should go and learn Nigerian history before saying these things.

The important thing here is that Ojukwu and Gowon had an agreement called the Aburi agreement. Gowon broke this agreement and Ojukwu declared Biafra. Gowon then declared war and sent troops to the East.

Is it while Nigerian troop are coming down to the East that Ojukwu waiting for 'perfect time' to fight? Ojukwu simply had to give it all he had and that is what he did for three years. Ojukwu never went to war, Nigeria brought war to Ojukwu.

Now the person you are talking about that has no AK47, why does he need one? The same person is saying he wants peaceful referendum, you Nigerians have already started shouting war. It is you Nigerians that love bringing war into everything same as you people did with Ojukwu. How do you think that if we fight again, we will ever come together as 'one Nigeria'? Not possible. So what is the point of fighting over something other countries use referendum to settle? Even Britain gave Scotland referendum in 2014 and later used referendum to leave the EU last year. So what is all this fighting about?

EvilMetahuman:
So you declare a war for freedom, yet you expect your captors to feed you well enough to fight them?

Use your head na.

And did you get that freedom? You people fight with emotions instead of brain.

That's why igbo lost the only single war they ever fought in their history.

Of course, you fight for your freedom. Win or lose is not as important as fighting fir your right. As an Igbo man, I would rather fight for my right, and lose in the process, than be a coward and not fight at all out of fear of losing.

I cant fault Ojukwu, he did what he was supposed to do. That is why his people love him.

Personally, I do not believe that the Nigerian Governmebt will embark on some mass deportation exercise of Igbos when Biafra comes. I say this for the following reasons.

1) Biafra is most likely to be multi-ethnic:- Contrary to what some people may think Biafra may not be comprised of just Igbos. It is most likely to be multi-ethnic which means that any sort of deportation will have to take that into consideration.

2) The laws of Nigeria is that anyone born in Nigeria automatically becomes a Nigerian citizen regardless of where their parents come from. I know many Igbos who were born outside Igbo land in places like Lagos, Abuja, Kaduna etc. These Igbos cannot be deported because they are entitled to both Nigerian citizenship and dual citizenship.

3) Although Nigeria can insisit that all Igbos return to Biafra, doing so will damage Nigeria internationally