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[quote author= Nativeboy]In any case, we've strayed from the original point of this thread. The reason not to embrace African spirituality is that Jesus has come. Before then, it was fine to engage in African spirituality, but now the one true God has been revealed. You yourselves liken the Yoruba pantheon of gods to that of other traditions but just as it was in those other traditions and in the Yoruba tradition, when people heard the gospel they embraced it because it was truth.[/quote]1. Jesus is for the Jews
2. He is not the Messiah the Jews prophesied, he failed to complete the criteria list
3. He failed in his self appointed mission to his people
4. A false jewish Messiah cannot be Messiah of the world
5. It's illogical for Jesus or any man to be the way of salvation
6. The kind of salvation Christians preach is illogical
7. The Yoruba have their own Messiahs Orunmila(the human), Oduduwa, Oranmiyan, Moremi, Awolowo were all Messiah's of their time. Let the Jews keep their Messiahs, they had Moses, Joshua, David, Cyrus(Persian)...they still await the next
8. The Jewish Messiah is not a savior of sin, but a political, military and possibly spiritual leader and teacher.
9. think about it, if Jesus is so important to the world, every spirituality in the world should have had prophecies about it, our ancestors didn't know of any savior of sin that would come
10. Before Oduduwa came to Ife, many Years before he was born(where ever it was), there were prophecies about his coming and that he should be made 1st king of Ife. There was never a person who claimed Ife until Oduduwa fulfilled the prophecy. Now if prophecies about A king could exist why didn't prophecies of a world savior exist?

Pls think and stop being brainwashed

ghostofsparta: Ajule-Orun

Oro kpo

new thread?

The Bible has been edited and modified, no one knows of the original books to prove it's authenticity

NativeBoy: Having a pastor doesn't prevent you from learning about other perspectives. That's the individual's responsibility not the pastor's. if a pastor sincerely believes in the truth of scripture, why would the pastor then want to advance other ideologies.

LogicBoy's statement is applicable to atheists as well. Many atheists simply regurgitate the quotes of Dawkins, Hawkings, Krauss, and the rest of the world's leading atheists.

We are all influenced by someone. I therefore say that Atheists are not good for you.

wrong! I am not influenced by anyone

oyinbogirl: Satan

Satan had nothing to do with this

Show me satan's name there
Abi Eve na satan code name?

Domain Master: On judgement day infront of God, i will just hold the Nigerian flag to show i have been thru hell already

Judgment day theory is false

Ur post made me laugh tho

Rickywowoz: Please house, i heard the visa is a one year visa and that you will renew it overthere in Germany when it expires, i want to know if you are to provide another €8000 before the visa is renewed.

So the first time u apply from Nigeria u have to pay €8000?

Akshow: guy u deserve award for nairaland o. Is there any thread u don't show face?

Never seen him on Religion section

Of course the story is not real but I'll play along

Eve is to blame

1. The serpent never told eve to eat, it only told her the truth behind the mystery of the fruit

2. Adam saw his wife eat the fruit and lo, she didn't die and it seemed like a tasty fruit. So why not take a bite?

homesteady: @the last picture - is that body-guard wearing a singlet? Who does that?? Couldn't he get a suit to wear? Or if a Suit is too expensive, a body hug shirt will be okay!

Lol. he wants those single bridesmaid to feel his muscles

Von Bismark: you can deny the truth, and choose to follow the path of darkness. May God hv mercy on you.

Pls answer my question

Where in the Bible did devil lie or cheat anybody?

Von Bismark: so u do believe in heaven bt u dnt believe hell exist. hw funny. U knw the truth bt u choose nt to believe and tell it. if u knw heaven exist and its a place where pple who hv lived a good life go, hw come u dnt believe hell exist and its a place where the evildoers and sinners who hv refused to turn to God go. u can deny the truth bt on the day of judgement u ll be held accountable.

Some questions for u
1. Where were we before we were born?

2. Can u explain the essence of the law of karma?

3. Why does sickness, diseases and bad luck happen to people?

If u can explain these then u are intelligent and know why hell is needless and a complete fabrication by Romans

Show me anywhere in the Old testament or words of Jesus in Mark or John that says people who do bad would go to hell and rot

^^^ those who believe wat I don't believe? depends on wat they believe.

