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Finally something is beginning to happen!

This ban should be extended to all European countries, China and Scandinavia.
But they should not stop with just banning them, they should freeze all their ill-gotten assets too.

Once they dont have anywhere to run to, they will be forced to look inwards and repair our hospitals (as against flying to Saudi, Germany and U.S for medical check-up!).

They should also ban the exportation of any Generator with a rating higher than 3KVA, they will be forced to make sure PHCN works too

By the way, so if not that they were endangered, they will be doing siddon-look?
Now we know the trick!!

BTW: Where is this disappearing president?
I think he is kaput, l swear.

Abeg people, why do we make fun of a man's heart cries and pain?

In my own opinion, l believe this man loves his wife otherwise, why should he be bothered, (with all those "figure-18's" craving  for attention?)
Secondly, for him to have "sought help publicly" shows that he cares and the issue is bothering him but he does not want it to affect their marriage beyond control and thus, the need to seek help.

Having said that, from my own experience, l think the best ways to assist her (and really what have you done in the past 2years + courtship period?)
are:

1.) Start by buying her Novels: Start with the 'low volumes' like "Mills and Booms" (women like love story and happy endings and that may actually attract her attention not to dump them for those "yeye home movies" ).
You can then graduate to James Hardley Chase; she will also learn a few tricks from this one but l hope she wont use them on you sha .
When she's engrossed in Novels, she can graduate to all those best sellers.
Encourage her to tell you the story she read about in each Novel. Correct her lovingly, when she "scatters" the language, dont make fun of her or call her names, P-L-E-A-S-E

2.) Along with some English Textbooks mentioned by others earlier, pls buy her "The First Aid in English", and then let her practice with "Lexis and Structure textbook", it will help her with sentence construction and grammar.

3.) Buy and let her read newspapers, listen to "real" News stations (quite a few of our broadcasters nowadays are not good role model for impeccable English but we can excuse them in these days of school closure and ASUU strikes, every now and then) and engage her in debates, on topical issues, in ENGLISH

4. And you too, make it a habit to speak English with her within the house.
5. For the time being, suggest to her that she keeps a low profile in public debates, especially if English is being used, till she improves herself and builds confidence in public speaking.

By the way, its nothing to fret about once she is determined to improve herself and you are committed to helping her.
Going by the "explosive grammar" on Nairaland itself, you can bet she is not alone


BTW: I hope she does not find out you brought this to a public forum but if she does, cool her down and explain why you needed to seek help on her behalf.
Seal your "wayo explanation" with a few kisses   and a nice gift that day

I appreciate you for being concerned and wanting to improve your wife, some other fella would just start "cutting shows" and later use it as an excuse in future

After all said and done, when she becomes "sophisti-K-ted" in future, l hope she will remember this day and not think your own English is now an embarrassment to her!

@sisi_Kill

I am flattered and humbled, by your submission

As long as the general public benefits, l am no consequence in the permutation of events.

Despite our bad roads, knowing where you are going without putting your fate in the hands of sone dubious "Okada man" or stranger, is as important as driving on the smooth German Autobahn.

Even Okada people can also rig the thing to their Bikes! Who wants to get lost?

I appeal to everyone to get this thing on their phone or their in-car navigation device.

Encore.

@bsparks:
did you read all the previous pages before making your conclusion?
A lot of people have made different suggestions and asked the kind of questions you are referring to.

Here is a copy of one l made on page 2 of this thread

I sympathize with all those who have just lost their jobs, its a very traumatic experience, believe me.

One thing l've always said to my friends over time, concerning "paid employment" is that "at the end of the day, its either you resign or get sacked" but it is better if you resign since you can do it on your own terms! An "employee" is a termed contractor, contract will end one day!!

Having said those words, l am baffled over a few things:

1.) Why are these banks doing this "mass sacking"?
Are they trying to impress the government (Sanusi's CBN) that they are doing something right?
Are those being sacked the "problem" of the banks or are they responsible for the problems of the bank?
IF CBN has pumped tax-payers money into these bank, why are they then engaging in this mass retrenchment, since one of the objectives of  the bail-out is to keep the economy (including employment) going?

2.) Why has it become the "custom" to sack Nigerian workers, just before Christmas?
Infact, why has it become the custom by Nigerian leaders/Employers, to impose woe on their fellow Nigerians, just before Xmas - Fuel Shortage (with escalating Transport & food cost), Sacks, contaminated food, e.t.c

3.) Now that the Bank Executives are competing with themselves on who can sack the most, l am thinking in my head: Its not these low-level staff that ruined the banks, its exactly those "signing the sack letters" that ruined the banks (The Directors, The M.D's, Group Managers and all those that sit at weekly Management Meetings, planning policy and implementing direction.
These are the people that need to  be sacked since they led the bank to its present predicament, and it makes economic sense because the salary and benefits of each one of them will comfortably pay that of 30 to 50 of those being sacked now, not minding that they do virtually nothing other than 'bark' orders and roll around in cushy, swivel chairs! Shocked

Finally, l am of the opinion that if an employee has discharged his/her duty diligently, to the best of his abilities, with clean records, you cant just dis-engage such staff (just to save money).
You have to pay "severance benefit" to such staff. No Story.

I know our "leaders" like to take ordinary Nigerians for granted but l want to say that it is unethical, illegal and a breach of any known employment law, to just wake-up and dish out 'termination letters" to staff, without reason: "Your services are no longer required"! Angry

The sacked staff need to register their presence online, form an organisation, elect representatives and first write to the Labour Union (which l think have sold out and may be ignored). After these, they should write to the National Assembly, demanding payment of a negotiable severance benefit, according to employment laws and if the bank's Management are still intransigent, institute a CLASS ACTION against them in court.

It will take time but they have to be steadfast and committed ( a very difficult thing to do for the selfish, average Nigerian) to getting justice done.

Having worked in the banking industry myself, l resigned in 2005, just before the bubble bust (Soludo's consolidation!  Grin ), having seen the hand writing on the wall and having been making adequate "escape alternatives" for myself, beginning in 2002/3)

The truth is that as a banker, you are expected to live to a certain standard (Decked Suit, Nice Car, Nice apartment, latest Phone like N97, nice Italian leather shoes, e.t.c (we get Dress allowance, you know Grin) but then, as an "employee", one should know that it would not last forever!

