Politics › Re: Why We Will Break Nigeria Into Two – Afenifere Leader, Okurounmu by laudate: 4:26pm On Jun 01, 2017 |
Billyonaire: Still makes sense. The SW must apologize to Biafrans and we all can come together and abrogate the expired 1914 Amalgamation Treaty.
We need to know the mind of the SW brothers, they are neither here or there. I hate to call them cowards, but I am being forced to think that FFK and Fayose are the real champions who understand tomorrow. What offence did the SW commit against SE, that they need to apologise for? I don't get it, o! Where are those Yoruba people to answer dis question, sef? |
Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 3:14pm On Jun 01, 2017*. Modified: 1:34am On Jun 03, 2017 |
blueseacats: No country have violated humans rights in terms of seizing individual properties of a particular tribe, I might be wrong and I stand corrected. Crimea is now part of Russia, yet Ukrainians have access to their properties situated in Russia, even Georgians also have access to their properties in South Ossetia ,when there is no precedent in law court you take a clue from recent examples. Hope you understand that human right is subset of universal bill of rights, yes it takes United Nations or world powers time to act in cases of human right abuses. But you will bite more than you can chew when does abuses leads to massive loss of lives which will be the case here since you are dealing with a set of people who value their freedom no matter what it cost.
Reminding ibos that biafran war was tough does not really dissuade them from pursing freedom, if you think it does then you hardly know what those guys stand for.
To them freedom is not about living in penury, suffering and smiling, waiting for another tribe to start your agitation, or existing for the sake of it . Freedom to ibos means FREEDOM with no conditions and if they have to be free in their graves they will be happy doing that.
Long story short, they do not like slave masters, some ethnic groups in Nigeria might have another lord over them, but ibos will prefer to die than have a real king boss them around. Not that they really care about the properties, just that they can't go without a fight that's the ibo spirit.
Let me also remind you that we are in a global village now. Blockading people from getting food and arms while you get the best of the hardware in the world for free will never happen again. So don't count on that. I don't think there will be another's violence, but if it comes it will amaze you how the world have changed. The propaganda war will be like nothing you have ever seen before. Please learn how to quote properly, so that you do not mix up my initial posts, in the same block with your responses.  Now, let us all kindly go back and study the issues surrounding the relationship between Crimea, Ukraine and Russia. First of all, it was Crimea that declared independence from Ukraine and voted in a referendum to join Russia in 2014. They discovered too late that they had jumped from frying pan to fire, as it gave Russia a chance to then move in and annex their lands. Prior to that, the same Crimea had nationalised or taken over all Ukraine's assets on their soil. But they cried wolf, and began to appeal for help from the outside world when they discovered that their decision to join Russia had landed them in trouble.  What happened next? The UN issued its standard communique, but did not send in any forces to help Crimea. Instead they proposed the following: a possible UN-HABITAT intervention in Crimea should be to assist the domestic institutions to restore the rule of law and put an end to the widespread practice of illegal occupation of land. https://mirror.unhabitat.org/pmss/getElectronicVersion.aspx?nr=2438&alt=1 US and the European Union imposed sanctions on Russia. Why? Russia is a world power and the US has been trying to find a way to limit its' influence in world affairs for years. For the EU, Russia holds an important strategic position on the European continent, and they wanted to ensure that other nations do not follow Russia's example. But then you need to ask what kind of sanctions were imposed by the US on Russia? US president Barack Obama has also imposed sanctions on 11 Russians and Ukrainians, including two top aides to Mr Putin. Mr Obama's order freezes any assets in the US and bans travel to the 11 individuals named as responsible for the Russian move into Crimea. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-17/crimea-declares-independence-from-ukraine/5326938 These sanctions were against targeted individuals, not against the entire country of Russia. They were like a mild slap on the wrist. Even the sanctions imposed by the EU were minimal. 21 Russian officials were targeted by travel bans and asset freezes. Again the country of Russia was spared. Russia still had the clout to even vetoe US-drafted UN Security Council resolution to make the Crimean referendum invalid.  The EU later adopted a non-recognition policy of the illegal annexation of Crimea by Russia. The EU also introduced restrictive measures against persons involved in actions against Ukraine's territorial integrity on 17 March 2014. Over 149 persons and 37 entities were affected including about 60 Russian or Crimean politicians, members of the military, and govt officials for their role in the occupation of Crimea, 13 entities in Crimea were ‘nationalised’ by the de facto authorities, as well as a Russian state airline flying directly to Crimea. These measures were extended to 15 September 2016. Yet these measures have not stopped the properties of Crimean citizens from being seized till date. Neither has it stopped widespread human rights abuses within that territory. Since 2014, there have been reports issued by Ukraine on the current status of Crimea showing that: The Ministry of information policy of Ukraine organized a presentation of the publication "The Crimea.The annexed property" prepared by the Ukrainian Center for Independent Political Research (UCIPR).
