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2prexios:
There you go again, scammer.

Oduduwa atewonro was in my book
Oduduwa ateworo is equally in my book.
I paraphrased both options in Yoruba.
I equally discussed "ayinike Ati Ayinipada".
I made a case for the right option.

Gbam.

You repeated what I have already shared in my book but argued for the popular version, Oduduwa atewonro. You are an "intelligence deficit" monomaniac fighting for spotlight through others' labour.

Is your argument new to me or something? You are a repeater. I have forced a confession from you through the book because you earlier pretend that tradition doesn't exist.

So it's this "elewon" tradition that is right now not onisoro, obadio, ascention rites, rituals and all that again as you originally claim. Oh, it's duality of identity? How about the chain?


Your camaraderies never validate you have a new argument. You only argued for the popular version, circulated by Samuel Johnson. What's your excitement in intellectual plagiarism?

You are like a hen that layed an egg and coocoo around as though it has laid an asteroid Well that's not mine but Mark Twain's.

I have given you a receipt for a book I bought many years ago, so as to silence your lunacy. It should mean nothing to you in the perpetual state of your mind. But it is an exhibit that you have no clue what you says.

Go for a check

Now, you arguing for Oduduwa atewonro suddenly made me go out to buy books and I suddenly know the right book to buy and within the timeline, it's Robin Law, your kind of book?

Again you are an embarrassment to yourself, not to me. You and your hordes are failures at what you love most. You acknowledge the scholar but still question his work before reading it.

I am not a performance monkey of yours, you should have read Robin Law. So you don't know what he said in light of the foregoing? WOW! so I should fetch it for you to damage as usual?

And you are a trained historian, well read and experience in Yoruba history? Don't worry keep waiting for me as your pawn. Your lies are travelling behind you.



You don't know what you don't know. Whatever you read, if any, you can never understood any beyond your IQ. I won't help you out, go back and read Robin Law.

More rants and cries

Tell us what Robin law said that is getting you excited thinking you have found something to nail me
He has numerous works, I don't have his entire scholarship memorized in my head enough to know what exactly you might be referring to

Also, let's be real this whole reference to Robin law is just your excitement to be reading a historian's work for the first time after you just recently bought one of his books.
Not that there's anything that supports Semitic connection

2prexios:
I'm going through change eh.

so you stayed up all night going through all my old posts and saw a post from over 6 years ago and think it's laughable.

This guy just desperate sha you even had to mention this post on two threads just to get my attention thinking you've found something to nail my personality

Here was your response to the post 6 years ago

ladionline:
This is beautiful, as for me, Ijaw are of the old Yoruba league.

Rather than looking for ways to insult me and attack my personality just do the needful - provide evidence for your claims and stop running around

See somebody's home city... Abeokuta people putting in work
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Lol
They have come to recycle this debunked story again

2prexios:
Boy this has become your mantra. I am not your performance monkey. It's the circus's life you live, it's your destiny. You are the destroyer here, who is more psychopathic than you?



Scammer, I have attached the screenshot of a book I bought back then in 2007, you should check out the source of the word ejilaosebora in it, meaning "the twelve that emanated from Ebora".

Although it's syncretic, but the cluster ejilaosebora is historical. Your historians have found the facts of Yoruba history eventually? I am not a historian, I am a pundit of Yoruba tradition.

My beat is beyond "curricula history". Stick that to your head like you did Ebora is Debora. Your historians are not the custodians of Yoruba history or tradition. So don't sell me the dummy.



Scammer, you are on the path of scenting us off your trail again. What do you do for living? I believe you are a very great internet fraudster. You have uncanny ability to twist public opinion hither thither as you like with chutzpah.



Guy, life is possibly a fantasy in your clever world. You are here alluding to history, but you don't know what you don't know. You just unwittingly exposed yourself as a fool and myopic critic subjective in his source appraisal.



