₦airaland Forum

mpowa:
All these playing victims as if the other party is Always at fault. It was a war, and if Ojukwu and his army had a change to wipe out 5 million Nigerians he won't have hesitated.

Then question would then have been, would Gowon have recieved Ojukwu warmly into his own house?

dyydxx:
you have jumped here again

This is the reasoning of any logical human being. Igbos considered Ojukwu their greatest hero yet they voted against him when he contested the presidency under APGA. who's deceiving who

Igbos respect freedom fighters not politicians. Ojukwu the Biafran freedom fighter is who Igbos respect, not Ojukwu the APGA presidential candidate.

Another example is Nnamdi Kanu. Kanu the IPOB freedom fighter can call for a million man protest and the numbers will come out.

But if Kanu ever joins politics and calls for a million people to his campaign, nobody will show up.

almarthins:
And how is d reasoning of biafrans? The way to go is nt another war or crisis. Agama-lizard wey fall from iroko tree wey no person wey tell am well done go praise himself say "I am great". Ojukwu may be have celebrated as a hero but did people ever asked why he had to return to d same Nigeria he fought and contested for election? D man never raised Biafran flag again. Igbo's should think deeply

When Ojukwu was fighting for Biafra, you Nigerians didnt like it.

When he returned and embraced 'one Nigeria', contested elections as a Nigerian, you guys are still complaining.

Ojukwu, was an old man. His own fighting for Biafra is over. However, we the younger generation are seeking our freedom just like he did.

BlakKluKluxKlan:
But you have no problem with Ojukwu having being a runaway bloody coward of the highest order. You have no problem with Ikwerre people openly rejecting your overtures to drag them into a suicide mission. They know PH and the issue of "abandoned property" remain your hidden nightmare. Ikwerre people are smart enough to see through your shennanigan.
Let me reveal your unspoken plan vis-a-vis P-Harcourt.

You want to persuade, force or cajole them into biafra. Having got that done, you intend to eventually adopt surreptitious ethnic cleansing agenda against them so as to take over their property and PH to turn it into igbo enclave. The truth that most of you don't want to accept is that the igbo naturally have land-grabbing in their genes.
There was a time Nnamdi Azikiwe wanted the igbo to take over the entire street named after him in Lagos just because the yoruba voted for NCNC. He failed to realise that politics apart, the yoruba would never joke with their ancestral heritage. That stupid act of him marked the beginning of the end of the party in Lagos.

You claim you have a problem with Afonja who absolutely have no time for you. It would give your larynx a rest if i told you that the yoruba are probably the most anxious in this country to see you achieve your biafra. Already they consider you an enemy within, a bunch of irritants.

The short period that you sojourned in your fatherland after the mass exodus using a phantom "yam festival" like your coward Ojukwu during the June 12 crisis must be the best period the yoruba enjoyed a stress-free time, a time of bliss, crime-free, noise-free and serene.
We want it back. You constitute a very bad influence wherever you go.
Adieu soon.

Dont bring your stupid sentiments here. The only thing being done 'by force' is the Federal Government that enforces 'one Nigeria'

mekuzi09:
Base on your postulation, its clear that Ikwerre cannot be from the same stock. Obio and Aparra can trace their origin to Igboland. So is Isiokpo and most part of Igwuruta/ Omogwa, Alo, etc. who trace their origin to Okpo Nwagidi. Alo, that is very close to Choba, speaks more like Igbos...Bros, a small fraction of Emohua may trace their origin to Ahaouda/Ekpeye who we can rightly say migrated from Benin. The rest na story story story.

I have to believe that Ikwerres are not from the same stock. As an Anambra man, I have wondered how come I can understand Elele people in Ikwerre LGA but much harder to understand someone from Emohua.

fulanmafia:
Ojukwu's unpreparedness for the war and audacious & unilateral declaration of another country within Nigeria, is what led to the wipeout of the over 3 million Ibos, not anything else.

If anyone has a forgiving (not forgiven) heart, it is Ibos who never lynched him for leading them to an avoidable war, running away in the heat of battle and shamelessly having the guts to contest for the Presidency of a united ONE Nigeria.

If Ojukwu could run from Gowon in female clothes while he was a young soldier, I can only imagine his alarm when he heard his nemesis was coming to check on him again.

This is the reasoning of a Nigerian. But if I asked you why Igbos consider Ojukwu their greatest hero, you wont be able to answer. Thats is to tell you that we are different people and one Nigeria does not exist

Ojukwu must have had a heart bigger than the moon. To welcome a man who killed over 3 million of your brethren into your house is not something everyone can do.