According to Advisor to the Minister Emine Dzheppar the electronic version of the publication will be officially transferred to interested institutions. "The publication contains figures of the losses of Ukraine and its citizens due to the annexation. For example, Russia seized: 1500 subjects of state property of Ukraine; more than 600 subjects of private property of citizens of Ukraine; more than 220 subjects of cultural heritage; property of over 100 scientific institutions. Ukraine lost 5 seaports; fishing fleet, which is 70% of the fish catch in Ukraine; more than 600 resort and spa facilities; 154 subjects of nature reserves; 1022 branches of Ukrainian banks; 14 000 cultural monuments; 300 000 museum pieces; more than 14 000 subjects of art; 12 cultural institutions; 1947248 pieces of archival documents; 150 architectural sites included in the list of UNESCO; 141 agricultural companies and so on. These data suggest that the occupation authority in the Crimea acts as a thief", - said Emine Dzheppar. http://mip.gov.ua/en/news/1058.html?PrintVersion . The response from the UK was that thier "country is consistent in non-recognition of the annexation of the Crimea. "The UK Government pays great attention to violations of rights in the Crimea, including the violation of property rights. Since the illegal seizure of the Crimea, we, as well as the EU, does not recognize the annexation by Russia....". As at 2016, Crimeans were still lamenting that their properties had not been returned to them.  Since 2014 when Crimea was annexed by Russia, its' citizens as well as nationals of Ukraine have been begging different Western nations and international bodies to apply further sanctions on Russia. Yet, those Western countries have been dragging their feet. You really need to ask yourself if your proposed Republic of Biafra holds the same strategic importance, as Russia does to the West. Countries act based on self-interest, rather than any other interest.  It was for this same reason that the US invaded Iraq in 2003 and finally got rid of Saddam Hussein, years after he had attacked Kuwait. Don't forget that Kuwait was one of the world's largest producers of oil, and held a lot of strategic importance for US. Yet, when Liberia a former US colony in West Africa was at war, the US did not send in an armed unit to take out Sergeant Doe who was wreaking havoc in that country. It took ages before the outside world responded. And even then, it was ECOMOG forces under the leadership of Nigerian commanders that did so. Kindly remember this. All countries are equal, but some are more equal and more strategic than others. Do you think a newly formed Biafra on the west coast of Africa, would wield enough clout or strategic importance to make the Western world send in armed units in response to your country's call? Do you honestly think the EU will rush down to rescue your properties that are still on Nigerian soil? When the chickens come home to roost, assumptions will not automatically be transformed into solutions... |
Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 1:38pm On Jun 01, 2017*. Modified: 3:27pm On Jun 01, 2017 |
Curlieweed: "The five stages of grief; denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance are a part of the framework that makes up our learning to live with the one we lost."
This is an interesting thread.
I can't decide on which of the 5 stages of grief our "One Nigeria" detractors are. We have definitely seen the "denial" and "anger" but looks like a lot of them have jumped way past 'bargaining' and 'depression' to finally, sweet victory, "acceptance".
They can apparently now only muster a weak, "we won't allow you to visit". "Go with only your 5 core Igbo states"
Pathetic!