If you can ask this question, it's the law of unintended consequence acting on you. Your lies will continually compromise your cover. You are no historian but a mere atheist.

Since this was the post you made earlier but now cleverly panel beating again to fault me after you got the idea of its possible implosive implication. Your maneuvering proofs that you are a lunatic.

You are such a sick narcissist. You can never say yes to anyone as you desperately seek their disgrace, you still finds way to make your fault theirs. But hide as you can, your folly will keep trailing you.

You don't know what you don't know. Whatever you read, if any, you can never understood any beyond your IQ. I won't help you out, go back and read Robin Law.

Rants and cries from a pained frustrated fraud who knows he is being embarrassed
I'm still waiting for you to debunk any information I have posted here.

And i'm still waiting for how Robin Law's works confirm any single semitic nonsense you post here. Why mention Robin Law?
You are really ecstatic to have finally bought a history book we won't hear the end of it

Amujale:
Linguistic Similarities:

According to the semiotician Ferdinand de Sausurre in his 1972 book called General History of Africa, the surest way to prove a cultural contact between peoples is to adduce linguistic evidence.

In what is commonly known as the Saussure theory.

Identical/Similarities between Yoruba and Ancient Egypt/Kush.

ℹ Mi (to breath) - Mi (to breathe)

ℹBi (to become) - Bi (to become)

ℹOmi (Water) - Omi (water)

ℹOdo (river) - Do (river)

ℹTa (spread out) - Ta (spread out)

ℹTan (complete) - Tan (complete)

ℹOkan (one) - Kan (one)

ℹKumo (club) - Kum (club)

ℹEre (python) - Ere(python)

ℹFa (pull) - Fa (carry)

ℹOruwo (head) - Horuw (head)

ℹWu (rise) - Wu (rise)


There are over 100 identical words that have the exact same meaning in Yoruba as is present in the Ancient Egyptian/Kush dialects.

Do you have a dictionary or a valid independent lexica source for these Egyptian words

Also, my guy.. Egyptian and Kush languages are not same language
They don't even belong to the same language group

Amujale:
It's a well established fact that the original Tunisians are Nubian.

All the original communities in North Africa was Nubian communities.

Its important to note that apart from the modern definition of Nubian that the original North Africans belong, this term was used loosely to describe all melanated communities similar to the way Ethiopian, Kush, Blacksic and we would eventually adopt our given name Africa.

The name Africa predates any foreign intervention.

The evidence suggest that our ancestors, 'the phenoms', named our continent 'aphrike' whilst they occupied Asia and Europe, calling their origin 'the land that is free from cold and horror', that was later Romanized into 'Africa'.

Well established fact that original Tunesians were Nubians??

So I take it that you don't know much about the geography and people politics of ancient North Africa

Where do you place the Berbers if you take them out of Tunesia. And who were the people South of Egypt if you take the Nubians and place them in Tunesia?

Amujale:
Runoko Rashidi is one of the foremost scholars in the field of research into melanated communities all over the world. 

He is not the kind of academic who sits in an ivory tower only studying manuscripts, he meets with many communities in over 100 countries and visited countless museums and historical sites and given thousands of lectures. 

He has taken beautiful photographs, some of which feature in his other books published by Books of Africa, Black Star, African Star over Asia e.t.c

Has Runoko Rashidi ever even worked at any African University or even been to Africa for research cus frankly I don't know
For you to declare him one of the foremost

2prexios:
Who needs to debunk folly when it's of no consequence in real life?

Go back and read Robin Law. And here is a book that kept me awake in my library.

Bloody Serpent.

