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buzugee: but i have to tell you logicboy you are really not responding well to this refining process. what is it going to take to purify you ? starvation ? famine ? a deadly disease ? fatal disaster ? you are as hard headed as can be.

Slavery.


A good christian flogging into submission would probably change my ways

musKeeto: :-) Pastor Logic boy, don't let Goat2man catch you with that moniker. He'd put your name on Nls Satanic agents thread ASAP..

noted

tpia@:
Can someone please call these dogs to order on the what makes someone a christian thread. They ruined the first one and still in their joblessness are barking on the second one. Kindly clean up one or both of the threads, and God bless you as you do so.

Aah, just like your racist saviour, you call people "dog" and "heathens". Shows the kind of morals christianity gives;



Matthew 15:21-28
New International Version (NIV)
The Faith of a Canaanite Woman

21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”

23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

Evil Brain: You guys should keep wasting your time kneeling down and flapping your lips. After all we can all see how well that has worked in the past few decades. Maybe we should all ask Santa Claus to bring us some less corrupt leaders while we're at it.

There is nothing the criminals ruling us will like more than for Nigerians to keep wastimg our time with this useless prayer cräp instead of hitting the streets, courts and trenches to force the necessary change.

Two hands working are better than a thousand clasped in prayer.

Epic comment, sir!

tbaba1234: There are thousands of combinations using 114 chapters and an even sum of ayahs (using even and odd numbers) that would not give you this balance... The Quran uses one that does... That is the point here....

You really expect me to waste my time looking for one combination out of many?

tbaba1234: It looks like you just learnt the word 'strawman'. It is not a strawman assignment... you called it a simple 'maths trick' and you can't replicate it. After this, who can possibly take you seriously? ....

Yes, you are right, it is not a strawman. Justa a waste of time. Thanks for the correction

musKeeto: Indeed logic boy. Mans conscience is flawed and our moral compass can only be recalibrated by love. The reason you hate 'God' is due to the lack of love shown by most of his followers... I mean read tilapias who's a Christian thread.. they treat morals and values like its not necessary to get you 'eternal' life.... yet Jesus Parable of the Good Samaritan proves otherwise....

Maybe Samaritans will get eternal life, Christians heaven...

Yep....if only christians were more like the good samaritan.....

musKeeto: Men of God only accept spiritual challenges. How does God fight with one who lacks 'faith'?

I dont know if you're being sarcastic


Anyways, I am asking the church to practice what they preach about fasting.


Fasting is also spiritual- denying yourself physical nourishment to get spiritual nourishment! #Pastor LogicBoy

buzugee: psalms 14 vs 1[b] The fool says in his heart, "There is no God[/b]

proverbs 26 vs 4 Don't answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are

aiit let me go checkout your heathen thread

You see? See what the bible does to your conscience? Your bible calls all atheist fools and you accept it even when you know that is wrong and plain bigotry. Bigotry against atheists. Are you saying that 64% of Japanese people are fools because they are atheists? Have you looked at Nigeria/Isreal before pointing fingers?

logicboy: No, two fools are more foolish than one fool.


Man's conscience is already flawed and then, adding the flawed bible to it is worse.

buzugee: same ol mundane atheist tripe. i would hate to invest with you if you were a broker. you dont know how to diversify your portfolio.

Address the challenge; what is wrong in asking a church to practice the fasting it preaches?

Ngwakwe: Are you now claiming to be God or acting on His behalf. Please Logicboy does God exist or were your denial of His existence based on disappointment by your religious leaders?

You have bad comprehension skills. I dont believe in God. When I say that "money is god" it is only metaphorical. Why not address the challenge? Is it too much for tithing pastors to handle?

Ptolomeus: Yes it's true.
My mistake arises from what was the slave trade to America.
A destination that I meant.
That (the trade to America) was initiated by the Portuguese, and followed by the Dutch and Spanish (the latter in smaller numbers)
Obviously, the Indian Ocean trade will go back to the ninth century, had not yet discovered America!
My apologies.

I agree!


Football;

Uruguay 1 Venezuela 1

Please visit my new thread, abeg! This one is my best thread ever!

https://www.nairaland.com/955416/challenge-tb-johsua-pastor-chris

buzugee: you have a conscience, i have a conscience and a guide. two heads are better than one.

No, two fools are more foolish than one fool.


Man's conscience is already flawed and then, adding the flawed bible to it is worse.

