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PhonesRe: China Bans The Sale Of Iphone 6S, 6S Plus, 7, 7 Plus, 8, 8 Plus And X by linearity: 10:57am On Dec 11, 2018
TechCapon:
Huawei didn't violate any sanctions. ZTE is the company that violated the sanctions on Iran and North Korea and they've paid heavy fines.
Huawei violated US sanctions, if the current allegations are proven to be true.

The US is alleging that Skycom is fully owned by Huawei and Skycom is selling products containing US made parts to Iran, which violates the sanction against Iran.
FamilyRe: 62-year-old Nigerian Woman Delivers Triplet After 33 Years Of Marriage (photos) by linearity: 10:25am On Dec 11, 2018
ItsTime4me:
My guy I don't subscribe to your line of reasoning. God can still carry out his miraculous deeds through a second entity. Remember the case of Moses? God did not part the red sea himself. He used Moses to do so. In fact Moses practically stretched out his stick under God's direction. Why didn't God do it Himself? Does the fact that did He not do it Himself not make it a miracle?

You may argue that in that case of Moses, it's obvious that God was directly involved. But you need to realise that God works on mysterious ways that we can't comprehend. He is a maneuverer of situations. We don't always know when He is involved. So many persons have done IVF but were not successful. Some persons have taken paracetamol because of a slight headache but died in the process. But what if a paracetamol that normally cures headache is about to take a person's life but does not do so as result of God's intervention, which was not obvious to you? Would you say it's not a miracle?

My point is, whether someone or something is involved in the success of an event, you just never can tell what God has done in the process. So always learn to give him the glory. That's why He is God
Again, you are mixing science with miracles; they are not the same. The Moses’ incident you pointed out is a miracle....why? Because you can’t walk up to a sea today, stretch your rod and it will part ways, you can hit your rod against the floor and it will turn into serpant.

God is all powerful, He does not need an IVF, a competing solution to barrenness to make a lady fruitful, He is a jealous God and would not share His glory with any.

Paracetamol does not kill, it does not cure any headache, and it does not fix the underlying cause of your headache, it merely releases hormones that masks your pains from your brain, while your body inbuilt mechanisms possibly work out the real cause of your pains. If the effect wears off because your body finishes its work, the headache will return and you will need another dose to buy additional time; if the underlying cause is life threatening the person will pass. This is clearly explained in science to a T....no miracle here.

Same with IVF, the doctors will tell you with varying degrees of certainty if you are a candidate for it or not. Your chances decreases with age, but are are never zero, as the conditions for viability can be re-induced and maintained artificially...all these are clearly documented and proven via medical science....it is not a miracle.

The only reason one can asscriibe these to miracles is because of limited knowledge. You saw what happened, you could not comprehend it, it amazes you, you could not fathom it, it was impossible to you or from your standpoint, then ‘it is a miracle’.....

But was it really a miracle? Can if be explained logically? Can it be proven scientifically? If yes, then it is not a miracle...In fact, the fact that, am typing this stuff here and you are somehow able to read it despite been separated by miles from each other, is a miracle to me, because I don’t understand it, I can’t break it down and explain it to you step by step....but to the guy next door is launching at my ignorance and lack of knowledge, because he is an IT guru and can dissect this stuff to me....he can even build his own internet from first principles....meaning, it was my Mumu that was on full display and not that, this was a miracle, if I paid him the right amount of money, he can even teach me this stuff.

My point is, you cannot prove God’s miracle. You can’t scientifically dissect them. You cannot logically explain them....you just have to believe them! They defy logic and human reasoning!
FamilyRe: 62-year-old Nigerian Woman Delivers Triplet After 33 Years Of Marriage (photos) by linearity:
airsaylongcon:
You are speculating IVF by your comment about man made. Let's us agree without conceding that it is IVF. Is it man made that she carried the babies to term? Is it man made that she didn't die during gestation? Even IVF is it man-made that the pregnancy became viable?

Please acknowledge God where he has shown is mighty hand
For the records, I believe in God and in Miracles.

That said, everything you mentioned e.g. carrying a baby to terms, not dying during gestation, viability of IVF babies, etc are scientific based and can be explained via science and mathematics.