You cry and rant about how I dismantle your nonsense all the time.. Since you insist my information is folly... Do the needful and debunk them like I debunk all your nonsense


congratulations..
You have finally bought a book and started reading history from an actual historian like I told you to. No wonder you felt suddenly empowered to come fire back at me

Unfortunately for you, Robin Law does not propagate a single nonsense you claim on this forum. So don't just mention names of scholars for nothing

And what has Robin Law's "The Oyo empire" or any of his works got to do with your old interpretation or 4 new interpretations of "Ateworo"? what was your purpose for mentioning him if not that you are excited to have finally started reading history

2prexios:
Rejection region in historical hypothesis

Professors of public opinion, tell me why my interpretation of atewonro cannot be any of the following, using extra material resources in your coffers as a trained and practicing historian:

A. Atewonro: one who from prison became sober.

B. One who twist the chain to it's elastic limit.

C. One who from the prison hangs

D. One who press chains to it's weak state.

Whenever you make an intelligent choice, you are discriminating on other options for a reason. Ability to come clean of the options you never choose is what proof your expertise.

Macof and software Generated Yoruba

And macof, twice you have given us lupo for ilu, and tele for te. You are the best in makeover. The same you are the one destroying others inputs.

But you are not wise enough to get it up your head that silebu ni ege oro ti eemi le gbe jade leekan soso. You lack the concept of syllable as a language user, be it English or Yoruba.

You don't have a sense of syllable as the unit of sounds in a word, hence your option is always crested only on the word given and it's meaning from a distance cluster as instance.

You always play safe. It shows you are Yoruba by software too, Yoruba with caution. No examples of variant meaning of a word or each syllable in a Yoruba word treated in dept on their own.

You alluded to linguistics but a failure at it you are. You only excel in temerity, your stock in trade. Your lies are in the open.

Read up rejection region in statistics and apply the same to what you do with public opinion generated conclusion as a "critic".

Lmao this one is just running mad right now
I have demonstrated what atewonro and Olofin mean. You have not pointed out why my interpretation is wrong.
I broke down the word and gave examples of where else those broken down words are found. My break down is also consistent with every single translation of the word out there

After dropping one very ridiculous translation of Ateworo in your book.. You now have new 4 translations .. You have dumped the translation you gave in the book
Reason why you should not rush to write a book. You equip yourself with necessary training and knowledge of what you are writing

You are simply pained that you got exposed for your poor understanding of the language and seek to fire back.
All this rant of "I'm cautious I'm not original" bla bla is rant of a desperate fool who couldn't find any information I have dropped to debunk like I debunk your nonsense on a regular basis

2prexios:
You don't have any clue what Yoruba history entails, get a life bro. You can never have access to the pristine tradition of the Yoruba. You are a stranger.

I got you and here you are pushing your confusion as science. Go back and read Robin Law on Oyo empire and do your research. You are clueless.

All the answers are not in one place as you are meant to believe and make us believe.

Still waiting for you to debunk a single piece of information I have dropped

what concerns Robin law on Oyo empire with oduduwa in ife?
Also let's be real, you have not read Robin Law
You don't read

2prexios:
You always have problem with the truth.


Ebora=Abraham

Ebora rhymes with Debora

The last time I quoted you was the post you claim to have embarrassed me severally. I know one thing about you, lie lie lie is the in thing in your life.

My simple request is that you have claimed to be an historian, but you are clueless about how the very tradition you jumped on emanated in Yoruba history, if you have any clue post it.

Insult and abracadabra man himself.

You have seen and responded to that post weeks ago. But it still pains you and you have suddenly gathered energy to execute a fire back in the middle of the night.

You couldn't deal with the correction in my post then, you still can't now

Again you are unable to debunk any information I have presented while I have dismantled many of your nonsense

2prexios:
How is it part of tradition? Care to explain?




Guy you have no clue what you want. How can you make claim for a man in two opposite directions? Oke ora? Heaven, sky? I already know your escape route.

One was his manifestation as god and as man later

That should be tenable to a hypnotic historian like you. It's your way of escape. What level of interpretation did you employ to get beyond all other possible meaning and arrive at the fact?

What if it's "Oduduwa a tewon ro"? That is, "one who descended from the prison"? . What stops you from viewing it from all possible angle?

