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Olu317:
Lol! So cant see? Hebrew and Aramaic use Ba, and Abba respectively for Father. While Baba is used between Arabic and Hindu, for father. It is as simple as abc.

Obviously, you are the one that need help because you are read and have no knowledge of what you engage me on!

Again...

If the word Baba/Aba can mean old woman of eastern European tradition, father in many languages, a holy man in Sanskrit, a baby in India , etc

That should tell you that the presence of such words in different languages is coincidental and not linked to cognates

Even in your post you implied that baby talk has a lot of words with "b".. I should say it is a general thing for babies to make soft sounding words with an abundance of b, d, p, a

Baba, Papa, Dada, Tata are all known words all over the world for father

In fact I'll direct you to a link that explains more https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/words-mom-dad-similar-languages/409810/

Read it, you'll learn something interesting

Olu317:
Aba is word known in Yoruba circle which we agreed to mean father,when one uses it for one's biological father, or family's head, leader. This same word “.ba" is used to prefix ile,ale(land) and it means, “Baale" etc.


“Ba", according to the screenshot below is Aramaic in origin from an English language dictionary.


Baba is also used in Yoruba land for father, grandfather, etc. Unfortunately, these two words are shown in the dictionaries as non of Yoruba's. Thus, looking at definition of English dictionaries state as :

1.A kind of sponge cake soaked in rum-flavoured syrup.

2.(esp. among people of East European ancestry) A grandmother.

3. An old woman, especially a traditional old woman from an eastern European culture.

4. A father (esp. among people of Indian ancestry)

5. A holy man, a spiritual leader among Hinduism, Islam, Sikhism)

6. A baby, child in India.

7. In baby talk, often used for a variety of words beginning with b, such as bottle or blanket.

Definition found in 4,5,& 6 are cognates with Yoruba's.

Obviously. Baba is India, Arabic, etc in origin.


Questions :

1. Are these accidental cognate loaned from foreign language ?

2.Does it mean, Yoruba don't have aboriginal name for father ?



macof, TAO12

this guy needs help.. Anywhere you see a semitic people mentioned you lose your mind and go nuts

Even your own post answers your question

If the word Baba/Aba can mean old woman of eastern European tradition, father in many languages, a holy man in Sanskrit, a baby in India , etc

That should tell you that the presence of such words in different languages is coincidental and not linked to cognates

Even in your post you implied that baby talk has a lot of words with "b".. I should say it is a general thing for babies to make soft sounding words with an abundance of b, d, p, a

Baba, Papa, Dada, Tata are all known words all over the world for father

In fact I'll direct you to a link that explains more https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/10/words-mom-dad-similar-languages/409810/

Read it, you'll learn something interesting
Does that answer your question?

OmoOlofin:
Did he really NOT KNOW what Ọlọfin and Atẹwọnrọ mean?

I'm shocked (irony!)

Macof, your grasp of the Yoruba language is astoundingly firm. I am beyond pleased.

To add my voice to this for obvious reasons:

"Olu-Afin" = "Alaafin" = "Ọlọfin" = Alaọfin = "The Principal One of the Palace".

The NorthEastern Okun-Yoruba regions use the version Alaọfin.

The Aworis of Lagos use the version Ọlọfin.


It is disgraceful how people who obviously should still be learning how to apply diacritics to Yoruba vowels seem to be self-deluded into thinking of themselves as scholars of Yoruba history and language.

Macof, I think you are expecting too much from those who can't even tell the difference between the letters "O" and "Ọ".

I challenge these self-deluding "scholars" to tell the difference between the following Yoruba words:

(1.) Okó

(2.) Ọkọ́

(3.) Oko

(4.) Ọkọ̀

(5.) Ọkọ

(6.) Ọ̀kọ̀

(7.) Òkò

(8.) Ó ko

(9.) Ó kò

(10) Ó kò ó

don't mind them. That's how they deceive unsuspecting people who might be drawn to their fantasies especially considering the idea of semitic origin would appeal to many Christians and Muslims who don't have a sound sense of history.
That's what they bank on - the gullibility of others. They are no different from fraudsters using the Yoruba integrity to play

It would be a shame if nobody served as the voice of reason, so I take out little time to educate because everyone deserves an education.
It's not about these 3 guys (plus their sidekick @Obalufon making 4) in particular, I believe they are lost and can't be found
It's about others who might be drawn to the fraud and pseudohistory they do

Its simple... What is the position of scholars today? What are the evidence for such position

What could my intentions possibly be? Why would I not want to be Hebrew or Arab if the evidence suggests so?
Why would some people not want to be native west African if the evidence suggests so?

For a people who have been colonised and converted into Abrahamic religions and traditions I think we all have an idea of what's going on here

absoluteSuccess:
It takes you to challenge the authority and powerful people yourself at the end. Never do for your enemy what he'll do to himself. You should really want me to stop so that your cover up can continue.

Ajunilo o le juni nu sibi to ba fe.
You don't know what you don't know.

Did you ever sample this simple little time tested wisdom when it's politely requested of you? But you know it. You hide it from the public glare of what you know.

It's a proof your kind could not be trusted to tell a simple but vital truth naturally and conveniently at all times. You can stoop low as far as quoting from wiki but left this wisdom out, why? Because it contradicts your claim right there at the source.

"He who is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much."

Luke 16:10.

This literally makes zero sense.

Your posts are nothing but nonsense most of the time.

Olu317:
You can lie ., I just wonder, where you got the information from me that I mentioned that, Susan Blier mentioned ‘Near East' origin of Anyone in Yoruba land. All I have mentioned about you times without number, is that you are full of rhetorics,which shows that you're not conversant with books reading.

What has been constantly posited is that , she emphatically stated that a newer group invaded the present day IleIfe and impose their own form of worship. It is that simple.

In her book she says, “

Present-day scholars of Yoruba religion such as Idowu (p. 23) and Awolalu (p. 27) see the city as developing its political and religious primacy as a result of [b] the arrival of a militarily powerful group of foreigners who were part of a distant branch of the Yoruba people. Un- fortunately the name of the leader of this group is not known, because in the accounts his identity is subsumed by that of his patron deity, Odudua.19 At the time of the arrival of this outsider and his party, Ife was occupied by an indigenous people who were under the leadership of a hunter named Ore (Oreluere).

Not surprisingly, the original inhabitants of Ife do not appear to have supported this foreigner, "Odudua," in his attempts to gain control of the city. This foreign ruler was, however, by all accounts a strong and politically effective leader. One of his most important decisions was to establish a series of marriage alliances with the local populace. Accordingly, both he and his party married indigenous women "of the land," in order to create a new generation of Ife residents who, in Idowu's words (p. 24), "... . would be at home in both worlds . . . people who were without bitterness towards either of the opposing parties." In the course of these marriages, the new ruler fathered a number of children, many of whom eventually set out to found their own dynasties in other Yoruba states."