Unfortunately, some get carried away and doze-off on the steering!
I feel sad for them, for their children, wives/husband, extended family members, their Pepper Soup joints (recession would set-in at those joints!), their Girl-friends, their landlords (who will be thinking of another windfall in January 2010!) but most of all, l feel sorry for this country called Nigeria:
So blessed by God but held hostage by some incompetent nincompoops masquerading as intelligent bureaucrats; and docile citizens who think God will come down from heaven and wrest their lives away from the blood sucking vampires we have as leaders

We look forward to your own contributions.

I think we can summarize everything as " if anything is going to carry WEIGHT as much as that of a decking, there MUST be concrete Pillars behind it".

And anything above a bungalow, will bear "decking weight".
Even if it is a bungalow in a marshy area, u still need good foundation with cement/gravel mixture so that it would not start "sucking water" up from the ground. This doesn't happen in very solid clay areas.
It will cost you more money to do repairs than to do it well, the first time.
Please ensure that foundation are very good, once done, you cant correct it without incurring heavy cost.
With a good foundation, all other maintenance cost that would show up as years go by are actually very minimal, same goes for have strong pillars if you are going beyond a bungalow.

As per beams, they prevent cracking of the block structure, especially when the foundation starts to settle and shift a bit (u might not see it physically when it is happening but it happens). But window & door beams dont have to be as reinforced like vertical pillars that carry the decking.

There is a way u can use strong wire mesh (like the types they use in smoking fish in my village in those days ) instead of using some 12mm iron rods, in the beams passing over windows and doors. It saves cost and does the job equally well, l have asked engineers in construction companies, when l saw them using the wire mesh with concrete mixture, for flooring (big projects, l mean).

Depending on the soil texture of ur site, if marshy, its better to use concrete beams as that would give it a stable foundation and it wont start shifting as the black soil disintegrates.
And another thing: For anything, avoid buying a marshy land or swampy area, except you are very very rich.
Its not worth the effort at all, even if its very cheap. Believe me on this, l have a first hand experience as my \mum made that mistake when we were still kids. I hope l made a little sense in all these sha?

Am off now, the weather is really awful in the last three days

Cheers.

@ozodiaku.
Take the offer and move on from that point.
Like others have said, "dont put all you eggs in one basket".

Be frugal in spending, save more, spend less. Invest ur savings in not too risky projects as the days roll by.
Remember that as you "go in today", "you will ('may', if you buy the bank in future have to leave one day"! Employment is a contract!
You can read the book "Rich Dad Poor Dad" and the follow-up, "What Rich People tell their kids" by one Kiyosaki guy or so, cant remember very well, l read it some ten years ago but it's lessons are still relevant.

I wish you the best.

Like you said, No question is stupid since the end (gaining knowledge) justify the means!

I have also learnt a lot by asking questions, listening to other people and reading what others say.
Thats the whole idea of meeting online on a forum like this.
I've also noticed that our guys are very generous and are always willing to help others, in the true "Nigerian spirit".

May you succeed in all you lay your hands on this year, God willing.
Same goes for kingboy and "lastpage-boy"
cheers

@femionasan
I dont want to pick issues with you on these matter.
Despite the fact that l quoted labiyemmy VERBATIM, in my last post (up there) where he said "the ones YOU hacked" "Hackers are thieves".

One does not need to have gone through "pry six English exams" (pass or fail ) to be able to decipher what that phrase meant - "by inference"?
Since it appears both of you are "paddy-paddy" l can understand you wanting to take sides but at least, be a man and dont try to justify by pretending you cant read! !
No need to cry more than the bereaved now, abi na wetin sef?

The good thing is that readers now have "options" and even one company (Anabel Mobile) is offering FREE GPS NAVIGATION ON MOBILE PHONES!
Even labiyemmy is now doing "promo"! Buy one get one free!!
Seems something good has come out of these "rants" afterall!

As far as l am concerned, the matter is closed since yesterday, l did extend courtesy to labiyemmy by offering a gentleman's apology (which he rebuffed) and l still wished him well in his business. I have no bile with him. If l ever meet him as we speak now, l will shake his hand.

We defer on principle only, nothing personal.
I wish everyone the best in all their endeavors.

Free on the internet? you mean the hacked maps? Hackers are thieves, dont you know? and the ones you were able to hack and load on your phone are the old maps from the South Africans with less than ten Nigerian cities on it - compare it to ours which has 230 city maps? You cant beat that.

While would anyone want to shoot himself in the foot?
If the highlighted portions of that statement are not incendiary and inflamatory, not to mention being libelious then my grandma would captain the Super Eagles in South Africa, come this June!
You call someone 'a hacker', then said 'hackers are thieves', have you not called the person a thief?

Anyway, its nothing personal between you and me afterall we dont actually know each other!
I will let it pass at this stage, PLEASE HAVE THE FLOOR TO YOURSELF.


@naira-ner,

to labiyemmy: Boss! ,  pls pls psl abeg WHY DID U SKIP LASTPAGE'S COMMENT REPLY?? pls i no get your power o, just face lastpage who seems to have put u up in check Cheesy and now u wana divert to me.

if only you had not resorted to wayward, boastful marketing but taken time to read expressed concerns about the bad roads, then you would understand why i tipped that in.

Please revert to lastpage. Na hin get your power word for word.

@rich pitt.

could you give us a little background about "yourself"?
Are you Nigerian?
What interest do you have in "exposing" the truth/lies in this story?
Your contribution is "quite outstanding" and very different!
I am curious about your submissions but with so many stories flying around, l want to not only keep an open mind but explore all possibilities.

Thank you.

My pleasure "Sunboy". I wish you more grease (l mean more money in your pocket) at your elbow

@Kingboy, (na so so "boy" dey build house? be like say l go change my name to "lastboy" )

I am just an inquisitive brat. I poke my nose in anything of interest and when l see builders doing their stuff, l ask questions and pay attention.

