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[quote author=stan-ogb]why dont you accept the dressing,food,attitude and mentality of your ancestors. Better accept true christainity and do away with pagan religion because it is associated with IDOL worshipping.[/quote] That's wat paganism is all about.
It's not just spirituality, it's the whole bunch- culture, language, traditions included

Been there, lived there, left there

No one worships idols, am getting tired of explaining the use of statues to u low minded people

TerraCotta: Hi Shymexx. Sorry about the long break in responses but I had an issue with the spambot. You seem like you have a sincere interest in the topic so I think you might enjoy reading a little more widely about prehistoric West Africa. Apart from the fossils found in caves around Iwo Eleru dating to about 9000 BC, there is lots of evidence of productive populations in central Nigeria by about 800 BC. Who are the historians who believe that West Africa was unoccupied and which time period are you referring to? If you're discussing prehistoric eras, then archaeologists would be the right source of information and they don't agree with the notion that West Africa was unoccupied. Roderick and Susan McIntosh are anthropologists who are reliable sources on how West Africa was populated and how important skills like metalsmithing and agriculture developed: http://anthropology.rice.edu/research.html



I completely agree, which is why I find it difficult to see any proof of a link between Egypt and Ife. Their material culture and religious beliefs appear to be fairly different, we don't have written or linguistic evidence that they're directly related--so where does the hypothesis come from? Have you read about the Hamitic Hypothesis?



Perhaps that's because Aksum was a unique culture and separate from Egypt and Nubia (Kush), much like Ife. Aksum had it's own alphabet and language in Ge'ez (not heiroglyphs), a completely distinct religion from Egypt and Kush (which also had some unique religious figures from Egypt), and a completely separate economic system (not derived from the Nile but focused on Ethiopian agriculture and trade with Saudi Arabia). Even these neighboring and related cultures like Egypt, Kush, Meroe and Aksum were obviously quite different, so again--why would we think that Ife and related Yoruba cultures must have been derived from Egypt? Aksum, despite being nearby and probably related, is a separate culture so we can't lump all of these groups together.



Whatever complexion the original Canaanites were, it's highly unlikely that they migrated to present-day Nigeria in any significant number when there is no trace of their cultural influence--no architecture, no linguistic evidence, no religious influence and so on. The achievements and originality of Ife and related cultures are belittled when we constantly look for "influences" and "ancestors" in these other great classical cultures. If you really are interested in Yoruba culture, wouldn't it be more productive to start off by learning all you can about it before reading about other groups to see if they may have had an influence? You can't learn about Egypt by reading about Punt, for instance--you have to focus on Egypt first before looking for their ancestors. I think the same approach makes sense when it comes to Ife etc.

At this point, it's clear that many of the other posters in this discussion are trolls who have nothing better to do so I'll have to withdraw. I've referenced Suzanne Preston Blier's work on Ife here many times (and I see that the references are finally being picked up) and I think it's a very good introduction to recent research. She's an art historian though; her focus is more aesthetic than an archaeologist or a historian would be.

Archaeologists like Akin Ogundiran and historians like Robin Law would also be very helpful supplements. There aren't any shortcuts to this material, unfortunately; it's dense stuff but very interesting and absolutely crucial if learning about Ife/Yoruba culture is your goal.

You really take ur time to study the Ife history.

I like this post.
Over the years I have come across all kinds of acclaimed origin of the Ife people but they all make me sick because it's based on assumptions and sentiments with little or no evidence.

I also want to resolve this issue but for some reason I believe it's impossible to get the true origin(if any) of Ife people.

More study is needed but this cannot be achieved in this Nigerian environment

I would like a pagan MOD
It makes a lot of sense
so there can be fairness and equality

Eminem is rap God simple.

He has claimed it already, and rightfully deserves it.

Haters gon hate

[quote author=stan-ogb]Guy, nairaland does not recognise Pagans...Open your own forum...But my advice(accept Jesus christ today).[/quote]Accept the ways of ur ancestors

django1: Politicians just keep wasting public funds on frivolities, even though a lot of things are left undone.

No be frivolities o
The Alaafin's blessings and support go a long way in acquiring political positions

Esu is really working in the church

debetmx: Islam is not bad for women at least where I come from, Muslims in my family respect their wives and are married to just one wife.

Yoruba Muslims don't marry away their daughters until they are about at least 24 years old.

My Muslim cousins only wear hijab to the mosque and/or Islamic programmes. Even one them was the youngest to do her asalatu in their mosque.

Yoruba Muslims don't treat their wives as second class citizens.

Christians beat their wives too.

Mujah is the Nairaland spokesman of Boko Haram/Al Qeada.

Good for u.

One thing is that Yoruba muslims aren't complete fools

Hey slave bag, who is butthurt now?

U know why we make reference to ur ancestors is because, Their spirituality was all about their way of life. If u claim ur ancestors spirituality is nothing but a fairytale it means they were worshipping a non-existing God and in plain words they were fools
It's such an insult.

