₦airaland Forum

Ngwakwe: How will the dust oozing out from the road over time be managed considering high temperature and low humidity in our clime?

At a speed of 120km/h the vehicle behind yours may have visibility problem when the road starts degenerating.

Good post.

...and let me add that with the present extremely high cost of cement, l am wondering if it will be affordable for ordinary folks, to use in building their house?

Nnna, this kin innovation could turn out to be a two-edged sword!

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My Tenacity!

I can make ANYTHING happen, once l put my mind to it.

It frieghtens me at times though with aging, l gradually took control.
You need to observe me when l was a teenager!

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Just mention "TOLL GATE WILL BE IMPLEMENTED" ..... and you will see ALL these Roads completed like Yesterday!

You understand now......

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oluface: Becareful of those He_Goats called Local Goverment Traffic Waden. If you make any slight mistake where them dey Na 20k with beg oo. Those Yaba Loacal Government Waden Alway put on Brown Uniform with the Name of Yaba Local Government on it. They are everywhere. Their own pass police own o.

Remember to run them over, if they jump in front of moving vehicle.

[quote author=Yoshi-Master]There are some psychos that drive some milo cans on wheels, they are the danfo drivers, with their "I don't give a F.U.K" mentality, and their F.U.K.E.D up metal containers.

Beware of these ones if you love your ride, because these psychos can't afford to repair your ride if they bash it.[/quote]Danfo bash me, l put the driver in my boot, .... off l go!

Except he can produce the repair sum, fast-fast.

[quote author=Road_Lord]Talking about Stallion,

Who are the owners of this company?

Do you really need another company to set up an assembly plant?

The problem with our policies is that they are only intended to enrich some purses. Government just paint a picture of trying to better Nigerians.

When NCC introduced SIM registeration, the perception was that by now, kidnapping will be impossible cos all SIMs will be traceable. What do we have today?

Our plate numbers suddenly wasn't good enough.
Obj's national I'd cards.
Rebranding Nigeria
There is a brand of motorcycle that is now allowed in Lagos. To mention a few.

Any policy that has selfish motive is bound to fail.

I urge government to continue. But a man living in a glass house should remember the man living in mud house. The day he gets angry, all he would need is small mud.[/quote]O wii'ree! The Oracle has spoken.

God bless you.

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Good move to start from somewhere. Before long, we should be manufacturing, as the knowledge "transfers".

But wait, should we not have started assembling say for one year at least, before banning the Tokunboh cars?
Talk of putting the cart, before the Horse!

Before we all get carried away, l am wondering where the "electricity" to run the power plant is?

Even in houses where people live, electricity rationing and load shedding (4hrs ON, 20Hrs OFF!) is still the order of the day.

I just wish we can tackle this "Demon and Spirit" (respects to FFK ) of power failures/shortage so that laudable projects like these can really be sustained and improved upon.
Assembly plant wont be shutting down and starting when power goes. like our mortuaries o!

"To whom much is given, much is certainly expected"!

My fingers are crossed in prayer.

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kofoshi: I have renewed hope that there are indeed intelligent non partisan individuals who can look at an issue and give critical analysis and unbiased response. I am glad also that you did not stoop to the lowly level of the Fashola's town criers. It is always refreshing to read a balanced view unlike this degenerative low lives who only see bullying as a way to ram their disjointed views down everyone's throat. I am utterly appalled by the gutter language employed to subdue any reasonable voice that counters their lies.

Thank you for your maturity and please do not feel overrun by these sycophants. Shame they do worse than they accuse the likes of Beaf and Sincer9igerian for. The are all as bad as each other and dare I say that these Yoruba mob is far worse!

Believe me, the likes of Gbawe, Sloan, Agbameta and the 40-i-Pad crew are not real Yorubas!
In every tribe you have their likes (sycophants and shameless praise-singers) .......and they dont represent such tribe.

Dont humor them by making them think they are intimidating anyone around here, its just that "one should not argue with fools less their wont be any distinction between "both"".

As a born and bred of Lagos, to a few generations back, l can say authoritatively that this "flying car" is no different from the "floating Boat restaurant" which Fashola and Tinubu's cohorts use in siphoning the wealth of Lagosians. That vessel was towed down here with our tax-money all in the name of tourism!
They will claim it is "completely private" but then, here and there, you will see how they have used "public infrastructures and public space" to enhance their own personal profit!