Adding 1 + 1 and getting 2 is not a miracle; if you run out of gas and your car stop as a result; putting gas inside and it starts up again is not a miracle, throwing an object up and it comes down is not a miracle....These can be explained based on science and mathematics; just like IVF, carrying babies to terms, etc even for a lady in her menopause; so just like these are not miracles, IVF is not a miracle.

Thinking about it critically; since we ascribe all knowledge to God, the guy that invented/discovered combustion Engine, IVF or gravitational force, etc were the ones God used for the 'miracle' because they revealed or made possible what was not known to mankind prior. Subsequently going through IVF and giving birth to a baby is no more a miracle than throwing an object up and it coming down to earth.

God does not need human intervention for Him to perform His miracles....Sarah was barren and God manifested and she gave birth without human intervention, that was a miracle....Mary knew no man, she conceived as a virgin and gave birth without human intervention, that was a miracle. He is a jealous God and does not want to share His glory with any. When you start giving glory to Him, and then said she used IVF which alone can scientifically explain her pregnancy and birth...then you are attempting to share that glory between God and IVF. Same way, you can not lay your hand and pray over your paracetamol tablets, drink them and when your headache is cured, you praise God...if you want God to take the glory, dish the paracetamol, pray and believe Him for a miracle or healing....If you do not have that level of faith, then drink your paracetamol and thank God for giving the chemist that discovered paracetamol the know-how to do so.
FamilyRe: 62-year-old Nigerian Woman Delivers Triplet After 33 Years Of Marriage (photos) by linearity:
I reserve my comments.

At least, one have to be very sure that, God have a hand in it, before giving Him the praise. Some of these ‘miraculous’ happenings in Nigeria are man made and man arranged.

In the whole of the history of the Bible, which span more than 6000 years as we were told; only a single incident of a post-menopause birth was recorded and God had to intervene in that rare occasion to preserve the lineage of His promised Saviour for mankind.

As advanced as the western world is, scientifically and medically; we don’t hear of these post-menopausal miraculous births as frequent as we hear them occur in Nigeria.

The only plausible reason might be that, God maybe Nigeria-biased and favors us more than any other nation on earth, hence these ‘miracles’....but when you look at the ritual killings, Fulani herdsmen, Boko Haram, polithieves, clueless leaders and strange believes and practices, you begin to question the foundation of that favoritism, if it is true at all.
EventsRe: Obituary Of A Nigerian Couple Who Died On The Same Day by linearity: 10:00pm On Dec 10, 2018
Hmm
Christianity EtcRe: Tithe: Akpororo Blasts Daddy Freeze Again. Has This Question For Him by linearity: 8:17am On Dec 09, 2018
Realsense:
A lot.
His relationship to his partner is anti Christ.
His attacks against even church while he goes against his principle.
His beer stance is epic.
There is more which I know you have, but I will hold on.
Every thing,he talks is a twisted interpretation of, the Bible.
He is not communicating love but hate and anger.

Now many are responding to his twist mind unlike time past where the church keeps silent and allow it to pass.
Let him answer and let continue. To watch
BTW...living in sin is not the same as anti-Christ, we have all sinned and anyone said, they don’t have sinned even after been saved are liar.

Saying ‘his attacking against the church...’ is too broad and vague; be specific about the ‘attack’ that makes him an anti-Christ.

To be specific, he has been focal about tithe not been for New Testament Christians.....starting from there, can you cite a single place where Jesus teach or preached about tithe to his disciples?
Christianity EtcRe: Tithe: Akpororo Blasts Daddy Freeze Again. Has This Question For Him by linearity: 11:25pm On Dec 08, 2018
kenzysmith:
The truth be told daddy freeze is an antiChrist someone who will come out to say Davido sings better than Wizkid someone who spends time listening to circular songs u expect a real Christan to take his hypocritical preachings serious . someone who want to implement is god yenosha to us I refuse to be deceived I stand with Jesus
Which of the teachings of Christ is he against or anti?

Some food for thought.....Come to think of it, since Christ never mentioned or teached about tithe, don’t you think that the label of ‘anti-christ’ appropriately depicts those currently teaching what he didn’t teach?
RomanceRe: My Life Is At Stake by linearity: 2:02pm On Dec 07, 2018
linearity:
I believe the lady is a coward, she is just try to intimidate you to see how you react. And, she will continue to push, if you let her.

