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fellis: Complain to seun if you have a problem with that.

escobar07: Logic and religion sha.

ijawkid: Would d atheist countries be peaceful forever..??

Peace is relative my brother in dis crazy world..................

I believe russia is gettin prepared for some kinda war.........


I believe they r pre-dominantly. Atheists.......

fellis: How does it make a difference? Are you expecting me to tell you that it isn't fair and Muslims shouldn't have their own section? Ok. Fine. Logicboy, It is unfair. Muslims should not have their own section while others share. It is soooooo unfair.
There.
Now please show me the difference it made.
I and other people on this forum can repeat that it unfair from now till tomorrow, unless seun decides to remove it or give others their own sections, nothing will change. That's why I said it makes no difference.




Did you complain against the threat? Did you denounce it? I have been searching and havent found posts condemning it. However, I might find it.
Keep searching. I highly doubt that Seun deleted the posts. I did not condemn the threat, I was a child then and more of an observer on NL. Didn't post a lot.



Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. When claiming that Your religion is the one true religion and Muhammad is a holy prophet, you should be ready to expect criticism and doubt. People are going to put muhammed's life and the Quran to scrutiny. They are going to ask; was muhammad's life sinful, did muhammadv have many wives, did muhammad have slaves, was muhammaed telling the truth, ithe quran truthful, is the quran fair to women, etc
You are right, people will ask questions when you present unusual info to them and ask them to accept. The thing is that, people fail to ask questions in a civil manner. They do so by insulting things they know are sacred to Muslims and uttering profanities. That is why their posts are edited. You can be curious but express your curiosity in a civilized manner.

Blasphemy laws are almost dead in the West. The only ;aws that could protect religion are hate speech. If some writes an article on Jesus's avoidance of talking about slavery, he wouldnt be killed in the West or arrested because the person is writing something factual. Should someone in a sharia country ask if Muhammad had slaves and why the Koran regulates slavery instead of calling it haraam, the person would be killed or live a very long time in prison.
Really? I didn't know that. I guess they do that because they have laws that forbid such things in their countries since the countries are predominantly Muslim. If anyone wants to write material that is considered blasphemous in that a particular country, he should move to another country to do that. A secular country like France for instance does not permit wearing skull caps by jews and hijabs by Muslims in schools, if anyone wants to do these things, they have the freedom to move to another country instead of whining about it.

My problem is not with muslims in general. My problem arises when people infringe on my rights;

-u have every right to follow your religion, and Ievery right to tell you that it is false, the same way you say that christianity/paganism are false without being killed

-u have every right to spread your religion and i have every right to tell everyone about atheism. I wnder if I hae that right under sharia.


Yes, you have the right to do what the law of the land permits. If you're not happy about the laws, move your asss elsewhere.

De_Priest: hahaha! logicboy u no go kill me with laugh, This is the most interesting JOKE of the year. u are an atheist and you believe what God say's about fasting.

sino: yeah, its simple 2+2, since you attended a university, studied loads of arithmetic and logic and have the luxury of owning a laptop and an internet access...we talking of a 7th century revelation to an illiterate man which contains a mathematical accuracy which clearly indicates the fact that he cant be the author (oh i remember! the prophet was taught by Pythagoras smh).
did you even look at the calculations?

vedaxcool: n Paris, a grand mosque built in honour of the 100,000 Muslim soldiers who died fighting for France in the First World War, became a sanctuary for Jews escaping persecution less than three decades later. Si Kaddour Benghabrit was a French Algerian who was deeply loyal to France. During World War I, he was appointed honourary consul-general and served the religious needs of Muslims in the French army. After the war came to an end, he worked in the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs until 1920, when the parliament decided to acknowledge his loyalty by asking him to establish a mosque in Paris. Six years later, the Great Mosque of Paris became a reality and Benghabrit was appointed its rector.

When war broke out in Europe again, and Jewish lives were in danger, Benghabrit used the mosque as a hiding place, issuing each person with a fake certificate of Muslim identity. One North African Jew named Albert Assouline who had escaped from a German prison camp, wrote of his experience hiding in the mosque, “No fewer than 1,732 resistance fighters found refuge in its underground caverns. These included Muslim escapees but also Christians and Jews. The latter were by far the most numerous.” Accounts differ on the number of those saved, yet it remains a shining story of human solidarity.

In tracing the story down it seems that the main witness was Assouline. As described by the American Council for Judaism in a book review of Robert Satloff's Among the Righteous:

According to Assouline, he and an Algerian named Yassa Rabah escaped together from the camp and stealthily traversed the countryside across the French-German border, heading for Paris. Once in Paris they made their way to the mosque, where, evidently thanks to Rabah’s connections to the Algerian community, the two found refuge. Eventually Assouline continued his journey and joined up with Free French forces to continue the fight against the German occupation ... the most fantastic part of the story was his claim that the mosque provided sanctuary and sustenance to Jews hiding from the Vichy and German troops as well as to other fighters in the anti-Fascist resistance.