In the 70's, my parents did something similar and l have tried compare the result with other people who did the same thing (over time) and try not to fall into the not so obvious pits.
Thats why l make it clear that my 'round head' is not an expert one o!
By the way, l will not trust this arrangement for anything higher than a Bungalow!

Reason being that "decking" is a lot of weight whose tilt, torque or "cant not be totally predicted if there is no pillar to support it under.
Once you deck, u must have Pillars (with iron or bamboo inside).
What you now place those pillar on is now the question. If your Pillars are placed on a "base" that shifts, or not firm or is sandy, you can imagine if Third Mainland bridge Pillars is placed just on those swamp!
Abeg, life is too precious to be stingy about, l wont spend too much time visiting your surveyor friend.

By the way, l read Computer Engineering back then but life experience has made me diversify into other fields, as time went by so, l am no expert when it comes to buildings, just a curious lay-man.
Cheers.

I agree with you Kay 17.
No one yet, wants to shoot themself in the face".
If people see where "you" spend their money, they would think twice before trying to dodge Tax payment.
If anyone thinks Europeans/Americans like paying Tax, they better think twice BUT they pay because:

1.) They can see where it is being spent and it affects their lives positively.
2.) The Tax is reasonable and would naturally not kill you, if we are to be honest.
2.) Since there is no moral ground not to pay, if you default, the punishment is so severe you will ask yourself whether its worth doing!

I believe Nigerians are even easier to govern than all these "Oyinbo" since we have these tendency to always trust our leaders, no matter what.
I also think Fashola will listen anytime there is "gnashing of teeth" over a state policy.

I am not saying people should not pay Tax, I am saying the "3" steps itemized above needs to be the guiding principles:

Transparency, Reasonableness, Severe punishment for defaulters


Can we ask for any less? Over to you "Gomina Fashola".

@Onwan,
Is it possible you make head-or-tail out of this story?
Your comments will be appreciated since you provide a 'different angle' to this thread.

I dont know if referencing the website will earn me a "ban" but lets see

wwdouble u.childrenadvocates.blogspots dot com
U can reconstruct it properly and open it direct by urself. (put the letter,  as in "." where l used word spelling)


Did U.S. Forces Execute Kids in Afghanistan?
By Dave Lindorff, OpEdNews.com
January 6, 2010


The Taliban suicide attack that killed a group of CIA agents in Afghanistan was big news in the U.S. over the past week. The attack took place on a base that was directing U.S. drone aircraft used to attack Taliban leaders. The airwaves and front pages were filled with sympathetic stories referring to the fact that the female station chief, who was among those killed, was the "mother of three children."

But the apparent mass murder of Afghan school children, including one as young as 11 years old, by U.S.-led troops, was pretty much blacked out in the American media. Especially blacked out was the claim by UN investigators that the students had not just been killed but executed, many of them after having first been rousted from their bedrooms and handcuffed.

Here is the excellent report on the incident that ran in the Times of London (like Fox News, a Rupert Murdoch-owned publication) on Dec. 31:


Western troops accused of executing 10 Afghan civilians, including children

By Jerome Starkey in Kabul

American-led troops were accused yesterday of dragging innocent children from their beds and shooting them during a night raid that left ten people dead.

Afghan government investigators said that eight schoolchildren were killed, all but one of them from the same family. Locals said that some victims were handcuffed before being killed.

Western military sources said that the dead were all part of an Afghan terrorist cell responsible for manufacturing improvised explosive devices (IEDs), which have claimed the lives of countless soldiers and civilians.

"This was a joint operation that was conducted against an IED cell that Afghan and US officials had been developing information against for some time," said a senior Nato insider. But he admitted that "the facts about what actually went down are in dispute."

The article goes on to say:

In a telephone interview last night, the headmaster [of the local school] said that the victims were asleep in three rooms when the troops arrived. "Seven students were in one room," said Rahman Jan Ehsas. "A student and one guest were in another room, a guest room, and a farmer was asleep with his wife in a third building.

"First the foreign troops entered the guest room and shot two of them. Then they entered another room and handcuffed the seven students. Then they killed them. Abdul Khaliq [the farmer] heard shooting and came outside. When they saw him they shot him as well. He was outside. That's why his wife wasn't killed."

A local elder, Jan Mohammed, said that three boys were killed in one room and five were handcuffed before they were shot. "I saw their school books covered in blood," he said.

The investigation found that eight of the victims were aged from 11 to 17. The guest was a shepherd boy, 12, called Samar Gul, the headmaster said. He said that six of the students were at high school and two were at primary school. He said that all the students were his nephews.

Compare this article to the one mention of the incident that appeared in the New York Times, one of the few American news outlets to even mention the incident. The article, which appeared on Dec. 28, focused entirely on the difficulty civilian killings cause for the U.S. war effort, and not on the allegations of a serious war crime:

Attack Puts Afghan Leader and NATO at Odds

By Alissa J. Rubin and Abdul Waheed Wafa

KABUL, Afghanistan -- The killing of at least nine men in a remote valley of eastern Afghanistan by a joint operation of Afghan and American forces put President Hamid Karzai and senior NATO officials at odds on Monday over whether those killed had been civilians or Taliban insurgents.

In a statement e-mailed to the news media, Mr. Karzai condemned the weekend attack and said the dead had been civilians, eight of them schoolboys. He called for an investigation.

Local officials, including the governor and members of Parliament from Kunar Province, where the deaths occurred, confirmed the reports. But the Kunar police chief, Khalilullah Ziayee, cautioned that his office was still investigating the killings and that outstanding questions remained, including why the eight young men had been in the same house at the time.

"There are still questions to be answered, like why these students were together and what they were doing on that night," Mr. Ziayee said.

A senior NATO official with knowledge of the operation said that the raid had been carried out by a joint Afghan-American force and that its target was a group of men who were known Taliban members and smugglers of homemade bombs, which the American and NATO forces call improvised explosive devices, or I.E.D.'s.

According to the NATO official, nine men were killed. "These were people who had a well-established network, they were I.E.D. smugglers and also were responsible for direct attacks on Afghan security and coalition forces in those areas," said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the delicacy of the issue.