Like any hard core secessionist gives a flying fvck. Interesting.  A wise man once said that "if you are planning to build a house, please sit down and count the cost, or else you might start the project and be unable to finish it." Houses that stand the test of time, are not built by assumptions, but by thorough planning, skill, adequate risk management, appropriate costing, sufficient material and human resources, technical competence and expertise.  All we are doing on this thread, is to help our friends who are bent on secession, count the real cost of their proposed actions on all fronts, so that there would be no lamentations later, from their end. We know their modus operandi, already. They often embark on a course of action without checking all the possible outcomes that might arise, or designing foolproof ways to combat or mitigate them.  That was why they could not foresee that food would run out in their enclave in 1967, or that an economic blockade would bring their republic to its' knees in less than 3 years after the war started. They were banking on the illusion that their enemies would not interfere with their food supply. Today, they are banking on our govt authorities to give some some kind of free pass, naturalisation process or dual citizenship for them to remain in Nigeria, after their new republic comes on stream, despite the fact that nobody on this side of the divide has given them any guarantee or assurances in this regard.  This was how they banked on another region following suit once they had declared secession, despite the fact that the leader of that region came back again to remonstrate with their bearded general to withhold action, before declaring a republic. Till date, those chaps from the SW are still vilified for not following their lead. The secessionists had also based their hopes on sentimental rhetoric from their leader and promises from foreign allies, on sources of ammunition that would help them win the war. Their hopes did not pan out, and their dreams were dashed. They were helplessly outmanned, outgunned, outmaneuvered and outflanked. So they turned round to accuse the Nigerian side of genocide.  They forgot that war is not a tea party and when you go to war, people die. May the souls of the dearly departed on both sides, rest in peace.  I wish all pro-Biafra advocates Godspeed, in your quest for secession. But please, if things do not turn out the way you hoped, kindly do not blame Nigeria, its' citizens or their allies for not giving you some phantom support, which they never promised you in the first place.  Our response to you at that time would be: "We told you so."  Good luck in your quest for independence. *PS: No need for hate mail, please. Just sharing my thoughts. Insults, tantrums, name calling and vitriolic responses will not be dignified with an answer... |
Politics › Re: IPOB Begs Urhobos/Isokos To Observe May 30th Sit At Home Biafran Day by laudate: 12:42pm On Jun 01, 2017 |
Notasyouthink: Dude shut your stinking mouth and stop massaging your useless ego it will lead you to nowhere. bia4ra will come with urhobo and isoko as part and parcel of the new country and the funny thing is that, you as a yoruba person cannot stop it. Guy, you have just made an incoherent statement that can never materialise. That substance you have been smoking is not letting you see clearly. Please try and understand that drugs are bad for your health.  |
Politics › Re: Updates From The IPOB Declared Sit-At-Home Protest (Pictures) by laudate: 12:06pm On Jun 01, 2017 |
mathy001: Have you printed your award yet. I took pains to design it specifically for you. You deserve it. Pages upon pages of a supposed Urhobo man's defence? Who would have thought I'd see the day?
This thread has been bookmarked for many reasons. Congrats once again. You may continue trolling now. There are other Urhobos that need to be defended on this forum.
Have a look at your certificate again: You just take style finish dis guy today.  He has been huffing, panting and getting hysterical in a bid to score cheap points by defining who is an Urhobo man, and who is not. How can someone be wasting time, energy and efforts on such a petty issue? I weak, o! |
Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 11:55am On Jun 01, 2017 |
DONGOYARO1: You ibos are icorrigible !! So you are now banking on the North. We are no longer ''Gworo chewing illiterates'' we are no longer ''Almajiri'' you ibos always act before you think. You are now banking on us in the event that you get your biafra. Very funny. Dangote, the richest black man in the world, is a Northerner. Does he have a single investment in iboland? No !! You ibo should get prepeared. Once you get your biafra, you are all leaving Nigeria Aw goodness...don't do this!  Please stop it. You are making me laugh so hard! Oh noo...no...this isn't fair. I just have to stop laughing before someone thinks I have lost it.  Hehehehe.....this is such an epic response!  You are something else! |
Politics › Re: Updates From The IPOB Declared Sit-At-Home Protest (Pictures) by laudate: 1:44am On Jun 01, 2017 |
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Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 1:33am On Jun 01, 2017*. Modified: 1:54am On Jun 01, 2017 |
AnonyNymous: Automatically? Nope. Please read up the number of countries that recognised Biafra as an independent nation the first time. Even in the modern world, Kosovo recently gained their independence but are not recognised by all. Thank you, o jare.  Let them continue building castles in the air, and living a pipe dream. Tomorrow, they will come and tell you they had an agreement with the UN, that it would use international law to defend them, any day they split from Nigeria. Can you imagine their skewed logic? |
Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 1:19am On Jun 01, 2017 |
blueseacats: Listen, the bill of rights its not coming on a the negotiating table, when you try to take people's property by force, violence ensures, the violence this time will not be overlooked by the international community. And if you think ibos will watch you grab what they worked for without a fight you obviously have not heard of 'ibo landing' like I said, this is not 1967 this violence is what will bring the world's attention the Britons are probably wondering how they got it wrong by supporting the north, that won't be the case this time.