I am Yoruba, And so a Zulu shouldn't believe wat I believe, let him believe his ancestors while I believe mine

harbiola1: It's never too late, so many gullible sheep are out there. but one thing, u'll never get the attention of people with ability to reason and that will cut short ur campaign.

I would not do that,
I would only publish a book, speaking the truth about the pagan spiritualities in Nigeria.
Expose the lies of foreign religions- Islam and christianity
And correct the slander against Yoruba spirituality

Now, do u think those people that have already devoted their life to Orunmila will have any reason to manhunt u like they did to Prophet Muhammed (saw)? No! those people will give u their very strong support because u're uphold their belief.

But try it and tell them to stop serving Orunmila and others, but serve Olodumare alone in an acceptable way other than bowing for gods and u'll see their reactions towards u.

No Yoruba pagan should threaten people or spread lies, no Yoruba pagan should proclaim his beliefs as universal completeness and perfectness, we all lest in life and Ifa says that no man can learn all in one life time, that is why we come back over many life times just to acquire one lesson to develop our soul.
Other Yoruba pagans would condemn such actions, as everyone has his own Ori and Orunmila cannot claim all, Esu claims, Obatala claims, Yemoja, Sango, Ogun, Osun, Oko, Aje, all these Orisha and many more claims certain people's Ori and so it's wrong to proclaim Orunmila as the claimer of all Ori

Let me tell u the reality here. If u are a Prophet of God, U can kill any number of heedless idol worshipers and wrongdoers after several warnings from God to repent. Moses, David, Solomon, Prophet Muhammed (saw) and others did it and they were blessed for it. I just laughed at u guys whenever i see u extending ur Humanitarian Activities towards the doing of All-Mighty God. Even though u never bother to know what those outcast people did before such things happened to them, because God and His prophets has never and will never be unfair to any set of people (I'm not defending the skinning of 200 people for 1 wife and others o). And i hope u know the number of wars and lives that our ancestors wasted, even though not to direct people to the true path bt for their self interest. and they should nw be our role model abi? i'm nt mocking bt explaining so that we should mind what we will be saying.

Wrong, This is totally wrong in the eyes(not literal) of God.
All humans are made in his glory and we all seek meaning to our lives and render philosophies about the universe and the nature forces which our ancestors have studied and understood.
Paganism is not evil(this is slander; and slander shall befall those who keep slander)
There's no such thing as Idol worship, it's Idolatry- a means of using idols to represent the unseen conscious forces of nature. No one worships idols
1. Wat could those murdered by muslims have done to be killed?
2. U justify mass murder and inhumane treatment of jihadist and islamic terrorist. You condone evil and call it service to God- Even Allah doesn't ask anybody to kill for him, Neither does he ask anybody to worship him- Gods don't ask for worship, they usually mind their business and tend to the control of the universe, it's humans who want to benefit from them that call on them in worship

Our ancestors never killed innocent people for selfish reasons, our ancestors never killed and claim a God sent them, these books(Koran and Bible) spread lies, these books state God sends them to kill those who don't believe them, kill those who are different(discrimination)

In the wonderful Paganic era of Africa, our ancestors never killed for religion, killing were done for protecting the cities from foreign aggression, rival nations, and land protection, religion was by ethnic group, and each nation of each ethnic group worshipped only one God- Ekiti had only Orunmila, Oyo worshipped Sango, Ondo worshipped Ogun, Eko Awori(Lagos) worshipped Olosa, Badagri worshipped Olokun, osogbo, Ijesa worshipped Osun
The Bible even said that all nations should work with their own God.
Israel worshipped Yahweh/El Shaddai, Ur kasdim worshipped Naana, Shechem worshipped El Berith
And their waa happiness with every nation calling the name of it's one God(Not Only God of the universe)
Why such Arabs now come and bring the God of Mecca, when Oyo has it's own God?
It's not right- open ur eyes and stop blindly defending the wrongs of Islam

If u're a prophet, God will grant u permission to do certain things which ordinary man can't do. bt if u use juju (Jinn Force) and u call it miracle, my brother, the consequences would be very devastating. Only one remedy is that the people shouldn't die which i think is impossible.

