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Logic Mind: uk is not secular.
the head of the church is the head of state
bishops sit in the house of lords which is the second chamber of parliament.

You disappoint me.

The queen is only a ceremonial figure.

futhermore, the bishop thing is only tradition.

UK is very secular

Comedy is sometimes a sketchy thing. Comedy can mock certain things, including religion. After watching the clip below and realising that it was filmed in the UK which is secular but still has many christians, I wondered to myself how many mslim countries will allow comedy like this. About half the crowd were christians


I am asking Nigerian christians if comedy like this would be allowed in Nigeria because I doubt that it would be allowed, which says a lot about freedom of expression in Nigeria and UK.

Also, I want to see if any muslim can show me a video where comedy like this is allowed in any muslim country if their religion is so tolerant


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WPvSo8AYdM

joe4christ: Now i can see that you are a truth seeker and for that reason alone i'm gonna put up with you, you see God made the heaven and the earth and declared that all he made was good and perfect without no fault, then there was no sickness, death, sin or any form of evil, evil prevailed when man fell off God's grace in the garden of Eden as a result of deception from the master of deception himself [Lucifer] ever prior to that time man was in constant communion with God the creator of the universe, but after the fall man was sent off from God's presence, immidiately man came under God's curse which states that he that sineth shall die, Eden was a paradise personally designed by God for the confortability of man but he was'nt created for mortals, no, it was created for lucifer and his followers 1/3 of heavenly angels who took side with lucifer also known as satan to rebel and blaspheme God, Hell is unimaginably horrable cos it was'nt design for mortals but rather for lucifer and his angels as they await their judgement day when God will cast them all into hades forever and not a billion years, it was for eternity, lucifer knew if he was to remain silent he and his fellow would be cast into everlasting fire forever so he strategised means of hurting God and enlongating the he said he will not come back until the gospel has spread to the whole world before he would eventually come back, so that his goodnews would reach the whole world so no one will have escuse for not recieving him as their lord and personal savior.

This things i'm telling you are real, if they were'nt or i was'nt sure of them i would'nt be here sharing it with you neither would i put in my precious time discursing this issue.
So those who still choose not to believe God are doing so on their own peril, God has paid the ultimate price, all that is left is left for you to decide who to follow, Jesus of the prince of the air (Lucifer) Heaven or Hell.
The choice is yours bro, and no one can force you to do otherwise cos it's you decision.
*NOTE* Heaven & Hell is for everlasting and not for a billion years, this is no joke, i've had a glimps of both heaven & hell, it's real, it's not a place 4 human.
Please choose rightly, nough said!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WPvSo8AYdM

Martian: It's about time black people stop complaining about the past. Be proactive not reactive. Ain't nobody ever enslaved you nor are you in danger of being enslaved, so stop crying.I'm not absolving anyone from blame, I'm just saying that blaming christianity for slavery is not a very strong argument. The slave trade would have happened regardless of christianity or any other religion the enslavers came with.

The part in bold, purely hypothetical and very wrong.


Blaming christianity for slavery is great. That's what made me an atheist.

Do you know my personla life? Do you see me crying about slavery everyday? Do you see Obama or other blacks shouting about slavery everyday? Remove that foolish stereotype from your head, uncle tom. Fake a$$ negro

musKeeto: Wow... even senior atheists view logicboy as a troll.. amazing...

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Martian: Curse of ham/ mark of Cain, talking snake, talking donkey, tower of babel, jesus . All jewish mythology. What's your point?

Important people believed it and used it to enslave people

Martian: And? Blacks had black slaves before the europeans came. The africans had the supply and the europeans had the demand for labour and they traded before they turned to raids.Blame your ancestors.

That is a lie......slaves were never a commodity in many west african tribes. I am from delta and my language has no word for slave. They killed enemy tribes but never enslaved. Show me proof of slave trade in Nigeria that predates Arab or European influence.

Martian: Africans should have signed a canon law not to sell fellow africans. So cry me a river, build a bridge and get the f#ck over it already.

Yes, blame Africans. There were Jews that collaborated with the Nazis. Nobody blames Jews for holocaust. Yet, my fellow black man who hates his own black man will blame blacks. Shameful

Martian: More jewish mythology. Anyway, when african tribes fought with other tribes, they took slaves from the vanquished tribe. What makes them different from the jews?