Can you imagine that if for example, l run into some money or loot Lagos treasury and hop off to the U.K ... and then decide: "SINCE IT IS MY MONEY" (Private Initiative or Private Money as those clowns refer to it), that l want to build a Project (May be a mansion) and the people in that area "have no say or benefit from it or majority of the Brits do not benefit from it!

You think the British Councils would not shoot it down very quickly?
I have witnessed were such projects were denied "planning permission" simply because for example, it will "deface the SKY-LINE" or it will "block air-flow to some part of the area or even block the path of sunshine to some resident's house!

That is an environment were people dont just think about the benefit that accrues to THEM ONLY, even when they are investing their private money, ...but consider the 'wider effect' on others who are stake holders in the society.

As long as Gbawe, Agbaameta and these "40-i-Pad otimkpus" get their crumbs from their employers, they are bereft of reasoning and logic.

They may claim to be Lagosians but in reality, they are what the "real Yorubas" will refer to as "Alaa te'nuje, omo okele"
(Boyz of the stomach who thrive on filthy lucre).

They really deserve to be pitied.

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tonychristopher: what do you expect from a yoruba man? They are cowards and talk too much.

Omo-Yiibo, This is exactly why people cant take peeps like you "serious".
You see everything with a "Tribal lense" .....

"Chest-beating and Gra-Gra" never helped anyone, not in the past, not now or in the future!

Please learn from your "past" so you can improve your future.

A word is enough for the wise, ........l know this does not refer to people like you!

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ketoprofen: And how many crashes occurred during the time of[b] ffk[/b]?

NONE, to be precise!



If you have PROOF to the contrary, please place it in here on this forum.

.....and dont forget to add the source because we are not ready to believe just "what anyone says".

Let me add that when FFK was redeployed away from "Minister for Aviation", the Senate set up a commission of enquiry and he was invited for questioning and he reminded them that "very wicked gang people" whom he metaphorically classified as "Demons and Cultists" are responsible for the spate of aircrash in Nigeria, that he did everything humanly possible to tackle that Cabal so much so that NOT A SINGLE AIR CRASH happened under his Ministerial watch.
Now try and beat that.

I dont like FFK one bit and l hate it when l am forced to defend his silly integrity
......but l also hate it more when you people cannot be objective on issues like this

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naaah, no venom at all.
They just took it too personal (see all the essay them join my name put! ) by singling me out, for reasons l dont understand.

Anyway, we are all just putting our opinions across, nothing spoil.

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Funny the way these 40-Laptop/i-Pad crew are giving themselves "backslaps and Hi-fives" when they cant even discern the use of "WE" in this discuss, erroneously attributing it to mean that "the project was funded by ALL OF US"!

See the way they are hyperventilating over the use of a single word "WE"!

It is not in my place to start lecturing folks on the use of grammar and figure of speech, Walahi, l don do that one tire!

If you dont see it, you cant just see it .... it may just mean you're blind!
If you dont get it, you just cant get it, ...you may just be dumb from birth!

Cranially-dwarfed peeps!

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Honestly l am tempted to join issues with the likes of Gbawe and co. but on second thought, l realize that our thought-process are aeons apart.
Peeps like him see development from the narrow perspective that "anyone with the 'cash' can do whatever their heart/mind pleases in a society, irrespective of whether it is for the "larger, collective benefit" or just to make more money/profit.
While l on the other hand, am discussing "building an efficiently cohesive and socially just society", they are trumpeting "profit-oriented albeit exploitative individual investment"!
How can l then thrash out issues with such lowly minds?
I just cant

anonimi: Flashback 2006

Incredible! Occultic Officials In Aviation Ministry Behind Plane Crashes

[quote author=FFK]In another development, former Minister of Aviation, Chief Femi Fani-Kayode, on Monday told the Senate committee probing the N19.5 billion scandal in the aviation sector that the air disasters recorded in 2006 were the handiwork of occult groups operating within the aviation sector.

The former minister said the bloodsucking cult group was also responsible for the difficulties encountered by the government of former President Olusegun Obasanjo in sanitising the aviation industry despite all efforts in that regard.

He said the air accidents which involved the Sosoliso Airline, ADC, Bellview, a military plane and the other air disasters which occurred in Kaduna all within a year in Nigeria were the handiwork of the occultists.

He told the probe panel that there were more to the air disasters than met the eye because some “demons from hell were involved,” adding that former President Obasanjo specifically appointed him to assist Nigeria in containing the incessant plane crashes.