You see what's going on in Syria? International politics has evolved, each country will take sides To sell their arms, then it will be a shit show. Stop confusing yourself.  I asked you if the UN had applied sanctions on any country for violating the Universal Bill of Rights, in spite of the fact that its member states keep breaching its' provisions. Answer that question first, before digressing to the issue of Syria.  And what would the Igbos do if their property is seized by the Nigerian govt? You feel they will go up in arms, right? And you think the Nigerian authorities will fold their arms and look at them, without replying fire for fire? Let them think it through. They would just end up losing on every front. They have obviously not learnt anything from the events of 1967 - 1970.  What a pity.... |
Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 12:14am On Jun 01, 2017 |
blueseacats: Have you ever heard of something called universal bill of rights? article 17 of the United Nations. Yes Nigeria is not signatory to it, ( what do you expect from a zoo?) but there is a clause which states that a non signatory countries can be made to abide by it if their actions is termed naturally unfair to humanity. And have you ever heard of sanctions? And what is the sanction for non-adherence to the Universal Bill of Rights?  In every member state, where there have been breaches to the articles of the Universal Bill of Rights, did the UN roll out the tanks or enforce some kind of punishment upon them? Please get real!!  Go back and read that Bill of Rights and tell me, if every country that is a signatory to it has not breached (or is not continually breaching) any of the provisions of that bill, as at today. The UN has not yet invoked sanctions against any of its member states, for breaches of that bill. So think again. |
Politics › Re: Updates From The IPOB Declared Sit-At-Home Protest (Pictures) by laudate: 12:00am On Jun 01, 2017 |
mathy001: I didn't read the textbook defence he spewed for someone who claimed to be Urhobo and yet is nowhere to be found to defend himself.
When someone claims to be a member of an ethnicity, it is expected that the person should at least know the simplest thing about the ethnicity. Something as simple as where you originated from shouldn't be too difficult to say! If you can say you are Urhobo on a public forum, telling us where you come from in Urhoboland shouldn't be difficult. The said person did not do or say ANYTHING to convince anyone of his/her Urhoboness. After a while, the person even ran off, presumably to cool off in Aba.
Here we are, with Ikenna0b, someone who may even be behind the account -need I mention- jealously defending the person as if he is so knowledgeable about Urhobo affairs. Remember November last year on that Niger Delta won't join Biafra thread when one Ikechu something claimed this account belonged to an Ijaw who created it in 2010 and waited six years to use it for anti-Biafra purposes? I am pretty sure this is the same person because he maintains his Asaba origin claim (a claim which he has NEVER proven -might I add-). This is the same person that assumed Bantudra was not an Urhobo because he could not speak Urhobo. This person is now here defending someone that cannot speak, read or write Urhobo just because the person seems to be sentimental towards Biafra! Can you imagine such double standards and height of rascality and obvious selectivity of opinions? Is that how they want to populate Biafra? Support only those that seem to be in tandem with their policies and attack those that don't?
You are wise for not dragging yourself into this because this dude is a loose canon with so much free time on his hands to propagate Biafra and attack all of its critics!
Back to you Ikenna0b or whatever your name is: you need to assess your life and take your time off your computer to go and beg your community witches who have tied your destiny at an Iroko tree in Ezzamgbo, Ebonyi State. You seem not to have anything useful doing with your life hence defending an Urhobo impostor would be the least of your worries. You took this matter so personal as if Nnamdi Kanu himself is paying you for it. Imagine an Igbo defending a "supposed" Urhobo just because of Biafra! Since when did that begin to happen? Since when exactly? You are so blinded by Biafran idealism that you do not see through your own double standards. If you must defend EazyBay as you have been rattling around pretending to do: provide proof that s/he is Urhobo; show us where the person spoke, read, wrote or understood Urhobo (email addresses don't count because Batundra may also have an email like ogagaoghene@gmail.com)! It was the same treatment you gave Batundra (by the way, I am still waiting for the thread where I was mentioned to call him out) and you must apply the same standard to another self-acclaimed Urhobo, EazyBay!!! Lest, I'll leave you here knowing that you are a hypocrite and I'll certainly return one way or another to throw this in your face! You dey mind am? Leave that clown alone, abeg. You should be familiar with the dubious modus operandi of his group. Everyone knows his antics on this forum.  |
Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 11:53pm On May 31, 2017 |