"When the raid took place they were armed and had material for making I.E.D.'s," the official added.

While the article in the New York Times eventually mentions the allegation that the victims were children, not grown men, it nonetheless begins with the unchallenged assertion in the lead that they were "men." There is no mention of the equally serious allegation that the victims had been handcuffed before being executed, and the story leaves the impression, made by NATO sources, that they were armed and had died fighting. There is no indication in the Times story that the reporters made any effort, as the more enterprising and skeptical London Times reporter did, to get local, non-official, sources of information. The New York Times reporters attributed the claim that the victims had been making bombs to an anonymous NATO source, even though there was no legitimate reason for the anonymity ("because of the delicacy of the situation" was the lame excuse offered). Indeed, the use of an anonymous source here would appear to violate the Times' own standards.

It's not that American newsrooms lacked the knowledge that a major war crime may have been committed. Nearly all American news organizations receive the AP news wire. Here is the AP report on the killings, which ran under the headline "UN says killed Afghans were students":

The United Nations says a raid last weekend by foreign troops in a tense eastern Afghan province killed eight local students.

The Afghan government says that all 10 people killed in a village in Kunar province were civilians. NATO says there is no evidence to substantiate the claim and has requested a joint investigation.

UN special representative in Afghanistan Kai Eide said in a statement Thursday that preliminary investigation shows there were insurgents in the area at the time of the attack. But he adds that eight of those killed were students in local schools.

Once again, the American media are falling down shamefully in providing honest reporting on a war, making it difficult for the American people to make informed judgments about what is being done in their name.

If the charges are correct -- that American forces, or American-led forces, are handcuffing their victims and then executing them -- they are committing egregious war crimes. If they are killing children, they are committing equally egregious war crimes. If they are handcuffing and executing children, the atrocity is beyond horrific. If true, this incident would actually be worse than the infamous war crime that occurred in My Lai during the Vietnam War. In that case, we had ordinary soldiers in the field, acting under the orders of several low-ranking officers in the heat of an operation, shooting and killing women, children and babies. But in this case we appear to have seasoned special forces troops actually directing the taking of captives, cuffing them, herding them into a room and spraying them with bullets, execution-style.

Given the history of the commanding general in Afghanistan, General Stanley McChrystal -- who is known to have run a massive death squad operation in Iraq before being named to his current post by President Obama, and who is known to have called for the same kind of tactics in Afghanistan -- it should not be surprising that the U.S. would now be committing atrocities in Afghanistan. If this is how this war is going to be conducted, the U.S. media should be making a major effort to uncover and expose the crime.

On January 1, the London Times' Jerome Starkey, in Afghanistan, followed up with a second story, reporting that Afghan President Hamid Karzai is calling for the U.S. to hand over the troops who killed the students. Starkey quoted a "NATO source" as saying that the "foreigners involved" in the incident were "non-military, suggesting that they were part of a secret paramilitary unit based in the capital" of Kabul. He goes on to quote a "Western official" as saying: "There's no doubt that there were insurgents there, and there may well have been an insurgent leader in the house, but that doesn't justify executing eight children who were all enrolled in local schools."

Good enterprise reporting by the London Times and its Kabul-based correspondent. Silence on these developments in the U.S. media.

Meanwhile, it has been a week since New York Times reporters Rubin and Wafa made their first flawed report on the incident, and there has been not a word since then about it in the paper. Are Rubin and Wafa or other Times reporters on the story? Will there be a follow-up?

On the evidence of past coverage of these U.S. wars and their ongoing atrocities by the Times and by other major U.S. corporate media news organizations, don't bet on it. You'll do better looking to the foreign media.

By the way, given that we're talking about allegations of a serious war crime, it is important to note that, under the Geneva Conventions, it is a legal requirement that the U.S. military chain of command immediately initiate an official investigation to determine whether such a crime has occurred. One would hope that the Commander-in-Chief, President Obama, would order such an inquiry.

Any effort to prevent such an inquiry, or to cover up a war crime, would be a war crime in itself. We just had one administration that did a lot of that. We don't need another one.
Posted by greathierophant@yahoo.com at 7:27 AM 0 comments
Tuesday, January 5, 2010
Airports Set To Become Primary Peddlers Of Child indecency
http://www.infowars.com/airports-set-to-become-primary-peddlers-of-child-indecency/

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Tuesday, January 5, 2010

The establishment is ensuring that craddle-robbers and perverts are kept entertained at airport security checkpoints by mandating the mass rollout of unclothed body scanners that provide detailed images of your child’s ittybits, to be enjoyed by officials sitting alone in back rooms.

Despite official assurances and media talking points that claim the unclothed body scanners now being implemented in airports worldwide do not show enough detail to be considered a violation of privacy, the true measure of how much of an intrusion they really are is proven by the fact that they break child indecency laws in the UK that bar the production of indecent images of children.

Ministers in the UK will be forced to exempt under-18’s from the virtual strip searches or pass new legislation that protects airport workers from being prosecuted as craddle-robbers.

“They also face demands from civil liberties groups for safeguards to ensure that images from the £80,000 scanners, including those of celebrities, do not end up on the internet,” reports the Guardian. “The Department for Transport confirmed that the “child indecency” problem was among the “legal and operational issues” now under discussion in Whitehall after Gordon Brown’s announcement on Sunday that he wanted to see their “gradual” introduction at British airports.”

“They do not have the legal power to use full body scanners in this way,” said Terri Dowty, of Action for Rights of Children, adding there was an exemption in the 1978 law to cover the “prevention and detection of crime” but the purpose had to be more specific than the “trawling exercise” now being considered.

As the Guardian report highlights, despite the fact that news organizations routinely blur out sensitive areas of the body when showing images produced by the scans, the actual resolution of the images allows airport workers to see “ittybits and bosom enlargements”.

Despite the promise that the images would immediately be deleted, Simon Davies of Privacy International warns that scans of celebrities or of people with unusual or freakish body profiles would prove an “irresistible pull” for some employees.