Ojukwu must have had a very forgiven heart.

bornaking:
Nigerians my people. Nigeria my country.
My take of what i see with the Ibos seeking for referendum and sometimes Naija delta and Oduduwa republic also calling for their own nation is a political stand that stand on the politicians.
They are the one causing disunity in this country. When the presidential power shifts to the north,the southeast and southwest will be seeking for division when is shifted to the south, northerners will be complaining.
When Jonathan was president The Ibos never agaitated as soon as it is shifted to the north the agitation started.
Please let's come together and reason as one Nigeria and dialogue.

Wake up from your slumber, Nigeria is not your country. Nigeria is the country you stole from Lugard. You also stole the name from Lugards wife, Flora Shaw. If you want a country, go out there and find it like Ojukwu and Kanu rather than claim the creation of other people as your own.

Im an Igbo man and looking for my own country by way of referendum.

Go and find your country

MediumStout:
Smart man cashing in on the emotional weakness of the igbo's. Biafra is indeed a billion dollar investment that people like Kanu and Uwazuruike will always feed from. Only God knows how much Kanu had received in donations for his noise on biafra. What a way to scam easy targets

Igbos are generally tired of 'one Nigeria'

I feel ashamed that my fellow Igbos can still in this 21st century still engaging in any form of jungle justice.

It is quite disgraceful that no Nigerian Government has ever come out to take a bold stance against jungle justice

“For daring to take such a course of action, Lt.-Col. Victor Banjo, Major Emmanuel ifeajuna, Samuel Agbam and Major Alale were labelled as traitors, accused of wanting to overthrow the Biafran administration, court martial, and executed (Ottah 1981).” At the end, these four men were right. Biafra lost the war because it was ill prepared and because one man, Ojukwu, was chasing a pipe dream.

This is a blatant lie. Have forgotten that Ojukwu released Banjo and housed in Government House as his personal guest. It is unfortunate that many people still do not know why Ojukwu executed Banjo, Ifeajuna, Alale and Agbam. The writter ignorantly called it 'trumped up' charges. The real reason why Ojukwu executed these men was because they had plotted to topple Ojukwu. The full story of the coup plot plus the transcripts of their trial and the evidence that nailed them can be seen in a book called "No Place to Hide: Crises and Conflicts Inside Biafra" by Bernard Odogwu.

Odogwu was a Biafran intelligence officer who secretly recorded Banjo and Ifeajuna putting finishing touches to their coup plot including how they would arrest Ojukwu at Enugu Government House.

Banjo was arrested, tried and executed for coup plotting.

I want to tell the writter that it is the inalinable right of people to self determination. I have a right as an Igbo man to decide if I want to be Nigerian or not. To deny me that right is to call me a prisoner. What Kanu, IPOB/MASSOB are calling for is a referendum, not war. It is Nigeria that brings war into the issue of Biafra. The Biafran agitators have not hurt or killed anyone. Infact, it is them that have been brutalised and killed, yet they remain peaceful.

Nigeria is just a mere colonial creation.of the whiteman, it is not my fathersland. Let the Government of Nigeria respect the peoples right to self determination and grant them referendum, brute force cannot be used to keep Nigeria together forever

Cooly100:
Nigerian is unlikely to concede the former Eastern Region (which is the definitive geo-polity frequently portrayed as Biafra by its promoters) as the breakaway enclave. It will not give up the oil and gas resources that feed its treasury with free rent. It is also unlikely that the non-South Easterners will sign to be included in the Biafra. So, it is far safer for the Biafra activists to scale down their geo-political boundaries to a landlocked South East. That being so, I dare say that being landlocked is not the end of the world. Switzerland, Austria, Botswana and Rwanda are landlocked, yet they are either developed or rapidly developing countries within their continents.

Anybody who knows about Biafra knows it has never been just about Igbos. Biafra is about Igbos and the minorities who are comfortable with Igbos. There are about 50 tribes in the South of Nigeria, the writter is assuming to know what all of them want as regards the issue of Biafra and this wrong. Nobody should make that assumption that all the minorities dont want Biafra. That is why everyone wants a referendum so we can get peoples opinion.

Those who are predicting doom for a landlocked Biafra could be seriously mistaken. During the war, when the population of the defunct Biafra was largely on the run, there was no fuel scarcity. Biafran scientists created machines and technologies to fight the war and keep the system running. A peaceful, landlocked Biafra, with the sheer power of the Igbo creative might unleashed, can only take-off like a rocket, though the initial stages will be very trying. Biafra might become the first African country to export the type of technologies that we currently buy from Europe, America and Asia to African countries within ten years.