You don’t owe her anything, to marry no bi by force. It does not cost a penny to write a complain and send it to the Police...sorry except to buy money to buy a pen and paper.

When write to the Police, company their boss at the state level and make that fact known to them. You are a Nigerian citizen and have the right to complain to the Police if your life is in danger. They may demand money from you, don’t give them if you don’t have, copying the State level will put them on notice if they don’t act.

Also copy this lady, when you write the Police, let them know that, if anything happens to you, they should hold the lady and her mother responsible.

Once the lady and her mother knows that, the Police, your church and all have known that, they will be the first people to be interrogated by the Police if anything happens to you, they will not only back off, they will start praying for your safety, because they know their peace depend on it.

Make such you document and include all their threats in your complain. You can’t just seat back and allow someone else to control your life like that.
RomanceRe: My Life Is At Stake by linearity: 2:02pm On Dec 07, 2018
Respect55:
All these things listed here will just cripple my little efforts here. It's not enough to make an entry BUT DO U HAVE MONEY to follow it up.
Maybe I will have to go to church
I believe the lady is a coward, she is just try to intimidate you to see how you react. And, she will continue to push, if you let her.

You do owe her anything. It does not cost a penny to write a complain and send it to the Police...sorry except to buy money to buy a pen and paper.

When write to the Police, company their boss at the state level and make that fact known to them. You are a Nigerian citizen and have the right to complain to the Police if your life is in danger. They may demand money from you, don’t give them if you don’t have, copying the State level will put them on notice if they don’t act.

Also copy this lady, when you write the Police, let them know that, if anything happens to you, they should hold the lady and her mother responsible.

Once the lady and her mother knows that, the Police, your church and all have known that, they will be the first people to be interrogated by the Police if anything happens to you, they will not only back off, they will start praying for your safety, because they know their peace depend on it.

Make such you document and include all their threats in your complain. You can’t just seat back and allow someone else to control your life like that.
HealthRe: Man Drinks Bottle Of Gin To Impress His Friends, See What Happened Later. Photo by linearity: 11:41am On Dec 07, 2018
The same friends will also be at his burial.
RomanceRe: My Life Is At Stake by linearity: 11:32am On Dec 07, 2018
Respect55:
Would have reported to the church but we will be punished for courting without the church board 's notice.
I think her mum is even part of this so reporting to her is even out of the equation now.
I don't trust the police.
I'm thinking of leaving
You said your life is in danger from someone threatening to do you harm, but afraid to report her to the church for fear of punishment from the church?

And you don’t trust the Police to even petition them?

Bros, you neva serious.

The only to be safe is to document her threats, take pictures of her stalking you and expose her.

Petition the church and including lots of evidence, copy her on that petition.

Petition the local police, copy the police at the state level, also copy her.

Expose her on Facebook and warn her to desist from you.

She wants to control you and you can’t be careful enough to persuade her otherwise, so you must go full throttle against her or pack your baggage and leave PH.
CelebritiesRe: Morayo Aka-Bashorun: My Husband Is Not A Pedophile by linearity: 2:09am On Dec 07, 2018
lilmax:
this woman is dull.....who gave birth to her?
her mother gave birth to her...next question? grin
CareerRe: Tell Three Equipments Of Your Work And Let People Guess What You Do by linearity: 1:38pm On Dec 06, 2018
gulfer:
Baton, handcuff and four walls angry angry angry
Ex-convict.
CareerRe: Tell Three Equipments Of Your Work And Let People Guess What You Do by linearity: 1:36pm On Dec 06, 2018
bluefilm:
Mine is:

1. Pørnhub
2. Xvideøs
3. Bangbrøs

Let me see my fellow church members.
Jobless
CareerRe: Tell Three Equipments Of Your Work And Let People Guess What You Do by linearity: 1:30pm On Dec 06, 2018
wikky042:
Laptop
Iphone 7
Tortoise ..
Yahoo +++
CareerRe: Tell Three Equipments Of Your Work And Let People Guess What You Do by linearity: 1:29pm On Dec 06, 2018
ibietela2:
Laptop, mouse, mifi
G-boy
CareerRe: Tell Three Equipments Of Your Work And Let People Guess What You Do by linearity: 1:29pm On Dec 06, 2018
Awoleesu:
Bed, pillow, blanket...
Ashawo
CareerRe: Tell Three Equipments Of Your Work And Let People Guess What You Do by linearity: 1:27pm On Dec 06, 2018
crisycent:
Ak47, leg chain, mask.
Boko Haram
CareerRe: Tell Three Equipments Of Your Work And Let People Guess What You Do by linearity: 1:27pm On Dec 06, 2018
JIDEproudAFONJA:
Condoms, Alamo, Postinor, extra pants
Rapist...smiley
CareerRe: Tell Three Equipments Of Your Work And Let People Guess What You Do by linearity: 1:23pm On Dec 06, 2018
Bholutife18:
Mobile phone, data and vpn
Yahoo Yahoo, you just using VPN to mask your IP address.
CareerRe: Tell Three Equipments Of Your Work And Let People Guess What You Do by linearity: 1:21pm On Dec 06, 2018
abluck:
Phone,laptop and weed grin
Yahoo Boy...smiley
RomanceRe: Please Guys Confirm With Me If This Is A Scam. by linearity:
If the ‘iPhone’ was to surprise you, why is she ruining the surprise by telling you?

Bros, na your brother dem dey use your head so.
EducationRe: Adigun Olawale Emmanuel, UNILORIN Student Commits Suicide (Photos) by linearity: 12:51pm On Dec 04, 2018
KingThreatzz:
Sniper should be banned.
I was once suicidal when i was denied visa to US before then, i failed to reach the cutoff to enter unilag. Depression was my best friend then. Thank God sniper was not anywhere around me then over 10 years ago. If it was, i wont be typing this here.
Depression is like a wind that blows, not everyone is strong enough to resist it.
God help us.
Bros....Thank God you were strong enough to overcome your depression.

But, I have to disagree with you that sniper should be ban....where do we go from there? Ban knives? Ban Train? Ban Toothpaste? Ban Air Conditioners? Ban Fridge? Ban cars?
SportsRe: Kanu Nwankwo Celebrates His Brother Ogbonna's Birthday With Throwback Vs Now Pic by linearity: 11:05am On Dec 04, 2018
SIMPLYkush:
Kanu should go and worry about his heart disease and stop posing for camera, see how unkempt he look, ugly failed footballer, nothing to show for...
“Those who the gods want to kill, they first make mad” - Things Fall Apart.

....bros, ebilike say you don kolo oh!

I beg, make you no allow village people gather for your matter. Be vigilant and guide your utterances...enuff said!
PoliticsRe: Electoral Amendment Bill 2018: 3 Political Parties Ask Court To Stop Presidentia by linearity: 10:14am On Dec 04, 2018
Assenting to or declining to assent to a Bill is Executive constitutionally protected role. You can’t sue the President and ask the Judiciary to prevent him from carrying out his function.

If you think the bill contravenes the constitution, sue to have it invalidated after it has become law...or lobby the Presidency and beg them to veto the bill.

If NASS have the votes, they can override Presidential veto and the bill becomes law.
Christianity EtcRe: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Pretribulation Rapture Departure Or Apostasy From The Faith? by linearity: 2:09am On Dec 04, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

From the bible passage above, we see that the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ will not happen until after there is a falling away and the son of perdition (Antichrist) is revealed. The rapture won't occur until Antichrist has been revealed. How you people believe it will occur before he is revealed is what baffles me. Can't you all see clear scriptures?
That passage is talking about the second coming and not about the Rapture.....There are many signs that will occur before the second coming....But the Rapture, there is no signs, no warning...the Bible used words/phrases like these to represent the Rapture..It will be like a thief in the night, it will be sudden, it will occur anytime now...when they will say peace peace, then it will occur, etc...
Christianity EtcRe: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Pretribulation Rapture Departure Or Apostasy From The Faith? by linearity: 1:53am On Dec 04, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
It's not about what you believe but about what the Bible says. Does the Bible speak of two separate events?

Where?
Bros, If you are already entrenched in a single end-time event related to the coming of Jesus Christ; there is truly little I can do to change that; more so, that belief is not central to our salvation nor redemption, so it might just be fruitless for us ping-pong among each other on the internet over this. Whether you believe is a single end-time event or believe in a two end-time events; as long as you are saved, you are as good as golden.