Indeed, the fact that your sons and daughters will potentially be subject to a virtual strip search where the shape and detail of their ittybits will be visible to someone sat alone in a back room begs the question of what kind of people would want to apply for such a job. If such technology is rolled out on a widespread basis, working in airport security will undoubtedly become a pull for perverts and craddle-robbers who will be given free reign to lust over your unclothed child’s body. How far will Americans acquiesce in the name of safety?

This compilation of articles proves that people in positions of power have routinely and illegally abused surveillance technologies for their own personal titillation, particularly in regard to young women and children.

A school in Overton County, Tennessee was sued to the tune of $4.2 million in damages by parents after school officials allowed surveillance cameras to be installed in locker rooms of children aged 10-14, with the images showing both girls and boys in various stages of UnCloth.

Another case in Sutherland high school New York found that head school custodian Allen Wemes had kept a pornographic stash of footage filmed by a secret surveillance camera placed in a female restroom.

In June 2004, the director of a tutoring center in Chicago was charged with manufacturing and possessing child indecency after he was discovered to be operating a sophisticated video surveillance system in the bathroom of the Beverly Instructional Center.

These are just a few of dozens of cases in the U.S. alone where officials have been caught abusing invasive surveillance technologies for their own perverted pleasure. If similar technology is to be implemented on a mass scale in airports as is being proposed, we are going to see such violations skyrocket to an industrial level.

A familiar tactic employed to convince the public that the scanners are necessary is the repeated use of images that show concealed weapons, creating the perception that everyone is guilty and needs to be scanned. This is reinforced by the public being made to hold their hands up when they enter the scanner in a symbolic act of submission, when holding their arms out horizontally would be no different.

How much humiliation, fealty and degradation are we prepared to accept in the name of being protected from a menace that the government has proven time and again it has no motivation in stopping? The very people promoting the mass implementation of body scanners stand to reap the financial rewards because they are heavily invested in the technology.

Are we going to allow perverts and craddle-robbers in positions of power enjoy unclothed images of our children or are we finally going to draw a line in the sand and say enough is enough and start boycotting and filing lawsuits against airports and other institutions that attempt to ram through these revolting and dehumanizing measures?

I will not dignify that "marketer" by responding to his challenge.

But since one or two people have commented (he closed the opportunity to explore his option when he started calling me names), l want to say that l am generally a humble person and if you look at my contributions on this thread, l did not go on the offensive, l did not insult nor did l make any derogatory remark against his person (at least not until he went petty that l was jealous of him!) Please read my first comment on this thread, where l even "differed to him" as l know that it is where he butters his bread,! Just as a gesture of respect since l no say "kontri no easy, no be today"

Anyway, l simply provided an alternative to the #75,000 charge on something that is otherwise free.

Then he threw the first shot by saying l am a hacker, you will be arrested, l will sue you and all sorts of 'small stuff'.
I still did not respond but "went about stating my case" as l see it, then to show me that "im sabi yarn" he said l was jealous!

See me see trouble, see me see what anonymousity on internet will cause!!
How on earth can you say someone is jealous of you, someone you've never met and whose pedigree you dont even know?

I hate to argue "personal things" like I BETTER PASS MY NEIGHBOR on a forum like this or anywhere else.
Its all these empty vessels that make 'graun-graun, ringin-ringin, pan-puun paa-puun' all over nairaland
I even regret allowing you push that statement out of my mouth and l apologize for my comment about "Road Tax".

It just shows that we should be careful when we run our mouth at others afterall, they say "the last cut is always the deepest!"

It seems you are just starting in terms of doing business and l wish you well, as you know, well established business dont go around giving out "phone numbers" and E-mail the way you've been doning it so far, it simply shows desperation.

Next time, l think you should try and start from Businessmen Fellowships, use Adsense, take TV ads , full page adverts in Guardian Newspaper and get a deeper business model, not all these "jumping on Garmin Wagon".

Going forward,l have made my point and l wish to terminate this line of discussion and allow you to focus on your marketing strategy (except you throw another barb at me )

Wish you the best in the year ahead.

Emmm BTW: the "free online version" of this road navigation is much easier! You only need to change the EMEI number/device code since it is unique to each device, and two dot.unl (.unl) files for each country's map you want to navigate!
That free information made available for free on the internet will cost you #75,000 if YOU LIVE IN NAIJA

I dey by the corner just in case.

I will not dignify that "marketer" by responding to his challenge.

But since one or two people have commented (he closed the opportunity to explore his option when he started calling me names), l want to say that l am generally a humble person and if you look at my contributions on this thread, l did not go on the offensive, l did not insult nor did l make any derogatory remark against his person (at least not until he went petty that l was jealous of him!) Please read my first comment on this thread, where l even "differed to him" as l know that it is where he butters his bread,! Just as a gesture of respect since l no say "kontri no easy, no be today"

Anyway, l simply provided an alternative to the #75,000 charge on something that is otherwise free.

Then he threw the first shot by saying l am a hacker, you will be arrested, l will sue you and all sorts of 'small stuff'.
I still did not respond but "went about stating my case" as l see it, then to show me that "im sabi yarn" he said l was jealous!

See me see trouble, see me see what anonymousity on internet will cause!!
How on earth can you say someone is jealous of you, someone you've never met and whose pedigree you dont even know?

I hate to argue "personal things" like I BETTER PASS MY NEIGHBOR on a forum like this or anywhere else.
Its all these empty vessels that make 'graun-graun, ringin-ringin, pan-puun paa-puun' all over nairaland
I even regret allowing you push that statement out of my mouth and l apologize for my comment  about "Road Tax".

It just shows that we should be careful when we run our mouth at others afterall, they say "the last cut is always the deepest!"

It seems you are just starting in terms of doing business and l wish you well, as you know, well established business dont go around giving out "phone numbers" and E-mail the way you've been doning it so far, it simply shows desperation.

Next time, l think you should try and start from Businessmen Fellowships, use Adsense, take TV ads   , full page adverts in Guardian Newspaper and get a deeper business model, not all these "jumping on Garmin Wagon".