In a 1983 article for Almanach due Combattant, a French veterans’ magazine, Assouline wrote [that] the senior imam of the mosque, Si Mohammed Benzouaou took “considerable risk” by hiding Jews and providing many (including many children) with certificates of Muslim identity, with which they could avoid deportation and certain death. Assouline recalled one “hot alert” when German soldiers smelled the odor of cigarettes and, convinced that Muslims were forbidden to smoke, searched the mosque looking for hidden Jews. According to Assouline, the Jews were able to escape via sewer tunnels that connected the mosque to nearby buildings.

http://jewishrefugees..com/2011/08/paris-muslims-who-saved-jews-from-nazis.html

fellis: Seun made that childboard for muslims, why are you asking if we think it is fair? It is Seun's decision, our thinking it's fair or unfair doesn't make any difference.

fellis: yup, there was a threat, and the muslims who spoke against it did so on the thread. Did you find that thread where Seun said he was threatened and posted the email containing the threat?
That happened about four years ago, do you honestly think people will still continue making threads till today to condemn that threat? People have forgotten it man, scroll back to threads made in 2007/2008, you might find a post condemning it.

fellis: Muslims are not up for Qur'an 'bashing'. Whatever that means. It is common place on NL for non-muslims to utter many offensive insults to not just musli ms, but also prophet Muhammed (SAW) and Allah. This is something we find offensive and will never be able to accept. That is why mods are careful, and maybe change the title of threads to a more suitable one.

fellis: Ask your atheist brother seun.

brainpulse: Sometimes a man's definition of morality could be different from the other man's definition and understanding through cultural, beliefs and enviroment. So your feelings about what is moral could be subjective atimes and might not be acceptable by some few or even many, so the best thing is to understand and respect people's opinion and either leave it or live by it since you were not induced or propelled to act against your will.

Do rules make people Moral or do moral people follow the rules (even when it is against good will sometimes)?

donigspain: My brothers, you people have got lots of time in your hands for you to have had the time to debate with LOGICBOY... Rejecting 1% while holding on to 99% of that same phenomenon seems to me as HYPOCRISY.


'DO NOT BE UNEQUALLY YOKED WITH UNBELIEVERS'

lilkech: i dont really know my bible that much but i know that all you wrote above has no single bearing whatsoever on what we were debating.

lilkech: priests wear clothing called 'cassock' and i know you CANNOT wear this at all in your current mental disposition. but your jeans, polo and button up shirts (those ones you have that use cuff links) shoes, sandals etc were all gotten from our oyibo slave masters (the REAL christians according to you). I believe say Cow and sheep skin polo no hard to see for una village nah, since you speak like a staunch home bred atheist.

BTW what has the amount of atheist in the uk got to do with this ? i thought we were using 9ja as a case study ?

dasparrow: Just because you don't believe in God Almighty does not mean you have to insult Him. The last vocal nairaland resident athiest died suddenly and tragically a few years ago though he did not go as far as insulting God in this magnitude. I don't know what God has done to you to warrant your insult. Kindly refrain from insulting the Lord God Almighty. You do not want to incur the wrath of God upon your life, trust me. He is not a Nigerian and a mere mortal like you and I. Keep in mind, just because He keeps quiet while you spew alot of hate online towards Him and those who believe in Him does not mean He is stupid. If you are frustrated, take it out on your corrupt leaders, go and tell them to suck your private part which might possibly be infested with HIV/Gonorrhea/Syphillis/genital herpes and see if you will get away with it.

God Almighty Jehovah is watching you. Refrain from perverse speech. It goes to show how rotten alot of Nigerians have become. Nigerians now cuss more than americans, the founders of filthy, perverse speech.

Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand. Christ Jesus is coming soon. Give your life to Christ Jesus before it is too late. Shalom!

ogoamaka99: Oh! what a pity.When someone who need pity tend to pity someone far better-of.By this thread the poster is trying to prove that one who is not religious is better of than one who is religious. Haba! God have mercy.

timchuks87: I am yet to find a so-called Athiest, whose reasoning isn't flawed. There is this gaping 'hole', they invariably fail to see in their address of faith.

As your name implies youngman, i reckon you think you have found that profound practical knowledge that makes you immune to Faith?