That said, I strongly believed in two-end time events as indicated in the Bible.....The first event, is the Rapture aka catching-away of the Saints to meet with Jesus in the Air and the second event, which is the second coming aka Jesus coming with ten thousands of his saints and they will touch down on mount Olive, from where He will establish his millennial reign with the saints after defeating the anti-Christ and their Armies in the war call Armageddon.

These are some differences with scriptural verses of events, general atmosphere immediately before, during and immediately after each:

Rapture: Christ comes for His Saints (John 14:3; 1Th. 5:28; 2Th. 2:1). Second Coming: Christ comes with His Saints (1Th. 3:13; Jude 1:14; Rev. 19:14+).

Rapture: Christ comes in the air and saints meets Him in the Air (1Th. 4:17). Second Coming: Christ comes to the earth and his feets touch down mount Olive (Zec. 14:4; Acts 1:11).


Rapture: Christ come to claims His bride (1Th. 4:16-17). Second Coming: Christ comes with His bride (Rev. 19:6-14+)

Rapture: Believers will be removed (1Th. 4:17) Second Coming: Manifestation to the whole world (Mal. 4:2).

Rapture: Only His own see Him (1Th. 4:13-18) Second Coming: Every eye shall see Him (Rev. 1:7+).

Rapture: Thereafter, the seven years tribulation will begin (2Th. 1:6-9) Second Coming: Thereafter, the Millennial reign of Christ with His Saints will begin. (Rev. 20:1-7+)

Rapture: Believers are delivered from God's wrath (1Th. 1:10; 1Th. 5:9) Second Coming: Unbelievers will experience the wrath of God (Rev. 6:12-17+)

Rapture: No signs precede rapture, it is imminent; it could happen the next minute or second and without warning, no one know the time (1Th. 5:1-3). Second Coming: Many Signs will precede the Second Coming and there will be many warnings, plus it wouldn't take place until after the seven years tribulation on earth (Luke 21:11, Luke 21:15).

Rapture: The Focus is Lord and Church (1Th. 4:13-18). Second Coming: The Focus is Israel and kingdom and Israelites resumption of sacrifices in the temple to God. Jesus did not abolish the old testament, it was suspended and will be resumed and Israelites whom Jesus referred to as 'other sheeps' will be brought into the fold. (Mat. 24:14)

Rapture: Believers depart the earth (1Th. 4:15-17) Second Coming: Unbelievers are taken away from the earth (Mat. 24:37-51)

Rapture: Precedes the career of the man of sin aka the Anti-Christ. (2Th. 2:1-3) Second Coming: Terminates the career of the man of sin aka the Anti-Christ (Rev. 19:20+)

Rapture: World will be deceived (2Th. 2:3-12) Second Coming: Satan is bound so he cannot deceive anyone.(Rev. 20:1-2+)

Thanks and God bless.
Christianity EtcRe: Daddy Freeze Criticizes RCCG On Tithe Banner "Don't Be A Robber! Pay Your Tithe" by linearity: 7:02pm On Dec 03, 2018
Kennydoc:
Now, here's what I believe.
Giving offerings or paying tithe isn't what makes anyone rich. There are principles of wealth creation that if anybody applies, they can be rich. There are more atheists and unbelievers who are rich than there are Christians. Just the same way the sun shines and the rain falls both on Christians and unbelievers, that's how wealth is.

Giving to God is mandatory for every believer. One of the ways we prove our love for God is by our giving. God so loved the world that He gave... When we love, we also give. The church of God truly needs money to operate. The problem comes when the money coming in is more than what that church needs for their basic operations. That's where many pastors start failing cos they do not realise that the excess coming into the church should be for the benefit of the entire church not just for them. Will I say I should stop giving because some pastors don't manage the extra very well? No, cos if we stop giving to the church, the work of God will be crippled. I am mainly talking about churches where Christ is the central focus. Of course some so called churches are pure business centres. I don't have any business with such.

A true believer that is walking with God knows that all his money belongs to God. Those referring to the early Church where tithe wasn't paid should remember that those believers then gave their ALL. People sold off ALL their entire possessions and brought the money to the church. How many of us can do that today? The church then had enough funds because people sold off everything they had, brought the money to the church and believers' needs were easily provided for. That method can't work in today's world, just like we can't expect people to sell all they have. That's why giving 10% of your income should be the least every believer should do for the sake of the body of Christ. Some people with greater understanding even give more than 10% regularly. The point is that part of your earnings should be dedicated to God.
Where I have a problem with many pastors is their thinking that the whole tithe belongs to them alone. The money shouldn't ideally be for the GO or the pastors alone, but for the benefit of all the believers in need.