I have demonstrated the traditions that can be demonstrated online or in print. For further demonstration you would need to seek the traditional guardian on Oduduwa in Ife. Traditions are after all practical

Your unawareness of the duality of yoruba òrìṣà is evident of your ignorance.
All you know is church stuff not yoruba traditions.

TAO11:
What!? Church sponsorship?

E reach like this?

It has gotten to that since the missionary era. Its just a new resurgence with yoruba pentacostals

2prexios:
When I told you that you are a plaigerising lot claiming to be historians, you were all like you are the best thing that ever happened to Yoruba history.

But here you all came for the bait because you wanted empty glory you never laboured for. Again macof, you are a pure serpent parading himself as an expert.i thought you claim "critic" is what you do best?

You can post the other info about oke ora, via Wikipedia but this tradition is not fit for public consumption, but the moment you saw my book, you became the advocate of the core truth you are hiding.

Don't you have brain enough to see I gave the very same interpretation you are submitting afresh before you did? So what's your excitement? That's called afterthought.

In fact you are a very clever clown. When you make your claim to Oke ora, I asked you for a core tradition on Oduduwa, you came up with festivals, rituals and rites of Ife.

I told you to let heaven be heaven and that you are turning the tradition of Oduduwa coming from heaven to Oke ora urban legend. You came back claiming all sorts.

Now that you saw my book, kia lo gbe oke ora ju sile, Erin fee pami So you know this but hide it from the public?

Can you see you are still confused? Can you please validate the tradition of descention of Oduduwa with fixed oral tradition from Ifa? At least you are the historian.

A tradition that has been in a culture for long should gather debris and become an enigma. A self acclaimed historian who picked up such and relay it the same way is not fit for the job.

Things are not the way they seems.

You are very silly. You have responded to this post with your other moniker, but you just can't let go of being exposed. Get off yourself and deal with the fact that you have a below average understanding of the Yoruba language and not the linguistic genius you claim to be.
Ebora is Deborah indeed

You are a Fraud and I demonstrate it every time

I have responded to you about Òkè-Ọ̀rà in ife traditions
I am waiting for you to debunk any information I have presented

Infact your argument here is not even about my post being wrong.. Its that I am not the originator
What dah hell is that? How many times would I tell you that history is not creative. You don't originate stories from your imagination.. That's not history you dimwit

seunmsg:
Nigerian politicians are all the same. They join political party simply to use it as a vehicle to power and not because they are convinced about the ideologies and programs of the party.

Anyway, it’s good riddance to bad rubbish. He should go and continue with his wicked and heartless behavior in PDP.

Nigerian parties don't have ideologies


And Nigerians don't vote based on ideologies

davidnazee:
I think the scholars talk more about the disintegration of Ife..

A civil war is not a disintegration. Ife was never disintegrated

And instead of trying to correct me, correct your child gregyboy that keeps saying nonsense

gregyboy:
During which era mumu oduduwa era did they witnessed oduduwa era or they are just reporting
What they were told

Oduduwa is a myth

You said no author mentions oduduwa and ife

I mentioned two

Anything else you have to say is null and void

Receive sense

darfay:
Are we sure that carbon dating isn't wrong here? Because the design and symmetrical (not sure if it's the right word) perfection is way too advanced for a 1000+ years old precolonial African society.

What tools where used in forging them etc. The mug/cup surprised me the most

So your problem is that its an African society?

You people look down on African pre-colonial societies too much

PastorAIO:
And when Yoruba was mostly islamized we started the story that we came from Mecca.
Sad!