He recounted the frustrations he encountered in his attempt at sanitising the industry, recalling that he once engaged the services of aviation experts from the United States to put a stop to the air disaster only for the efforts to be frustrated.

He recalled how his efforts to set up an independent public inquiry into the air disasters were frustrated by those he described as the dark forces, as he charged the Senate committee to facilitate the setting up of a public enquiry on the rot within the industry.

Fani-Kayode said he found it unbelievable that despite the huge misfortunes suffered by Nigeria in human and material terms from the air disasters, the federal government could not find anyone to hold responsible, a reason he said the problem had continued to persist.

“These dark forces simply did not care that the lives of innocent Nigerians were being endangered by their daily ritual of cutting corners in order to make a bit of extra money. They did not care that their habitual breaking of the rules and regulations would inevitably lead to a monumental and horrific cycle of bloodshed.

“Not only did they not care, but some of them actually enjoyed the prospect: What we were dealing with was a cruel and unconscionable blood cult who derived their power and strength from a frenzied and insatiable lust for blood.

“Is it not strange that not one person has ever been brought to book or held accountable for any of these crashes? No one has ever been sanctioned, indicted or even prosecuted for criminal negligence at the very least. That is how cheap life has become in Nigeria and that is how easily Nigerians forget. The truth is that the questions must still be asked —“What really happened in the Bellview crash?”

Fani-Kayode told the committee that in spite of the battles he had with the cult group within the industry, he was able to put in place some measures such that [size=14pt]his tenure did not record a single plane crash[/size].

The former minister washed his hands of the alleged misappropriation of the N19.5 billion Aviation Intervention Fund, claiming that he rather left N7 billion in the accounts of the ministry at the time he left. [/quote[



http://www.tribune.com.ng/01072008/news/news1.html NigerianTribune newspaper of today.

The same occult groups who made him pay our N15 billion Aviation fund into his personal account

I dont like FFK as a person (for his antecedents during OBJ's tenure), even though l am Yoruba like him but l detest nitwits like you who just for the sake of TRIBAL HATRED, will twist the words of someone, lie brazenly against someone and even try to manipulate facts.... just to score cheap tribal points!

Like FFK, l dont like to banter with women but l am not surprised that you did not see the wisdom in what FFK was saying even in the 'publication' you posted, to NAIL HIM.

Anyone who attended a half-decent school will easily realize that FFK was speaking METAPHORICALLY when he said "Demons and Occultists" were responsible for the air crashes that happened during the discuss with the Senate.

Jezzuz, dont you people study that English textbook "Lexis and structure", in school anymore?

To buttress my point about his "figure of speech" and show that he was not speaking "literally", l have highlighted a few lines in his post.

e.g: 'Those he described as "dark forces", ........."the govt has not been able to hold anyone responsible despite the huge human loss" ......
"initiation of a public inquiry" .......... These "dark forces do not care about the life of anyone" ....... "they engaged in RITUALS of Cutting Corners"
and so one and so forth! Demons dont cut corners to make money, only "humans" do!

He has identified "a group of powerful individuals" who have become "untouchable" and that he referred to them as "a cult of Demons" ... in the sense that their "actions" causes death (spilling of blood via air accidents) and thus "Blood sucking Demons" that he referred to.

FFK even recently, called Stella Oduah "a Vampire" to allude to the fact that she superintends over an Ministry that "spills blood" ..not that she is a 'literal vampire" as some twats like you would soon imply!

Now, l will cut you some "slack" for not having a clue about what a Harvard trained SAN was talking about, not with the kind of "failed education" products that Nigerian educationla system churns out on a yearly basis.
You are an epitome, representation and reflection of such products.

Even more disturbing is the fact that you FAILED TO DIGEST (l guess you are too bitter and angry at the Yoruba folks! ) the last line of the write=up where he affirmed to the Senate Hearing that "His (FFK) Tenure" did NOT record a single air crash!

Gawd, even if yo are blind, you should still be able to read that naah!

Do your research (but dont do it when you are burning with hatred, it beclouds your judgement!) ...... and confirm that during FFK's tenure, there was not a single air crash in Nigerian air space. I stand by that.

I knew most of you lambasting FFK are doing it out of tribal hatred, you failed to see the sense in his criticizing his successor who instead of taking a cue from previous occupiers of that "delicate office", resorted to the hypocritical level of shifting blame to God, knowing he is a patient God, let her try Ahmadioha if thunder will not strike her down asap!

