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Michael547:
■ Yes I believe Jesus statement. So did Jesus meant that God programmed the devil to tell lies. The same God that said that we should not lie, right? Yes or no?

You believe Jesus Christ's statement but still you don't believe what Jesus Christ said.... see confusion!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Michael547:
■ Ok let's say the beginning was when he was created. Now the question. So Jesus meant that God programmed the devil to tell lies. The same God that said that we should not lie, right? Yes or no?

Again, my question remains do you not believe Jesus Christ when He(Jesus Christ) declared that the devil has been a liar from his(the devil's) beginning — not someone else's beginning but his?

Michael547:
■ So when is this 'beginning'? Is it from when he was created by God? Or from when he became the devil? Which one sir.

Ehn! So, the Devil had more than one beginning and Jesus Christ was obviously not aware of this?

Michael547:
■ How do you know the tilte has no connection to Jesus Christ since you don't even know the meaning of the word. No be brain damage be that?

So, Jesus Christ used or even spoke the very term Himself, abi? It is no longer the Pagans in Antioch who first used it. See serious brain damage abeg! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Michael547:
■ If I am to believe your insinuation of this verse, it means that Jesus said God programmed the devil to tell lies. The same God that said that we should not lie, right?

Not once have I ever asked you to believe my insinuation though so I am not certain what you are on about there!

Again, my question remains do you not believe Jesus Christ when He declared that the devil has been a liar from his(the devil's) beginning — not someone else's beginning but his?

Michael547:
■ I never said a person who bears the title belonged to the kingdom of God. It seems you are confused. The question is, If the title has nothing to do with Jesus Christ, how come the word 'christ' is embedded in the word 'Christian'?

I am afraid that is exactly what you are asking me here. The title has no direct connection to Jesus Christ yet you continue to assert that it should somehow matter that the word Christ is contained in it. No be brain damage be that?

Michael547:
■ So Jesus meant that God programmed the devil to tell lies. The same God that said that we should not lie, right?

Again, do you not believe Jesus Christ when He declared that the devil has been a liar from His beginning — not someone else's beginning but his?

Michael547:
■ If the title has nothing to do with Jesus Christ, how come the word 'christ' is embedded in the word 'Christian'?

Is that like foolishly asking me whether a man named Christian by his parents belongs to the Kingdom of God and Jesus Christ because the word "Christ" is embedded in his name?

Michael547:
■ Ok......so where did Jesus say that the devil is programmed by God as you've said here on Nairaland?

Huh? Let me instead ask you this. Is it that you instead believe that Jesus Christ lied when He said that the devil has been a liar from his very beginning or what? Or is it that you have never in fact read this at all from within the gospels which you pretend you know?

Michael547:
■ Let's agree that all of them are liars like you've said. I've seen you talk about the bible here on nairaland. Do you speak the truth?

LOL... I say what Jesus Christ said. Did Jesus Christ at some point cease to be the Truth of God Himself? Is Jesus Christ no longer the Truth of God?

Michael547:
■ Ok....is it wrong for one to bear the title 'Christian' today?

I am sorry but are you not able to reason these things or what? The title has nothing to do with Jesus Christ who never called His followers by that name so what the fk does it matter whether you wish to go by it or not?

Michael547:
■ You claim the name was given to Jesus disciples by pagans na. So is it wrong for one to call himself a Christian today? Infact, what is the meaning of the word 'Christian'?

Again, What the fk does it matter whether you wish to be regarded by the term or not though? what the fk does it matter what the meaning of the word is?

Michael547:
■ So what is the meaning of the word 'Christian'?

What the fk does it matter what the meaning of the word is though?

Michael547:
■ Of course I would say Jesus is not a liar. Oga Kobojunkie are you a liar when it comes to the bible?

So, we both agree then that as Jesus Christ said, all of your gods of men are liars and thieves. Case closed!

Michael547:
■It therefore means that either the JWs are lying or the other pastors who themselves are not even in agreement too are lying. So please do you know which one of these groups is telling the truth?

Or both of them are liars like Jesus Christ instead said. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 So, is Jesus Christ the liar in this case?

elhakiimed:
Disclaimer: My posts are not to spite you nor your faith. I'm here for mature mutually respectful discussions, but please don't test my patience.
Here goes nothing:
Although, I don't believe in Jesus crucifixion in the way that Christians do (Mulsims belief it wasn't Jesus crucified, and he was instead raised alive amd his appearance cast on someone else), I'm curious about some details in your narration.
The Bible contains passages that reflect Jesus’ emotions and hesitations about his impending crucifixion. One of the most poignant examples is found in the Garden of Gethsemane, where Jesus prays to God expressing his distress and seeking another way if possible.
Matthew 26:36-46: Jesus says, “My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.” This passage shows Jesus’ deep sorrow and his request to avoid the suffering if there is another way
Mark 14:36: Echoing a similar sentiment, Jesus prays, “Abba, Father, all things are possible for you. Take this cup away from me; yet not what I will, but what you will.”
Luke 22:42: Again, Jesus expresses his desire for the suffering to be taken away, saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me; nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.”
These verses are evident of Jesus's fear of death, which insinuates his life and death isn't in his hands, as is supposed of a God.
Please clarify.