Going forward,l have made my point and l wish to terminate this line of discussion and allow you to focus on your marketing strategy (except you throw another barb at me )

Wish you the best in the year ahead.

taminz,
I dont know which area of PH "that place", see if you can locate it from this Map. if l need to show a particular street, l will just zoom closer, thats all but l wanted you to get a feel of the surrounding too.
The damn thing takes visitors right to my door step and l only get to know when they tell me to come open the door

By the way, l dont need to join issues with this guy who thinks he can go around "name dropping" like that Journalist
Anything you say, he will come back an tell you he just ate Amala and Isi-Ewu with them a few minutes ago!

Bloody extortionist, l guess he would soon come around and tell us "We made those Satellites your GPS are locking unto"!


Here is "product" that gets me to where l want to go, free of charge  on the internet and he is speaking some useless Turanshi!

Me jealous of one poor Nigerian that is trying to make a living from exploiting his fellow Nigerian? Abeg, say something else.
Its nothing personal and l said you're free to make your coins, it doesn't bother,,,,,,,,not until you decided to run your mouth against me.

My annual "Road Tax" is enough to take care of you.

what do you think "Tanimz"?

This one?

Which one be ur village?
Orile-Owu?

Lagos and environs.

As a matter of fact, this will get you to the "ghetto-est" corner anywhere in Nigeria, for once, trust NASA Satellites.
Your Device GPS just locks unto those Satellite, shikenna.

@taminz,
Believe it, its the same technology. Just tell me a place you want and l would display it on my device right now, and paste it for you.
What about your village?

This is Abuja at street level.
Tell me if your "copy & paste" 20K job can do better than this.
Like l said, u're free to sell it.
Its a free world but dont condemn those who can dedicate time and energy to look for it on the internet.

Am still trying to shrink the bigger Map with a lot of cities (its bigger than 200KB) for people's attention. Here is Mushin.

This is Ikorodu road, Igbobi hospital Area.

These are screen prints.

contd.

Your claim that l hacked a map, that is “old” is bunkum!
First, its not a hack. It’s is free.
I have attached a few shots from my screen, for you to see and get convinced that “what you’re selling is freely available” on the internet but whomsoever wants to buy from you (before you crucify me) can buy from you but you cant stop other people from getting “resources” freely available, from the internet. I have Maps from virtually any country in the world l need to go, available freely on the net.

This is not hacking, it is called “research” and its available to “anyone who has the time and the intellect” not to be taken for a ride by some “Naija hustlers” claiming some copyright license over something that does not even belong to you!
Check out the detailed street level map of Ikorodu road, Mushin Area, Herbert Macaulay Area in Yaba, Abuja street level, or the middle belt one showing the cities my screen can contain at a time and tell me if yours shows “people’s toilet” and is therefore better? Moreover, it’s a question of “zooming-in” to get finer details, not the crap you are saying to people. Anyway, l know “man must wack” and l cant stop you from using some people as “Mugun”!

@labiyemmy

We have seen an increase in sales based on this topic- our website has been hit to the maximum ever in a space of three days since the topic started- we offer demo at our office in Abuja and in Lagos-
http://www.ceaser-web.com
08055794269
Call and walk in to see how the system works all over Nigeria, with detailed street maps to places unimaginable.

Ofcourse, this is just “pure simple marketing gimmick” but its still “fair game”.

@Geaorge D:
oh! your sales have jumped up, has it? then maybe you should be thanking me for starting this thread (on your behalf)!  seriously though, if my handheld gps is the mappable type, how much will it cost me to load nigerian maps onto it?
@labiyemmy: 20k only Sir

Alright, this is where you sink-in your hook! So you want 20K for just “copying a map” you did not draw, unto his memory card? Smart dude!!
Like l said, its not my business or intention to debar people from patronizing you but you cannot also debar me from alerting people to the fact that these things are FREE AND AVAILABLE FOR FREE ON THE INTERNET!
Whoever wants to pay, let them pay for it, whoever wants it for free, contact me (and a host of hundreds of people too), who can walk you through this piece of cake.
Read “Zenus” post and you will agree with me that l am not the only one that knows how to do these.
@zenus

additionally, all you need to do with your Navigating system is to have a correct map in your memory card and put it in a device.
if your city does not have the correct map, you can use your device and do the road mapping with POI and transfer it to your map which u can a well copy it to your memory card.
Very Simple

That map above can work very well with your Garmin product, the map is Garmin map for Nigeria with Lagos well label.
All you need to do is to download it to a memory can using your product instruction

I dare you to sue me.
BTW: Sorry folks, this was a long “story” but l need to correct the impression that this is “rocket science” as some hustlers want us to believe! Its just a two step process, to change the map or add additional maps to your device. Cheers & happy new year, travel safely and quickly!

While l generally don’t like going into confrontation in online discussions (you cant see who u are discussing with and a lot of nincompoops hide under the cover of their keyboard to fart on the web!) l am constrained to send a rejoinder to this “labiyemmy”.

@labiyemmy

@lastpage
Free on the internet? you mean the hacked maps? Hackers are thieves, dont you know? and the ones you were able to hack and load on your phone are the old maps from the South Africans with less than ten Nigerian cities on it - compare it to ours which has 230 city maps? You cant beat that. And as we speak, we are in negotiations with over five international companies willing us to license our maps to them for their systems - why will you claim to have a country wide navigation system that only has less than ten cities nationwide on it?

You did not start this thread and only came in later. From your post, a few of which l humbly reproduced above, your interest is to sell as much “Maps” as possible and make money. While this is not a bad idea, l want to say two things:

1.) Ignorance is a bigger disease than HIV or poverty (it could give you both!). Even the Americans that “invented” the internet made it free and available 2 anyone, if you are able to harness the information on it. Were the internet to be invented by people like you, l guess only the richest of the rich will have access to it!

2.) Garmin products have been in use for years, before people like you even knew how to power-on a computer.
Like someone said, “there is nothing on earth that has not been made available for free, for anyone, on the internet” ONLY IF YOU CAN DO THE HARDWORK OF FINDING IT!

Without going into the technicality of “freeware” and “copyright” l want to say that loading MAPS into your “purchased” phone or Device is as simple as getting a “Memory Card”, transferring freely available data (MAP) into it and inserting it back into your GPS enabled Phone (N-Series, E-Series or some other high end phone or Navigation device).