Mujtahida: Your last line is probably what Nzeogwu told Co travellers on the night before that dastardly act and see where we are at now? See! You are such a ba-aa-ad boy!!  |
Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 11:53pm On May 31, 2017 |
blueseacats: Quick question, why did Russians allow Ukrainians access to their property in Crimea?, why were Georgians given access to their property in South Ossetia. There are international laws that has guaranteed world peace since World War Two Nigeria is too small for United Nations, remember Bosnian war. Biafrans just needs to know which buttons to press. This is not 1967. Please list those international laws and their descriptions here, which have given citizens of break away states access to their properties. All your glib assertions need to be backed by fact. |
Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 11:51pm On May 31, 2017 |
Dannidom: Instead of rambling like a weakling why dont you think about the fate of your own people post biafra era Sir, I will leave all the rambling to you. My own people are none of your concern. They are already true Nigerians. Once again, may your death wish come true. |
Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 11:49pm On May 31, 2017 |
wirinet: You are making loads of assumptions here. The rights to allow foreigners into a country resides only in the government of that country. Nobody including ECOWAS or UN can force Nigeria to accept biafrans in the event of a split. Only negotiations and agreements between the countries will ensure nationals of each country can work and live in the other country. After BREXIT, the fate of Europeans living in Britain and British living in Europe is uncertain, it is after the brexit negotiations that their fate will be known. In the US, it is the courts that have stopped Trump from deporting all the "bad hombres" and banned all Muslims from entering the US, not any UN. Exactly! Your post make sense, die!!  The UN is even very careful about interfering in the domestic affairs of nation states. They have different agencies that provide assistance in different areas, but they would only do so by working with the govt agencies within those countries, when they are invited to do so. For example, there is the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) which was put together by the United Nations and several countries are signatories to the convention. Has the UN invoked any sanctions against its member states that discriminate against women? NO. Does it mean violence against women still does not take place within those countries?  The UN can only continue to use persuasion, dialogue and negotiation with govt agencies in member states to provide information on the forms, incidence, causes and consequences of gender-based violence against women, as well as measures to confront it. I still do not understand why the pro-Biafran groups are hinging all their hopes on some amorphous international law they have not specified, which the UN would use to come to their rescue, in the event of a split with Nigeria. I don't get it, o!  |
Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 11:35pm On May 31, 2017 |
blueseacats: Nigeria does a lot of things outside the circle of international laws, but, be rest assured that those laws exist and shall be invoked when it has to do with a large number of world citizens. Guy, if it was so easy to invoke international laws against any country with respect to self-determination or getting a new homeland, the crises between Palestine and Israel would have been resolved long ago.  You chaps keep chanting international law, without referring to the specific law you are basing your hopes upon. Secondly, it takes a long time to invoke a specific piece of legislation against a country - it could take years.  Thirdly, if a country is not a signatory to a particular treaty or international law, you cannot invoke sanctions against it for an offence that breaches that law. You guys need to stop living in a fake paradise.  |
Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 11:29pm On May 31, 2017 |
Dannidom: Give me freedom, I dont want nothing more.
I knw many freedom lovers wil ascind to this.
And dont forget we want it at any cost Guy, you can have what you want, including your death wish. Best of luck.... |
Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 11:21pm On May 31, 2017 |
Dannidom: I rather die in my biafran dream than waking up to face this cesspit ruled by braindead animals Ok, may your death wish come true. Amen! |
Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 11:02pm On May 31, 2017 |
plaetton: Again, repeating it for the 4th time today, no one seems willing to read , understand and respond to an issue in the proper context without throwing in a hypothetical situation as a rebuttal.
Nome of all of you guys have made any points to refute the facts I presented. Is there an ECOWAS treaty or not ? Is Nigeria not a signatory to it or not? The answers to the above vindicates me.
If Nigeria decides to be an ECOWAS renegade, that's another topic altogether.
However, you're all hung up on the your envisaged and hypothetical projection that Nigeria would or should RENEGE on its ECOWAS treaty obligations, which itself is a completely different topic by itself.