Obviously, you and your likes failed to realised that, odudua( Dawaodu) and his group are strangers,who were migrants and need not married into the local if they are part of the cosmopolitan city.

Questions:
1a. Are you even aware how a newer ruler or dynasty deal with the aboriginal when such city is conquered ? You make me laugh!

b.Are you even aware the crown, of Yoruba are Near Prototype ?

c. Are you aware birds significantly appear in Near East culture as Yoruba's ? These questions can never be answered by you! .


Secondly ,non of you that claimed Odudua and his group are from Aboriginal group have shown where Odudua ancestors and his groups ancestors migrated from in Niger Benue Confluence. As someone through a professor's view, has posited it, “Bowel of IleIfe".

Thirdly, Egyptians and Phoenicians did invaded West Africa, in search of Slaves, Gold, Ivory, incense, and other minerals. Please read ( Cf Boshoff & Scheffer 2008:38, Clark 1970: 15,219, Lange 2004:277, 279, Le Roux 2008: 7)


Base on the above information, I am waiting patiently to know where “my ancestors" migrated from in that Niger Benue Confluence.


Lastly, you're just too ignorant and emotional over outdated information. as I have emphasized severally because the book I referred was “Religion and Art in Ile-Ife Suzanne Preston Blier", which was written in 2012. Two years after Professor Akintoye's book.

see this mumu for Gods sake
What part of this excerpt actually serves to buttress your argument?

What that simply suggest is that oduduwa and his group were not amongst the original ife group.
It says nothing about him being semitic. Rather it even says oduduwa and his group were yoruboid "part of a distant branch of yoruba"
You didn't catch that did you?

In your lack of knowledge you think calling oduduwa a foreigner in this context means he was not yoruba?
Odùduwà came from a community that was not part of the main city ..that much is clear. His "coming" was not a journey of years streaking the sahara desert for thousands of kilometres but rather a walkable distance after climbing down the hill

Mumu is looking for semitic
You are so desperate.
Suzanne Blier's work was released two years after that of Prof. Akintoye so Akintoye is outdated
Two years péré?
But you are referring to Sultan Bello of 200 years ago
Clowns

Also that excerpt from Suzanne Blier doesn't contradict any of Prof. Akintoye's submissions and conclusions
Infact they agree


Show a screenshot of where you got that phoenicians invaded West Africa.

Olu317:
1. A.
Rhetoric is what you posted up there. So as simple as Abc, ọ ni ọfi, Ọni-ọfin, O ni ọfin, Àni ofin, by extension, —Ọlọ-ọfin is older than Ala-Afin.

And the meaning is beyond ‘Palace', which you and TA012, did limit it to mean because Yoruba word is not as simple as it seems to translate without consodering the purpose it serves. This word convey deeper meaning in this regard because, a ‘Palace' is the official residence of a sovereign, archbishop, etc.This can be translated as Ule Oba, Ile Oba, Ale Oba, ( House of a king). Interestingly, the meaning of ọni-ọfin is ‘Court owner', Fort owner, and not just residence of a King.

ọfin is a fort, Court and not just palace.In the same vein,
your likes translated Oru as heaven where Oduduwa( Dawaodu) descended from.




2. macof says, Atẹwọnrọ/Atẹwọrọ - ‘Atẹ̀ (like A tẹ̀lé = to follow) , ẹwọn (chain), rọ (descend),
So it means to descend through a chain' .

Examining the above as illustrated below:

Atẹ̀ (like A tẹ̀lé = to follow) ×

ẹwọn (chain)√

rọ (descend)×


The above meaning is false not true, even if you try to sneak the meaning based on the information circulating over the purported you translation. . Contrary to you he meaning of Atẹwọnrọ/Atẹwọrọ is not the same as ‘Atẹlewọnrọ or Atẹlewọrọ' .

And your illegal translation,is false which does not mean to descend with Chain, , because in Yoruba's culture,chain or Iron is associated with ‘Ogun'.So stop using political translation to suit yourself.

Intereatingly,I have once tried to interpret this in the past, which I didn't get accurately as you have placed your view on Palace . As ófin .Èwon or sheke or shekesheke, is quite correct to mean (chains) but in this regard , it means :



Atẹ̀ : They/one that bend, ( manufacturer of );
A—tẹ̀ : ‘A' is a pronoun for both singular or plural in this regard

ẹwọn: is the same as , Sheke, Shekesheke (chain)√

rọ : create, mould

Simply mean:
They/one that are/is manufacturer(s)of Iron ore. This is encoded in Ogun, as an Iron ore manufacturer. Plainly, Yoruba language is a continuum and not static. For instance, In some places, Ooni ile is used, while some use Alaale. Does this not mean the same ? So, understanding the root word and possible English translation is important. Abeg make una no dey lie lie ooooo


Question: If you are so sure of your translation, then Did Odudua descended alone from somewhere or Ship as some of you put it in the past?

LOL. Accuse me of using mere rhetoric to end up doing exactly that which you accuse others of.

1. There's absolutely nothing wrong with your interpretation of the word Ààfin.. Where you are right I will tell you
But that is Infact the interpretation of the word "Palace" as well.
There is no Palace of a sovereign in the world that is a mere residential area. It is in the Palace that official state matters are handled

You understood every well what my post was you are just trying to save face and salvage the pieces after the wrong translations @absolutesuccess gave in his book

Interestingly, you aren't supporting him that Ọlọfin means one who twists the law

I don't know what concerns Ọ̀ru with this matter but you can bring that up later.. Should be interesting.
Also, there's no correlation between the name oduduwa and the name David/Dawud... Because I know that is what you are gunning for with this nonsense Dawaodu you wrote there

2. you've never been good at Yoruba accent marks. I remember how you confused Ibí for Ibì

We all know Atẹwọnrọ refers to Oduduwa not ogun
And my break down of the word is actually very consistent with every single translation of "Atẹwọnrọ" out there

Now let me address what you think you broke down accurately
Tẹ̀ doesn't mean to bend... Tẹ means to bend
(notice the difference?) ie. tẹrí balẹ̀ "bend the head to the ground [in homage]

Tẹ̀ can be found in tẹ̀lé, tẹ̀dó... That's not "to bend" in these words

And rọ
Simple... Like Òjò n rọ
Láti Ọ̀run ni Oodua rọ wa


You know what's shocking is that it was after I corrected absoluteSuccess that you came with your interpretation of Ateworo and Olofin. And this happens all the time with all 3 of you
Ordinary if I didn't make my input you wouldn't have given us your "accurate" interpretation.
If you are so sure of yourself, teach your brother absoluteSuccess by correcting him when he's wrong.
Because you came to defend him but even your interpretation is far from his... So who is wrong?

absoluteSuccess:
About Oduduwa from my Petit journal.