Goshen360: @ Ijawkid,

There are things you may not know about dreams....I "guess", I don't mean insult. Weather, as "thought" , "imagination" or "dreams" or "vision"....they all happen exist in the spiritual before it is birth to the visible. Many times, I see the way you turn down some spiritual issues here on this board but however, I guess it is based on your KNOW/edge. Knowledge is what gives you edge over others.

Everything exist in the spiritual before it is given birth to in the natural. I am not a scientist but I just told you what I saw and there are many thing God show me in a dream but I can't say it in the open. If they need praying, I will pray about it. If not, I will go about my normal business. Sometimes, dreams don't make any meaning to us but when they happen as it is given in our dream then we make sense out of it. Don't despise the gift simply because you don't have it.

Goshen abeg, I need you on my new thread;
https://www.nairaland.com/955416/challenge-tb-johsua-pastor-chris

Now that I have your attention, let me explain my challenge and beliefs.

My belief as an atheist is that there is one true GOD on earth and that is MONEY. Money is important in our daily lives and it solves many problems- actually, most human problems.

Here is my challenge;

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Jesus fasted for 40 days and 40 nights. I want churches to prove that they do not worship money and that money is not more important than their God by fasting for 40 sundays (9-10 months) without offering or tithes or any monetary donations. The churches can accept any gift other than money (eg cars, food, clothes, people direcly paying the church's electricty bills/for fuel etc). The church must not collect money or cheques of any kind. Prove that money is not God.

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Christians, please tell your pastors/priests about this challenge. All churches should try this!! Moderators, please put this on the front page!

Or is this challenge too much?

Buzugee, you dey smoke weed or something?

Deep Sight: Oh, and by teh way, as per the OP - one should not bother with these sorts of discussions. The notion that atheism is a religion is just iddiotic.

Thank you!

100% proof that christianity supports slavery.

While I feel sorry for the families that lost close ones, you people harden my heart when you mention God.

You say that God should bless them, err why didnt God allow survivors or stop the crash?


This is what believing in a God makes you do. Stupidity

LagosShia: ^

my friend i am telling you what Islam says and not what muslims say or do or do not do.i am not denying slavery out of taking prisoners of war existed.but you have to understand the perspective of Islam and not opinions.

huh, nice try, what I say is from the Koran.

elvisimeh: besides eternity, Man has alway had d craving to rely on a superior being. Science has proven faith to be therapeutic. I don't care the religion u practice, but hold unto something. I'm sticking with d science folks though, and believing in Jehovah God.

Yes, but the supreme being is another man. This time, Nigerian christians don't worship Jesus, they worship a white man. Jesus probably looked Arab but they paint Jesus as a white European in their churches.


Furthermore, some parts of science negates the creation story told by many religions. Evolution states that we evolved from other animals. We were not created

LagosShia: what you are saying is what you bellieve and not what the Quran says.

Wrong. I am clearly stating what is in the Koran and what it meant in Muhammad's time.

LagosShia: slavery is not haram because in the islamic context,people become "slaves" by taking them prisoners of war.in modern times,you cannot refer to those taken as prisoners of war as "slaves".but in the ancient they are referred to as "slaves".the possible change in modern time in not referring to prisoners of war as slaves is because of the trans-atlantic slave trade.the british and europeans made it a thriving trade and objectified human beings.

Yes, because slaves did not do hard labour? Or concubinage of females slaves wasnt practiced? Majority of your own muslims (even Shia) disagree with you. So, you lose. Even islamic websites claim that slavery was allowed in Muhammad's time. Not my words and not words from the infidel West but from your own muslim brethren.

LagosShia: all you said that the Quran orders muslims to be kind to slaves is aside.there is a verse you are ignoring that commands muslims on what to do with slaves:

"So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates…"[47:4]

Stop acting as if you did not see the two words that I highlighted in your verse.

-Why is it a favor to give people their "God-given" freedom, that is theirs in the first place? So, if not willing to give a favir, then you wont free slaves

-Ransom? What happens when the slave can not buy his or her freedom. Or no one wants to buy the slave?

-Furthermore, the full verse says nothing about freeing.

"So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds."