Like every other character out there to gain full understanding you have to read the entire story, not just bits and pieces which you pick from here and there.
▶ The prophecies said He would be born and then He would die at the hands of His people. Jesus Christ came knowing and accepting this.

14-15 “I am the shepherd who cares for the sheep. I know my sheep just as the Father knows me. And my sheep know me just as I know the Father. I give my life for these sheep.
16 I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future there will be one flock and one shepherd.
17 The Father loves me because I give my life. I give my life so that I can get it back again.
18 No one takes my life away from me. I give my own life freely. I have the right to give my life, and I have the right to get it back again. This is what the Father told me.” - John 10 vs 14 - 18

▶ As for the cup of poison, the cup filled with God's anger and wrath, no one who loves God desires such a cup. Death is one thing but God's anger and wrath is a completely different thing. Of course, Jesus Christ prayed against it if it was God's Will to take it from Him that is.

17 Wake up! Wake up! Jerusalem, get up! The Lord was very angry with you. So you were punished. It was like a cup of poison you had to drink, and you drank it all.
18 Jerusalem had many people, but none of them became leaders for her. None of the children she raised became guides to lead her.
19 Troubles came to you, Jerusalem, in pairs: Your land was destroyed and lies in ruins, and your people suffered from famine and war. But no one felt sorry for you or showed you mercy.
20 Your people became weak. They fell on the ground and lay there. They were lying on every street corner, like animals caught in a net. They were punished by the Lord’s anger until they could not accept any more punishment. When God said he would give them more punishment, they became very weak.
21 Listen to me, poor Jerusalem. You are weak like a drunk, but you are not drunk from wine. You are weak from that “cup of poison.”
22 Your God is the one who fights for his people. He is your Lord God, and he says to you, “Look, I am taking this ‘cup of poison’ away from you. It is full of my anger, and I am taking it out of your hand. You will not be punished by my anger again.
23 I will now use my anger to punish the people who hurt you. They tried to kill you. They told you, ‘Bow down before us, and we will walk on you.’ They forced you to bow down before them, and then they walked on your back like dirt. You were like a road for them to walk on.” - Isaiah 51 vs 17 - 23

▶ The cup of God's wrath is meant for those who are cursed by God, particularly those who have sinned against God of Israel, YHWH.

14 “They will say, ‘Why are we just sitting here? Come, let’s run to the strong cities. If the Lord our God is going to make us die, then let’s die there. We have sinned against the Lord, so he has given us poisoned water to drink.
15 We hoped to have peace, but nothing good has come. We hoped that he would forgive us, but only disaster has come.
16 From the land of the tribe of Dan, we hear the snorting of the enemy’s horses. The ground shakes from the pounding of their hooves.
They have come to destroy the land and everything in it. They have come to destroy the city and all the people who live there.’”
17 “People of Judah, I am sending poisonous snakes[c] to attack you. These snakes cannot be controlled. They will bite you.” This message is from the Lord. - Jeremiah 8 vs 14 - 17

Jesus Christ sensibly did not want to drink the wrath of His Father and that was the reason why He asked if the Father could remove it from Him.

Jamestaiwo:
■ If you really want to understand, you can message me on WhatsApp +2348149442619

I am not a whatsapp fan, I am afraid!

Perfect12:
■ Is possible in this kingdom, Daddy G.O is an anointed man of God so anything that had ever come in contact with him can healed any kind of diseases. Elisha's rod raised the dead child of a shunamite woman, Elijah mantle parted river Jordan, these things are not new to us in the kingdom, the Lord regn forever

Notice how you completely BYPASSED Jesus Christ— who heralded the end the age of anointings and all the blessings of the Old Law of Moses— entirely in your desperate attempt to create a reason for the scam that is this god of man? Why do you people choose to wallow in Ignorance for Pete's sake? Jesus Christ proclaimed that He was the last anointed Prophet of God, but no, you just had to turn Jesus Christ into a liar all so you could glorify this man over Him.

NothingDoMe:
Miracles still exist. 👍

Yes, even Babalawos boast of making them happen.

wonlasewonimi:
Lord of lamba

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Livingdeath:
■ did jesus christ come down from heaven to build it? is it not through men that he built it?
■ the apostles preached the gospel where ever they went
■ and assigned church elders in each place

1. Um.... Jesus Christ never asked any man to build edifices or even church buildings using His name. He never commanded any man to collect money in His name. So, if you are under the impression that the church of Jesus Christ is some building or building somewhere, you are mistaken. Jesus Christ never built anything through men. He told you that He will build His church. So, the question is why do you not believe Him?