The pocket size book was published few years back, 2015 precisely.

All we have could be little, little and truthful fact is better than a whole lot of lies.

And don't judge a book by its cover.

LOL. Your command of yoruba language is poor for someone who calls me a non Yoruba and claims to be an expert Yoruba language decoder or cripted programmer or how do you call it again?

Ọlọfin is a dialectical version of Alaafin that stuck due to popularity.
In central and eastern Yoruba dialects it is Ọfin (Palace).
Not "one who twists the rules" ..

There is no Ewọ (taboo) in Atẹwọrọ
Atẹwọnrọ/Atẹwọrọ - Atẹ̀ (like A tẹ̀lé = to follow) , ẹwọn (chain), rọ (descend)
So it means to descend through a chain

You should really stop, it's disgraceful what you do

absoluteSuccess:
And the same festival, rituals and rites were taken to different places the Yoruba went from here to perpetuate the name of Oduduwa and validate this microscopic event as the dawn of Yoruba civilization?

I should be able to access the analog from any place in Yoruba where the name Oduduwa is named. But since the Yoruba audience takes Oduduwa as the beginning of Yoruba history, how is this event same as "day one" of the Yoruba race?

Don't do your abracadabra on this, just give cogent clarification. What's the difference between Oduduwa and Uthman Dan Fodio, knowing fully well that your source is an "ex-post facto"?

How was your Oduduwa perpetuated in Yoruba history before the emergence of the historical works of Samuel Johnson? Just like you asked lawani regarding lamurudu?

Oriki, shrine, deification, Ifa mentions, any pristine material that could help from other places beyond the source of your claim to make it an all encompassing.



History to you is not history but "cult object", then Yoruba history is a "cult tradition" held up by secret society and it's facts are not in the public domain.

Since the history is mystery, you ceased to be a part of the secular practice of history but a mystic. You should quote from them, why rely on academics to solve same problem when you have answers?

Why impose your mystic beliefs on secular study when the cult source of your claim is classified?



Those folks are definitely no authoritative historians but puppets of Ife if it's the one and only place they exermine to validate their claims on Oduduwa. They have it conceived and executed to please their ideal.

They achieved an end that makes the icon a foggy character that appeared from no known past to become king. The first king and for whatever end that such is fashionable.

That done, the event become so forgettable that it took millenniums to remember this forgettable event through the efforts of the abrahamics. It turned out that his only achievement is that he was a king. Our own Alexander the great.

My best regards to the elders of Ife in your post. Historians are not trained to validate sensational improvements but to find out more, not less. History did not happen in silo of time.



You don't have clue how intellectual thoughts are formed. You revved up recently to have a Coptic text that "a Yoruba man can understand", I tried to correct you how to put your idea in good historical perspective, it sounds clownish to you.

That's the proof that you don't know what you don't know. Coptic text should not be understood by the first person to come across it, it should be "deciphered". It's a crypt like "script" that you have to study for, be schooled to know.

Such manuscripts should come from the ancient, and such time refers to antiquity. Now alluding to antiquity in a historical perspective is not the same as being a proselytized convert trying to identify with the source of his faith.

Just as the abrahamics helped you uncovered your Oduduwa was a local man, it helps other resources from antiquity reveal their antique qualities that cannot be restricted to present day Yorubaland because they were not traced from there in antiquity.

A good instance in this regard is iseri, Iba etc. This is not a place at Ife. Let me stop here.



That's the evidence that you are not a Yoruba: the fact that you wipe out a thread pointing to a place that could be a cover-up to your claim to Ekiti, and put this "coping mechanism" up there.

I am born at Ado Odo, Iga Isolo precisely. It's the house next to the court of Olofin Adimula Odu'a. In the tradition of Ado, the Osolo crowns the Oba Ado. Osolo was the first king of Ota.

Nisolo ni won bimi si, Baba wa peluwon lonile....

That's the difference. Your claim to Yoruba is validated by your claim above. You are Yoruba by being more Yoruba than me and my elders.

I won't say more. The difference is clear. Omo ale eniyan nii f'owo osi juwe ile baba e" you have pointed out your family house in Yorubaland. Knowledge is too hard for you.

Next, you have the archeological validations for your claim on the Wikipedia page, thanks for that.

more painful and bitter rants and cries.

If you have any facts that refute any of the conclusions I have presented here, do state such facts
.. Third time I'm asking
Do that not coming to cry on my mentions because you are just desperate to be Hebrew

absoluteSuccess:
Oh I can't refute your claim because Oduduwa's grandfather was buried at oke ora just like the queen of Sheba was buried at oke eri? The mortal evidence speak for itself.

So, what makes this your claim that's void of oral parralels and archeological validations different from the ones you slammed as fake? Except your confidence in your prof is "validaton of history".

Guy I need to see what you saw in that write up that makes you agree with the claim. I believe you are stuck here You are the immutable evidence that your brain is made of fufu.

Bloody alien.

Festivals, Rituals and rites of ife corroborate the oral tradition from the Obadio and Isoro in general
I don't expect you to know that because you have no traditional background or contact but those who do have made their publications

Those who have knowledge and contact of Ife traditions have examined the source itself and we now know that oduduwa was indeed a local Yoruba man not a foreigner you Abrahamics so desperately want to be

If you want to challenge this, you can go to Ife yourself

Imagine a person who wants to be a foreigner so bad calling me a foreigner
Go and bring your elders, all of them in your family I am more Yoruba than them

absoluteSuccess:
Macof the student of abracadabra

I believe you actually studied 'Abracadabra" in the university, and you have the highest title in that discipline. It turned out to be "history" to the world with your moniker.

If not, one wonders what kind of watery source you cites when occasion demand for it just as you have done in providing convincing evidence on Oduduwa above.

And you, who could take anyone to a cleaner who thinks differently from you is equally susceptible to lies and cover-ups in the name of "Yoruba tradition". That leaves a lot to be desired.

After all said and done with your dressing up of plagiarism as history, you still couldn't offer a piece right where Oduduwa was being trained or led down the hill in an epoch making progression of conquest of yours either in your blabbing or citation.

So where's really the source of such blatant assumptions you are confident to employ as silencer of the original idea being suppressed?

Yet you sutured the Pro. Akande's work twice but God knows how or why it's at that very point of coming down the cliff that your source ended abruptly.

It's the kind of blindfold you are keen to create as "non creative" historian.

I've wandered what classified documents will look like in real life in your care. And your quote from the Prof. equally shows you don't critique but assume stuffs into "history" when it's what you want.

Or how do one explain an all-star epoch having all the heroes and heroin of Yoruba in one place, at the same time, and Olokun was the wife of Obatala, and all that. It appeared "Genesis Syndrome" to me, if you know what it means.