Let us assume for a second that all the minorities rejects Biafra in a referendum and it all about Igbos. The thing about many Nigerians is that they have come to believe that Igbos are only indigenous to 5 states. They find had to understand that Igbos/Igboids are indigenous to Benue, Delta, Rivers and even somewhat Edo. If all the these Igbo/Igboids, particularly Ikwerre, decide in a referendum that they feel better with their Igbo kin in Biafra, then Biafra will not be landlocked. However, assuming that Biafra is only the 5 Igbo states, it will be landlocked but still have access to the Sea. Anambra, Abia and Imo have tributaries that run into the Athlantic Ocean and River ports can be built there. Being landlocked is what is important, what is important is having access to the Sea

People should always remember that it is not natural resources that make a country great but its human resources of which the Igbo boast one of the most premium qualities in Africa. Even at that, the resources (oil, gas, coal, limestone and others) are there in enough quantities to serve the needs of the republic. On the other hand, Biafra could run into an initial face-off between factions such as IPOB and MASSOB for supremacy. MASSOB might claim it restarted the struggle that won the independence while IPOB which is far more radical could claim to be the group that won the independence. If this is not sorted out amicably, Biafra could face the South Sudan scenario between President Salva Kiir and his estranged Deputy, Riek Machar, though the South Sudan conflict is mostly ethnic-based as opposed to the fact that Biafra will be a country of a homogenous ethnic stock.

The vision of Biafra is not that of Oil or mineral wealth, it is one of developing human potential.

Another scenario is that Igbo property left behind in Nigeria will probably be confiscated. States can make laws to appropriate them. That is a sacrifice the Igbos who own property in Nigeria outside the South East must be prepared to make. You cannot eat your cake and have it. Nigerians will likely tell you that “out is out”, as the Europeans are telling Britain after Brexit. Igbos who refuse to relocate to their country will be dehumanised as unwanted foreigners. Ndi Igbo, faced with the South East as Biafra, must be ready to start life afresh from the scratch, with the firm determination never to repeat the mistakes that makes Nigeria unworkable.

It defies logic when some people believe that the emergence of Biafra will lead to the Confiscation of properties and assets of Biafrans. This is not possible in a democracy. It is not possible for a Government to sieze the assets of a person just because the person isnt a citizen. Thats like saying that the cement plant Dangote started in Tanzania in 2015 can be siezed at any time by Tanzania simply because Dangote isnt Tanzanian. It also means that people are not allowed to invest outside the country they citizen too? All investments are protected under international law and a property cannot be siezed if no laws have been broken. Nigeria may request the exodus of Biafrans to their homeland but that is the price to pay for freedom and self determinatiion.

The break away of Biafra will likely lead to a break-up of the rest of this otherwise blessed nation.

Not really, only Biafrans have shown any seriousness about being independent. When Biafra goes, whoever is left will have to face the North in their own struggle for independence, which may not work out.

With a leg of the Tripod gone, the rest of the superstructure cannot stand for long. With the Igbo people gone to their own country, it is unlikely that the Yoruba people will like to live under the servitude of the North. They will become a very vulnerable junior partner to Arewa, a situation they are unlikely to live with for long. They will also want to go and form their own country. They already have fantastic natural geopolitical advantages which they will simply leverage on and move on with their lives. But will the North also allow them to go in peace? The Ijaw nation, in particular, is likely to assert its independence.

The North will, like Biafra, become landlocked. If Biafra goes, there is no way the rest of the country will continue happily ever after. Nigeria is like an intricately knitted fabric. Cut the thread at any point and the rest will come undone. At this point, we probably have the last opportunity to sort out the problems militating against genuine unity in our country.

Time is running out on Nigeria as we know it. Already, the hearts of majority of Igbo people have left Nigeria. It will take some earth-shaking measures to bring them back. It has nothing to do with giving them an “Igbo president”. If, for instance, the ruling All Progressives Congress, APC, in a most unlikely scenario, picks any of such individuals as Chris Ngige, Ogbonnaya Onu, Rochas or Okorocha Ken Nnamani to stand as a figurehead president, they will call Sokoto, Katsina or Kaduna every morning to take instructions for their daily work. It will make no difference for the Igbo or Nigeria.

There is no alternative to restructuring Nigeria to allow the federating units the freedom to develop at their respective paces within the overall Nigerian commonwealth. The Nigerian people need freedom. That is the irreducible minimum for real change. If restructuring will not be possible, then let those who believe Igbo people will die if granted Biafra join hands in granting them independence. Allow them to “go and die” and see if they will actually die or become the toast of the African continent within the lifetime of most of us!