This is the single simple point that you and others miss? Guy, you are still missing the point. Please go back and get a copy of the ECOWAS Protocol on Free Movement of Persons and read it thoroughly. Pay special attention to Article 4, which still gives member states the right to refuse entry to any citizen of another state, based on its' internal laws. |
Politics › Re: Updates From The IPOB Declared Sit-At-Home Protest (Pictures) by laudate: 11:00pm On May 31, 2017 |
Ikenna0b: Oh now I remember. The ID I did that do was LAUDATE. I quadruple dare you to post where any of my ids did the bold to your urhobo claiming id.. Why on earth are you dragging my name into this?  |
Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 10:52pm On May 31, 2017 |
azimibraun: South Sudan hurriedly pursued independence. They got it without proper planning. They thought they had the oil, but they forgot the whole channel of getting oil out of their part of Sudan depends on the main Sudan. Now heavy taxing and trade and transport conditions from the main Sudan wants to kill them. The main Sudan now make oil money without owning oil. They own the transport route and infrastructure. South Sudan want to die but they have to live with it. Biafra will depend grossly on Nigeria. Stay in Nigeria with respect or beg to survive in Biafra True!!  South Sudan was so eager to be free, that it did not think critically of what would happen to its people and its' revenue from oil, which was still firmly dependent on its parent country. They made the mistake of leaving their infrastructure to chance. I hope the pro-Biafra agitators would learn from the experience of South Sudan.  |
Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 10:35pm On May 31, 2017*. Modified: 10:54pm On May 31, 2017 |
azimibraun: Till this moment the state. Of Isreal has not been recognised many middle-eastern countries. Iran is one of such. What has anybody done about it? Why has Palestine not being allowed an a sovereign nation free of Isreal till this moment and nothing has changed from Yasser Arafat. And Yitzak Rabin till now; has the two state solution worked just yet? Isreal has the upper hand ant the world can't force them to comply to any " Yeye" international law. Nigeria may treat Biafra like Isreali/ Palestinian relationship. Exactly!! Now you get the point!  Just look at Kashmir and India. How long has the agitation for secession been going on? See these pro-Biafra agitators acting as if everything would work out like magic, once their proposed republic is launched. One of them even went as far as to make this allegation: Let me state that when countries secede. The UN has commission that takes over boundary resolution and Migration of entities within and without the geographical locations. Nigeria will NOT, I repeat, will NOT decide how the Migration laws are implemented after secession. There will be timeframe about 5years for citizens of both countries, resident within the territories of each others' bothers to accept Citizens on First Rights of Refusals. The Taxation is handled by Office of Foreign Assets Control, and ofcourse the tax brackets are already there ECOWAS member State, so such laws are invoked after the expiration of the moratorium. I was shocked when I read this....  they are actually expecting Nigeria to give a time frame to their Biafran citizens on migration issues. And they were expecting the UN to enforce this.  I couldn't stop laughing when I read that. Can you see how these chaps give themselves false hope?  They even thought ECOWAS could compel Nigeria to act in their favour. ECOWAS cannot compel Nigeria to do this, as the treaty on free movement still contains Article 4, which gives any member country the right to deny entry to a citizen of another member state, based on its internal laws. As for taxation, there is no country whose internal tax regime is governed by ECOWAS. In fact, let me just stop here. These chaps have built too many castles in the air, and by the time it crashes, there would be no reprieve.  |
Politics › Re: What Will Niger Deltans Really Gain From Being Part Of Biafra by laudate: 10:03pm On May 31, 2017 |
Develpeast: A point raised is meant to be countered with a superior point which makes the former invalid by the postulator. Saying a particular line of thought is hogwash or zeroed down to school kids is you not engaging in the argument but committing a fallacy of ad baculum.
I believe when you are inquired to come have a table talk about the future of your people, keeping in mind the reality of our today, you will still dish out this same argument. Right? You do not know my people. They have had a round table conference, and they can never be part of Biafra. Thank you. googi: I cannot understand all the promises either. It seems Biafra is afraid to go at it alone. Let Igbo have their country, Urhobo their country, Ijaw their country, Isheki and Edo too. If it does not work out, each can join whichever country they want.
They have enough problems getting Aquam and Rivers to join then.
Go at it alone if you're serious. Thank you, o!  Is that not what some of us have been saying? Must they lobby other ethnic groups to become part of their Biafran experiment? Why can't they just do the whole thing alone? Fear dey catch dem... |
Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 9:20pm On May 31, 2017 |
Mujtahida: Bobby Fischer the Leonardo da Vinci of chess renounced his American citizenship and became an Icelander. Just this morning I read that John Lennon of the Beatles fame rejected his MBE title because of Biafra. Guts! Qelvin, shey you can see what these men did? Oya, we are all waiting for you to put your money where your mouth is....  |
Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 9:04pm On May 31, 2017 |
Billyonaire: Do me the singular honor of checking out my posts, I am not a tribalist. I can not reduce myself to a simpleton. I am not even a nationalist, I do not put myself in a box. Ask around, I am not even a earthen human specie. I am an interdimentional spiritual entity resident in a robotic human body but when it comes to issue of Biafra, it is an option. No one is happy the way Nigeria has become. I do not think you are also happy.
I noticed that most of my Yoruba pals that we have discussions about Biafra with, are truthful in saying ...#We can not stay in this mess alone. #You guys have to stay with us. #We have no natural resources that is why we support the North to force you guys to stay. #Why do you guys want to share the oil money alone. #We do not have the political numbers of the North and the Commercial prowess of the Igbos, lets make Nigeria work.
My brothers and sisters. We can not continue this way. If you guys want us to have a working country then all Igbos and Yorubas MUST stop the tribalism.
