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MEILYN
Truth be told. The gods don't care about worship. Do u know that they still help u regardless of ur ignorance and lack of knowledge about them.
that's true love. But yet they don't even ask for worship, our ancestors began worshipping them because they noticed how much of an advantage it would be to honor them. They are conscious and react to certain activities, when we sacrifice and praise them, they give us goodness and blessings.

However, this world works with karma- do good u receive good, do bad u receive bad. Sango himself would strike his devotees for wrong doings.

That's why even Ifa says "Ori should be nourished and not Orisha"

MEILYN: I agree with you, God is the God of mountains. Mountains means Nations. I wont say more than that.

And stones means states

God You mean Yahweh, Yahweh is the God of mountains

Kenny4lyfe: Bros abeg, if indeed you've been blessed by orunmila with wisdom, knowledge and intelligence;
1. » How come the europeans and americans are ahead of the indigenous yorubas technology wise?
2. » What is your purpose for living (why/how did orunmila brought you into existence) ?
3. » What does orunmila have to offer in our world of today?

I need answers with proof please! Thanks!

1. Orunmila is not about Yoruba people, he is about all race of humans and all there is to the universe. So many Africans do not understand Orunmila that is why we are not properly blessed by him.
Orunmila isn't about technology, technology is Ogun's duty. However Orunmila plays an important role in everything, Yoruba people are not leading the world in technology because most of us don't have the interest, how many Africans actually encourage kids who have such skills to develop? It's not about the gods to invent for us, we can only use their elements to invent. But our failure to do this isn't their fault, it's we. However upon all this, Africans have advanced science(known to most as juju) which other parts of the world have lost. The thing is this skills are not being encouraged, mostly due to christianity and Westernized mentality. We think copying them is the best, when we can develop ours.

2. Only Ifa and Ori(in Yoruba spirituality) can reveal ur destiny and ur purpose in life. And that's personal matters, no one should know that, it's always best to grow in Ori and Ori would guide u to ur destiny.
Orunmila doesn't bring anyone into existence.
The life process is:
Olodumare forms the soul.
Ori chooses the destiny of the coming life.
The soul is granted exit from the spiritual realm by Esu
The body which contains the soul is created by Obatala
The fruit of the womb of the mother is granted by Osun
The period during pregnancy and the time of birth is monitored by Yemoja
The journey of life is guided by Ori, and any devoted Orisha

3. Orunmila offers wisdom and knowledge, Orunmila supports Ori better than Almost all other Orisha, Orunmila drives men to realize wat the consequence of wrong decisions and right decisions are, Orunmila through Ifa can help make the right decision at all times, Orunmila reveals secrets and lies to those who seek him.

Gombs: Macof, Bidam simply asked how your god came to be, and you are just dodging him.

I wanna add, where does your god stay, did he create the universe? And how? Did he create man? Does he...

Answer the above first

No he ask the steps to know Orunmila, and I answered how I knew Orunmila

Orunmila stays in the spiritual realm like all other spirit forces

No! Olodumare created the universe, but Orunmila was present through the process off creation

Olodumare forms the souls, Obatala forms the bodies

Joshthefirst: I always get baffled when you say these things.

The only way one might have a chance at getting me to begin to doubt is to keep me from studying Gods word.

All of life's answers are in there.

The fastest way atheist are formed is by reading the Bible

MEILYN: killer punch .... Nice one bro, let me not be biased here, you have put this two orunmila and esu men to shame.... Bow out with proud bro, you have won this one.

Mr. man nobody is fighting a war here.
And his case is still up for debate, I have no time to check his query right now but when I do I would get back to this thread.

U jst burst wit Joy for something that hasn't been proven

Emusan: OK since you don't know let me tell you, I ssimply mean the sleepless night you have put yourself into.



The questions are;
Do you really believe in Jesus as you claimed or just a church goer?
Is your life in accordance with that path of Him?




I believe Orunmila didn't show up just like that, you need to follow some step(s) so do Jesus. But why Orunmila didn't reveal himself to the world except only you?



Why not you can;
Thank God that I'm deluded but remember the way Orunmila revealled Himself to you Jesus Christ has also revealed Himself to me....so if I'm deluded so be you....

u don't know me and how I was 2years ago. I was a devote Christian who worked as I knew the Christian Christ.
You cannot claim someone to be a better Christian than another Christian, u don't know wat they do privately.

Orunmila actually manifested himself just like that. The whole world is blessed by Orunmila. But I didn't know.
The first step to knowing Orunmila as I do now was when I started reading the Bible unbiased

Second step was when I went to my home town to visit after a long time, then I read a news paper article about Ifa and the Orisha, then I ask old folks who preached to me about Yoruba spirituality

Third was getting my Ori checked by an Iyanifa- it was revealed that Orunmila claimed my Ori, and in order to grow I had to work as Orunmila would.

Then the one that convinced me was when I attended Osun ceremony, and a seemingly ordinary river water healed people and personally I got relieved from a severe headache in seconds

From then on I've been trying to work in line with Orunmila.
Orunmila has been the Orisha of not only my family but the entire state of Ekiti. I got to learn more about Yoruba spirituality and I devoted myself to the patron God of my ancestors, who had already chosen me from birth.
I would soon get initiated and probably learn how to dafa(use Ifa)

Orunmila reveals himself to everybody, all the gods reveal themselves to everybody. But u don't know.

