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Martian: You mildly amusing.

bukatyne: @logicboy: i ve never quoted/misquoted any koranic text b4 because i ve never read one! anything a muslim tells me is in d koran, i believe until proven otherwise! besides, d muslims always claim that d koran should be taken as it is read! i don't talk wit authority about things i really don't understand, i rather ask questions or at best give my own opinions! take care!

Uyi Iredia: Rambling ko, Rambo ni.

Uyi Iredia: I know there is no definition of God in atheism. But lemme ask you a question here. Is Christianity a philosophy ?

Uyi Iredia: Atheists assert a positive. They say God doesn't exist. They are materialists. A question here for you. I'm fond of asking atheists this question. I think of a pink unicorn, does the pink unicorn exist ?

Uyi Iredia: An uninformed statement. Many atheist forums & organizations e.g Secular Student Alliance have a set of beliefs & practices e.g studying evolution & celebrating Darwin.

Uyi Iredia: You do it out of faith because atheists equally do not know what lies outside of life after death. Slavery was a necessary process in mankind's journey towards technological development. BTW, slavery has only changed form. If you work for someone you are a slave to that person de gustibus

Uyi Iredia: I doubt this. I think a good surfing of the net will reveal this. An atheist on Richard Dawkins site once suggeested burial rites for atheists which some were willing to implement.

Uyi Iredia: • Whilst it would be abominable to corner Atheism into the class of religions given a rigid application of the term religion. I understand that elements of common beliefs, practices and bits that collectively characterise atheists give it the semblance of a religion one which will evolve given time. I believe that the trend of this evolution will be coursed by scientific developments.

•When you describe Atheism as a lack of belief in God/god(s), routinely using the pretext that the definition 'belief in no God' applies to polytheists, you err and necessarily deceive a simpleton. A lack of belief underlines a suspended conclusion based on little or no comprehension whatsoever on a topic. It expressly displays passivity on a given issue. These two aspects of the term 'lack of belief' do not apply to Atheism. I, personally, use the term 'non-theists' for such persons.

• My reckoning of Atheism as religion without consideration of Theism holds because I understand that Atheism has evolved into a position that affects the lifestyle of adherents. It has (generally) assumed the capacity of the appellation for a person who supposes that no God exists. Theism, on the other hand, is predicated on the notion of God which has extensive variances; it assuredly develops multiple conclusions expressed as the different religions which adorn it. Simply put, Theism is not a religion because of the variegated notions of God. The ante to this, naturally, is Atheism which has a relatively consonant notion (i.e that the concept of God is false). I hypothesise that if the notion of God were uniform across board Theism will tend to religion.

This part of my argument is one that I am wont to emphasise in any religious/irreligious debate. This is the application of faith as regards religions and Atheism. To clear the air I needs venture with the meaning of faith (as I understand it) in this context- a meaning that incidentally coincides mazaje's

Faith is a firm belief in things for which there is no proof.

For one to actively affirm that there is no God, or for that matter affects to define his/her stance as a mere 'lack of belief', one inevitably has a (falsifiable) premise on which this affirmation (or 'lack of belief') is founded. When I reckon faith with Atheism, it is my way of proposing that Atheism is a stance devoid of meaning because it has nothing to prove. This
(i.e having nothing to prove) appears to favour Atheists since it is typically agreed, amongst their lot, that Theists are the one making a claim.

bukatyne: elizabeth might have read d Bible but she never understood nor knew d God of the Bible because she never had d basic requirement: being born again! the letter kills but d Spirit gives life meaning that d Bible is not a story book! u don't just read it literally, u pray for God to open ur inner eyes n heart to understand His Word to u

Mr_Anony: Lol, which level you come dey? Dude, the more I encounter you, the more I am sure that you are a "very religious atheist" the fanatic kind. forget that your propaganda disclaimer thread. You are as evangelistic and as fanatic as those you claim to disagree with.

Uyi Iredia: Oya now !

re·li·gion   [ri-lij-uhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

Mr_Anony: Wow, I didn't know there was an atheist ranking system. LOL

Image123: can be? you're not a very serious person. define secular.

Uyi Iredia: Okay

Martian: All I said was that you don't know and no matter what you say, it still wouldn't be different from anony's position. Both are based on your biases. Maybe the big bang itself is the first "causeless cause"

If the cause exists, then it must have a cause, which also must have a cause ad infinitum............ Everyone is just going in circles instead of sayting they have no idea.