LagosShia: also,punishment in the shariah for committing a crime or breaking a rule or not following a religious injunction may not be indicated in the Holy Quran.it becomes a jurisprudential question where a marja-al-taqlid who is a shariah expert in a shariah court can issue verdict.it could be as low as a fine or asking the person to do optional fast.also,our handling of prisoners of war is an issue of iman (faith).we are to emulate the Prophet (sa) who would order muslims to walk in the desert sun while the prisoners of war are giving privilege to ride on camel while in a journey returning from a battle.so if one fights for Allah (swt) and take prisoners,being cruel to other humans is not islamic.now,i as a muslim can have a slave if i go to war and we get prisoners of war.other than that,i free them or allow them to ransom themselves through years of work and then set them free or allow someone else to pay the ransom.in the event they embrace islam,and become one of us,we embrace them.even in that case,they may decide to still be working for you but all with a different treatement than when they were unbelievers.but would i go to the market to buy a slave as a muslim for the purpose of enslaving another human being when i know servitude is only for Allah? no,i would not!would i do like the british who would lead expeditions to capture slaves?no!if the muslims were not oppressed,there is no need for war or battles.fighting in islam is solely for defense.we do not lead campaigns to capture slaves to do business or get rich as the british did.but we fight to defend ourselves because those prisoners of war were among those who oppressed muslims.

You went off topic here and you said something that really annoyed me. You talk as if Arab muslims did not take slaves from Nigeria and West Africa. Took my fellow Nigerians and made some of them Eunuchs.

17 million black african slaves taken by Arab muslims.

ijawkid: Lol

Because d internet is 1 of satans major tool...........lol

But on d contrary,in my case religion still lives here on d net.....

So you are using Satan's major tool? Doesnt that make you complicit? See stupid christian thinking can get?

elvisimeh: You could do with a little optimism bro, believing in God it's nt an end but rather a means to an end(paradise). That's why Jesus foretold hard times to come(and it's evident even in developed societies). I'd rather believe in God and find out after death dat there's no God, than live in unbelieve to find out after death that there is a God. Mind you i'm nt a fanatic.

Sharaap. So you're only a christian out of fear? Hell doesnt exist. It is a lie told to keep people believing in religion

vedaxcool: Day 4, passed, NO ANSWER provided by atheistboy to an otherwise "simple thing to do" question! Wednesday is closing in!

If you like, count to the year 2055, I am not playing by your strawman assignement.

ijawkid: D 2nd thread was created to run away from u and logic boy.....

Lol

Soldiers of christ on the run.

Why is it that religion dies on the internet?

the funclub enterprise: The fact u believe in something does not mean you fear it!

Are u educated??...u argue like a "road side"

You call yourself educated and you believe in juju?

You are a great example of the average hypocritical Nigerian christian. Shaking for Juju while claiming that their God is all powerful.

You said that you would do nothing if you saw a juju man beating a young girl, who is accused of witchcraft/demons. Kai.

There is no supernatural. none

ijawkid: Bush is also is not a chrustian.....

All of them aren't christians........

They are not followers of christ........

Name all of them...

From all d abraham lincon,bush's father and bush and obama.....

They are all satans agents.......

I am coming out plain to tell u this....

Non of there actions show they are christians...................

They don't preach about Gods kingdom...

They foster d worlds mentality and they are slaves to d ruler of d world not to God.....

Its like saying ceaser was a christian....


They'v all killed,gone to wars.....

They'v all engaged in selfish deals



They are never followers of christ....

You can call me a fool for all u like...

From d bible its so clear who these guys are and who they work for.......

I have told u to come to 9ja ,join ogboni and run for presidency......

But u keep running.....

U tink d world is what u think it is.....

D bible tells it all brother

And what gives you the right to judge, Mr. Self Righteous, hypocrite?

For all the "real" christians questioning Obama, how come they never questioned if Bush was a christian?


These 3 things make someone a christian

-going to church
-praying
-saying that you're a christian

The word "christian" has a very ambiguous and diluted meaning. To claim that someone is a real christian will run the rist of a no true scotman fallacy.

One would argue that the 3 things that I listed are not enough to be a christian. However, if you met someone in church and you sam him praying, do you have the audacity and the biblical grounding to tell your friends that the person is not a real christian?

Matthew 7
New International Version (NIV)
Judging Others

7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you

ijawkid: How do u mean Jesus didn't oppose gay??

Did he approve of them??
Jesus cherished repentant wrongdoers not some incessant sinners who proudly wanna wallow in there loose conduct.......


