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ifeci: can u imagine this human beign asking me to quote "one"! u r obviously a deluded atheist! go sign up for some bible class and mayb u will get converted! Imagine! have u ever even read a bible before to ask me such?

in other words, you have nothing to back yourself up. You fail

Islam loves all religions as long as those religions accept that they are second class dhimmis and kaffirs

Tbaba, visit this thread, it follows on the unfair treatment of unbelievers
https://www.nairaland.com/952084/religious-people-really-think-that

KamiLara: @logicboy

Tantrums does not suit you. Get a grip of yourself and face up to reality

Do you really think we live in a fair world? Pfft!.

I read this earlier, and it made my stomach turn

Another woman with the same symptom had all four limbs amputated

It's not fair, right? but then what do I know in the grand scheme of things

which is why I said you just have to suck it up

Thehomer, because of things like these, too is not that much an admirer of God

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2152593/Debbie-Woolhead-survives-deadly-flesh-eating-bacteria-falling-gravel-path.html

There is no God. However, if you are still confident that there is a God, go and tell the amputee woman that it's God's plan for her to be like that and God sent you to her with all your limbs intact because God sent you.

ijawkid: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.............


U must answer today.........


Ex-idol worshipper.....

Lmao!!!!!!!!!!lololololol

To be honest, the sculptures of Jesus and Mary in catholic churches are just art. However, now that I think of it, I was actually an idol worshipper becuase catholic churches in Nigeria had people praying at Marian statues. In UK, this didnt happen in the catholic church like that.

Kai, for once a christian exposes logicboy!

KamiLara: @logicboy

Been and back

Wrong-footed!

We live in an unfair and cruel world, you just have to suck it up.

Typical cold hearted christian. I'm sure that you would say the to child slaves or people who have sufferred at the hands of christrians eg Oyedepo-slapped wich for jesus

KamiLara: @Kay 17,@JeSoul

He and his father had successfully exercised their faith with an enviable track record

However when an electric device is turned off, there is something called residual power

The residual power is not the same as the real power

because the residual power has not completely dissipated

there is the danger of a false sense of security

This is a wisdom issue, where both men were unwise.

What was right, was that the men made wrong decisions and wrong choices of FOOLISHLY not realising that the power has left.

They were unwise in not making the right decision and not realising when to draw the line

So as with Saul and Samson before them when the Spirit of the LORD/LORD had left Saul and Samson,

both men became nàked to the elements and vulnerable

Certainly the LORD God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God

pls visit my thread;

https://www.nairaland.com/952084/religious-people-really-think-that

OLAADEGBU: If you want to talk about morality start with answering the following questions conscientously.

With a tender conscience, check this list of the Ten Commandments:

Have I always loved God my Creator with all my heart, mind, soul and strength? ____YES ___NO
Have I made a god in my own image? a god to suit myself? ____YES ___NO
Have I ever used God's name in vain? ____YES ___NO
Have I kept the Sabbath holy? ____YES ___NO
Have I always honoured my parents implicitly? ____YES ___NO
Have I murdered (God considers hatred as murder)? ____YES ___NO
Have I committed adultery (including premarital sex and lust)? ____YES ___NO
Have I stolen (the value is irrelevant)? ____YES ___NO
Have I lied (including fibs and these questions)? ____YES ___NO
Have I coveted (been greedy or materialistic)? ____YES ___NO

If you have even broken one Law, then you have sinned against God and therefore will "surely die," for the "wages of sin is death."

We are all guilty of breaking the Commandments. Listen to the voice of your conscience, and let it remind you of some of the sins of the past. We are not perfect as we are commanded to be (Matthew 5:48 ), neither is our heart pure. On Judgment Day our transgressions will be the evidence of our shame. Think of it: God has seen every sin we have ever committed. We share our thought-life with Him.

We are guilty of violating His Law a multitude of times, yet if we repent, God can forgive us because Jesus stepped into the courtroom 2,000 years ago and paid the fine for us.

His death on the cross satisfied the Law we so blatantly transgressed, and at the same time demonstrated how much God loves us[i]—

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."[/i]

His shed blood on the cross can make you clean in the sight of a holy God, as though you have never sinned.

God doesn't want you to go to Hell. Please, forget your arguments, repent and put your trust in Jesus and be saved from God's wrath. Make Psalm 51 your prayer, then read your Bible

daily and always obey what you read; God will never let you down. Peace.