I heard that Japanese empire was called Edo. Bini people may get some mileage out of that. The highest military rank in japan was called the Shogun. I’ve already heard a Yoruba guy try to link it with Yoruba Ogun for war. The guy was a pagan. Maybe if he was a Christian he would have leaned more to the Levant.

https://www.nairaland.com/5908411/igbos-not-hebrews-goodness-sakes#5908411.20

Look at what has happened to igbo history after the craze over Hebrew connection. Now they are complaining, when it's already late.
Igbos have effectively become a people without history after allowing religious sentiments and obsession with anything semitic (in this case Hebrew) to ruin the study of their history

This must never be allowed to happen to the Yoruba nation.
These enemies within who are determined to ruin the study of yoruba history with their semitic nonsense should be restricted to the barest minimum.

Now they are mostly far in the minority but ever since I found out that MFM was sponsoring one guy to go on all platforms to propagate this Hebrew idea I realised it was an agenda to Abrahamize the Yoruba
That's why they are so determined. They are well aware that they have no solid points nor can they ever acquire any sort of evidence but repeat a lie over an over again and it starts to wear the cloak of truth

gregyboy:
And i gave you my screenshot which says otherwise

You are real mumu
You said no author (I'm sure you meant scholar, cus an author can be anybody)
You said no author talks about Oduduwa's existence and the unification of Ife

I mentioned two. And you say your screenshot says otherwise
Bloody mofo, I just mentioned two scholars that talk about Oduduwa and Ife during his era

That there already renders your claim null and void
Jeez.. So dumb

gregyboy:
Suzanne Blier, is simply regurgitating oral history from whst she held they still note it as mythology




This one na mumu Omotosho Eluyemi abeg


Tell me the truth were is your ancestors from stop giving me that trash called ife

This was your comment

And no sane author supports the Oduduwa existence or even support ancient political unification under ife or support any yoruba direct ancestory from ife

And I gave you two scholars who have written extensively on it

Small pikin still dey do you.

gregyboy:
And no sane author supports the Oduduwa existence or even support ancient political unification under ife or support any yoruba direct ancestory from ife


Bro

LOL Suzanne Blier, Omotosho Eluyemi just to mention two
You are still a small boy in this matter. Keep reading sha
God help you

gregyboy:
Pyscho......... Best world to describe



Our oba said ekaladeran was sent to rule ife am even helping you guys out to call it a lie and that no relationship existed between the both party.....


Una come see me as bad person

For a while now nobody don argue the false account of benin-ife Oduduwa myth that's holds no weight

LOL you're not a bad person. You just don't know much

The ekaladaran story is not taken seriously by anyone outside Bini.. Almost half of Bini call it false especially the Ogiamien family
To top it all off, no traditional relic supports this narrative

So it doesn't matter if you support the oba or not

gregyboy:
Nxt tine you quote me on benin-ife relationships please quote me with ths necessary evidence

LOL.
I wouldn't stress myself teaching you something as basic as Idu
You should be ashamed of yourself as a Bini who doesn't know of Idu
Before you come to online platforms to act like you are a proud edo defender, know about what you are defending

gregyboy:
Oduduwa existence was a work of fiction taken too serious, Oduduwa was a diety and never existed, like every mythology they believe a diety was thier source of thier creation but representing the diety as a mortal beign who came to rule was a myth taken too far

The deity in question is not peculiar to Yoruba. You find the same element of creation of the world symbolically representing founding of a great settlement or great era
So history inspires the myth


Umueri Igbos say Eri descended from the sky to create land and his children populated the world
Edo say same of Idu.
Yoruba same of Oduduwa

So when you think to attack Yoruba for such tradition don't forget to attack everyone that has the same tradition

Infact best you don't attack anyone at all because you just don't comprehend anything

I made some corrections (in bold)

Olu317:
6. Yoruba language is Coptic Egyptian's in the same way you found it in Bini, Dahomey. What is Coptic Language ? it is a ritual ancient Christian language that was spoken in Egypt at a time in history. Bro,try to learn how to juxtapose with civility and uprightness. Below are:

COPTIC EGYPTIAN'S IN COMPARISON WITH LANGUAGE YORUBA COGNATE

1. Egypt. Wu (rise)
Yoruba: Wu (rise)

2. Egypt: Akhat(calendar, season, period) aha-t
Yoruba : Wakati (time, period, season)

3. Egypt: Eaure (Python / Serpent)
Yoruba: Ere (gigantic snake,python/ Serpent)

4. Egypt: HOrise (a great god) it is Heru (horus is greek name for Heru) why capitalize the O?
Yoruba: Orisha,risha,oritse,orise (a great god,ancestors, head, patrilineal or matrilineal ancestors)


5. Egypt: group of worshiper Sen (group of worshipers)
Yoruba: Sin,Si,sen (assemblage of worshippers to worship)


6. Egypt: Ged (to chant) hak/hek
Yoruba: Ogede, Igede (a chant)

7. Egypt:Ta (sell / offer)
Yoruba: Ta (sell/offer)

8. Egypt: Sueg (a fool)
Yoruba: Suegbe (a fool)

9. Egypt: On ( living person)
Yoruba: One ( living person)

10. Egypt: Kum (a club)
Yoruba: Kumo( a club)

11. Egypt:Enru (fear / terrible)
Yoruba: Eru (fear / terrible

12. Egypt: Kun / qun (brave man)
Yoruba: Okun, Ekun (,strength, bold, brave man)


13. Egypt: Odonit (festival) Heb
Yoruba: Odon , odun (festival)

14. Egypt: Ma or mi (to breath) teper
Yoruba : mae, Mi (to breathe )

15.Egypt: Tebu (a town)
Yoruba: Tebu(a town)

16. Egypt: Adumu (a water god) Ur-Henu .... there is no Adumu in Egyptian religion nice try
Yoruba: Adumu (a water venerated deity)

17. Egypt: Khu (to kill) Spirit not "to kill"
Yoruba: Ku (die)

18. Egypt Rekha (knowledge}
Yoruba: rikha, re ka(to be able to read ; knowledgeable)

19. Egypt : Hika (evil) it means magic, Divine power
Yoruba: Ika,uka (evil , wickedness, wicked,

20. Egypt : Mhebi (humble)
Yoruba: Mebi, humble to ones family

20. Egypt: Sata (perfect)
Yoruba: Santan (perfect)

21 Egypt: Unas (lake of fire)
Yoruba: Una, Ina, na, (fire,light)

22. Egypt: Tan (complete)
Youba: Tan (complete,finished,)

23.Beru (force of emotion)
Yoruba: Beru (,tremble, fear)

24. Egypt: Em (smell)
Yoruba: Emi (smell)

25.Egypt: Pa (open)
Yoruba: Pa (break open) what yoruba do you speak? how is "pa" = break open

26. Egyt: Bi (to become)
Yoruba: Bi (to give birth, to become)

27/Egypt: Heqet-Re (frog deity) it is simply Heqet...not Heqet-re
Yoruba: Ekere (the frog)

28. Egypt: Feh (to go away)
Yoruba: Feh (to blow away)

29. Egypt: Kot (build)
Yoruba: Ko (build)

30. Egypt: Kot (boat)
Yoruba: Oko (boat)

31 Egypt: Omi (water)
Yoruba: Omi (water)


32.Egypt : Ra (time)
Yoruba: Ira (time)

34 Egypt: Oni (title of Osiris)
Yoruba : Oni (title of the king of Ife)

35.Egypt: Budo (dwelling place)
Yoruba: Ibudo,Budo (dwelling place)


36 Egypt: Dudu (black image of Osiris)
Yoruba: Dudu (black person)

37. Egypt: Un (living person)
Yoruba: Uni, unea, eni (living person, individual person)

38. Egypt: Ra (possess)
Yoruba: Ra (possess/buy)


39.Egypt: Beka (pray/confess)
Yoruba: Be or ka (to pray or confess)

40.Egypt: Po (many)
Yoruba: Po (many/cheap)