You are not really sound, just clever. How was the quarter allotted to Obatala a watershed to his title, "Oba takuntan lode iranje"? And how does Olokun of your source in harmony with the one in tradition of Ifa?

"Ifa Olokun asorodayo, eleri ipin, aya Obatala, yeye tiigbomo lojo ogun le" do we have something like this in any fixed oral record or we just go by the latest improvement on what one prof earlier thinks?

What validates your duality of individuals in Yoruba history as humans in one place and an orisa in another place other than plain lies? If anyone should teach me my history, it wouldn't be a foreigner.

Go and teach the history of the place you came from.

More rants and cries

I stated that oduduwa originates from Òkè-Ọ̀rà I gave you my sources
You can't refute them so you end up crying and blasting the thread with lamentations against me

Lmao bloody Jobless clown

Olu317:
You are just too ignorant to even chat with. But thank God,book written on Yoruba Art by Sussan Blier, is newer than Professor Akintoye. Thus, you are the one full of pseudo information.

Are you even aware Phonecians invaded West Africa in search of people and things ?

Note:
Stop lying and go back to school to acquire more knowledge.

Suzanne Blier doesn't state anything that justifies your semitic origin claim
So stop mentioning her work
I've read all her works so I know

PS. Phoenicians did not invade West Africa, a carthaginian (a North African colony of the phoenicians) Explorer called Hanno sailed across the coast of west africa and had little contact with some kingdoms and settlements in modern Senegal/Guinea

Next time give the correct information and stop trying to twist things

Also contact is not same as origin Dumbass
That the carthaginians sailed to West Africa and saw people there means West Africans have been here
So what is the basis of mentioning this?

absoluteSuccess:
It should be clear to you that your junk is very plain.

The "heaven" in the descent of Oduduwa has become a hill, and the chain means climbing down the hill to take over.

Keep dressing up plagiarism as "history". Of all that your tradition claims to offer, you are still stuck to Samuel Johnson's.

You will always allude to tradition but will never ever have a clue to it's instructive secrets.

Lmao
OK. Now run along
Everything obviously flown past your head which is not surprising, you've been incapable of comprehending anything before so I was expecting you to suddenly have sense

absoluteSuccess:
Provide the Coptic text that a Yoruba speaker trained in hieroglyphs (Coptic educated) that lived through ancient Egypt to modern times can understand you mean?

You definitely lives in an eternal afternoon.

this guy is a clown.
What a clownish set of people

You know exactly what you have to provide, you know the claims you and Olu make about Yoruba and Egyptian languages
Do the needful and put yourself to the work. Learn to make claims you can defend
And attempt to defend claims only when you can actually defend them

absoluteSuccess:
quote author=macof post=90287924]

You keep crying and ranting

Point out one thing that is wrong with my response to lx3as's post.
Point out one thing in my response that is not consistent with facts



Things you love to say to appear terrifying to the next person who may dare to quote you. I'm used to your gimmicks. Your last post above shows who is weeping inside. I've done your bid already.

Soon, you will go and bring your prof here when all your veil that you call "history" is tore up to shreds. You don't have any idea how Yoruba history work. I will teach you.



If a person asks me what I think about something he read and I gave him my response based on facts available to me how is that "destroying"?



I've said Sigidi is another word for Ere in my response to metaphysical not quite long, and so fast and furious, you jumped on it and I respectfully said both could be right, but that's not enough for you.

Next you came back in your usual carnival mood trying to disgrace yourself and I asked you to proof your point with another term for statue in Yoruba, did you come back? So what's your "fact" like that you glorify yourself so much in it?



You rant and cry that I point out your errors, well maybe stop claiming things that don't hold water when put to the test
Just as the bolded parts of this post are more ridiculous imaginary claims that have no basis in reality



You are a very big fool and olodo. I haven't told you that you failed to understand it's not homophone you aught to be particular about in my last response to tao, but because you always trail everyone with your "enemy mentality", you never know I intended transitive verbs.

Had I alluded to that, it's what you will rather attack. By attacking me for homophones, you miss the point that it's not about homophones but transitive verbs that's the idea being expounded.

You should have enlighten Tao about homophones instead of me. Transitive verbs is not yet part of your lexicon. The same way, the bolded is not yet clear to you so you can strike as usual.

So, destroying others' inputs blur your intelligence and equally revealed that you think from what you are offered. You get online and edit stuffs and make it your own. If not you are actually somewhere destroying something else.

You just needed the idea and next, you shred it. It's easy to destroy. What became of your thread about the place in Ekiti? You don't have mental strength to build but to copy and paste. You don't build but destroy.



You are yet to show us a text on coptic Egyptian that is mutually intelligibile with yoruba
Support your claims with facts and stop crying that reality is not like your imaginary world



Well, I needed to visit your world to know what the "reality" you alluded to looks like. You have conceited that the Yoruba had texts expected to be mutually intelligible with Coptic Egyptian for you to accept my claim to that effect, isn't it?

By the law of unintended consequences, you already agreed that Yoruba had texts. What characters form the text of the indeginous Yoruba phonology which may be at variance with Coptic Egyptian as you wont to prove?

You do the work that comes from the world you think from. You shouldn't make an habit of getting others to do the job and you raving in the glory of destruction.

Proof your mettle to be creative too.

lol what is this nonsense address the posts if you must quote them and stop ranting in your response just to put in a reply. Let your reply contain context and meaningful response to the post you are replying to.

I'm still waiting for the coptic text... "provide the coptic texts that a yoruba speaker can understand" is what i said ...so your reply makes no sense as usual just rants
Historians are not creative artists like you

@metaphysical

absoluteSuccess:
You are a very clever person, no doubt. You have uncanny ability to do a cover-up job that will take forever to unravelled.

You alluded to the tradition of Oduduwa descending from a hilly country where he was trained. Baba, that's great.

Since this is tradition, give us a validation of this tradition strictly from Yoruba fixed oral tradition from where this is sourced from.

I want to tell you that you are cleverly re-introducing Oduduwa of the same reputation and description of Samuel Johnson's.

So you haven't created any value but pushing value around under a different guise. The "heaven" of tradition now becomes "the hill".

Therefore, your tradition is an urban legend born out of failures to grasp the axiom of in-depth technicalities of writing a research.

Leave the heavens to be heaven or agree with the original tradition. Don't improve or improvise for it or be gun for another different theory.

Now this is where you failed

I went the other day to see a post of yours that you made for a particular place to gather information online about a place in Ekiti.

To my chagrin surprise, the post is nowhere to be found. That's a litmus test to your claim to be an historian. What historian gather facts online?

What in the name of research methodology is that? Worst off, you failed and turn the thread to something else.