Oh my God! I'm a sinner! I lied to my boss and I have stolen credit card numbers God help me!!!!!!



Okay visit my thread
https://www.nairaland.com/952084/religious-people-really-think-that

ijawkid: Ask him well again if he didn't bow down to mary's image......

Ask him again.......

Bowing down to a moulded figure .....

That's 1 reason why logic boy ran!!!!!!!.....lol

Kai, why does this Ijawkid always want to open my Yansh

hisblud: Thinking... am i moral...

When you are sure that you're moral comeback and give na answer

OLAADEGBU: In all of this you are yet to show me one verse where God commanded the practise of human sacrifice for the atonement of our sins apart from the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world.

Hey since you want to talk about morality, please visit my new thread;

https://www.nairaland.com/952084/religious-people-really-think-that

hisblud: i wont want to digress the topic, over to you mr anon, thanks once again but also to all atheist that have reasoned up to this point without flaring.

Please, I need you on my new thread

KamiLara: @logicboy

Faith seemingly is mostly preposterous or absurd

but nah, never foolishness short of fake/false/deluded faith

no probs

Any questions/answers?

JeSoul: I think we need to stop confusing faith with foolishness.

Faith is mostly foolishness.

Sorry, painfull truth

hisblud: another statement i like.

Another nonsense that you have quoted. Numbers are linear;

logicboy: Where do numbers start from?

-1,000,000?
-1,000,000,000,000?
+1?

italo: My friend, you can't rant all you want. Hit me when you find evidence.

Wow, so this is the length that you would go to defending your evil catholic church after posting evidence of pope Gregory's activities, you act as if it doesnt exist. I will post again so that everyone will see the evil person you are.

Pope Gregory ix put slavery into canon law;

[b]Slavery incorporated into Canon Law
[/b]In the early thirteenth century, official support for slavery and the slave trade was incorporated into Canon Law (Corpus Iuris Canonici), by Pope Gregory IX,.[61][62] Canon law provided for four just titles for holding slaves: slaves captured in war, persons condemned to slavery for a crime; persons selling themselves into slavery, including a father selling his child; children of a mother who is a slave.
Slavery was imposed as an ecclesiastical penalty by General Councils and local Church councils and Popes, 1179-1535...
(a) The crime of assisting the Saracens 1179-1450.....
(b) The crime of selling Christian slaves to the Saracens 1425. Pope Martin V issued two constitutions. Traffic in Christian slaves was not forbidden, but only their sale to non Christian masters.
(c) The crime of brigandage in the Pyrenees mountainous districts, 1179.
(d)Unjust aggression or other crimes, 1309-1535. The penalty of capture and enslavement for Christian families or cities or states was enacted several times by Popes. Those sentenced included Venetians in 1309.[63]
Pope Gregory XI, excommunicated the Florentines and ordered them to be enslaved if captured[64] Little seems to have happened before the order was removed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_slavery#Slavery_incorporated_into_Canon_Law


More proof of slavery;
The Third Lateran Council of 1179 imposed slavery on those helping the Saracens. The legitimacy of slavery was incorporated in the official Corpus Iuris Canonici, based on the Decretum Gratiani, which became the official law of the Church since Pope Gregory IX in 1226:
24. Cruel avarice has so seized the hearts of some that though they glory in the name of Christians they provide the Saracens with arms and wood for helmets, and become their equals or even their superiors in wickedness and supply them with arms and necessaries to attack Christians. There are even some who for gain act as captains or pilots in galleys or Saracen pirate vessels. Therefore we declare that such persons should be cut off from the communion of the church and be excommunicated for their wickedness, that catholic princes and civil magistrates should confiscate their possessions, and that if they are captured they should become the slaves of their captors. We order that throughout the churches of maritime cities frequent and solemn excommunication should be pronounced against them. Let those also be under excommunication who dare to rob Romans or other Christians who sail for trade or other honourable purposes. Let those also who in the vilest avarice presume to rob shipwrecked Christians, whom by the rule of faith they are bound to help, know that they are excommunicated unless they return the stolen property.
http://churchslavery..co.uk/

italo: Purgatory is not for people with original sins. Its for people who have venial sins and unpaid temporal punishment. The Church has no definite teaching on where unbaptized babies go. If you say they do, EVIDENCE! And you haven't told me the Bishop that supervised that teaching that babies go to purgatory o.