As far we know, the only qualification that this woman, (like Bianca Ojukwu) have to occupy that position is because she is a "friend" to GEJ or one of his buddies! Thus, when you are clueless and you surround yourself with clueless people like this Stella Oduah, calamity upon calamity is bound to trail your govt. No be curse!

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BTW: Those of you who think "painting the Arrival hall" as Stella Odua is doing, is the hallmark of a successful Aviation Minister, l pity you a lot.
Most of you anyway have not travelled outside to see airports in other countries ..... (or at best, you only went as far as the arrival/departure halls, when collecting your family members ) .....and the "surrounding infrastructure", ..... mot to talk about the "safety record' of those countries. You will never understand what FFK is talking about. I would rather drive on Nigeria's bad roads that fly any of our "local flights".

Policewoman: If found guilty, the killer cops should be dismissed and handed over to the civilian courts to be tried for premeditated murder.

It is lunatics like these that give bad name to the force.

Wonders shall never end!
Coming from a "policewoman".....

"You must be born again" ....bla...bla...bla....

Naaah, this film-trick is NOT working, ...a leopard can never shed its skin!

Bunch of ANIMALS in black clothing!!

I say "an eye, for an eye". Sefinni!

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dani1luv: You know if such were to happen here in Nigeria, many would assume that the guy has eaten the "vegetable" - a slang for man that has been hypnotized by his woman.

Seriously, which naija guy would allow his woman humiliate him in public like that?

So you think say 'Chinese people No get "Efoo-Vegetable" for their side'?

That guys Mother must be very disappointed in him by now!
Woman-Wrapper like him deserves even more slaps..... infact, he should be castrated, he does not deserve to hold that stick between his legs!

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Rogbese: I very patiently read through the entire post and I must say I'm appalled at the level of insults here. Someone raises an opinion and they're called all sorts of names! Wow!!! I believe we are all very much above this level of mud slinging and should learn to criticise constructively.

Truth be said it's a good idea. HOWEVER, too many past events leave one wondering. Maintenance will be an issue. The current BRT bus system is a case in point. Waterways have also not been full fully explored. The current light rail system is not completed. Too many untied ropes.

We also cannot lose sight of other pressing issues. The education sector is severely lacking, health is almost non existent. Our roads are in such bad shape yet we are forced to pay for mot certification.

A lot has been done but there is SOOO much more to be done.

Thank you for your post jare.
I am Yoruba, l dont give a hoot about any political party or personality-followership and l an NOT a beneficiary of neither the 40-Laptop nor the 40-iPad! I have been using a computer since those days when they only come along as a dumb terminal and weigh a ton on your "special table".

You can call me any name you like, l no send.
If l see what l think is wrong or needs further attention, l will say it wella.
I dont follow the crowd or pledge "blind allegiance" to anything or anybody,.... not even to my tribal brothers.
That is why l am Yoruba! .... and l must say that some of us are not living up to the billing in our recent discussions.

Granted, some Ndigbo will criticize and try to rubbish anything that has its origins in Lagos/Yoruba or even APC (OPC? ) but then, like l always say, "we must never forget who we are" nor forget why we are always a cut above the rest.

The reason is "our ability to self-evaluate, self-criticize and self-regulate".

We "improve and refine" in all these criticisms and l expect most of my brothers here to learn to take criticisms, even when you "honestly" consider it unjustified, .......in your stride.
But there are also "honest criticisms" which YOU might not be aware of and the fact that it comes from an "Igbo-hater" (as you often label it) is not enough reason to ignore it, gloss-over it or deny it outrightly!

For example, looking at the population demographics of Lagos state, l will honestly expect the govt to make "mass transit options", its priority .... and to START such mass transit projects, in areas where there are more people (numerically) so that even more of the masses will feel the benefit of such projects.

Mind you, l am not saying that if you locate such projects in Ikoyi or lekki, that there wont be users/customers for it; my point is that it benefits more people, who actually need it most, as they have no "better alternative" ....(compared to affluent people of Lekki and Ikoyi who probably have three cars parked in their compound and rarely commute long distance to their homes, from work)... ..
if "low income and densely populated areas" of the state take priority in the location of such projects.