Ochereome Nnanna

Read more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/06/likely-scenarios-biafra-goes/

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BiafraBushBoy:
Someone that has killed countless number of people??

Where is your conscience??

If I were there, I will pull out his dickk with my hands!!

And burst his balls one by one

When have you seen this sort of thing done in civilised countries like America and the UK? But as a backward African, you still support jungle justice

The shape of the head of the president of Ghana is something else

dyydxx:
You need too, Scotland was already a country in its own right before joining England in what was known the act of the Union in 1707.

That only exposes Nigeria as a fraud since no one ever agreed to be part of it.

JohnXcel:
Then they would have to go home.

Although the extent of the boundaries of ''home'' would have to be defined by Biafra and the authorities of those regions (Delta, Rivers, Benue and Edo).

What do you mean go home? You mean that Igbo clans that were put in Benue such as the Umu- Ezeokaha people should abandon the land of their fore- fathers just because they were carved into Benue?

ProWalker:
They should move in with their kinsmen in the core igbo states.

You mean that they should leave their ancestral lands and move just because Nigeria created states? So the Igalas of Anambra should leave their ancestral lands and move to Kogi? The Idomas of Enugu should leave thwrw lands and move move to Benue?

JohnXcel:
We in the South West (The Yorubas) have always believed that brains, intelligence and reasoning will always beat brawns and braggadocio, particularly when it comes to politics.

But realistically, we can't expect all tribes (or group of people) to think and act the same way; though using the vehicle of hate, lies and insults is deplorable and inexcusable.

If the South East (The Igbos) want out, let them push for a referendum for their core SE states and have their Biafra.

And what happens to Igbos in the not so core states such as Delta, Rivers, Benue and Edo?

I wont miss anything about Nigeria, that Green-White-Green flag gives one depression

jpphilips:
The bad news is that every Biafran arguement you have ever put up falls below logic, no sane igbo man will jump on your band wagon when reality sets in (Note: I don't count keke drivers, okada, petty traders as sound igbo men), I can tell you boldly that you have no clue how sovereignty is gotten, you are yet to take the first step in the process yet making the loudest noise, go get the damn B!afra if you know where it is sold let's have peace, remember that if you succeed, we embrace it, if you fail, shame on you!!

And remind us why you are drinking panadol over other peoples headache?

dyydxx:
Have you read the Scotland act? do you know what lead to devolution of powers? do you even know the type of political system employed in the UK? stop exhibiting crass ignorance! haba...you just keep spewing garbage on an asinine level.

I dont need to know these things, they are secondary. What is important is that Britain respected Scotlands right to self determination

dyydxx:
your myopic deluded opinion exhuming greed and crass ignorance, so you dont know that secession is an act of war.

The agitation will definitely go on in perpetuity.

Secession is an act of war? Really? Its because you are a backward African that you believe that. Even Britain that created Nigeria allowed one of its areas, Scotland, the right of referendum to decide if the want to go or stay.


It is you that the made a 'Nigerian' that is now saying 'secession is an act of war'

etenyong:
I really do not want to believe the authenticity of the proposed Biafra map. In one of their numerous statements, I have seen that they have corralled my homeland into the proposed Biafra enclave asking us to join the so-called sit-at-home protest that has been called.

You see, this if true is not accidental, after all it was our kinsman who waited after the Biafra super hero and lord of the flies flew off to Ivory Coast after the 30-month fratricide that saw millions starve and lose their lives. Maybe that is why this latter-day dreamers feel that it is their right to just ‘command’ us to join this their one-legged campaign.

Let me state here categorically that no Akwa Ibom man, dead or alive is in the least interested in this your Biafra Project, so please leave us alone to continue our suffering in this our one Nigeria.

We are content with our minority status and would continue to provide the Nigerian people with our delicacies and goodwill if nothing else. How for heaven’s sake do you sit in your fathers’ living rooms and draw up a map without even consulting with the people you are trying to take out of a whole country.

You see why I have always felt that this so-called Biafra push is a mere distraction at best and a comic turn of events at the worst and should not be taken seriously by any right-thinking Nigerian. Nigeria stands a much better chance of providing the very best in human life to its citizens as one solid country once we get leadership right.

I keep saying it and nobody especially these Igbo Jews seems to be listening that the issue is not in separation but in bad and ineffective leadership which cuts across the whole country not leaving out any region. So my dear Biafra agitators, please leave us alone o, we are really not interested.

Thank you for the concern. We are happy where we are even as we wish you well in your mission.