You're clueless.

So people who can go straight to heaven with original sin? Epic fail

hisblud: em logicboy, i find the bolded amusing so i quote it. Sorry if it makes you jump off the hill em well done anon

Quoting nonsense only shows that your're full of nonsense.

1) Let's start with christians on Nairaland; they claim that their religion gives them a sense of morality. A person with good morals treat people with fairness; they are fair.

-Consindering the above statement, do you really think it is fair to have a [size=14pt]"religion"[/size] section for all religions then turn it into a christian section by making it constant that the first two threads are christian threads? The threads are the christian fellowship thread and the "have you praised him yet" thread. Remember that it clearly states on the religion section that it is for sharing faith/belief in God or other higher powers- therefore it is for all religions

-Also, hypocrisy is immoral. Why complain about the muslims bullying for their own section while you bully others on this section?



2) As for the muslims on Nairaland who claim to be moral and fair;

-Do you really think it is fair to have your own section? To get preference over other religions? Look at the world today, this isolationism has not helped muslims. Jews will stand with christains, bhuddist with christians etc while muslims stand alone. People have stopped caring about the injustice in the middle east.

-Furthermore, I have been reading past posts on the separate muslim section. Please correct me if I am wrong but I am yet to see any muslim denouncing the threats that the owner/moderator of Nairaland recieved in order to get the muslim section. Why should there be threats in the first place? Or am I wrong were there no threats?

-Also, the blatant cowardice and deceptive methods used to avoid criticism in the muslim section is disgusting. The avoidance of many critical threads on islam is one thing but to deceptively change thread titles to suit the moderator's feelings is another. The christians are at least always up for a debate/bible bashing.




Should we get an atheist section?

italo: I am not denying your past. I am affirming it, which is, that you were never a serious Catholic. Your tactic of beating around the bush won't work here.

Italo, you're a real funny guy. What have I done to warrant this no nonsense approach? You remind me of one of my uncles that used to force me to read the bible.

Ptolomeus: Hola querido amigo Logicoy.
Cómo estás?
The word religion comes from the Latin, "Religio onis."
It involves a cult and worship of the divinity.
Atheism does not fulfill this function.
Atheism is a theological position, as respectable as any other belief or agnosticism, but does not imply adoration or worship.
Definitely, atheism is a religion.
Vamo arriba la celeste!
Un fuerte abrazo!

Gracias ptolomeus!

Logic Mind, you too much!!!!!!!!

KAI, Christians, how can one atheist handle all of you?

italo: Historians have also said something different from what you are saying. Catholic doctrine is not something that is kept in secret. If it was taught by the Catholic Church, there would be at least one official Church document like the one you quoted below that would reflect it...and you can find many of these documents online. Even today, people continue to lay false accusations against the Church, how many have been sued? Which historian said it, by the way?

It's a lie. [size=18pt]The fact remains that pope Gregory IX put slavery into canon law.[/size] There is no evidence against it. It was canon law. to deny it shows that you're a liar. The truth is there and no one is denying it.

italo: We are not arguing about babies going to "heaven". You said "babies go to purgatory!" So there is no use quoting this document. Bring me the one that says "babies go to purgatory". Thank God you know how to find these documents. You have no excuse anymore.

Also, you haven't told me what bishop supervised this teaching that babies go to purgatory, and the nature of the supervision. Mr "hardcore Catholic for 22yrs"

Babies still have original sin if they are not babptized, dont they? What happens to innocent but unclean people? They go to purgatory for cleansing before heaven. End of story.


You are just desperate

italo: We both know!

You are really insane. Why are you denying my past? Is it because I am exposing the catholic church for the evil organisation it is?

Mr_Anony: every linear sequence has a starting point and the starting point does not obey the rules of the sequence hence a first cause must be uncaused. do you agree

Where do numbers start from?

-1,000,000?
-1,000,000,000,000?
+1?

Mr_Anony: We are not born atheists, at the time we are born we completely ignorant of everything (but if you want to equate atheism to ignorance, you are most welcome). No atheism doesn't make one see life more objectively (that's science) Atheism however causes a feeling of nothingness and purposelessness as it does not give answer for the reason of existence while at the same time excluding other answers no matter how plausible they sound. At least the so called "fairy tales" have been known to give people hope (atheism does not provide this) and help man aim for heights beyond his reach.