Now, l understand that "private initiative projects are strictly FOR PROFIT" and if a user from Lekki can conveniently pay #100 to use the service, his counterparts from Mushin, Ikorodu, Bariga or Makoko might not be able to afford more than #50 for the same service thus, a profit oriented private investor would make his choice wisely!
But then, this is where "responsible and responsive governance" comes into play.
Government has a duty not just to the rich but even more to the poor. It is a social responsibility and it is not uncommon in "sane climes" for Govt to partly fund a project in order to make it locate to a particular "low-yield area" where it would benefit the "numerically-larger, masses".

Some have been quick to point out that some "masses-oriented projects" have been slow or seem abandoned, in favor of "for-profit and elitist-location projects" in Ikoyi, V.I and Lekki axis.
Well, facts on the ground seem to support this assertion and what l expect any "omoluabi" to do is examine this critically (for example, the badagry road under construction, inland waterways transport, pipe borne water, e.t.c. dont even get me started about the state of our BRT System!) and either adduce intelligent reasons on why they appear stalled/stopped or proffer reasons why they could not be completed/initiated as expected.

Instead, what we get is a lot of rancid and foul-mouthed abuse at anyone who dares raise a divergent opinion like we are all supposed to subscribe to the 40-Laptop/i-Pad sheep mentality! Very un-Yorubaic!

That Lagos is miles above most, if not all other Nigerian states is as obvious as daylight, especially most states in the East of Nigeria and l can understand when some (Yorubas) ask them to "remove the lump from their eyes before pointing out the gnat form the eyes of others".

In essence, they are saying "do you criticize your own Governors, who are doing virtually nothing in your state, the way you descend on Fashola and Lagos"? Thus, l will admonish our Igbo brothers to let 'charity begin at home' ....without neglecting the outside as well.
Let us see the "fairness" in your criticism.

We all travel to the East, irrespective of whether you are Yoruba, Igbo or Hausa and we use those "death traps" and erosion riddled roads in the East. What are Igbos doing about this? What are you doing about your Governors that come to "spend weekend in Lagos or Abuja" while leaving their people in abject poverty? Do l see you criticizing them openly as you do Fashola and Lagos?

let us all be objective and redefine our criticisms, let is not be "ethnic based" or based on a "we against them" mentality as this is what the politicians want ...and take advantage-of.

Always remember, bad roads in the East dont kill Igbos alone, plane crash in Lagos dont kill Yorubas alone neither does Boko Haram in the North, killing Northerners alone. Our dilapidated educational and health sector affects all our kids, (Yoruba,Igbo and Hausa) so why should any of us keep quiet if we see and think it needs addressing?

We may "go on a yabbis galore" at ourselves but in the end, we are still "Brothers and Sisters"!
We can disagree heatedly but we should let reason prevail at the end of the day!

****Waiting for the flaks*****

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gregg2: Bunch of greedy criminals

1) Where is the Lekki International Airport he promised us will be ready by December 2012?

2) What about the Lekki Seaport?

3) Where are the trains we were told he ordered from Canada since 2011?

4) Why is he abandoning the much hyped Lagos - Badagry expressway that he lobbied Fed Govt to handover to him?

5) Why is a state like Lagos still without portable pipeborne water?

You know, l was about to ask the same questions you raised up there!

But l realized that this post is just another "job" of the 40 i-Pads crew!

I would rather we invest in Trams (small intercity electric Trains) in highly populated areas that "Cable cars" in Lekki, Ikoyi, V.I and other high-brow but less populated areas of Lagos.

More alarming is the "reasoning level" of our youths!
God help them.

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A better measure of the price would have been to ally it with the "purchasing or average income" of the users!

For example, if l earn #2000 monthly, and spend #200 on mobile data, that is 10% of my monthly income.
Compared to someone who earns $200 monthly (average of #32,000) and spends ##2,000 on the same amount of mobile data as l do, though he has spent[b] TEN TIMES of what l spent[/b] on the same thing, in "real terms", he has actually only spent 6.25% ota!f his income on data!

Thus, this publication is nothing more than Bullshyte!

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Tolexander: https://img.naij.com/n/10/3/minister-of-aviation-stella-oduah-360x225.jpg

Aviation Minister, Stella Odua, while addressing journalists regarding the withdrawal of Dana Airlines' operating license, described plane crashes as 'an act of God'.
“We do not pray for accidents but they are inevitable. But we will continue to do everything to ensure that we do not have accidents. But an accident is an act of God.

“Again, we do not speculate on the cause of accidents. Until they happen, you cannot say this is the cause or that is not the cause.