2. Jesus Christ specifically instructed His followers to go out and teach that which He already taught them to obey — His commandments and teachings, not some other person's. So, any "gospel" that differed from that which Jesus Christ taught His followers to speak using His name is a lie!

3. Jesus Christ never asked anyone to assign "church elders" using His name. So, what you see as the apostles assigning "church elders" is something that has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ made that in His Kingdom, not only are all equal, but
also those of them who love Him are those who obey His teachings and commandments. Nowhere in His Gospel Law of Jesus Christ will you find this assigning of church leaders instruction so why the conclusion that the disciples must have done it for Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ never aligned Himself with religion. He distanced Himself from them beginning with the very one that existed during His time, the same religion which His Father before Him had condemned - Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 31 & John 10 vs 7 - 16. He condemned the doctrines and traditions of men as being nothing but lies meant to delude the many away from the Truth of God - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13.

But, Christianity boasts of being modeled after the very same religion that Jesus Christ disavowed. Any wonder why it equally boasts of over 47,000 different lies referred to as interpretations all designed to diddle with the mind of those who would seek God's Truth.

Livingdeath:
■ matthew 16:18 christ builds his church through his followers.
■ revelation 2 tells us of how christ gives words of advice to his churches.

Christ never said He builds His own church through His followers. He instead said He would build His own church on this rock.

17 Jesus answered, “You are blessed, Simon son of Jonah. No one taught you that. My Father in heaven showed you who I am.
18 So I tell you, you are Peter. And I will build my church on this rock. The power of death will not be able to defeat my church.
19 I will give you the keys to God’s kingdom. When you speak judgment here on earth, that judgment will be God’s judgment. When you promise forgiveness here on earth, that forgiveness will be God’s forgiveness.” - Matthew 16 vs 17 - 19

The fancy interpretation fed to you by your gods of men is just that, a fancy interpretation. Jesus Christ was instead speaking there of Himself, the Rock of ages, and His Church, the one He builds by His own hands and Will/Law.

1 “Skies, listen and I will speak. Earth, hear the words of my mouth.
2 My teachings will come like the rain, like a mist falling to the ground, like a gentle rain on the soft grass, like rain on the green plants.
3 Praise God as I speak the Lord’s name!
4 “The Lord is the Rock, and his work is perfect! Yes, all his ways are right! God is true and faithful. He is good and honest. -Deuteronomy 32 vs 4

The rock that is God has never been of men but of God and His Law.

2. I am afraid that the fancy interpretation you have there, of the content expressed in a dream/vision format given to the person of John before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, is just that, another fancy interpretation of content instead expressed in dream/vision format. Christianity alone is filled with over 47,000 such fancy interpretations, all of which do not align with Scripture.

Livingdeath:
so...the Israelites venerated Moses and the prophets? since they quoted moses laws and that of the prophets.

God of Israel chose the Prophets as His mouthpiece in Israel and the prophets never raised their opinions or lives above or as being of equal importance as God's Law.

Jesus Christ, on the other hand, proclaimed that He alone is the Teacher, Shepherd, Prophet/Head/Authority/Master, etc. in the Kingdom of God. He did not choose any man to be His mouthpiece. Rather, He sent His followers to teach others to obey the very same Law which He had given to them. So when you quote the opinions of men such as Paul, John, etc, opinions not directly connected with that stated by Jesus Christ Himself in His name, you violate Jesus Christ.

Livingdeath:
6.Chrislam: mr pope has disobeyed the Bible. paul warned against christians being influenced by pagan religions 2 corinthians 6:14-18

This is a clear example of the problem I mentioned earlier. You fault the Catholics for venerating the dead yet here you are quoting a dead man who has yet to be judged by God. Veneration of the dead isn't just that which the catholic do but even that which all other religions do when they quote a man as though he is some sort of god over them. 😂😂😂😂

Livingdeath:
[b] 7.the Vatican: [/b]nothing good comes from Rome! that evil empire who is the fourth beast in Daniel's book,who captured God's people and forced them to pay taxes?who attempted to kill baby jesus?who killed john the baptist?who crucified the Lord?who persecuted the apostles and believers?who slayed a number of christians in the year 1555 to 1559 by a pope?
I cannot go back to catholic church,i have seen their dark secrets,these stuffs I listed are just few of false catholic teaching. I dont want to go to hell ooo.