As for me, I am not poor by the grace of God. I still have more than enough after giving my 10%, so I will continue to give it. Sometimes I give it to missionaries, but that's the farthest I can go with it. From the 90% I have left, I still have enough to support the less privileged around me, which I do occasionally.
As for pastors that misappropriate the church's money, it's not for me to judge, neither will I stop giving because of them. God will judge that ultimately.
You are on point on most, but let me address these few where I have a different opinion...

10% as giving threshold only have bases in the law and not in the dispensation of grace. In the New Testament, the Bible commands that...”so as eachone desires in his heart, so he should give...”..it also said, we should give cheerfully, abundantly, etc. My take here here; someone can give 1%....and the other can give 50%. God will accept all and bless all equally. The one that gave 50% is not more blessed by God compare to the one that gave 1%.

Secondly, we are also commanded to give to the poor, widow and needy around us. If the Church becomes too greedy and have excess as you put it; I will start giving more to the poor, widow and needy. The sole purpose of the early believer selling everything and bringing it to the Apostles’ feet is because, the Apostles redistributed those resources to the poor...I can bet my life that, had the Apostles instead diverted the funds to their own personal use as is example today in many places of worship, they would have stop giving to the Apostles.

Jesus never paid tithe, never preached about tithe....not one single sermon about tithe, the Apostles never once mentioned it....I think if their is an aspect of my Christian life that will put me in the position of robbing God and making Him to curse and not Bless me; Jesus would not have neglected in mentioning it and the Apostles would have written about it more once to all the early churches over which they were Pastors.

I also want to correct one thing; giving to God is not mandatory; it is done of a freewill, as one desires...if something is freewilled or out of one’s desire; it is therefore not mandatory. That said, we are encouraged to give, so that His work will continue....and the Holy Ghost is the one that will conviction each and everyone of us to give as He wants us to give.

Many people give out of fear that, they are robbing God; many gives as a means to bride God to give them riches; others give out of a guilty conscience....All these are wrong and those should not be the reason we give, infact it is far better you don’t give all....we give because, He first gave to us, period!
Christianity EtcRe: Daddy Freeze Criticizes RCCG On Tithe Banner "Don't Be A Robber! Pay Your Tithe" by linearity:
Kennydoc:
So are those enlightened people now richer since they stopped giving their 10% to the church? Is the church poorer now that many people have been enlightened and have stopped giving?
These are some of the questions you should ask yourself.
If it is a zero sum gain as you put it above, why are the Pastors attacking him and some even cursing him out?

Yes, 10% to the very poor could mean the difference between putting one square meal on the table or going to bed hungry....it could make the difference between providing school uniform for your kids or them going to school in rags.

Prosperity preaching have no root in Bible...the riches countries in the world and even the riches man in the world does not tithe a penny to God and still get blessed Him abundantly and put him on Forbes....whereas the poor in Africa who still give their widow’s mint tithe are not any better poverty wise, year-in and year-out.
Christianity EtcRe: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Pretribulation Rapture Departure Or Apostasy From The Faith? by linearity: 11:57am On Dec 02, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
I'm not here to argue about whether apostasia was wrongly translated not. I'm only here to show that the Bible passage clearly shows that the Antichrist will be revealed long before the rapture. Dont you understand what Paul meant when he said the day of Christ's second coMing won't happen until the Son of Perdition which is the Antichrist is revealed?
How come you now thiNk you will be raptured before then?
Your opinion is correct and the OP is also correct.

I think the confusion here is, if you believe that the Rapture and the Second Coming are two distinct and separate events.

I personally believe that, they are two separated events, separated by the seven years of tribulation during which the falling away and revelation of the son of perdition will occur.

So, the OP is correct that; believers will not see that revelation of the son of pedition, because they would have been raptured to meet the Lord in the Air.