With "gigantically ignorant and silly comments" like these coming from those who oversee our Aviation Industry, its no rocket science to predict that boarding a "local flight" is akin to being "kitted-up" as a suicide bomber! Its only a question of TIME!

Even the "looting" by Minister is an 'act of Gawd"!

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[quote author=Mayor_of_Lagos]No, Nwabueze is upset over something else and it will be revealed soon.

There is huge gap between matters of ethnic culture, nativity, value system and that of a constituted democratic process.

I dont know about other groups but Yorubas are not concerned about 1914 alone, we are also disatisfied about 1906; we did not consent to either union that we were forced into and want out of it or rearrange it in ways that our interest in it is fulfilling.

This SNC situation is a matter of nativity and race. The process should draw a racial map of Nigeria. Each race should convoke within its group and appoint a single voice to speak for it in the national conference. Whether you are 1million in population or 50million; one voice per race. Ethnics should identify with a racial type.

Keep NASS out of this because it is a democratic process empowered by constitution of Nigeria and not customary laws of the races.

Jigawa is a state, not a race, therefore the utterances of Lamido are inconsequential and ought to be put aside.

Tinubu is speaking for APC, which is not a race, therefore his utterances are of no consequence to the mission.

We need to listen to Egbe Omo Oodua and Afenifere, Ohanaeze, Arewa Elders Forum and other racial groups. Tinubu, Lamido and NASS should step aside. This issue is above their interest and sphere of responsibility.[/quote]Standing Ovation for you and 'manny4life". Yo be real "mayor" ...not the Tinubu ytpe!



As for nominating representatives, it should be simple enough now: If you can get 100 "verifiable nominations/signatures" from your own "race in your area", you are nominated to "contest" and win by simple majority, at your LG level. Winners from all LG level now go head to head again, to determine who represents a state. In all, all races should produce equal number of representatives with ethnic minorities also producing half as many reps. What we should discuss is "our union as a country, how to fund a "weak federal govt" from the regions (race-based), what and what should be considered as property of the FG (federal Security/Army, SSS, e.t.c), State Police and their limitations and usage/jurisdiction, Regional autonomy and development, Regional laws and the bigger, Federal Constitution and precedence over the state laws, e.t.c.

It should not be about "personalities/politicians" but about "issues".
Politicians would do anything to hijack it (read: Sule Lamido and Tinubu) just so they may remains relevant but we must resist it.

Cheers.

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Even if he likes, let Cameron enact law that will allow Police to "shoot immigrants on sight, no questions asked" ......

I dont blame them, it is our useless govt that l blame! We are the "guinea-pig" of the whole civilized world now, abi?

With all our resources, Nigerians have no business becoming medical tourist or illegal immigrants anywhere in the world.

No thanks to our clueless and corrupt govts officials, we are so deprived in our native Nigeria that even putting Nigerians in open-barbed wire prisons in U.K could be better than living in our dear country!

Sooooo Saaaad! I weep for my people.

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eddiebruk: dont people get paid to commit suicide...?

Why would he have such thought in the first place, if he really works for M.I.C, is Agagu the first corpse he is handling that would have brought such thoughts to him..? if he didnt know what was coming..?, Abeg leave all these things, they know what they are doing, anyone that is involved with handling issues that involves dead bodies has some sort of spirit related ritual they perform, have you been to the morgue to see what goes on there on a normal day, do you think those things are ordinary, do you think the Job of an under taker in Nigeria is an ordinary one..? dey there dey jonz

No my friend, dont be so hasty to make such assumption!

You must understand that there is something called "PREMONITION".....
its a feeling we all have (if you are the type that listen to your "inner voice" when something terrible is in the offing.

I have had "feelings" like this before and lo and behold, something terrible did happen!

Let me ask you: How much would you accept to be paid, to allow yourself to be used for "money rituals" or "roasted alive"?
l guess l know your answer....

Suicide bombers are "religiously brainwashed" people who are not actually "responsible" for the decision they made, to die that way!
No different from somebody high on Cocaine.
Dont compare both.

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BizBooks: In the government' defense Aganga said arrangements were being made to manufacture
new cars that would be sold for between N1.2M and N1.5M[/b]. The question is: what kind of
brand new car will sell for 1.2M? You can't even get a brand new VW Golf for that price.

This is not a "defense" at all, it is a "show of stewpidity" on the part of that Minister Aganga or whatever he calls himself!