Now that place is important to me. Produce that thread or get behind me. You failed on your own quest now trying to spread that virus everywhere.

You have a real problem of ranting and crying when you can't have your way. You cannot point out any of my statements that are not consistent with facts that's just it , plain and simple. Meanwhile you still haven't presented the coptic text that a Yoruba speaker can understand

i have given the source to this information many times - Ooni coronation, odun Idio etc all present a clear positioning of oke-ora in Oduduwa's life.
The historical narrative does not challenge the spritual or mythical. Oduduwa is both the orisa that came from orun to create the earth as he is the man that came from oke-ora to become King of Ife...these are both original traditions from the Obadio and Isoro in general. Every Yoruba Orisa has two sides, one human, one spiritual. people may mix both up creating a legend but relics exist that serious historians observe and interprete for the historical context within. Therefore looking at ife traditions (festivals, shrines, rites and rituals) there is always a pointer to how far the spiritual aspect of an orisa has encroached on the historical/Human and it is the historians job to present the historical as "historical" as possible otherwise there is no history.
You have said this confuses you a lot of times, which is to be expected, you do not have the mind or intention of a historian, you are just doing abrahamic evangelism based on your faith in your imagination and attachment to those your religion talks about
When you fail to stay in your lane and focus on whatever you did not finish studying at the polytechnic you find yourself out of place and confused

As the foremost historian of our time and current yoruba leader Prof. Akintoye puts it "there is a wealth of historical data in oral traditions, rituals, festivals and folklore...all this have greatly helped and encouraged the study of yoruba history in our times"

Prof. Akanmu Adebayo

lx3as:
I don't also support the motive of Wesley Muhammad of seeing everything through Arabian; believing that Oyo-yorubas, Hausas, Borgu were from Arabia. Moreover, suggesting that Oduduwa and Kisra are same, his proposition that the Bible stories took place in the Arabian rather than Philistines and Syria or Cannan was in Arabia is lacking...

I was only looking for where to quote Isola Olomola and Modupe Oduyoye, a Nigerian historian and a linguist in response to your proposition that we're always Kwa speaking family of Niger-Congo...and I found this in his book. I was expecting your response on Olomola and Oduyoye's not muhammad. Notwithstanding, nice response, Bro.

He sees pretty much most of Africa to be the Arab birthright
Only that his idea of Arab is not the Arab we understand but he talks of a Black Arabian group

This is what happens when religious sentiments are brought into academic studies

I believe I addressed the most important point by mentioning that the position that the language of the immigrants was lost to that of the aborigines would only be relevant if we were still stuck on the idea that oduduwa was not a local Yoruba man

Then there's "The linguistic evidence in fact shows extensive contact with Egyptian and Near Eastern languages. If Lucas produced his theory of an Ancient Egyptian-Yorùbá relationship without the benefit of training as a linguist, Nigerian Modupe Oduyoye is a linguist (and exegete) specializing in Yorùbá, Semitic, and Ancient Egyptian languages."
I have seen several lists of words shared between Yoruba and semitic and Egyptian languages.. Several have been posted here
Virtually all of them found to be fake words when using any Egyptian and semitic dictionary
You can read through the thread

Again, one of a historians training is to learn how to critic information

MetaPhysical:
Is Ife consistent on the origin of Oduduwa?

Yes. If you have been following my posts on oduduwa especially those made on Edo threads I have stated the historical interpretations from ife traditions severally

absoluteSuccess:
Great post there bro, but be sure its never enough to amount to anything with these folks, that should help you to understand that here, its each to his own. The truth is this folks have no history to tell us but fault whatever you like bring to the topic from wherever authority you deem fit.

You don't use fact against people that such fact does not impress, fault finding is fact finding to them. So, give your story, there will always be something to nullify it. So its really "christian trying to convert an atheist" mentality at play here on this thread, so thread carefully.

That in itself shows that politics of religion has become the filter by which everyone juxtapose their perception of Yoruba history.

The truth therefore lies in the very "politics of religion" here at play. Just put the sentiment out of it and you will see the truth and the lies pretending to be truth. At the path of the truth lies progress. Falsehood lies in wait, it never continue on its own. It feeds on others' idea.

Yoruba's hebrew heritage

Yoruba history is exactly what you have amongst the Hebrew, whose history forms the corpus of their religion, and [b] I must inform you that the Yoruba were part of the Israelites up till the period of Moses and beyond, hence we have a reference to Moses in Ifa corpus till date.

Moses was a priest, with Ephod (Ifodu as metaphysical and Olu loves to put it) and thurim. In fact, Ifa is Yoruba for "Sopher" (they will rush to google an pretend to have always know what this mean any moment from now, telling us they pluck it from their head in a split seconds).

That scribe culture gave birth to Ifa, and from similar strand, philosophy and sufi, absorbed into Islam from the Attica Hellenism that predates the Arabic enlightenment. So, Sopher, Osofa, Onifa, Adifa: these were ancient chroniclers of the annals of the people among classical orients.

Men such as the early church fathers, (like St. Augustine of Hippo, a moor who brought the whole essence of Aristotelian philosophy into Christianity) compares to a Sopher, knotting two traditions together which themselves have layers deep down the ancient Egyptian culture.

This tradition of knotting records together survive as Ifa in Yoruba. The patron saint of this order is none other than the king Solomon of the Yoruba, Orunmila (heaven rock open), Akere finu s'ogbo. Just as Palm (Ope) is the symbol of the tribe of Judah, it is the same with Orunmila. [/b]

Ope abise wara.

History is not static, a man asking you to fetch him Yoruba who could read the language of the Egyptian is a man living in an eternal afternoon. Give him exactly that if you can, he'll transform the argument till the long yarn where you feel delirious and just fizzle out.

Such a man is unaware of what obtain at the time in question and as such, neither historian nor an enthusiast but a Yahweh-stalker pretending to be intellectual. Which kwa language is the same? Did the Egyptians and her vassals converse in the same language from archaeological findings?

You don't need all the facts to decide-Mark Twain.

That's the difference between the wisdom born of rigorous mental strength such as exhibited here by original researchers, compared to fallacy promoters waiting to fault anything you could come up with. These are "sub-intellects" pretending to be intellectuals.

To destroy is easy.

You keep crying and ranting

Point out one thing that is wrong with my response to lx3as's post.
Point out one thing in my response that is not consistent with facts

If a person asks me what I think about something he read and I gave him my response based on facts available to me how is that "destroying"?