Uyi Iredia: Here's the topic. Read it then make your reply. I'll reply you on that thread.

Uyi Iredia: You think you are free. You forget that you are bound to your atheism as much as religionists are bound to their religions or should I say philosophies. On this forum I twice gave the argument that Atheism is a religion only to be rebuffed. One atheist made me divert into other topics. Google 'Atheism Is A REligion' & 'Atheism Is A Religion (Part II)'. You atheists always forget that Christianity historically arose as a philosophy amidst others. It fought and conquered other schools of thought which abounded in the late Roman Empire.

Uyi Iredia: It does. Yes. Need I remind you that this simple axiom is the bedrock of logic & science. No. For if that where the case science would also be a contradiction. Not necessarily because the cause exists in another plane. In the same plane things like love, justice & hate exist. Unfortunately for you the cause exists.

Martian: There is no contradiction in demanding a cause for all existence. If the cause exists, we dont know, yet. No need to say, "if the cause exists, it is part of the existence; if it does not exist, it cannot be a cause" because nature doesn't have to jibe with your bias.

italo: I said show me an official Church document that shows that Catholic doctrine supports slavery and one that highlight a change in this doctrine. Is that too much to ask? Are you afraid that what you posted might be different from what is obtainable in official Church documents?



You cannot just pick up something, anywhere on the internet and expect me to accept them as facts. And of course there are contrary views to what you posted on the internet too.



The Church has no definite teaching on where unbaptized babies go.

What bishop supervised that teaching? What was the nature of the supervision.

Martian: Before you call me delusional, look at what you wrote.



You definitely don't know enough to say that and the people you got the concept of the big b@ng from don't even make statements like that. So what's your explanation?

Uyi Iredia: The man made a terrible mistake. Snakes are dangerous and should be handled with the utmost care. That he didn't have an anti-venom ready -as far as I can guess- is bad. Now some inane atheists are having fun making a joke out of all this. It's sad, really sad.

logicboy: No one really knows what happened before the big bang.

Uyi Iredia: I bother myself with the Bible. Everyday, I, at the very least, meditate on a verse. I have read the Bible cover-to-cover & re-read and closely analyzed sections I didn't understand. Remember the Bible is an anthology (i.e a collection of books by different writers) so it takes time to digest it.

Mr_Anony: And to that I say: How then would you explain the existence of the universe?

Martian: You are doing the same thing anony is doing. Making stuff up. If a cause exists, you don't know.

italo: Oh please! Tell that to the marines!

I told you before, you can deceive other people on that issue, not me.

Mr_Anony: My friend logicboy, science is simply a method for reasoning and not a political movement*. I have not ignored posts, I only call for you to refute my argument properly which no one has done yet. I have broken it down in steps so it can be followed easily and hence more easily refuted.

maclatunji: ^You see how you struggle to define the concept- the only thing guys like you are good for his asking questions that are not-so-smart and arguing till the hereafter.

Uyi Iredia: Go back in time. Read philosophy texts. The people who were most occupied the ancient Egyptian mystery system (from which philosophers like Socrates & Plato got their inspiration) were blacks. Blacks are smart enough to intuitively realize that human existence is contingent on a thinking being who lies outside our plane of existence. Isn't it funny that wherever the British or Spanish explorers went they found blacks and found out that they where very spiritual.

Martian: @anony

You can move on two step3.4,5 and 10 if you want but at the end of the day, no one knows why the universe exists, or what caused it. The only thing we theorize is the big b@ng, and you wouldn't even know about that if not for physicists. They don't pretend to know what caused the big b@ng but at least they are trying by coming up with string theory, m theory and others to try to explain it. Just give it a rest already because you causeless cause is just a figment of your imagination borne out religious convictions about your god.

italo: Sorry, but its nearly impossibly to edit foolish comments 'wisely.' I might know little about your past so-called Christain life, but that "little" is very important. At least I know you lie about it and use it to deceive unsuspecting people. You once called yourself "a hardcore Catholic for 22yrs". What "hardcore Catholic", if there's anything like that wouldn't know:

1. His Parish Priest.

2. The Religious Order that runs his parish.

3. The mass he attended every Sunday (52 weeks in a year X 22 years = More than 1000 times)

Etc...

Then you talk about Judging. What do you know about the Bible telling us not to judge? The Bible is our Father's words to we his children. So you don't interprete for me. I know what my Father wants.