Imagine, he is "still making arrangements" yet he has fixed a cut-off date for the BAN?

Which kind of "sensible humanbeing" will throw away all the water in his house on the premise that "He is making arrangement (expecting) for the next rainfall"?

Jezuz! Why are we so-blessed with clueless people in a (Jona) daft govt like this?

Why not start the local production of the cars ....(l know this will never happen in the next ten years, where is the electricity sef, abi na "i-better-pass-generator dem go use?), ... let them reach a considerable level of production and then ban the importation of Tokunbo, THERE-AFTER?

Really, l am fed-up with brainless people, high on local Shekpe-gin, dishing out policies that affect other people's life negatively.
Can somebody tell Mr. President Jonathan that this policy is WICKEDNESS TO THE MASSES!

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What? That last lump belongs to me, why did you swallow it?

How is it "hard to swallow' when this rogue brother of mine across the table will not even let me experience it for myself?

***smashes the plate on his brother's forehead for swallowing my own "last eba" ******

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[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]so are you telling me Mukina2 waited for 5 days after I create the thread to see who will post again with better write-up

That dont make sense.


THis is just discrimination against Traditionalists.

and my write-up has more info. I even posted the pic of the bat properly (upside-down).[/quote]While l dont buy your "spiritual orientation" one bit the truth is that what happened to your post is a reflection of the[b] "double standard and cronyism" that bedevils our daily lives as Nigerians![/b]

Man-knows-Man, no be today e start!
"MERIT and FAIRNESS" just got deleted from their dictionary.

Very very reprehensibly-disgraceful way of decision-making!

I urge you to take heart and be strong.

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GBELLs: It's a common practice in business schools where students are told to write their epitaph, in an effort to for your professors to know what you think about yourself or how you see yourself. It's a self motivation exercise and nothing else so there is nothing wrong with GTB using such a module in their training school.

...and all the "personal abuse and insults" dished out by the consultant is also part of the "motivation", right?

Talk of getting one's priority completely mixed up!

Ask yourself: can any trainer do that to a new recruit, in a mutually respecting environment say in the U.K, U.S or anywhere in Europe?
Why then is it acceptable to abuse people who are "already under pressure", in NIGERIA?

As you go about defending these type of bad, arrogant and totally repulsive form of harassment, know that "What goes around may eventually come around.... one day"!

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BTW: As Nigerians, we should begin to put our money, where our mouth is!
We cant keep criticizing and "do nothing" about it.
These Banks depend on patronage (one little drop of customer at a time!). Those people being abused are our family members, one way or the other.

I have personally shown this article to about five people and asked them to close their accounts in "any bank that abuse people emotionally" just because they are vulnerable and desperate for a job.
So far two of them have confirmed they have closed their account and moved fund to another bank.
The Account officer of a very "big one" is begging her furiously not to close her account as it will affect her up coming appraisal.
If we all "move together" (you might think your account is too small to make a dent but you are wrong!) ... and make a "strong statement", before you know it, they would get the message!

As big as British Airways was and still is, when they maltreated a Nigerian on board a few years back, we sent them a message and it "shook them" ... despite the fact that we almost had no better choice than to fly B.A. But hey, they got the message "loud and clear"!
He who pays the piper, dictates the tune.
Do the same and let us see what happens.

rusher14: Though you have presented salient points you do not need to descend to the name calling and insults.

My apologies.
He actually insulted me verbally in his earlier post thus l gave him a dose of his own medicine but as you rightly observed, l need not come down to that level.

Tx.