You rant and cry that I point out your errors, well maybe stop claiming things that don't hold water when put to the test
Just as the bolded parts of this post are more ridiculous imaginary claims that have no basis in reality

You are yet to show us a text on coptic Egyptian that is mutually intelligibile with yoruba
Support your claims with facts and stop crying that reality is not like your imaginary world

lx3as:
What do you have to say about this;

1. quoting from Wesley Muhammad, PhD, 'The Black Arabian Origins of the Yoruba' Page 25-26:

we have pointed out that ArabianEgyptian origins never applied to the whole “Yorùbá” linguistic group, just as it does not apply to the whole Edo linguistic group. There is thus no necessary conflict between linguistic data and oral tradition. The seventh century Arabian immigrants into Yorubaland via Egypt met people already in the land, and these Kwa-speaking peoples had been in the land for centuries certainly, maybe millennia.

2. As Isola Olomola nicely informs us:

parts of Ife, Ijesa, Ekiti and Ijebu, etc., were inhabited by people with some measure of sophisticated political culture before the advent of Oduduwa…Thus, the common belief that the origin of Ile-Ife and the entire Yoruba world, as well as their social and political culture, dated from Oduduwa, needs some modification. What can be traced to Oduduwa is the emergence of a new dynasty and to a new political culture.

120 Olomola makes another point of crucial importance here:

121 the considerable amount of material and non-material culture of the autochthonous inhabitants that survived the political takeover shows beyond any reasonable doubt that the immigrant aristocratic group associated with Oduduwa was numerically inferior to the host community and was culturally absorbed (emphasis added). Because the Odùdúwà group was culturally absorbed, the linguistic identity of the resulting “Yorùbá” would have been that of the indigenous Kwa-speaking groups, which is exactly what the linguistic evidence tells us. The language of the immigrants is lost. However, it left enough of an impact on the host language for us to make an educated guess about what it was. The linguistic evidence in fact shows extensive contact with Egyptian and Near Eastern languages. If Lucas produced his theory of an Ancient Egyptian-Yorùbá relationship without the benefit of training as a linguist, Nigerian Modupe Oduyoye is a linguist (and exegete) specializing in Yorùbá, Semitic, and Ancient Egyptian languages.

3. In 1968 Oduyoye published an important article, “Yoruba and Semitic Languages,” arguing a genetic relationship between these two language groups. 122 He later was able to argue specifically and explicitly that “Yoruba, is related to Hebrew.” 123 Oduyoye has a very reasonable explanation for the genetic relationship between Yorùbá and Hebrew: the linguistic evidence…suggests that the ancestors of the Hebrews and the ancestors of black Africans once lived in the same speech community…from a common shrine which I locate in the Sahara before its dessication, the ancestors of the Jews migrated east at the time of the dessicating Sahara while the ancestors of black Africans migrated south. Neither stopped until they got to a viable river-the Nile, the Jordan, the Tigris, the Euphrates to the east; the Kwara (Niger), the Binuwe (Benue), the Kongo, the Zambesi to the south.


124 119 Atanda, “Samuel Johnson,” 101. 120 Isola Olomola, “Ife Before Oduduwa,” in The Cradle of a Race (Ife From the Beginning to 1980), ed. I.A. Akinjogbin (Lagos: Sunray Publications, 1992) 51 [51-61]. 121 Olomola, “Ife Before Oduduwa,” 57-58. 122 Modupe Oduyoye, “Yoruba and Semitic Languages,” Nigeria Magazine 99 (1968): 304-308. 123 Modupe Oduyoye, “The Spirits that Rule the world: African Religions & Judaism,” in African Origins of the Major World Religions, ed. Amon Saba Saakana (London: Karnak House, 1991) 59. .....

Wesley Mohammed is neither a historian nor anthropologist nor is his area of expertise broadly related to finding the origins of West African peoples. He is rather a theologian focused on Islam.
Proper Islamic scholars don't even agree with him or any of the afro centric direction the Nation of Islam takes Islam which is telling a lot.

Many narratives are simply desperate moves to Abrahamize African people.. Yorùbá are not the only ones that suffer this attack.
So it takes a good sense of source critic to identify the historicity of the narratives

Wesley Mohammed doesn't do a bad job in the sense that he tries to make sense of his sources but evidently he is fixed on africanizing Islam that he sometimes quotes authors who maintain a non middle eastern origin for Yoruba but finds away to twist Arabs into the mix ...

First, In his book he attempts to separate the Yoruba into subgroups of different unrelated origins.. This is baseless in real fact
I would love to receive any sort of detail on why anyone would suggest that yoruba subgroups came from different parts of the world and simply met each other in what is now SW Nigeria.
Also his whole position on Arabian origin for Yoruba is based on the oduduwa mecca narrative (I will address this below) which is not based on facts
Thirdly, in his concluding remarks you clearly get a sense of his intention which is to claim that Islam is an African origin, created by Black Arabs and meant for their descendants all over Africa

See the discrepancy?


2. This point of reference to oduduwa would only be relevant if we were still stuck on the idea of a middle eastern origin for oduduwa
[just as some people claimed the Yoruba from inception were from the middle East, many also claimed oduduwa came from the middle East to meet aboriginals]

Rather, appreciation for Ife traditions point to Oduduwa being in fact a local Yoruba man born and breed on a hill community east of the main city before descending and relocating to Igbodio
So there was no case of "the language of the immigrants was lost to the language of the aborigines"
Unless you have empirical facts that indeed oduduwa was not local to this part of the world

Might shock you to be told this after years of hearing oduduwa came from mecca right? But ask yourself where that narrative originates from and what sort of relic supports this


3. There is no basis for the statement that the Semitic language speakers and Kwa language speakers were living in the site of the sahara speaking one language before its desertification

Olu317:
1. The account is not a Fulani's own but written in their Arabia script, which iz fashioned after, account, such Professor Akintoye , Ogundiran, Lucas,Talbot, Sabaru Biobaku, Akinjogbin,Obadiah Johnson & Samuel John,etc.
So, such statement is null and void.

2. Beside, are you not even amazed that such man came up with information that's not linked to his own ethnic group to praise ? As far as I am concerned, his information is without bias.

3. Furthermore, The story is not made up because, as at today, the only thing being remebered abuot Opa Iranmiyan obelisk is that, it used to be a place where kings from other vassal state fashioned after Ileife take oath of allegiance and ordained as king.

4. Bini was named by Yoruba ancestor. And these people do had a scarification pattern on their body as a Sign of Indigenous group to that society, which is alien to Yoruba people, who came in a unique form to established a culture based on ritual and a pattern of worship likened to Near East. So, written account that was written over 100 years ago stated the obvious that Yoruba came to Bini as a stranger. to establish her system of monarchy. This is the reason, I won't take revisionism of some Edos which has no place in history, especially where evidence abound.

5. Sentiment ? I don't believe in such because where there is evidence based on artifacts, religion,clothing,manufacturing, then it is worth investigating. Beside, I have mentioned it at times that my work may take time to release but you will read it and be damned on the information I have gatherd.