That is a lie......slaves were never a commodity in many west african tribes. I am from delta and my language has no word for slave. They killed enemy tribes but never enslaved. Show me proof of slave trade in Nigeria that predates Arab or European influence.


You're a disgrace

Martian: What contradiction? Christianity being a tool for imperialism doesn't make it solely responsible for the slave trade like you think.

It was a tool for subjugation during imperialism and colonialism; and it's still a tool today for the prosperity preachers, and corrupt government officials. Capice?

-Curse of ham/ mark of Cain. Whites didnt enslave other whites

-Pope gregory ix put canon law not to enslave fellow christians....setting precedent

-The bible did not allow for isrealite slavery- "your slaves may come from other nations... setting precedent

-American and british churches apologised for slavery.



I'll leave you to play in your own ignorance

Logic Mind: please logicboy why fall for this christian tactics?

she has continually made assertions without a single proof and when she's called out she resorts to denial, belittling, more accusations, excuses, sarcasm, other mods etc. Everything she can find except proof even though she asserted that she kept logs.

I called her out in the front page, Deep Sight warned that she might lock the thread, you know what, she went right ahead and locked it and came here and continued more accusations.

Not once has she said what exactly i did. All she's saying are that others ban me, my posts are deleted, she doesn't have to defend herself etc. What hypocrite.

Just let it go......

At least we can learn from this experience

Martian: You need to chill with this hackneyed argument about christianity and the trans-atlantic slave trade. It's nothing but an emotional argument against religion that makes you look weak.
European mercantilism and imperialism; and African myopia and ignorance are what led to the transatlantic slave trade. Christianity was just a tool and is still a tool for subjugation.

Christianity was just a tool and is still a tool for subjugation.


Why contradict yourself?

ckkris: Logicboy
Eddy Nawgu is the correct name of the self-confessed wizard referred to earlier. There're others reported by family members to newspapers at Abuja, and different parts of Nigeria.

He should meet me. I will buy a double-barrel shotgun and we will see if he can survive bullets to the eye and heart

tbaba1234: Actually, it is not that hard if you put your mind to it:: Most muslims are not arabs anyway::

Like the Quran says

"And We [i.e. Allaah] have certainly made the Quran easy for remembrance, so is there any who will remember?" [Quran 54:17]

I believe the creator, so it is easy

I want to believe bro, but Islam robbed me of the girl I loved. I had to lie to her family that I was muslim.

Obi1kenobi: Throwing around abuse like that makes you look really immature. The AlvinPlatinga guy is certainly a very intelligent guy and writes with much better aptitude than you do. Missing out on a bit of historical accuracy doesn't make anyone less intelligent, else your perversion of historical events would make you a real simpleton. You still haven't made any real case to support your conclusion about christianity being at the root of the slave trade. If it were an academic exercise, you'd have flopped woefully. And using infantile terms like "destroy" in a debate doesn't make you appear any wiser: quite the contrary.

Pipe down a little with your conceited arrogance. Being atheist hasn't turned you to Isaac Newton or some awesome repository of knowledge. I think you need to learn to argue with a little more respect.

You were the one that came in like the new sheriff in town by throwing accusations at me and you got pwned.

1) Only a christian apologist or a troll would state that christianity was not at the root of the tranatlantic slave trade.


You mad?

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JeSoul: but that's the thing Logicboy - I'm not witholding any one thread! and what good is it if those comments are already 'deleted' on those threads?!! you won't see them! you get it now?

He was banned for consistently posting incendiary comments and derailing christian topics. Am I expected to now pull up every single one to 'justify' the ban? that's ridiculous. If posters want to trust my judgement - good. If not, that's fine too. Look around the forum, this is waaayyy more 'explanation' any mod has to give. I only do so to inspire open dialouge here in this section. But I will not let that turn into a means for silly posters to insinuate otherwise. Especially from someone who's been banned several times by other mods. Isn't that indication enough he's got a problem? What possible motive could I have for banning him without reason? Aren't there many many atheists in this section posting just as strongly against religion?

the difference is they do so without breaking the rules.