You are also right to state that; Christ will not come until the revelation of the son of pedition is reveal and there is a falling way, because Christ second coming and touch of his feet on mount olive with tens of thousands of his angels and with the saint will not happen until after the seven years tribulation when the son of pedition will be revealed.
PoliticsRe: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by linearity: 11:23am On Dec 02, 2018
MetaPhysical:
You are correct, except one....even US Presidents can go to jail if tried and found in violation of law.
Here is how it works...A sitting President of US cannot be indicted by Courts but he/she can be impeached by Congress. The President have the liberty of course to grant himself a self pardon from the impeachment.

Here is how he can be arrested, just like you said....but only after he becomes ex-President

1 - Federal prosecutors (usually FBI, which is the law enforcement under DOJ) can bring charges against him/her in a Grand Jury and get indictment.

2 - the state that has jurisdiction in which the crime was committed can issue arrest warrant (if they want to humiliate him/her) and or be civil and simply bring a charge against the ex-President and have him docked for trial.
My reference is to Presidents, ex-Presidents are like every other citizen and can be arrested, indicated and jailed.

I doubt if an impeached President have the power to pardon himself....

Firstly that theory has never been tested in the US court.

Secondly the vast majority of legal scholars out there believe it is unconstitutional, because it make the President above the law and the Supreme Court has ruled that, the President is not above the law.

Thirdly, Presidential impeachment and trial are conducted in congress and this branch of government is separate and co-equal to the Executive and the constitutional threshold vote to convict a President at trial in the Senate makes Presidential veto moot.

Fourthly impeachment in the House of a President is not a conviction of that crime, it is a form of grand jury. Since he has not been convicted of any crime at this point, until tried and convicted in the Senate, there is no crime to pardon himself of.

Fifthly, Presidential impeachment and trial in congress are constitutional political mechanisms and not criminal ie. You can’t lock up a President simply because he or she was impeached in the House, then tried and convicted in the Senate; so technically at this point; such a President does not have a criminal record of which he or she can pardon him/herself from. The only immediate consequence of a successful trial and conviction of a President is the removal from office and the President simply have zero Executive control or power over this, only if he/she have some political cloth, will there be salvation.

Once impeached, then convicted, he/she is now an ordinary citizen like everyone else; except that they can have reduced secret service strictly for protection....if congress then refer the crime to DOJ, DOJ will then decide if they want to trial the ex-President criminally or not...if they decide to trial him and he is convicted, only then will they have a criminal record, which can be pardoned by the next President. The next President can also pardon the ex-President after DOJ criminal indictments, but before criminal trial commence.

However, if the indictment is at the State level; the next President can’t pardon the ex-President...it is up the Governor of that State to either pardon or allow the law to follow through.
PoliticsRe: Atiku Returns To Nigeria, No Assurances Of Entering US Without Being Arrested by linearity:
awelekiti:
The liars are at it again. Once USA approves your visa, it means you've been cleared of any charges( if you were once indicted of one). Visa means, access or clearance . Atiku doesmt need any further approval anyfurther the visa has been issued to him. Only some gullible minds would believe this fake news. The man is on his way to the uk now, if he's not there already. No amount of apc lies would stop me from voting this man next year. Right-thinking Nigerians know we need him.
You clearly does not know what you are talking about.

Visa just means permission to board an international vessel and travel to the port of entry, does not not guaranty admission/entry and does not guaranty that, you may not be arrested.

In fact the US embassy or the visa issuing agency, which is the State department cannot guaranty anyone from being arrested as they do not control that department. National, DOJ controls that...even the DOJ cannot guaranty anyone from being arrested, because any State in the US can arrest you....even if the DOJ and State guaranties you against arrest, any County or town or municipality can arrest you.

You can see the futility in asking the State Department to guaranty him anything. Only the President of the United State, Governors can be guaranty against arrest....The only time, you can be granted such immunity is if the Nigeria government issues him a diplomatic passport.

That being said, am not in anyway stating that...he will be arrested. My point is simply that...No one in the US government can guaranty any traveler not holding a diplomatic passport a guaranty against arrest, because there are many agencies who have arresting powers in the US and many are not answerable to the Federal Government seated in Washington DC.

From the above, you can see why it is wrong to assume that, the mere issuing of a visa means one is cleared of all charges. State Department issues visa and DOJ handles charges and arrest at the federal level.

Just like the DOJ either at the Federal, State, local, etc levels cannot give anyone guaranty that; they will be issued/denied a visa because they are crime free; same way the State Department cannot guaranty anyone that, they can/can’t be arrested because they were given a visa.

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