Here u are defending the Arabs religion have u ever defended ur ancestors religion?

yousuf12: How do you know if I haven't already done that? You are calling me a hypocrite because of your assumptions, that is the sign of a person with low intelligence. Read my last response to Pagan 9ja.

Now get the Bleep outta here I couldn't care less about how butthurt you are. If you want to debate with Boko Haram go and debate with them you fcking coward.

We Somalis know how to deal with terrorists, stop bitcching about it on the internet and go fight for your land.

Lol this is ur butthurt not mine

It's ur ancestors that are being dejected and mocked not mine.

You know how to deal with ur terrorist? Lol terrorist caused by wat? Islam

Fight for dignity and pride
There's no one claiming my land, Yorubaland is perfectly safe at least we haven't let Islam do much damage.
But Islam must go before such befalls us.

Those who have no recognition among their ancestors and with Low consciousness will be thrown into the pit of dark fire

ifeness: That means we can get rid of foreign religions and brainwash in a Nigeria faster on NL

Sure

Islam and christianity would soon be a thing of the past in Nigerian territory

[quote author=Tharye S.] wud d bible still teach me why i shudnt giv ma life 2 Christ.?[/quote]The Bible would show u why u should not serve the Bible God

ebamma: so are u saying that humans today are still paying for the sins of adam and eve, if that's true that means that God does not forgive as christians always want us to belief.

Humans are not paying for anyone's sin.

Ur fathers sin is ur fathers sin
Ur sin is ur sin
And cannot go unpunished
K'amo yi

plaetton: "Give your life to god", Give your life to Jesus".
Yeah, In Nigeria, one hears that almost very ten minutes.
They come in all shades, from intelligent people, to the clinically insane.

The first question I always ask is "why".
Why do I need to give my life to Jesus?

"Because he died for your sins"
But why?
"Because man is born into sin"
But why?
"Because Adam sinned"
But why?
"Because he disobeyed God"
But why?
"Because the Satan made him do it".
But why?
Because Satan is God's enemy?
But why?
"Because........"

I think we all know where is headed.

There is a saying that " The taste of the pudding is in the eating".

For 2000yrs Christians (people who have given their life to Jesus) have been preaching to most of humanity to accept jesus in their lives.
Over the 2 millenia, many have taken the bait and have live and died as christians.

Many have also rejected Jesus and have gone on to live meaning productive lives.

Since it rains and shines on everyone, what distinguishes one who has accepted jesus from one who does not?.
On the surface, there is no difference.
Everyone, christian and non-christian are exposed to the same good or bad weather, to the same economic ups and downs, to the same insecurities, subject tot he same good or bad government policies .

However, on the deeper level, there is a marked difference between the person who gives his life to god/Jesus and the one who does not .

Whereas the non-God person deals with the ups and downs of his life and takes responsiblity for the outcomes, the person who his gives his life to god carries much more bigger burden.
He not only has to deal with his life issues, but he also has worry about an invisible god,who ( he has been told) demands certain things from him.
In addition to that, he also by default, has to worry about God's also invisible enemy, the devil.
So he is constantly caught between trying to please his god and also trying to evade or outsmart god's enemy.

Very soon, he becomes part of god's army, and then goes on a search and destroy mission of Satan and his agents.
So, anyone who disagrees with him on any issue is likely to be labelled an agent of Satan.

In addition to all of the above, the most burdensome ordeal that the person of faith faces is the Agony of unrealized expectations from God. The despair and doubts when god does not answer the daily prayers despite all rituals of faith, despite all the monetary sacrifices.

Religion is very unique in that it has a built-in fail-safe mechanism that does not allow for the growth of too much doubts.
For example, when prayers do not work, the devil is there to take the blame.
The faithful are simply urged to upp their game by giving more money, praying more frequently and being more forceful with the devil.

If perchance, something good happens in the life of the faithful, then it's hurray!, seize the moment and give even more to show gratitude and for continuity.

The religious mind, from what I see all around me, is a burdened mind.
Why would any one want to inherit such a burden?

This is a reason why you should not give your life to God, any God.
Be free today and remain free.

Orunmila said:
Ori laba'bo ka fi Orisha sile
Our consciousness should be honored and not a God

This is one of the most important advice in life.

ITbomb: It is not a silly question.

@OP , God created everything and saw that it was good n perfect.
Did God create blind, crippled, deaf men? No
Everything was perfect BEFORE the fall of man.

Perfectness doesn't exist in the right sense of the word.

Nothing is perfect, and Nothing ever was that is why things change.

Man was created to live forever and God explicitly stated 'the day you eat the fruit, you shall surely die' . When they ate the fruit the process of death and decay was activated in man, decay and deformities came in.
.

Man was never meant to live forever. Are u daft? in fact u are daft. Even the Jews don't say such a thing.