41. Egypt: Horuw (head) middle Egyptian Oruwo
Yoruba: Horuw,Orun, (head) Ori

42.Egypt: Ash (invocation)
Yoruba: Ashe (invocation,authority)

44Egypt: Aru (mouth)
Yoruba: Arun, anu (mouth )

45.Egypt: Do (river) Iteru
Yoruba: Odo (river)

46.Egypt: Do (settlement)
Yoruba: Ido, Udo,Do (settlement)

47. Egypt: Bu (a place)
Yoruba: Bu ,a place


48.Egypt: Khepara (beetle) Khepri
Yoruba: Apakara, Akpakara (beetle)

49. Egypt: Ra -Shu (light after darkness)
Yoruba: Uran-shu, Ora shu, Oru shu, (the sunlight is dim, he sun light of the moon, night time when light has dimmed)

50 Egyt: Run-ka (spirit name) there is nothing like Run-ka, just Ka and it means Divine power, what yoruba call Ase
Yoruba:Oruko, ruko(name)

51 Egypt: Aru (rise)
Yoruba: Ru, a ro, ro (rise up)


52.Egyot: Ma (to know)
Yoruba: Ma (to know)

53. Egypt: Mu (water)
Yoruba:Mu, omi, ( water)

Lastly, some of the above words can also mean other things in Yoruba but the above shows Yoruba language was spoken in Coptic era. After all, Ifa Afa, appeared in north Africa at one time or the other in Africa's history. Even attah of Igala said, Ifaodu was a unifying factor beyond Yoruba land with other groups.

I couldn't confirm any of the egyptian words here to be what you claim they mean. But i did find errors
So imagine no word was verified but a few errors came out.

How then can you defend this list? Do you have a dictionary or comprehensive lexicon that can verify these words since nobody here speaks egyptian
@lx3as

Olu317:
Lol. Deceit js what you know how to do. So, I won't answer your question to pick more Hebrew words from me. But I will post what and when I desire. So, stop behaving as unread person.

1. What is the Yoruba story ? Please explain beyond incoherent information of descending from Heaven . You people aren't realists! Well, my ancestor in my Oriki mentioned Oru as their place of origin, Am I also from Heaven ?

2. Bro macof you skip information nos: 2! Are you under pressure ? !

3. I didn't mentioned Sultan Bello says, Opa Orammiyah in his account. You and lie are like 5&6. Interestingly other scholars who have more knowledge on Egyptians hieroglyphs did research on it and they realised it wasn't built by Egyptians elite nor its type found in Sub Sahara,although Ibos have a pyramid, which is similar to the one found in Egypt. So, the conclusion as at that time, was that there are characters on the Opa Oranmiyan. Deal with it

1. I already posted that twice. And the "descent from heaven" is not incoherent, maybe you mean not historical...which i agree. But it is part of yoruba tradition. If you had appreciation for tradition you would not set out to blatantly mock it like non-yoruba trolls do. it proves that you have no regard for yoruba tradition

2. Amazement, fascination.. That is what draws people to pseudohistory. A historian such as myself would not take what someone obviously made up as history
I didn't say sultan Bello's made up story is ethnically biased, nobody says that in the historical community
The question was simple... Why take the story of a fulani over what the Yoruba people say about themselves?

3. this was your response in defence of Sultan Bello's canaan origin of yoruba.
"Furthermore, The story is not made up because, as at today, the only thing being remebered abuot Opa Iranmiyan obelisk is that, it used to be a place where kings from other vassal state fashioned after Ileife take oath of allegiance and ordained as king"

going totally off point as usual.

4. Yoruba's Ifaodu is written in Torah as Eyphod or Ephod. Google can help you find the proposed meaning of it on Wikipedia.

b. Pick up books to know that shrines in Near East of ancient Hebrew did built alter as Yoruba people did in the past. Google will help you solve this small issue.

c. Ask people who have gone to Kaaba in Mecca,how they enter it and compare it with Yoruba's Awo's entry into a shrine . olodo lasan li e.