One thing that is common among we Nigerians is EXPLOITATION.
We love to exploit ourselves. (The greedy ones amongst us at least.)

“Knowledge is Power” and it is common knowledge that the only reason even our National Assembly will not pass the Freedom of Information (FOI) Bill is that it gives the citizens access to information, which if well harnessed, translates to Knowledge, and then it empowers them! Yes, they want our citizens to keep wallowing in ignorance, which creates poverty, so that they can flaunt their mostly ill-gotten wealth in their face! They would rather buy a 4X4-Hummer Jeep to ride over pot holes than repair that road. They would rather use “Air Ambulance” than equip our hospitals, They would rather import a 40KVA Generator that make power available to all of us from PHCN (abi na NEPA sef?).l could go on forever.

It is the same mentality that people like “labiyemmy” have! Exploitative opportunist!
Are you more Garmin, than Garmin itself or how come the company has these European maps all over the internet, to be downloaded for free and used to upgrade your device?
A lot of things that the “Western World” have made available for their citizens, for free, to improve their lives, is “copied and brought to Nigeria, only to be sold at exorbitant prices.

In Europe and America, anyone can bear me witness that for “same Network-2-Network” phone calls and text, it is FREE, yes, free and they still make their profit but in Nigeria, they must exploit us by charging us for even “same network” text!
The Garmin device or the N97 Nokia phone costs a bit of money but UPDATING the device with additional MAPs is FREE. End of Story.

Why should l buy the Garmin device or any other device that is GPS enabled, and still have to pay for MAPS, anytime l am interested in going to another country or location? Is it the likes of this “labiyemmy” and the company he works for, that placed those Satellite in orbits? (the satellite the GPS uses to localize locations and routes).
What should the Americans who placed these satellites in orbit charge, if you charge this much just to “copy and paste” data (data that you did not manufacture o!) into a memory card? That means l will “buy Maps” for each and every country l need to go? Arrant nonsense, its only we Nigerians, especially the greedy ones that think they are the smartest, amongst us that believe that.
Again, these Maps are FREELY AVAILABLE from “Nokia OVI Maps” (from where l got mine), Google Street Maps, Garmin Website (not the Naija hustler ones) and a host of a hundred other places on the internet.

To be continued.

Hello labiyemmy,
Are you really serious or you're just playing on (making money -off) people's ignorance?
I will come back to you.

While l generally don’t like going into confrontation in online discussions (you cant see who u are discussing with and a lot of nincompoops hide under the cover of their keyboard to fart on the web!) l am constrained to send a rejoinder to this “labiyemmy”.
@labiyemmy

@lastpage
Free on the internet? you mean the hacked maps? Hackers are thieves, dont you know? and the ones you were able to hack and load on your phone are the old maps from the South Africans with less than ten Nigerian cities on it - compare it to ours which has 230 city maps? You cant beat that. And as we speak, we are in negotiations with over five international companies willing us to license our maps to them for their systems - why will you claim to have a country wide navigation system that only has less than ten cities nationwide on it?

You did not start this thread and only came in later. From your post, a few of which l humbly reproduced above, your interest is to sell as much “Maps” as possible and make money. While this is not a bad idea, l want to say two things:
1.) Ignorance is a bigger disease than HIV or poverty (it could give you both!). Even the Americans that “invented” the internet made it free and available 2 anyone, if you are able to harness the information on it. Were the internet to be invented by people like you, l guess only the richest of the rich will have access to it!

2.) Garmin products have been in use for years, before people like you even knew how to power-on a computer.
Like someone said, “there is nothing on earth that has not been made available for free, for anyone, on the internet” ONLY IF YOU CAN DO THE HARDWORK OF FINDING IT!
Without going into the technicality of “freeware” and “copyright” l want to say that loading MAPS into your “purchased” phone or Device is as simple as getting a “Memory Card”, transferring freely available data (MAP) into it and inserting it back into your GPS enabled Phone (N-Series, E-Series or some other high end phone or Navigation device).

One thing that is common among we Nigerians is EXPLOITATION.
We love to exploit ourselves. (The greedy ones amongst us at least.)

While l generally don’t like going into confrontation in online discussions (you cant see who u are discussing with and a lot of nincompoops hide under the cover of their keyboard to fart on the web!) l am constrained to send a rejoinder to this “labiyemmy”.
@labiyemmy

@lastpage
Free on the internet? you mean the hacked maps? Hackers are thieves, dont you know? and the ones you were able to hack and load on your phone are the old maps from the South Africans with less than ten Nigerian cities on it - compare it to ours which has 230 city maps? You cant beat that. And as we speak, we are in negotiations with over five international companies willing us to license our maps to them for their systems - why will you claim to have a country wide navigation system that only has less than ten cities nationwide on it?

You did not start this thread and only came in later. From your post, a few of which l humbly reproduced above, your interest is to sell as much “Maps” as possible and make money. While this is not a bad idea, l want to say two things:
1.) Ignorance is a bigger disease than HIV or poverty (it could give you both!). Even the Americans that “invented” the internet made it free and available 2 anyone, if you are able to harness the information on it. Were the internet to be invented by people like you, l guess only the richest of the rich will have access to it!

2.) Garmin products have been in use for years, before people like you even knew how to power-on a computer.
Like someone said, “there is nothing on earth that has not been made available for free, for anyone, on the internet” ONLY IF YOU CAN DO THE HARDWORK OF FINDING IT!
Without going into the technicality of “freeware” and “copyright” l want to say that loading MAPS into your “purchased” phone or Device is as simple as getting a “Memory Card”, transferring freely available data (MAP) into it and inserting it back into your GPS enabled Phone (N-Series, E-Series or some other high end phone or Navigation device).

One thing that is common among we Nigerians is EXPLOITATION.
We love to exploit ourselves. (The greedy ones amongst us at least.)

“Knowledge is Power” and it is common knowledge that the only reason even our National Assembly will not pass the Freedom of Information (FOI) Bill is that it gives the citizens access to information, which if well harnessed, translates to Knowledge, and then it empowers them! Yes, they want our citizens to keep wallowing in ignorance, which creates poverty, so that they can flaunt their mostly ill-gotten wealth in their face! They would rather buy a 4X4-Hummer Jeep to ride over pot holes than repair that road. They would rather use “Air Ambulance” than equip our hospitals, They would rather import a 40KVA Generator that make power available to all of us from PHCN (abi na NEPA sef?).l could go on forever.