COPIED

Laughable. The same person who is saying that Biafrans should not put his area in to the map of Biafra has complained thst Lugard put them into the map of Nigeria. He has not complained military leaders drew the map of Akwa Ibom without his his permission. But as soon as he sees the Biafran map, that when he suddenly remembers he has a voice.

He is now here, claiming to be the spokesman for all of Akwai Ibom. If he feels that Akwa Ibom doesnt care about Biafra, then he should not be afraid of referendum

dyydxx:
The most unfortunate part of your claptrap is that you genuinely believe this your concoctions. it's only experience that will teach you guys. As Ag President Osinbajo rightly said only fools refuse to learn from history and need experience to learn what wise people see from afar.



Does this your statement even make any iota of sense. Anyway I would say this, when you have strong convictions on the direction a country should take and you have two unyielding divergent views, only a civil war would settle issues. I will remind you of the American Civil War where the late great Abraham Lincoln thought it was better to nip slavery in the bud and let it die a natural death rather than expand it into the New territories, the Southern Confederates vehemently disagreed and opted to unilaterally declare secession by taking over American Federal Government Assets, Abraham Lincoln would not yield and the rest is history

So sit back, relax and let the whole thing play out and to the victor goes the spoils.

Its quite unfortunate that Nigerians believe in going to war to preserve a mere British colonial contraption which they call their country. In more civilised countries, the question of unity is decided in referendum, not the battlefield.

Dont use the American civil war in relation to the Nigerian civil war. The American civil war was about ending slavery, the Nigerian civil was about propagating slavery. No wonder IPOB still agitate for freedom to this day

freshest4live:
If the Biafrans in those five states with Governors could not do something close to that at least, then why are you so confident your hypothetical Biafra would be different?

Hey, Biaf4a is not about 5 states like many of yoy have been led to believe. Because things like this cant be done under the Nigerian system.

dyydxx:
only Ojukwu 2.0 will make you see reason

In any case be man enough not to disguise as a woman and escape to Ivory Coast when you castles in the air all collapse with stark reality facing you. At least, since you are hell bent on towing ojukwu's path it's only smart you outdo him in courage and wait for your waterloo in stride

Hmmmmmm...... so you Nigerians are ready to go to war a second time in other to be with us?

If it was us, we would never go to war to be with you Nigerians as we dont think you people are important.

dyydxx:
apart from that the igbo elites would never leave there fate with Nmandi kanu. I have followed with keen interest the discussions between you and kingzizzy and the other extremely delusional pro biafra agitators. The level of ignorance is appalling and the fact that they revel in illusions and assumptions just make it tragically comical when you consider there are human lives involved. This exponential foolishness is on a scale that is disturbing and one wonders conditions that lead to this kind of thinking. it's just super sad.

There is no delusion on the part of Biafrans, afterall, self determination is the universal right of all people.

The only delusion here is with Nigerians who think that it is the job of Lugard to come from Europe to give them their country.

Running an outdated, unworkable, retrogressive, divided British colonial contraption called 'one Nigeria' and wondering why everyone does not see the beauty of its faliure.

I laugh in Igbo

EzeUche:
This can never happen in a million years in Nigeria, but it could happen in Biafra.

Did you say 'could'? It will happen in Biafra!

Nightshift:
I could be wrong though, but I wonder how an outsider could know much about Igbo dialects and surname structures. These are things known mostly by natives.

Probably an Afonja who did his NYSC in Enugu state and got to know the place well in the one year he was there.

Rossikki:
OP, have you any idea how many Nigerian Police officers have been killed and injured in shootouts against armed robbers in the last 30 years?

In other words, have you any idea how many Nigerian policemen have given their lives to protect you and your family, and keep you safe while you sleep like a baby at night?

Do you know it runs into thousands?

Do you know it is those underpaid policemen you scorn, that are the ones blocking armed robbers from raiding your house tonight?

Can you do what they do? Patrol the streets at 3am, often with sub-standard weapons, looking for armed robbers to confront?

Look, Mr Man, we can criticise the police all we want, but we must never ever ignore or downplay the fundamental service they render to us, and the huge sacrifices they make. For that we are grateful.

I have a rough idea how many IPOB the Nigerian Police have shot

Nightshift:
Lots of young and naive Igbo boys here! They are all foolishly dividing themselves into Wawa, Agbenu, Ngwa, Anam, Osu, Ohu, and Nwadiala factions. Pray you deranged folks do not plunge Ndigbo into a clannish war of shame!

Tufikwa!!

No thats an Afonja with 2 different handles. He is using two of them to argue with himself, talk about Wawa and disparage Igbos. He is is hoping to attract Igbos into a fight and derail the thread