Hmmmm......Logic Mind you're on your own.

Cant argue with Jesoul's points here.


Sorry Jesoul, had to try for my guy

tbaba1234: Islam is not what the people do. What does the evidence (Quran and sunnah) say?

Never say never!!

I'm already learning Japanese which is difficult. I dont think that I can be bothered to learn Arabic which is another difficult language

JeSoul: ^lol move aside jor . Of course you're with your boy.

Shey you're paying attention - "a series of infractions" - not just one thread. You want me to spend my friday afternoon reading & posting junk? sorry oh, I respectfully decline to waste my time. Click on his profile and see his posts - the downside is a good majority of his posts are "hidden" which in itself should be a gigantic clue. I've explained more than enough already, you can take it or leave it dude.

See these mewbies coming around and 'demanding' this & that , your elders have been posting here in peace for years - take a cue from them.

No vex! I'm just curious.


Look, anyone reading this thread will be curious to see what Logic Mind did. You're giving logic mind more credibility and giving this soap opera more suspense by withholding this so called thread.

Jenwitemi: There is no missing link, logicboy. It has never been found. Quit screwing around.

Missing link is not a scientific term. It is not used in scientific circles as represents a deist theory not applicable to modern evolution. If you want to speak colloquially, the missing link you are talking about are the human transitional fossils.


Ignorance is a disease

JeSoul: ^I give up. I'm wrong, and you're right. Infact I even banned you unjustly, and all the other mods also banned you unjustly. My deepest of apologies to you on all our behalf.

Now please return to the section and post in peace. Thanks.

I have to support my guy here. Post the offending thread , please.


Let us see what got logic mind banned. Shame the devil

jmoore: It is not about what I feel but what I know. There comes a point where you know that you know and that's the point I am right now.

There are many versions of God out there is only one true God.

I can remember the word of former atheist who is now a christian who said "It is not about believing what the pastor said or what they say, Go to the source and ask God if he is real". He did that and got the answer and came to a point where he knows that he knows.
Another former atheist who was american cop on the run was in the bush and was tired of his life, he saw a big empty tin and he turned it upside down and placed a stone on top of it he asked God "if you are real, when I wake up let the stone be under the tin" In the morning he saw the tin in the exact spot he placed it and the stone was nowhere to be found,he was scared to check under the tin but later did it and found the stone under the tin and came to a point where he knows that he knows.

Simple answer is for you to ask God. If you ask him in all honesty he will show you that he is God.

I should have known that you're insane.

Obi1kenobi: 1) The person that mentioned Hitler (intelligent poster too) was only pointing out most of the bloodiest conflicts have a political edge to them rather than religion. In your case, you were trying to twist it into a case where those conflicts were somehow spurred by religious belief which was wrong.

2) I suppose in (2) above, you meant "West African slavery had a lot to do with religion"? You wen't on to quote where you addressed the point previously but there's no real substantiation of your position. Just an ambiguous statement that really didn't say much - at least, if we're viewing it academically. Colonialism didn't occur because of christianity, the spread of christianity was a result of colonialism. If you disagree, clearly show the link between slavery/colonialism and religion

You are just idiot1c or just trolling. So, someone who named hitler as an atheist is intelligent?

Also christianity was at the roots of European slave trade. Ptomoleus destroyed you on this point.

Obi1kenobi: On this thread, you were the one trying to score points when portraying Hitler as an evil of religion. I'm taking your comments solely on face value. European colonization and enslavement of Africa had purely economic and political motivations and diddly-squat to do with religion which was just a means of mental enslavement and sedation of their new subjects. The fact some Christian orders offered tacit support doesn't mean religion had any real influence.

1) Read my first comment on this topic. I never mentioned hitler. Someone mentioned that hitler was an athiest and listed atheist leaders. I corrected him and put christian genociadal leaders

2) West AFrican slavery had a lot to do with slavery. You can choose to be ignorant of this fact. I will not waste time explaining again.


Here are my previous comments;

a) First comment with no mention of hitler;

logicboy: Would a world without religion be better?