I am ashamed of both Yorubas and Igbos on nairaland. I am from neither of these tribes but I am Biafran so naturally I am closer to Igbos since Biafra is in the DNA. When I hear some people say that certain places in the SS are not Biafra, I laugh at their foolishness. Asari Dokubo was with the Biafrans and have rightly stated that it is better to go with Biafra. He is a militant and Militancy dies the day Biafra is born.
Quote this always from Billyonaire:
#Militancy Dies the on the Date of Birth of Biafra# Guy, dem send you?  I cannot agree with the half-baked notions you keep throwing around on cyberspace, because they are just so far removed from reality. Nigeria may not be working, but the solution is to fix it, not dismember it.  A philosopher once said: "States are made up of the men in them. Therefore, we cannot have better states, until we have better men.." Isn't it the current breed of politicians, importers of all things substandard and fake, that would populate your Biafra? Or are you bringing in saints from outer space? There is nothing on ground in your Southeastern enclave to show that you can make your region a success, which would then lead people to concur with your expectation that Biafra would be great. Instead of fixing your internal issues, you are busy flinging around empty rhetoric, and building a hope that is buoyed by false dreams.  If Asari Dokubo is your new deity, then I truly pity those of you who are his adherents. Asari has not contributed anything sensible, or valuable, either politically or socially, in the public space. And now you are trying to canonise him? Jeez!  |
Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 8:55pm On May 31, 2017 |
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Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 8:44pm On May 31, 2017 |
Mujtahida: Afonjaaaaa!!!!Let me go look for ewedu for you to drink.
We have to own this afonja title and neutralise it. Cheers Sorry to burst your bubble. I am not even from the Southwest, o!  |
Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 8:38pm On May 31, 2017 |
Mujtahida: MMM in the midst of the recession was a sweet dream. Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers, educated, intelligent people were hypnotised by the lure of easy money. When I joined the bandwagon I hated and attacked those who called for caution, anyone who said please reason this thing out, I looked at him like leper, a kill joy. The only people I loved were the Mavrodians. We loved each other die. The more fanatical you were the better. We dreamed together, praised Mavrodi as our god and savior who had come to save us from recession.
Guy you know the rest of that tragic story.
Now a new, shining dream has come again. The mass mind, unthinking, unreasoning has kicked into effect. Today if you say 'Nwoke, Bia think this Biafra thing oo, look at it from another angle, consider the variables, a cackle of hostile voices will cry Afonja!!!!(but I love that billy goat meme screaming Afonja, have you seen it? It's really beautiful) that tasty soup is splattered over your face and you get called Ewedu licker. I understand it all. Been there, done it before.
I wish Biafrans good luck BUT think, please think. Maybe Kanu has things figured out sha but I doubt cos just today I read this his message thus "In line with this remarkable sit at home held yesterday I will not hesitate to congratulate the people of Abia state, Anambra state, AKWA IBOM STATE , BAYELSA STATE , CROSS RIVER STATE , DELTA STATE , Ebonyi state, Enugu state, Imo state, RIVERS STATE including the good people of IGBANKE in EDO state, IGALA clan in KOGI STATE and IDOMA /IGEDE /AGATU in BENUE state for sending a clear and unmistakable message to the whole world that this Biafra self determination effort driven by IPOB is uncompromising," https://www.naij.com/1107484-nnamdi-kanu-supporters-complying-sit-home-order.html.
Cheers. These chaps have started their tales by moonlight again. IGALA clan in KOGI STATE and IDOMA /IGEDE /AGATU in BENUE state....inside Biafra?? How??  Come, what kind of concoction have these chaps been sniffing?  |
Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 8:30pm On May 31, 2017 |
ISpiksDaTroof: How is it possible to "CAST EXASPERATION" on you?
I stopped reading after that. Not only cause your epistle is too long, but because I know it will be filled with words which you clearly don't know its meaning.
I do not need the extra headache. 'Cast exasperation,' ke? ROFLMAO.  I guess he wanted to say "cast aspersions," or what do you think? honeychild: ROFLMAO. Damn!!!!! Abeg, abeg, make una stop am....I no fit laugh again!  |
Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 8:22pm On May 31, 2017 |
omenkaLives: Laudate, I've followed your back and forth with this poster, but this particular post of his got me scratching my head like WTF!
Nigeria making a law (that should be a policy by the way) not to trade with biafra dude says is an "international law"? 
Dahell!
Mr Op, such an act is called a "foreign policy" and not an international law as you put it. An international law is ESSENTIALLY a law that was agreed on by several independent sovereign states under a common body such as the UN.