Even believing in no God is a trial of 'Faith' in itself. Because you will always probe God, you are ever probing His works to discount it, keep searching you will find HIM, all i ask is probe with an even mind, logic demands it!

timchuks87: I am yet to find a so-called Athiest, whose reasoning isn't flawed. There is this gaping 'hole', they invariably fail to see in their address of faith.

As your name implies youngman, i reckon you think you have found that profound practical knowledge that makes you immune to Faith?

Even believing in no God is a trial of 'Faith' in itself. Because you will always probe God, you are ever probing His works to discount it, keep searching you will find HIM, all i ask is probe with an even mind, logic demands it!

De_Priest: @logicboy Which country do you live, I would have love us to open a church waooooo! TITHELESS AND OFFERINGLESS CHURCH.

lilkech: if d oyibo's brought 50% of their all to us in africa, we took 49% of it from them. maybe the 1% is the bible . . . but know that 'WE DON TAKE BE SAY WE DON TAKE'



yet you dress, eat, work, relax, travel like a christian (oyibo slave trade master) . why have you forgotten your atheist roots ?

and plz dnt abuse me anymore abeg . . . i take 'your life' beg u

buzugee: what are ya Gay now ? i always knew you had a lil sugar in your tank. i bet you wear pink tight jeans too, dontcha ?

ifeci: I will tell u a story because ur case is more than we think. the story goes thus;

In Campinas, Brazil a group of friends, drunk, went to pick up a friend.....
The mother accompanied her to the car and was so worried about the drunkenness of her friends and she said to the daughter holding her hand, who was already seated in the car:

"My Daughter, Go With God And May He Protect You.."
She responded: "Only If He (God) Travels In The Trunk, Cause Inside Here.....It's Already Full "

Hours later, news came by that they had been involved in a fatal accident, everyone had died,
the car could not be recognized what type of car it had been, but surprisingly, the trunk was intact.

The police said there was no way the trunk could have remained intact. To their surprise, inside the trunk was a crate of eggs, none was broken .

lilkech: i hope the above is not your reason for being an atheist

and please lets name some other things that came with the oyibo's and THEIR slavery ? . . . clothes, standard houses, roads, condoms, cars, boats, planes, phones, pc's . . . even the ENGLISH language which you are posting with here all came from them.

You make use of ALL THE GIFTS they brought here but dont regard their bible. Why dont u currently wear sack cloth and animal skin, trek to and from north to south then speak one '+%₹¤§' language as your fore fathers did ? Why did u even try to go to school to think like the oyibo's ? dont you detest them for bringing THEIR bible to your country ?

if this isn't classic hypocritical behaviour then i wonder what is

De_Priest: 1 Free those who are wrongly imprisoned.

2 Lighten the burden of those who work for you.

3 Let the oppressed go free.

4 Remove the chains that bind people.

7 Share your food with the hungry.

8 And give shelter to the homeless.

9 Give clothes to those who need them.

10 And do not hide from relatives who need your help.

11 Remove the heavy yoke of oppression.

12 Stop pointing your finger on people.

13 And stop spreading vicious rumors.

14 And help those in trouble.

Why don't our pastors preach this fasting, and this is the method of fasting God recommended.

Idango: @logicboy
You are standing on a precipice, you will crash if you don't come to God. You are directly pointing your fingers at your creator and it is dangerous for you. Very dangerous.

ifeci: well, u hv the power of choice and ability to control ur mind to believe wot u choose. my advise, use it wisely!

ifeci: well I wldn't argue wit you on this thread cos I hv deep respect for my religion, mark my Id and meet me on an unreligious thread and I will put u in ur place, I just hope that ur encounter with God wouldn't be ur painful exit from this world.

Ptolomeus: I apologize for the error in translation.
If you read my post carefully, you will understand that I argue that atheism is NOT a religion.
For a translation problem in the last sentence I write otherwise.
I hope are able to forgive the error.

Logicboy ...
Dear friend ... Saturday we play against Venezuela in the playoffs, here in Montevideo ... Hopefully win ...
I send you a big hug ... and I invite you to take one day kill me here in Montevideo hahahaha!

donigspain: 1. Even if it was later proved that the HOLY BIBLE is but a mere work of fiction; I will still REVERE it...©
2. Even if it was later discovered that JESUS CHRIST never existed; I will still acknowledge His DIVINITY...©
3. Even if it was empirically certified that CHRISTIANS are deluded, myopic and brainwashed sect; I will still gladly live my life with those 'TITLES'...©

If e dey pain u, kindly DIE off...®

»»myopinion««

tbaba1234: ^Anyone with half knowledge of Jewish history will know this....

tbaba1234: ^ It is not my words, It is the words of a Jewish professor

ifeci: I have read your posts and you say there is no God? well, may you encounter God like Saul did.

hisblud: ok