As an atheist, this question is at the back of my head everyday. I look at the 3 least religious countries (Estonia, Denmark and sweden) and I find that they are countries with strong economies, freedom and a very very very literate population, which are in contrast to the 3 most religious countries, (Egypt, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka). http://dailyatheist..co.uk/2009/02/most-and-least-religious-countries-in.html

So please, I want to hear your differing opinions on this matter.


The good thing about this topic is that it can not be derailed because it can be debated from any angle, be it an atheist v muslim or christian v atheist or religious wars v communist wars etc.


Also think about[b]
-How would the world be if everyone was christian?
-How would the world be if everyone was muslim?
-How would the world be if everyone was atheist[/b]

b) Explanation of west african slavery and religion

logicboy: You mention sound governance for one of the reason for wealth in Denmark. Denmark's secular governemnt is the reason for sound governance. Nigeria has oil, yet it is not prospering. Also, you cant have sound governance without separation of church and state.


A for religious wars;

European slavery was boosted by religion. Did they enslave fellow british and portuguese christians? No. Even pope Gregory ix put a canon for the enslavement for non christians. Also, churches have apologised for their roles in the Transatlantic slavery.


I also never said that religious wars have cause more deaths than political, economic and tribal wars. I was saying that religious wars have killen more than any atheists murderer or genocidal leader

[img]http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Religious+memes.+Saw+another+religious+post+on+latest+posts+so_3f2706_3223659.jpg[/img]

Obi1kenobi: I'm no religious believer but if I'm being honest, logicboy, a lot of your arguments are premised on flawed logic and you further aggravated this by a lot of factually incorrect postulations to support your points. You have a bit of a problem seperating deeds enacted in the name of religion and those perpetrated by religious folk for their own dark, sinister aims independent of religious belief. Trying to portray the World Wars or the evils of western colonialism as the product of religious bigotry is absurd. I'm a like minded believer but you often push your sentiments a little too far and that taints your credibility somewhat.

Wow, Mr. Self righteous,calm down.


First and foremost, I did not portray the world war 2 as a purely religious war. Soemeone made the claim that athiests have caused war and mentioned Hitler as an atheist. I mentioned that Hitler was a christian who exterminated Jews.


European enslavement of West Africa has deep roots in christianity and that's a fact. Slavery is what I focused on. Slevery is just one part of the colonialism.

So, please dont come and accuse me of nonsense

This thread is for christian memes we find funny. Please post funny religious pictures. This is religious comedy and so, here we go;


[img]http://1.bp..com/-umOZ-_2Cg6k/T6OdsHRvZOI/AAAAAAAAAD8/LOG4aCksvn4/s1600/Oblivious%2BApologist.JPG[/img]




[img]http://chzmemebase.files./2011/09/memes-duh.jpg[/img]



https://funny-pictures-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Religion.jpg



https://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/255/202/ef1.jpg

I dont listen to christian music- even when I was a christian I never did. However, this is my best christian song;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F9DxYhqmKw

I accept that this is a good standard for debating, even as an atheist.


Even still, it doesnt save you from getting questions that would shake your faith a little. Please, tbaba, review this debate you had with me;

https://www.nairaland.com/914444/abandoned-religion-god-today-im/25#10662851

You followed most of your rules but do you think you would win more converts than me if our discussion was a contest?

Image123: ^You need more exposure then.

You need more exposure to the truth about your religion but you hide and block your ears

emöfine2: erm...logicboy my intention for asking this question or any other kinds of question here is not to “debunk” anyone’s faith. Faith is largely personal and that to me is sacrosanct.
However questioning certain aspects of a particular belief-system (at least in my own regards) is to understand what inspires some believers inclination towards their faith or yes even to draw a believer’s attention to what one may perceive as an inconsistency that thus may need explaining.

I cant see your intention. Your question has been asked by many atheists and avoided by many christians/mulsims/religous peopele

jmoore: An armed robber is not the owner of the person that he is robbing. An armed robber does not own the money he is stealing.

If you choose to obey the robber, you lose your money and sometimes even after giving the money to the robber you get killed and the money taken away. If you decide not to obey, he shoots and you lose your life.
In both cases you lose.



God is your creator and therefore he deserves the worship.

You only lose your life by spending your eternity in hell when you reject Jesus Christ. If you accept and believe him your eternity in heaven is assured.