6. My question to you is :
Can you explain how the Yoruba language is same as Coptic Egyptian's, Bini Court language, Dahomey Court language which is the mode of communication with the speakers owner of the language ? The same TA011,provided the screenshot though I had known these long time

1. Be more coherent, stop trying to use English that you can't use in order to seem articulate.
I can barely understand what you are trying to say
So I would rather not assume on what you could have meant here

2. Amazement, fascination.. That is what draws people to pseudohistory. A historian such as myself would not take what someone obviously made up as history
I didn't say sultan Bello's made up story is ethnically biased, nobody says that in the historical community
The question was simple... Why take the story of a fulani over what the Yoruba people say about themselves?

3. Nothing connects Opa Oranmiyan with sultan Bello's story of yoruba origin.
You just talk too much and eventually talk off point

4. Yoruba also have traditional and ritual scarification patterns.. If you like argue.. Let me embarass you again

You are yet to prove that yoruba religion was brought from the near East. Claims and more claims but no substance.
You would tell us where in the near east they have 16 primary Odu-Ifa and a total of 256 Odu, where Ogun laakaye depicted as a black man with raffia leaves is worshiped in the near East, where they have masquerades like egungun, gelede etc in the near east, where there is the philosophy of Orí, where placing sacrifice on 3 way junctions exists in the near east
Where our Irunmole and Orisa and the stories around them exist in the near east


5. Since you have no evidence to present here why then do you expect sensible people to take you seriously? Wait till you finish your book and present all the evidence you failed to present here in the book.
You make claims that you are not willing to prove and get angry when called out lmao
What exactly is that. You should

6. Yoruba Language is not the same as Egyptian coptic language. If a Yoruba man were spoken to or give a text in coptic language, he would not understand a thing
Yoruba was used extensively in many parts of the lower Guinea as a lingua franca.
How does Yoruba being spoken in the Bini and Dahomean courts relate to Yoruba being of semitic origin?
Stop going off topic

Olu317:
Go sit down and learn more about Yoruba history that funding keep coming into so that her mystery can be resolved on their identity , Art in the mediaeval era.


So see, I have no time for such chat as yours anymore because you don't just study beyond me to read information at all times because I am your nemesis over my information that is glaring. Base on as it stands, there are newer information that will shock you soon from different writer on Yoruba's history. So get acquainted with research reality that's beyond NL.

Lmao this guy is a clown

valirex:
Nice one bro but Oba doesn't have any reason to play politics. Oduduwa is Ekaladeran. And yes Ekaladeran was at Ughoton but he later left

Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true

You would need to match your claim with historically verifiable sources

So far, oduduwa is known to have come from Òkè-Ọ̀rà where he was Osinora and settled first at Igbodio
There's no Ughoton or Igodomigodo in the piece of evidence

Olu317:
Thanks for your input. It is pertinent for the people who tried so much to affix the Yoruba identity to Niger Benue as the place of her origin, when infact, the reversal is the case of migration from Ileife that has always taken place to even Niger Benue confluence. So.pathetic

Secondly, in my part of Yoruba which is one of the numerous places where my ancestors migrated to, call father as Aba,Abba,Uba. These three are interchangeable. While mother is “ Iye "and not Iya as used often in generally Keoine language.

Thirdly, the Iwo Eleru people are not traceable in Yoruba bloodline. Perhaps, the earlier ancestors of Yoruba either assimilated or exterminated or chase many of these people out of her
contact with them. These people did have pygmy link dna link,whom the Yoruba called ‘Iwin'.

Fourthly, no matter how much you showcase glaring truh via ideograms knowledge on this platform, you have not done enough because one is tagged as non historian.These antagonists, will say Yoruba emerged from Niger Benue people yet no link with any group that have suvh information. And they do tbese damnation because they can't interpret the artifacts that are simply ideograms of Yorubas at the expense of lacking the interpenetrating such artifacts


Do these people know how cowries from Noeth Africa emerged in Yoruba land as a legal tender ?

Do these people know Yorubas arrow is not of West Africa's origin ?

Do these people know agada(scimitar) did not originate in Africa ?

Do these people even know that Yoruba language was once spoken jn Egypt as Coptic Egyptians language ?


Bro, let the antagonists continue but for awhile because once my book is ready in the future, they will have the opportunity to know meaning of some artifacts tbat have eluded their knowledge.

Conclusions on historical research is never set in stone. For many years your "Yoruba origin from the middle east" was the conclusion of many historians until new appreciation for the pre - Islam, pre- missionary traditions placed doubt in that
The earliest written works by Muslims and missionaries on yoruba origin always ignored the traditional records of the people they were talking about and fed into their need to
1. Abrahamize the people with a new written history
2. Always return to Abrahamic traditions for everything

Today historians do not have those needs and coupled with evidence from chiefly linguistics, but also cultural anthropology and genetics.. Historians now conclude that yoruba are native to this area called Nigeria today

you and your church that sent you can't take us back to a level of knowledge we have surpassed.
Do you possess superior argument armed with evidence and conclusions from empirical research that the earliest historiographers were right eventhough they had no traditional records or linguistics or genetics on their side?

Olu317:
According to Jeffrey, he says, “Thus the distinguished anthropologist , Lord Raglan,(1935:15) has laid it down that:.....no invention, discovery, custom,belief,or even stoey is known for certain to have originated in two separate culture." Braima Alias Abraham: A study in diffusion by M.D.W Jeffreys.
From the above information,it is obvious, nothing as cultural connection be it mode of worship or linguistic connection between Yoruba and Semitic group with being of same stock at early stage because. The written history of the Yorubas of Nigeria occurs in the Infakul,Maisuri of Sultan Muhammad Bello, in whch Arnett's (1930:16), translation runs: “ The people of Yoruba are descended from the Kanana and Kindred of Nimrod.

In conclusion of Lucas on the above information, he says, In spite of the fanciful character of Sultan Bello's view on the whole, his statement that the Yorubas "originated from the remnants of the children of Canaan who were of the tribe of Nimrod" demands further consideration.

Furthermore, Dr. Farrow too has collected interesting facts
the traditions, myths, customs, idioms and sacrifices of the Yorubas ,which Show distinct traces. Commenting on these facts he says, "Whilst they do not necessarily imply any trace of Semitic origin, they would seem to indicate that the Semitic Hebrews and the Negritic Yorubas belong to branches which at some early stage were united to a common stem."

Sir. A.C. Burns says, "it is probable that the Yorubas were not originally of negro blood."



While,the quest of Yoruba identity has been in obscurity, the Infakul of Sultan Muhammad Bello of Sokoto,has the account, which mentioned the root words for Yoruba as: Y R B (y r b).

Interestingly, in Semitic language:

“y " is yud, which is represented as yi, i, ee. The last two are used interchangeably with “y" if it is not the starting letter in a word.