It is the same mentality that people like “labiyemmy” have! Exploitative opportunist!
Are you more Garmin, than Garmin itself or how come the company has these European maps all over the internet, to be downloaded for free and used to upgrade your device?
A lot of things that the “Western World” have made available for their citizens, for free, to improve their lives, is “copied and brought to Nigeria, only to be sold at exorbitant prices.
In Europe and America, anyone can bear me witness that for “same Network-2-Network” phone calls and text, it is FREE, yes, free and they still make their profit but in Nigeria, they must exploit us by charging us for even “same network” text!
The Garmin device or the N97 Nokia phone costs a bit of money but UPDATING the device with additional MAPs is FREE. End of Story.

Why should l buy the Garmin device or any other device that is GPS enabled, and still have to pay for MAPS, anytime l am interested in going to another country or location? Is it the likes of this “labiyemmy” and the company he works for, that placed those Satellite in orbits? (the satellite the GPS uses to localize locations and routes). What should the Americans who placed these satellites in orbit charge, if you charge this much just to “copy and paste” data (data that you did not manufacture o!) into a memory card? That means l will “buy Maps” for each and every country l need to go? Arrant nonsense, its only we Nigerians, especially the greedy ones that think they are the smartest, amongst us that believe that.
Again, these Maps are FREELY AVAILABLE from “Nokia OVI Maps” (from where l got mine), Google Street Maps, Garmin Website (not the Naija hustler ones) and a host of a hundred other places on the internet.

.to be continued!

While l generally don’t like going into confrontation in online discussions (you cant see who u are discussing with and a lot of nincompoops hide under the cover of their keyboard to fart on the web!) l am constrained to send a rejoinder to this “labiyemmy”.
@labiyemmy

@lastpage
Free on the internet? you mean the hacked maps? Hackers are thieves, dont you know? and the ones you were able to hack and load on your phone are the old maps from the South Africans with less than ten Nigerian cities on it - compare it to ours which has 230 city maps? You cant beat that. And as we speak, we are in negotiations with over five international companies willing us to license our maps to them for their systems - why will you claim to have a country wide navigation system that only has less than ten cities nationwide on it?

You did not start this thread and only came in later. From your post, a few of which l humbly reproduced above, your interest is to sell as much “Maps” as possible and make money. While this is not a bad idea, l want to say two things:
1.) Ignorance is a bigger disease than HIV or poverty (it could give you both!). Even the Americans that “invented” the internet made it free and available 2 anyone, if you are able to harness the information on it. Were the internet to be invented by people like you, l guess only the richest of the rich will have access to it!

2.) Garmin products have been in use for years, before people like you even knew how to power-on a computer.
Like someone said, “there is nothing on earth that has not been made available for free, for anyone, on the internet” ONLY IF YOU CAN DO THE HARDWORK OF FINDING IT!
Without going into the technicality of “freeware” and “copyright” l want to say that loading MAPS into your “purchased” phone or Device is as simple as getting a “Memory Card”, transferring freely available data (MAP) into it and inserting it back into your GPS enabled Phone (N-Series, E-Series or some other high end phone or Navigation device).

One thing that is common among we Nigerians is EXPLOITATION.
We love to exploit ourselves. (The greedy ones amongst us at least.)

“Knowledge is Power” and it is common knowledge that the only reason even our National Assembly will not pass the Freedom of Information (FOI) Bill is that it gives the citizens access to information, which if well harnessed, translates to Knowledge, and then it empowers them! Yes, they want our citizens to keep wallowing in ignorance, which creates poverty, so that they can flaunt their mostly ill-gotten wealth in their face! They would rather buy a 4X4-Hummer Jeep to ride over pot holes than repair that road. They would rather use “Air Ambulance” than equip our hospitals, They would rather import a 40KVA Generator that make power available to all of us from PHCN (abi na NEPA sef?).l could go on forever.

It is the same mentality that people like “labiyemmy” have! Exploitative opportunist!
Are you more Garmin, than Garmin itself or how come the company has these European maps all over the internet, to be downloaded for free and used to upgrade your device?
A lot of things that the “Western World” have made available for their citizens, for free, to improve their lives, is “copied and brought to Nigeria, only to be sold at exorbitant prices.
In Europe and America, anyone can bear me witness that for “same Network-2-Network” phone calls and text, it is FREE, yes, free and they still make their profit but in Nigeria, they must exploit us by charging us for even “same network” text!
The Garmin device or the N97 Nokia phone costs a bit of money but UPDATING the device with additional MAPs is FREE. End of Story.

Why should l buy the Garmin device or any other device that is GPS enabled, and still have to pay for MAPS, anytime l am interested in going to another country or location? Is it the likes of this “labiyemmy” and the company he works for, that placed those Satellite in orbits? (the satellite the GPS uses to localize locations and routes). What should the Americans who placed these satellites in orbit charge, if you charge this much just to “copy and paste” data (data that you did not manufacture o!) into a memory card? That means l will “buy Maps” for each and every country l need to go? Arrant nonsense, its only we Nigerians, especially the greedy ones that think they are the smartest, amongst us that believe that.
Again, these Maps are FREELY AVAILABLE from “Nokia OVI Maps” (from where l got mine), Google Street Maps, Garmin Website (not the Naija hustler ones) and a host of a hundred other places on the internet.

.to be continued!

I like "Tpia"'s suggestion.

All of you who cant differentiate "an advice" from "an insult" should PLEASE FILM the slums in America or U.K or any other "Advanced country" and then post it on their own forum.
You can also add that india looks like its never been cleaned in the last one year or that from the air, it looks like "Oshodi market" before Fashola  assumed office!
Now, l[b]ets see whether they would be "embracing and clapping for you" or calling you a frigging monkey![/b]

Of course they have slums, so they should give you an applause or am l the only one feeling this cold?

Nuff said for now.