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Dude, nothing good comes from Religion and Nigeria is a clear example of this too! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 So, you should not just run from Rome but religion in its entirety!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

shortgun:
I think you should first listen to the sermon where he said God is not a killer for context

You mean this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTETTbY-Ro0?si=6eI-e2-6fbpsQNhr

Jamestaiwo:
■ Good doesn't kill. The Scripture has to be explained in the light of Christ. The Character of God is perfectly known in Christ because Jesus is the image of God. I really want to shed more light on this, if you are willing to learn, Mr. Shortgun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTETTbY-Ro0?si=6eI-e2-6fbpsQNhr

Go for it since I wish to understand how any of what this man says fits into your understanding of Scripture. Just bear in mind that God is Satan's Master and everything Satan does, he does following the programming installed in Him by His Master. So, explain "God doesn't kill" in light of this as well.

Livingdeath:
5.the eternal virginity and veneration of Mary: Mary doesnt deserve all what catholics do to her.wait now and think,imagine if the actual Mary we know from the bible suddenly comes to our modern world and sees all the statues and rosaries,she will never accept such! her Magnificat tells us who she was. a lowly servant of God thriving to do God's will and she acknowledged herself as a sinner by calling God her savior. catholics twist the Bible too much,it is so clear that Mary had other kids apart from jesus,then why he marry her in the first place? matthew 1:25

5. Yeah, that sheet is messed up but the same can be said of the way Christians from other sects worship their many gods of men and the virginity of women as well. God of Israel never said nor indicated that holiness or righteousness was somehow bestowed on a woman on grounds of never having sex. That worship or glorification of virginity which is observed in pretty much all denominations of Christianity is extra-Scriptural, and is observed even in numerous other religions particularly those with clearly occult leanings.

The entirety of Christianity is guilty as far as the twisting of Scripture so don't for even a moment pretend the Catholics are alone in it. The very foundation of what you call Christianity today was laid on the lies of catholicism and it continues to this day to be a religion founded on the lies of men and not an ounce of the Truth of God of Israel or Jesus Christ.

Livingdeath:
4.asking intercession from the dead in christ: hebrews 4:14-16 tells us that we have christ as our perfect high priest,the Bible tells us that he along with the Spirit intercedes on our behalf...then why do we need the 'saints'?they cant even hear you. and the dead should not be interferring with the living. Abraham explains that the people have the prophets to guide them not some dead guy luke 16:27-29

4. Jesus Christ is the King forever. He died rose from the grave and ascended to Heaven as is. His disciples, however, all eventually died. And when you consider that much of Christianity is founded, not on the teachings of Jesus Christ but rather on the musings of the minds of His dead disciples — dead men—, you realize that what the Catholics do isn't that much different from what the rest of Christianity equally does, which is veneration of dead men. Yes, the average Christian can quote— out of context, of course — the words of Paul, James, and John, but the same cannot even recite at least 10 commandments and teachings of Jesus Christ, the one who never died.

Catholicism isn't the only guilty denomination in this case. All sects of Christianity are to be equally faulted even in this. Religion has absolutely nothing to do with God of Israel or Jesus Christ given that the many doctrines and traditions of men are lies when compared to the Word of God - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13.

Livingdeath:
3. the infallibility of the pope: only God is infallible,then why is the pope claiming that for himself? anyone who says he is not a sinner calls God a liar .

3. Where Jesus Christ instead declared that all men and women are equal in the Kingdom of God- Matthew 23 vs 8 - 10-, we know that in every denomination of Christianity, and all other religions out there, their gods of men — popes, imams, priests, Bishops, GBS, Daddy GOs, Spiritual Fathers, Monks, etc. — are men who are held in higher regard and considered near 'infallible' by their many worshippers. Come on now... Catholicism isn't alone in this regard either.

Religion has absolutely nothing to do with God of Israel or Jesus Christ given that the many doctrines and traditions of men are lies when compared to the Word of God - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13.

Livingdeath:
2. salvation through the church: the Catholic church teaches that coming to mass,going for confession etc and other 'works' of charity is what will save you where as the bible teaches faith in jesus is what will save

2. Jesus Christ never asked His followers to build churches using His name, and He never commanded anyone to attend what you would call church services in His Name. So, while faulting Catholicism, you should equally fault all of Christianity as well as all religions in this too.

Religion has absolutely nothing to do with God of Israel or Jesus Christ given that the many doctrines and traditions of men are lies when compared to the Word of God - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13.

Livingdeath:
1. long process of exorcism: catholic priests use candles,rosaries,relics,holy water and the likes just to cast out demons where as the apostles did so in his name alone.

1. How is the catholic process any different from the "deliverance" process of the other Christian denominations though? Jesus Christ and His disciples never spent what seemed more than a moment or two when it came to commanding demons out of individuals. However, in your Christian religion, the process and rituals consume so much time and energy, a tradition that is common with most religions.