1) You havent been an atheist and how do you know that atheism causes a feeling of nothingness. Is this faith without common sense?

2) Religion makes you less objective, atheism makes you focused more on earthly life knowing that you have only one life with no spiritual after.
Example of religion making you less objective-

-You believe that your religion is the true religion and will say that people dont know about your religion and that's why they are not christians. However, you know next to nothing about Egyptian paganism or Bahaism but you believe that they are false.

-As a christian, you would not likely enter a pub that has two horns, a tail and a star out of fear of Satan. I would enter the pub with no fear.

-As a christian, you believe that the bible gives morals but it is also an immoral book that supports genocide, homophobia, sexism and bigotry against atheism

3) Everyine has hope, christian or unbeliever.

4) There is nothing a christian has done that an atheist can not do

Mr_Anony: I can prove that God exists but you won't want to even entertain the thought that he might exist so it will be lost on you.

You cant prove that God exists

italo: That's the point. A serious Catholic would. Not you, or any of your kind.

You still believe that I wasnt a serious catholic?

Mr_Anony: Dude, I like the way Uyi reasons, besides it is not in your place to dictate to me whether I should "cheerlead" for him or not.

So if I understand you, atheism is not a religion, it is not a philosophy, it is not a method of reasoning, it is simply not believing in God.
It doesn't try to explain anything and doesn't give any guidelines for living.
I will have to ask "what makes atheism relevant to man?" "Why atheism?"

Because we are born atheists and it make one see life more objectively compared to believing in fairlytales of religion.

Your god has as much proof as big foot. None


What is the need for religion, if the bible and koran can not give us moral principles and God doesnt exist?

italo: @ ijawkid, maybe we should ask your friend, logicboy, to tell us how he worshipped Mary for 22yrs, if he did...

@ logicboy, did you worship Mary for 22years, and how did you do it?

I did not worship mary. Kiss my azz

bukatyne: anytime i hear such, it makes me ache. wat made u draw back from God? Ps 34: 8 says 'taste n see that d Lord is good. o d joys of those who trust in Him.' i sincerely don't believe that someone that once loved God genuinely ll draw back but i'm not omniscient! the Bible is not sexist, i once thought so myself until i told God to open my inner heart to see His word and decided to reread my Bible again witout bias. i would like to know y u drew back from Christ. take care

The bible supports slavery and genocide




Leviticus 25:44
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.

1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"

Furthermore, in the 13th century, the Catholic church officially supported slavery in its canon law by Pope Gregory IX. Also, there were popes who held slaves themselves

Mr_Anony: Interesting topic, I see Uyi is taking care of you for now. I'll just ask you this: Is atheism a philosophy?

No, atheism is not a philosophy and stop cheerleading for Uyi

Mr_Anony: Lol, when were you joking? when you made the "I am not a fanatic" disclaimer or when you ranked atheists? Anyway forget about it it doesn't matter anyway.

The ranking of atheists was a joke.

Uyi Iredia: It does because that's how Christianity became a religion. By gathering adherents and ensuring these adherents gathered in forums where they encouraged themselves in their new way of living. Being an atheist is a new way of living you know.

So, McDonalds, Nairaland, Harry Potter, Microsoft will all become religions? You are pointless.

Uyi Iredia: It isn't. Study economics. I hope you know there were paid & unpaid slaves. Hope you also know that sons in the Roman empire were slaves to their Dads. In your example you both are slaves to your Dad. Just because it is now called working doesn't make it not slavery. In a possible scenery in the 22nd century that's precisely what it will be called given the rise of artificial intelligence (robots, internet etc).

Nonsense. I studied economics. My example is based on real life, it's good I left out some details to make you fail in your slave theory. Guess what? My dad also acts as an adviser to my brother's company. Now, how can my dad and brother be slaves to each other? Epic fail from you!

Uyi Iredia: I am pointing out that you are becoming more of a religion. Can't you see that burial rites for atheists marks you guys out. Japanese aren't atheists. I also thought so until I studied it more closely. While they are definitely secular, the Shinto religiion is hugely embedded in their lifestyle. Islam is virtually nil and Christianity has been steadily growing there since the '90's. You can confirm this.

The burial rites or whatever are not canon law or binding or even taken seiously by majority of atheists- many of whom do not know who Dawkings is. Is there a christian that doesn know Jesus?


I expected better debate from you!