An international law MUST have signatories (nation STATES) who observe such laws. When a country makes a unilateral decision, be that a law or a policy, it can NEVER be referred to as an international law. Except of course we live in a world with a One World government. In fact, I no wan talk again because I see say the guy no even understand wetin dem dey call international law. He is just chanting "international law" up and down, as if it is a magic wand of some sort.  Even when a country signs a treaty, it still has to ratify it and domesticate it within its own internal body of laws, for it to have effect within its' borders. There are several types of international laws. Ask him to cite the specific one he is making reference to, and you would see him looking blank. |
Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 8:13pm On May 31, 2017 |
Billyonaire: Are you from Akwa Ibom or Rivers State ?
If you are not from these places then please do not commit fallacy of hasty generation. I am telling you facts, and you say 'the people from these places are'. Go back to your history and read about these people you mentioned. They are warriors. They kill with matchet, yes. I have been to the places you mentioned and I can guarantee you daily that I receive calls asking how Lagos feels about the agitation and I echo my undiluted advise that if we can get to agree of Regionalism that we can kill 2 birds with a Stone. So, Yes, I know these places and I mentioned the towns to you. I have pals from all over these places but I happen to be doing business with lots of these people because I had vested interests in the crude oil deals in my earlier years. I will not allow sentiments to becloud my reasoning. I am all in support of Regionalism and if it fails, we will do the Biafra thing.
The National Grid (Transmission) still belongs to the Feds. In fact, the grid is not a problem to us. I have 14 Oil wells in my LGA alone, and I infact, covered one of the wells in my backyard and chased the Shell workers away while I was in the University those days. If you come to my house now, I will give you crude oil, I take it where ever I go, as a symbol and to show that I come from Oil. So please my good friend, I am not here talking about Biafra as a spectator.
My Father lost everything to Biafra War, so to me, it is in my DNA, but I prefer Regionalism because I love my Yoruba friends a lot and I will like us to jaw-jaw instead of War-war.
Do me a favor and prepare to move into Biafra with me. There is nothing to enjoy in Nigeria, absolutely nothing to miss too. You are asking me to move to Biafra? God forbid!! Tufiakwa! God will not allow me to suffer from the same delusion that has enveloped you and your ilk. In fact the answer you just gave me about the transmission grid, shows that you know nothing about electricity generation, transmission and distribution. Having oil wells does not translate into 24-hour electricity supply or instant wealth. But this is way beyond your understanding. Oga, keep living in your fantasy world. The Kalabaris, Ijaw, Ogoni, Annang, Efik, Ibibio etc., and other minorities will soon show you a clear picture of today's reality. smh Don't be deceived by Asari Dokubo's posturing. GeniusDavid: Jesus. I find it quite annoying drawing Rivers state into the mix. The Ibo speaking part of Rivers state consist of about 40% of the state and like it or not, half of the ikwerre's don't believe in this Biafra hogwash. Believe it or not, the only reason you hear about Rivers state here and there is cos Easterners all over come to settle down there for greener pastures and not because it belongs to Biafra. Be it as it may, any Biafran in Rivers state would be subject to Nigerian laws or face deportation. Leave them, nah!  When push comes to shove, everybody will answer im papa name.  |
Politics › Re: Will Igbos Be Deported From Nigeria If Biafra Is Declared? by laudate: 8:03pm On May 31, 2017 |
To all those prospective Biafrans banking on the ECOWAS Treaty of Free movement of Persons, to remain in Nigeria even after Biafra has been declared, please read this excerpt from a scholar and tell us what you think. ECOWAS Protocol on Free Movement of Persons
The Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) was formed in 1975 to among other things encourage, foster and accelerate the economic and social development of the Member States in order to improve the living standards of their peoples (ECOWAS Treaty, 1975). The Member States include Benin, Burkina Faso, Cape Verde, Cote d’Ivoire, The Gambia, Ghana, Guinea and Guinea Bissau. Others are Liberia, Mali, Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria, Senegal, Sierra Leone and Togo.
This was based on the conviction that the promotion of harmonious economic development of the Member States required effective economic co-operation and integration largely through a determined and concerted policy of self-reliance.
The recognition of the need for economic integration including free flow of persons, goods and services stimulated the enactment of Protocol on free movement of persons, and the right of residence and establishment in 1979.
The first phase of the Protocol guaranteed free entry of citizens from Member states without visa for ninety days, and it was ratified by all member states in 1980. The second phase of the protocol, right of residence became effective in July 1986 and all member states ratified it. However, right of establishment is yet to come into force.
Not withstanding the protocol, a member state has the right to deny entry of any immigrant considered to be inadmissible by its laws (Article 4). https://www.imi.ox.ac.uk/events/ghana-african-migrations-workshop/papers/clottey.pdf |