R, is Reish ( head) which is represented with riii,ree sound~when pronounced

B is Bet, which is represented by b,bh

Thus, considering these root in the infakul , known as “y r b" are semitic and close reconstruction of the meaning, will give us what the probable pronunciation sound like and its meaning, which I had emphasised on previously. So, the forming of the root word to make more sence will in these following while using the Ancient Hebrew's Semitic Alphabet:

Yerab-yarob,eerab- irab-ærab-arab-yarab- Yoruba descendants. The above reconstruction ks based on Semitic inscription of Classic Hebrew. The most amazing is that the word being reconstructed is referino to a people, whose foundation is based on Shepherd & Priest called Araba who is orumiela, ; ba' araba aba(the first self creating powerful being to exist)

The information above is drawn from Clasic Hebrew alphabet, to interpret the meaning, the reconstruction o what the “Y R B" is . And these semitic root in Classic Hebrew begun with bilateral root and grew to trilateral root. So
Yareb,
Yareb,
Yarob,
Yarub,
irab,
æreb,
areb,
areb
Yarab,
Yoruba ; as a name is basically a product of Semitic root , R B(r b) ,which is Rab(Rabi). Interestingly, Ela is the Araba in Yoruba Ifaodu corpus which is the one whom we worship in awesome reverence( lit. to worship while one is crawling toward positioning). This can only point to the direction of what the account of Sultan Muhammad Bello,claimed that Yoruba are Canaan; Hebrew group, in the written script that was translated from Arabic script by different people.

TAO11 has asked you
Why should the account of a fulani over the origin of the Yoruba people be held over the account of the Yoruba themselves?

Why do we call a story that was made to place Yoruba in the middle East only after Yoruba had come in contact with Muslims a Yoruba account? How is it Yoruba account when the Yoruba did not say this of themselves? But had to learn it from foreign Muslims who wanted to convert them?

While we are at accepting the account of others, why do we not accept the Bini account that says oduduwa is their Prince



If this were not sentimental attachments to the middle east due to religious indoctrination why would a Yoruba dump the traditional account for a fulani account of his origin that says he's from the middle east

Olu317:
Teacher, you try! Isn't it fair to be careful when you try to throw a mockery punchline ?
“These clowns " Indeed. I wonder if you do read your post before public consumption. So an individual has become a “plural" .

What do you even know about “knot" ? Your ignorance is beyond remedy.

LOL. I didn't know you were an expert on knots
Yoruba knot is Solomon's knot

What wouldn't you clowns say out of desperation, your church must increase the pay they give you for this Abrahamization agenda, e no easy

Olu317:
I wonder ooo bro, with assumption, when people pick up unverified information to assert that ancient Yoruba land, in a “Ghost Land" around Niger Benue confluence,without evidence.I just wonder.


Cheers

Experts from the fields of Linguistics, Genetics and Anthropology all provide empirical evidence that prompt the conclusion of historians that yoruba indeed originated from the Niger-benue Confluence as did many of the ethnicities in the Lower Guinea region

So it is not assumption without evidence. Several threads have posted reports of expert research on this
Maybe when I have time I will post some more reports

You can say whatever you like from now till you leave this world, the evidence is there. It only takes studying it

Olu317:
The Yoruba knot which is part of the Naira( Nigeria's currency is also found in Paleo Christian site . This knot is known as Solomon knot.
So, those who posited that Yoruba ancestors existed in Benue Confluence, should explain how the knot found in Yoruba culture, Near East, Rome etc are alike ? I am waiting!Below is as a screenshot of it.

Lmao. He said Yoruba knot known as Solomon's knot

These clowns

absoluteSuccess:
Check this out for answers

Taniyen: [Yoruba Eko]

Tanun: [Yoruba Oyo]

Lesiyen wa: [Awori/Ijebu]

Just some examples from the dialects I;m familiar with


Akiyin o [Yoruba]
Okun o [Ekiti]

Just in dialect of the same language, variants has been found.

I wonder what we will find in Niger Congo where everyone think out there words and speak it the same way to proof all derive from a single source .

I know your question here is rhetoric and to mock
I wouldn't bother myself with the stress when I can easily ask you this...

I wonder what we will find in placing Yoruba (with all its dialects) in the semitic language family

Bare in mind, you have been trying.. Every one has been proven flawed.. We await a real cognate

absoluteSuccess:
I've answered you Mr. macof, I wont quote you again so as not to be running the gauntless pointlessly all over again. The last sentence is an assignment for you,

and also, what's the third word if you want to avoid saying ere?

First of all, I've demonstrated everything that needs to be done here.. Its left for you to learn or continue to rely on your proven to be unreliable imagination

Secondly, you have an assignment... Provide evidence that yoruba have Hebrew heritage

absoluteSuccess:
Make your examples in Yoruba: just as I've done. Don't assume expert by proxy using example outside the language of discourse. Its not English class. And claimimg expertise on information on public domain tell us how far your lies can go.

So you have any proof you never check up "homophone" on google when you can transform flimsy error in a post to an ocean of rant? tell me something, that word homophone should be treasure if it so live in your consciousness.



You assume authority when you are clueless about the topic, bro.



We have ere, we have sigidi, we have something else connecting ere to sigidi, its an assignment for you. Since you go back there, tell us the third word for the same object in Yoruba. Whats the word, prove that you are Yoruba.



I know you read that, but you are mistaken. Except I have what I referred there as ase (insight) I can't interpret beyond what I know. This is not an error, its a test of honesty.

I can't interpret a word even if its Yoruba once its peculiar to a dialect. I can only do the same when its constructed in mainstream Yoruba.



Your options are always trailing mine. You should have invested your understanding on the same set of examples when you mean to say they were funny. I've enlightened you already. Your take is second thought, source from wherever.

Whats funny to you is goldmine to me and I've put the words in good light. You can act smart ranting upandan

The point is homophones rarely carry etymological relation

I used both English and Yoruba to demonstrate that

Instead of making this pitiable reply just to reply something.. You should have digested the post and learned a thing or two about homophones in both English and Yoruba and moved alonged
Since you apparently thought words sounding alike mean they must mean the same thing. It was important I demonstrated to you that you were wrong.
Hopefully now you know

You are too intellectually lazy to be an efficient linguist or "language Programmer" or how did you put it again? If being shown your error forces you to express microagression

absoluteSuccess:
Bro, no two culture forms their words based on exactly the same lexis and structure. Often, to find a word that's a perfect match for another from all antiquity may require settling for the closest possible options.

What I'm referring to is "ì/lú", since that's what we are talking about at that point and not any other, just to limit confusion that never was but must be discovered for ulterior motives.

Oh. But this doesn't apply to Yoruba and Hebrew because according to you, there's a perfect match to Hebrew words found in Yorùbá