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Yazmin: In as much as your post serms revealing, it suffers depth and critical reasoning while being highly skewed when analysed by those who know the workings of the banking system.
In Nigeria people hardly take time to read through documents before consumating transactions. Therefore they most likely would come back claiming ignorance of points clearly stated out in the documents executed. Hence the popular saying that 'if you want to hide something from a blackman, put it into writing'.
My dear friend, foreign transaction (trade) differs from local purchase in many ways.
If your friend had taken time to go through the domiciliary account form he filled to open his account, he would have cleatly read where the bank states that the customer is responsible for funding such account[/b]s by means other than 'over the counter purchase'.
If your friend wanted the bank to purchase and make payments for him, certain documents yo evidence the trade cycle are needes (form m, pro forma invoice, insurance, ccvo, nafdac or SON certificate , validated TIN e.t.c depending on the type of transaction neing carried out). With these, the bank can debit your friends naira account and settle in any currency he so wishes it to be.
Banks pays school fees on behalf of their customers month in month out in similar ways by debiring local naira and settling the school abroad in any currency without the customer looking for 'mallams' to change currencies.
[b]Depending on the mode of payment required by your friend's busines partner (either T/T or LC or ITLC), would also affect the bank's level of involvement in sourcing your foreing fumds for you.
However, you made good points here. The bank staff are meant to educate your friend on why they cannot pay straight from his account due to the duocuments he tendered while advising him to source for hard currencies from the parrarel market (if he cannot provide sufficient documentation to enable the bank buy on his behalf).
Direct involvement by the staff with these 'mallams'
Would decrease customer confidence with such bank. In most banks this is a greviuos offence punishable by dismissal as it makea the banks loose income and integrity.
You may warn such staff to desist from such actions or threaten to report him to management and you would see his response as such actions are carried out by staff for the personal kickbacks from these mallams to the detriment of the bank.
I have been in this business both as a banker and importer, and have worked closely with GTBank recently in my business (and have been so satisfoed with the international trade procedures)thus the above analysis.

Kindly desist from sentimental reportage, ask more queations, read terms and conditions better while asking for its interpretation from experts and please note that international yrafe is very complex and you may nees an expert to guide you through especially if you are new to it.
Wait until your goods get to the nigerian ports for clearing or customs part, then you would conclude that the bankers are indeed saints....lol!!!!
Peace!!!!

@Yazmin:
You are very daft, to put it mildly.
You went on a foolish, nay unsolicited "lecture" that has no bearing on what l wrote and your post is ridulled with silly conjectures and assumptions, just to make you sound intelligent.

For example;
*where did l tell you that my cousin does not have the necessary papers to back-up what he wants to pay for and why did you assume so ....just to justify this fraudulent act by bank staff?

*Again, how do you consider buying building equipments like Diggers, JCB from the U.K. ...... a LOCAL PURCHASE?
Are you high on something or what?

*Again, how does" paying for capital goods" (on a bank's customer's behalf) to be imported from the U.K translates to "funding" his domiciliary account for "expenses" like buying articles like clothing on a foreign trip?
Did you read my post at all or do you suffer major comprehension issues?

*I clearly stated in my post that "He wants the bank to do a "bank-2-bank" funds transfer as payment (l have bought vehicles and paid through my bank, from my own Domm account in the past now?) ...and here you are still making conjectures by saying "depending on how he wants the purchase funded"?
C'mmon, what exactly are you driving at?
If you are a staff of GTB and you want to come here and defend your fraudulent activities (by no means limited to GTbank alone, as almost ALL Nigerian banks undertake this "round-tripping" and it is with the knowledge of their CEO and head of Forex, as that accounts for a major part of their balance sheet) ...then come out openly instead of spewing rubbish like a dyslexic child!

*I have listened to the recordings again and no time did the bank staff complain about the documents he presented to back up his intended payments and here you are on one hand claiming he did not present documents and in the same breath saying the bank staff should have educated him that he should present the right document! How do we rate this level of deliberate stewpidity, on your part?

Finally, the part l highlighted in red ink shows that[b] you are completely naive and out of depth, about what you are talking about, assuming there are no hidden agendas in your post.[/b]
If not for anonymity on Nairaland, which l cherish very much, l would have let you in on my person and you would certainly swallow all your words.
Even when you listen to the questions l was asking the Branch manager and his staff, you will quickly understand that l have enough "working experience" in that industry and l can authoritatively tell you that l have sat at meetings where Bank CEO encourages the head of forex to channel the "officially purchased forex".... to Bureau De Change Mallams.
Both the Head of forex dept and the "Oga at the Top" you are asking me to report to, are both-in on the scam!

If you talk about "selling mint Naira Notes" to those who "resell it in the open market" for a small profit, then l can concur that, that one is limited to the level of the "cash officer and branch manager".

Please, l never asked for your advice and it is curious to see the way you are crying and bleeding over this, except you have an interest in the matter?
Maybe that is what you do in your office, right? Well, take it from me, CBN will certainly be on your neck very soon as l am going from Branch to branch, bank to bank, collecting and documenting my findings for the Apex bank.

Fold your arms, hold your breath and relax. Its not your problem ( ) so dont cry more than the bereaved.
I am not interested in your back and forth as it adds no value of any sort to the discuss because it is obvious you are either obfuscating the truth or you are clueless.
Either way, you will be wasting my time.

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