Let me tell u,if a gay doesn't repent b4 d end comes then he/she cannot and will not inherit Gods kingdom.....shikena.....its as easy as ABC

Because of world issues like the gay issue,engaging in wars, that's why Jesus won't even engage in politics,because he knows satan is already in charge....
If u want scriptures I culd put them up

If obama was a true christian he would have envisaged d fact that being d president of america wuld mean him directly getin involved with this satan ruled world....and that his decisions and actions can never ryhme with Jesus's.....
If obama was a christian he wuld have long read from daniel and revelations what's in store for d nations of d earth and .its .kings...DESTRUCTION!!!.......


Jesus knows satan rules d world @ d moment and that soon it'll be his turn.....

And that will happen when Jesus would destroy satan or rather satan cast out from d earth and imprisoned.........

Obama is not even a christian......

Ur even more of a christian than obama....lol

A chrÍstian dat doesn't preach d gospel isn't a christian........

I wanna see obama 1 day pick up a mic and tell ameriÇans that an end to d world is imminent and that Gods kingdom is what is mans only solution,not us govt,UN,and d rest organizations that hide behind the peace $ love facade,meanwhile they are so satanic.

D day obama tells americans that,then I'll know he might be a christian........

You're a fool. Never one day have I seen christians question whether Bush was a christian. This president that tortured muslims, went to commit genocide in Iraq and gave tax cuts to his rich buddies

ijawkid: I am Ñot judging obama,but he just isn't a christian.....

Like I said our actions show wether we are not....not just talking,but acting d way Jesus would act.....

Does obama believe an end to all human governments is imminent?? Daniel 2:44

Does obama preach about Yahwehs kingdom

Does he pray for that kingdom to come

Does his action show he follows Jesus

Obama just gave his opinion on gay marraige......

Would Jesus take that stand.....

Logic boy obama is 100percent not a christian....

A christian anticipates Gods kingdom not human rulership

And how do you know that he doesnt anticipate going to heaven? Should he live like a monk because of death/heaven? Ode

There are christians who support gay marriage also. Jesus did not oppose gay marriage. If everyone is supposed to follow old testament then Ijawkid, please be the first to cast stones at gays.

LagosShia: check the verses i presented earlier,you will see that enslaving another human is a crime in islam because servitude is only for Allah (swt).but when it comes to prisoners of war,the story is different.Muslims should not use slavery as a trade:

"It is not meet for a mortal that Allah should give him the Book and the wisdom and 'Nabuwah' (prophethood), then he should say to men: Be my slaves rather than Allah's; but rather (he would say): Be sustenance providers (Rabaniyoon) because of your teaching the Book and your studying (it yourselves)."[3:79]

"…ye…may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands posses….wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dower…"[4:25]

"…do ‘Ihsan’ (goodness) to parents …and (to) what your right hands posses."[4:36]

"Alms are for…those in Bondage, "[9:60]

"…But it is righteousness…to spend of your substance out of love for Him…for the ransom of slaves, "[2:177]

"And whoever kills a believer by mistake, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave, "[4:92]

"He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation…give a slave his freedom, "[5:89]

"And if any of your slaves ask you for a deed in writing (for emancipation) give them such a deed; If ye knew any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you…"[24:33]

"So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates…"[47:4]

You have started again.[b]So you are now claiming that slavery is a crime in Islam? [/b]Majority of muslims disagree with you on that. You fail but I will still address the quotes you put up!


Some of your quotes are not full and you have remixed them out of context eg

-9;60, which you remixed to say that alms are for slaves (slaves are now beggars? even your remix fails)

Zakah expenditures are only for the poor and for the needy and for those employed to collect [zakah] and for bringing hearts together [for Islam] and for freeing captives [or slaves] and for those in debt and for the cause of Allah and for the [stranded] traveler - an obligation [imposed] by Allah . And Allah is Knowing and Wise.

-24;33, which you cut, so that we wouldnt see the part where your female slaves can be compelled (if someone else compels them) into prostitution with Allah's forgiveness. Also, the deed for emancipation comes at a price to the slave. Why should one pay for his or her freedom? Furthermore, the slave has to be a good slave before the deed can be accepted by the slave master

USUFALI: Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),
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As for the rest of your quotes, I will confess that yes, the Quran says you be good to your slave and also says that it is good to free slaves. However, 3 problems exist.

-Being good to ur slave is meaningless when you understand the relativity of "good" itself and the conditions of slaves in those times. Slaves did hard labour and slaves were beaten.

-Freeing slaves is a good thing but but there is no punishment for not freeing slaves. Furthermore, there was no mention of slavery being haraam

-The fate of female non-muslim slaves would have been worse. No marriage and no trust on them in the society. Slaves for life with no marriage. Cursed never to get married