Juju is from God, it's just been used wrongly a lot these days- power doesn't drop unto men mysteriously from God

You are Muslim, wat about Christian, Yoruba(pagans) and Jewish prophets who perform miracles even better than ur imams
doesn't it mean ur God isn't only for Islam?
Juju isn't evil, stop being ignorant these are advanced science formed from the energy of nature- it's the kind of people who use them that can be regarded as evil, because now so many do evil with such powers.


Their is no Prophet without Prophesy, Signs, Miracles... Do u think u're wiser, knowledgable... than those millions of true believers in Allah and His prophets (as). I personal do not regard myself as a priest or prophet but those who do have powers of prophecy, signs and miracles. I hear of Osun priest that walk on water, some priest dat stop rain and make rain

Brother, Juju no dey last and i've told u it implication. where're the Roman gods today, many of them did more amazing things than these prophets (as) in question.
U are ignorant, Potent charms that last even after death(dead bones doing miracles) exist. Romans gods are in heaven(spiritual realm) controlling the universe,these gods are the same everywhere- hermes is esu, zeus-a kind of combination of Obatala and Sango, Ogun is a combination of Ares and Hephestus, Osun is Aphrodite, Sigidi is Morpheus, so many like dat
Spirituality is achieved by how the people understand the forces around them, that's why it's mental slavery and insult to the ancestors of a people, for them to reject their spirituality for that of another people, wats worse is that christianity and Islam were only formed out of Paganism in order to control people.

all these explainations won't do b4 our creator.

the only explanation we give to our creator is- how we lived, wat lessons we learned, how we improved the earth because all these matters to the development of our souls.

before i say more on this. do u agree that there will be jugdement day?

of course! wat do u think? That our ancestors were not aware of punishment of sin? Why do u think our ancestors are useless? U just hate being a Yoruba and wish u were Arab
judgment is not on a particular day, it's any day and many days. When we sin God punishes us according to the law of karma(do bad and bad returns, do good and good returns) sickness, death, loneliness, diseases, failure, natural disasters etc. are punishments from God

This's not a matter of quran or arguments. these are plainly false, fabricated stories. when u posted links and i went to read the one that may be acceptable and quoted what i saw there and u're complaining, would i by to false stories in order to satisfy somebody. and i don't think u'll agree with me if i use that wikipedia to attack u, because it says ur belief is wrong.

It's a matter of quran and arguments, because the only reason u argue and call it false is because it disproves major points of the quran

Bring wikipedia to disprove ur ancestors, I dare u!. Bring it, let's see u mock ur own ancestors in support of Mohammed. Have u not sold urself as an Arab slave?
I dare u to disprove that Obatala didn't mold human bodies
I dare u to disprove that Osun is not a healing goddess
I dare u to disprove that Oya doesn't follow Sango to perform their duties

Na God save the man sey okada dey around

shdemidemi: Believe what you want sir, the fact remains that human philosophies remain unstable and unsure. People come up with different thoughts n opinions that they base their belief on as if they were true. We make summations based on experiences, haps or mishaps.

We here things like 'all men/women are bastards'...speak to the man or woman who made such statement after he or she finds the other half, they might be saying something different.

The scriptures is too certain, more sure and remains a guide to godly living.

Human philosophies explain the universe wit logic and reason, over centuries since civilization began man has resolved to thinking about his environment and realize the beauty of nature and life. Many have studied and meditated, many have communed with their consciousness and realized things that many have not, modern science has proved some and disproved some, some haven't been theorized yet.

But u think philosophy is beneath Bible poo?

I tell u dat the many stories in Genesis and Exodus are myths and fable which I won't call philosophy but madness and stupidity

Nothing guides a man to godly living better than his conscience

ISLAM911: My friend don't deceive yourself! You're a muslim

MUSLIMS(and some other religions and a particular christian denomination I don't wnt to mention here) WORSHIP SATAN without knowing it! He's a deceiver!