Same way God said, 'I place before you life and death, chose ye life that ye might life' , our ancestors choose death and voided the warranty of a perfect life.

Did the Christians who died in Philippines chose death?

You are a bastard for that bold statement.
I can see That u are a wasted life.

That is why u need to be born of the spirit (again) to enjoy the abundant life in Christ Jesus.

When Jesus himself is dead

yousuf12: @macof you are just reposting what I've already answered. At the end of the day if adhering to Islam makes me a slave then so be it. It shouldn't bother you one bit because it is my choice.
"Lakum deenakum waleya deen"
You stick to your deen and I'll stick to mine. No one wants your 'favour' or lies.

Such hypocrisy.

Did Ur Islamic fathers and Jihadist stick to their religion and leave people to theirs?

Have u ever condemned those mad men in the jihadist squads and modern terrorists for the killing they do in the name of Islam?

You come here being a disgusting hypocrite

when Islam leaves my people alone, I'll leave Islam alone.

But of course unlike Islam, Pagans won't use guns and bombs.

Mujah1deen: Islam will unify us all, there's no racism, tribalism,sexism and discrimination in Islam. Morality will reign an Islamic Nigeria will b better than what we have actually. I wish you could see the beauty of Islam and embrace it , have you ever read the Quran sister? Islam a beautiful and is the perfect fit for women

This is disturbing

Islam is bad for women and gives no freedom to the feminine gender.

Lil girls are thrown into marriage at 13

married females(at wat ever age) wearing black hijab over their whole bodies under the hot and above 40° temperature causing rashes and disgusting skin conditions.

Foolish, shy, timid and unexposed women in their families that are brought up like second class citizens in their homes.

Husbands lording of the woman without her dare say a word about wat she doesn't like out of fear.

Beating women and causing injuries on their bodies without consequence to the man

Mujah you are evil and may u suffer for this thing u posted. Imagine the wickedness of this guy.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]The funny thing brother macof, is that these people think we are preaching our religion to them, when in fact, we are preaching their own ancestral religion to them.

If we wanted , we could just mind our own business ad let them die.


They dont understand that we are really doing them a favour.[/quote] Yes, that's probably it.
They think we are Paganic evangelist preaching our religion to anybody.

Wat Eminem rapped in Rap God no other rapper can even dare to try it.

He has truly achieved the rap God status

ozoebuka1: did they forget Clark Kent of smallville? that Guy is exceptional

The guy na waste

Bart that lil kid was better

Rich4god: You know what... You go come tie our hand to provide answers for you. We are not in any competition. So if you want anwers, go to other threads that have provided the answers for time without numbers. So its either you check those threads... or you forget it.

Confusion in the church

Esu has started again

[quote author=Mujah1deen][/quote]Of course muslims would support this.

Amazo the Android.

He can move a planet by just blinking his eye

Like see power

Nolongthing1: OP This girl is possesed by the SPIRIT OF LUST she needs immediate deliverance from this spirit kindly do her a favour by giving me her phone number or facebook profile address, so i can change her life , she'll have a great testimony to the power of God after three days of non stop deliverance.

I don't trust this guy
Na bed deliverance go take place

pasqal09: All superheroes are useless without their powers

Batman has no powers, still on par with most of them that have powers.

So wat happens when All superheroes lose their powers?

Batman would be king of the world

The best rapper alive I rate Eminem higher than anyone who ever lived or is still Alive

The Monster ft Rihanna was an epic song.

Rap God sealed his status

Marshall such a crazy Man at 40

pasqal09: Isn't thor vulnerable without mjolnir?

Yh Thor is a waste without Mjolnir

But then again Mjolnir is part of him, No one else can use that hammer

[quote author=deejay_harry1][b]i dont know if this nigga should be classified as a hero or not... but this is the strongest super powers i think exists.

his name is ALEX MERCER,=the prototype..

this guy is one sick son of a biatch... i think he can basically do watever he thinks of... he has super duper strengths... more powerful than the man of steel sef, cox this guy carries buildings..and send cars and people flying off with just a clap of of his hands. he can fly, and glide, super super jump,he has the power to shape shift into anybody and also the best part, he dosnt die, once hurt, he just regenerates back to himself...

this guy is more like a zombie version of both superman, green lantern, and the hulk put together...he dosnt seem more like a human, he acts more like a zombie, cox he consumes living people, steal their thoughts, and he also consumes zombies and monsters.. INFACT GO READ UP MORE BOUT PROTOTYPE,

I DONT KNOW IF HE SHOULD BE CALLED A SUPER HERO OO, cox he is just a video game character, saving the worls.. but this guy is my SUPER HERO..

#he dosnt die, he is already dead..

... the most wanted man alive

if this guy should join the justice league eh, BYE BYE TO BAD GUYS [/b][/quote]Epic Character

He needs a comic and cartoon series