You still forgot the fact that you havent debunked the notion that there is no freewill with God

musKeeto: Lol, Davidlyar trolling NL religion section for the last 5 years.. hopefully logicboy can learn a few tricks from him..
https://www.nairaland.com/47056/mohammed-never-yawned-all-life

Davidylan has style. That thread that you linked was dead funny!

Davidylan is a troll but he is a troll with style.

2good: Evolution theory is still not based on 100% fact. Anybody can decide to disbelieve the theory just like many of use refuses to accept the creationist theory. If you ask me about origin of life, my answer will be simple. I dont know and not sure from all logical reason but on comparison, evolution makes more sense than creationist theory. However, the theory of natural selection makes perfect sense and can be used to explain changes in the behaviour of natural species based on the environment they find themselves. Try not to force the evolution theory on people because that is not what Atheism/ Agnosticism is about. It is about refusing to believe in god and treating things with an open mind, accepting only things that are logical. Forcing people to believe the evolution theory is thesame as Christians and Muslim forcing you to believe creationist theory.
To explain what science is about, the most simple example is if you put a blue litmus paper in an acid, it will turn red while a red litmus paper on coming in contact with a base, turns blue. If you try the experiment 1 million times, you will get thesame result atleast 90% of the time with the 10% allowing for some slight deviation or abnormal behaviour. So a fact is a fact and can hardly be faulted. Another example is the earth is round. It is a fact from photo evidence and cannot be faulted. Evolution theory on the other hands is not a fact.

1)Please, understand what a scientific theory is. There is the theory of gravity and theory of evolution.

2) Creationism and evolution are not alternatives. Creationism is guess work. Evolution has studies and evidence. Please do not compare the two as equal.

3) Human evolution has its evidence and there are transitional fossils.

Jenwitemi: Where is the missing link, logicboy? None of what you showed me has proven to be the link. When you have it, let us know.

Ignorance. Do you know what missing link means? please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_link#Misunderstandings

Read about human transitional fossils before you argue what you dont know

Syenite: Pardon me but I later discovered that u are not a scientist. To the bolded, just like God said let the water separate from waters and Land abi? and next thing rush rush rush (like a cartoon) u just see water flying up and down and water rushing away from land. These are scientific processes that took place and are still taking place over millions of years not as instantaneous as you think. God said let there be light and he allowed the scientific porcesses to follow its course.Besides the bible does not give graphic details of events. When the bible said in the begining God created the heavens and the Earth it did not state all the processes involved and how long ok? O gush! this thing u are argueing u know nothing of it.Common don't be blinded! I remind u again that the bible does not lie! Give your life to Christ and you will never regret u did. My brother Jesus loves you.

I never said that I was a scientist but you have exposed yourself as a fake scientist;

1) You falsely claimed that the earth was older than the sun (because the bible says the earth is older). However, I corrected you and told you that scientifically the sun is older

Syenite: I am a Geologist by profession

3."darkness was over the surface of the deep" Moses could be discribing the "deep" as the various depressions, valleys, rifts etc. Darkness here means there was no sunlight. Geologically, the Earth is older than the Sun. Which means the Earth was existing in Darkness before God said let there be light.

2) You changed your story after I caught you. You then said that the sun was there before the earth but the sun wasnt bright and the earth was waiting for the sun to get bright. That is another lie because the sun was bright during planetary formation, according to science (astrophysics and the formation of stars) or if you read about stellar evolution. http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~gab/astrophysics/astrophysics.html

Syenite: The accretion that led to the formation of the Sun Started just before 4.7bilion yrs ago and ended around 4.2 billion years ago.Is that making sense to u my bro? Being that the sun started forming almost when the earth was created and it took 0.5billion yrs ie 500million for the sun to develop completely, it shows that for several millions of years the earth was in darkness waiting for the sun to be fully developed.

3) You also claimed that the bible doesnt lie.

Syenite: I remind u again that the bible does not lie! Give your life to Christ and you will never regret u did. My brother Jesus loves you.

-is the bible lying when it is telling us that God said that isrealites should kill witches?

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

-is the bible lying when it is telling us that God said that isrealites should stone homosexuals?

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Planetary formation;

[img]http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~gab/astrophysics/starformation_mccaughrean.gif[/img]