I studied demonlogy and hav summoned several demons (iv repented tho')! I know this stuff!!

Because they oppose ur Christian doctrines, u call them satan worshipers.

I know the Christian denomination who speak of is catholism, but u shouldn't dare because u owe ur christianity to catholics all of u who defile them are the real demons and satan worshipers of christianity.

Catholism is not pure, it's full of lies and modified Paganic practices yet all Christians follow the rules they made

You go to church on Sunday
Say "Amen"
Celebrate Easter
Celebrate Christmas on December 25th
Believe in trinity

And u think u are pure, u think u are free from catholism.

Wat a fool u are

mcfynest: did u bother reading the next verse? i guess not. mayb u havent read the bible sef that u r jst sayin wat ur alfas told u....lemme help u.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
he was merely sayin that people will hate oneanoda based on this teaching that he has brought a sword to cut d love dat one has for this world and not for the good news

The rest of the chapter is even worse.

Jesus wants to cause hatred and division in families, nations, continents and the world.

A man who begs for worship and love at death, telling u to rebuke ur family for him.

Is this the quality of a holy man

Bidam: Lost soul groping in the dark.Who told you that's what that scripture meant?

Then wat does the scripture mean?
Since u have the holy spirit that interprets words already in English

cleanvessel: Go and solve the so many problems in your quran first. The quran is full of confusions. The latest is that your quran is only a guess-work. Most parts of it were written when the memorizers had lost their memories and there were differences in their recitations.

The writer only guessed what he wrote because there was noway he could confirm the true recitations as he could not hear from Allah himself.

All of you are carrying fake words of Allah you call quran about.

U slander Islam

hypocrite! Is christianity better?

pointblank 321: You are ignorant of the meaning of Jesus statement. Which war did Jesus fight? Who did He kill?

He was encouraging the war to come between family members and nations in his name.

Imagine Yorubaland torn apart and disunited due to Islam and christianity

So many have died in the name of Jesus

This is the war that Jesus brought to the Africa and the world

May Yemoja protect all the babies from harm

Ase!

Logicboy speaks the truth.

These religions close ur mind, they prevent u from reason, and any sudden confusion or doubt about them is labeled shaky faith doomed to hell.

I advice all people to learn from the opposing side as that gives u knowledge and reason to stand in ur faith. For a man who knows nothing about his neighbor shouldn't condemn him for lies and slander

born2fuck: you will be given anti-christ governor general of Lagos state. You have supported Devil ministerial work in a good way. My way no bi your way.

Foolish confused fellow

You are liable to drown in something worse than hell

Ur soul is dying gradually and u are happy wit ur self, living in lies that ur pastors and Bible spread

Von Bismark: be careful wat you pray for. because it just might be granted and wen u realize it, it ll definitely b too late... the devil feeds ppl with lies and deceit just to make sure he drags alot of pple to hell with him, he knws there is no tym be warned and follow the path that leads to life eternal.

False
Your Bible doesn't support this, no where in the Bible did the devil lie or deceive people

ebenice: is that wat u are here for?

I look out for interest of Africans, and foreign religions are not in the interest of Africans.

Seek knowledge and truth

Mozarinia: where are your ancestors that you will go to meet?

In heaven, some here on earth already reincarnated

Rexyl: No matter how corrupt the world might be and people live their lives the way they like, there will always be Christians standing out faithfully and living morally.

And are u one of these Christians?

tsleazy: only the Lord Jesus will save you.

Jesus can't save anyone

rexzqcom: where're you, a beast of no lineage,........."practising another man traditions, and call it religion". True religion are in-born from the almighthy himself. you need to learn more on the word "religion". we (you) do not need any sharlots calling himself prophet to align or kindle you with God. we are born aligned with the almighty. To realign, rekindle, (re-ligion) assumed you fell out of alignment from God. Even when you fall out of alignment, the potential to rekindle the unity is an inborn force within you.

Very true, We humans are born in the full glory of God and endowed with all we need to survive on earth and grow in spirit. No one is absent from God's glory