5. Wait for it. Do you expect me to give away a super information that has taken me years on a platform as this? Certainly not but I share the little with all of you to prepare your mind,so that you will know the wonderful information on Yoruba ancestors and their legacy.

b. Nah, I am not the angry type but you. Trust me, I can only posit my information based on my findings. So far, I have no reason to be angry because my work is true and will hit the stall in the near future.

4. it is Ifa. not Ifaodu. or you mean "odu ifa"? Odu-ifa are collections of stories and sayings. There are 16 principal Odu and 256 maximum. Where is this in connection to the Ephod? Is Ephod a system in which a chain of 8 cowries or 16 palmnuts are used to cast divination with a set of stories and sayings as guidance? answer is No

the Ephod is a garment worn by the jewish priests during ceremonies, yes sometimes used as a divination tool but the Ephod is not a system of Divination, it is a sacred garment not a system

while Ifa is not a piece of clothing or a tool. it is a system.

in West Africa we have Iha, Ifa, Afa, fa amongst the Igbo, Yoruba, Fon, Ewe, Edo which are all the same thing, but you are trying to force Ephod (a garment) into the mix. It makes no sense

b. post screenshots of the books and websites

c. they enter it by walking in with their backs? is that it? that there is lmao
it is the same in Igbo shrines, same in Hindu shrines....i am sure it is a worldwide phenomena not unique to yoruba shrines and the kaaba

Also why is it that you pick so called similarities from all over the middle east, you will pick how to enter a shrine from arabs, pick "baba" from aramaic, pick opa oranyan inscription from hebrew? you don't even know where exactly you claim yoruba originate from anymore

5. You have been giving "super information" as claims here, if you know you have no intention to support your claims with the evidence you also claim to have then why so serious about the claims here?
You just make a claim here and expect to be taken seriously wothout providing any evidence for them. Make all your claims in the book where you want to provide your evidence. Just as AbsoluteSuccess blundered in his break down of the words Olofin and Atewonro in his book by using the same level of his NL posts to write a book, do not just pour out your imagination, provide evidence

gowonmaharajah:
@absolutesuccess
@Olu317.
I have been following your threads and inputs from page 1.and I can confidently say you're really doing a good work.
keep it up,Sirs.

Since you are so confident, care to defend them with facts? Or you are just here to be a cheerleader that is drown to the prospects of having ancestors from the Bible

PastorAIO:
This is too sad. First Igbo people and now ijebu. The destruction wrought on our minds by colonialism is immense.

Please there is no J sound in Hebrew. Just like Jesus is actually yehoshua so the Jebus are actually pronounced Yee boo see. Please just because a name In a language sounds vaguely like another in another language that doesn’t mean they are the same.

Unfortunately desperation to attach to semitic people will not allow these guys understand this

Interestingly, there are more words that sound vaguely alike between Yoruba and Japanese but since Japan is not where their religion comes from they have no interest in that

Just because you follow an Abrahamic religion should not be a reason for you to seek to destroy Yoruba history by Abrahamizing it

absoluteSuccess:
I owe you this response my brother, you don't have to apologize for what you didn't do, you are the "Iranlowo" a voice of wisdom when most were petrified by the psychopath and his ilks at page 7, you calm the storm with your God given power and the game changed from thence.

You have fulfilled destiny in your own way and truth is not about to come, what we have already is truth enough.

I respect you dearly sir, more wit and clear understanding of the most subtle subjects. truth can be damn simple.

Fear nobody in this world. That's my only advice bro, at worst you die, ori agba ree san ju oju agba re lo.

God bless.

Lmao you call me a psychopath. Because I ask you to provide evidence for your claims

Instead of crying and ranting simply do the needful and stop trying to use Yoruba to feed yourself, go into something productive not destructive. You are not fit to be taken seriously on yoruba historical matters
I have embarrassed you severally for you to do a rethink of this your evil and shameless agenda