When u see lightening, that's Sango revealing himself

Jesus is not known to reveal anything to anybody. Orunmila however hasn't revealed himself to only me. we all have been blessed by Orunmila with wisdom, knowledge and intelligence.

Bidam: could you pls answer my question before i attend to urs? Thanks.

Lol ur answer to that question gives u the ability to understand Orunmila, and a few ways he can manifest in a man's life

[quote author=Ace-thekid]It doesn't matter how he became a christian...he could have been taking a stroll at night and looked up at the sky and saw the words "convert or die" or he could have just been born catholic; the main point is that he had the Bible (named King James version) translated from the original Hebrew texts and not a "revised" version of the catholic bible that was translated under Constantine's reign with whatever agenda they had in mind (the whole mary worship and purgatory ish and a whole lot of other trash). What King James gave us was a direct translation, not a mixed diluted one.[/quote]He translated the Bible from Latin not Hebrew. He never understood Hebrew

And the catholics were the ones that translated the Bible from Hebrew to Greek and Greek to Latin

The Bible KJ translated was already compiled by the catholics.

And it's not as if he used his own labor/knowledge to translate. He had a team of linguist do the real job

Babalawo are the best kind of spiritual teachers I have known.

I rate Baba Wande higher than any Pope or pastor

He is the spokesman of Ifa in the world world. The most respected and honored Aborisha(Yoruba spirituality)
www.wandeabimbola.com/

Babalawo believe in God, and they worship God better than many pastors
Wat most pastors do is to lie against Babalawo

DoctorStephen: You doubtlessly want to know if Jesus exists,don't you?
Before I proceed?
Does the electric current exist?Show me its picture?
The picture of the first man,where is it now?
You should have known that there were no cameras by then.
However you can go to DLCC,Km 42,Lagos/Ibadan expressway,Nigeria,for the program, POWER IN THE OLD TIME WAY,and see Jesus mighty works ,this Saturday(@6pm),and Sunday(@8am),on the 16th&17th November,2013.
When you see miracles happening in the name of Jesus,you'll know that He truly exists.
You also can do great things in the name of JESUS CHRIST.
All you need to do is to:
Repent from all your sins
Believe that Jesus died for your sins,and is your saviour
Confess that Jesus Christ is the Lord of your life
Surrender your life to Him,in faith,by prayer.
Then you'll discover that you have the authority and power to pray in the name of JESUS CHRIST,and great things will happen
Amen

Electric current exist. If u want evidence, go touch a naked wire. That's even an aspect of Sango.

Why use Sango to relate a question about Jesus?

I have seen all kinds of miracles in the name of Jesus. I've also seen miracles done without any name. It's not the name that gives miracles

Reading the Bible wit an open mind can make a Christian convert

Kizmarty: d fool had said in his heart,there is no God above<adopted frm d scriptures>



@o.p...lolzz..i was spyin for a pic though

I said there is NO JESUS, not there is no God

Are u having problems reading in English?

Show be the picture of Jesus, was he not a man? An important man like Jesus should have a bust, or painted image.
You can't tell me such didn't exist during the supposed time of Jesus

I am not tribalistic. I don't claim wat I dnt know, I am Still growing in Orunmila and I am still of little wisdom and pray for his blessings everyday.

Olodumare isn't Allah, Olodumare is same as Chineke/Chukwu, Olodumare is same as Osanoboa, Olodumare is similar to Uranus, Olodumare is similar to El Elyon.

By "similar" I mean their attributes, role and duty to the universe.

I never claim wat I don't have evidence, it's always left for people to believe.

In this forum I have been corrected, and I thank Orunmila for every correction he uses another NL member to achieve.

if I say Olodumare is not Allah, it's because they aren't the same, if I say Olodumare is not Yahweh it's because they aren't the same.
If I say Yahweh and Orisha Oke are the same I know why I say so.

If I say Allah doesn't exist in Yoruba spirituality, I know why I say so

Allah doesn't have an exact counterpart in Yoruba spirituality.
the Arabs have a different philosophy than Yoruba

Bidam: Can you tell us how your idol showed himself

Are u intelligent(not foolish)? Do u strive to acquire wisdom? Do u know ur destiny? have u made a wrong discussion that affected ur life negatively?

harbiola1: Ok! we would see how Allah was personified.

Audhubillahi mina shaytani rojim. excuse me pls! never say such a thing to me again.

U're talking about God here. u know if u go to English speaking country u'll call him "God" and German "Gott", Assyriac "Alaha", Aramair "Elaha" and Arabic "Allah". that is it! thank God u're not an atheist

u're saying rubbish, Olodumare is not an energy. u guys can wake up tomorrow and say you want to personify energy. Olodumare is the creator of energy and asigned a role for him just like knowledge and wisdom.

That is why only him deserves to be worshiped.

You should read pre-Islamic Arabian spirituality, you would know how Allah has been personified.

Esu is not satan, satan doesn't exist.
Esu is the force behind confusion, he likes to make people think, he is a close friend of Orunmila, he directs humans to Orunmila because he knows that Orunmila is very important.

So when I say Esu release u from confusion, I don't mean Satani/satan, I mean Orisha Esu- the ever faithful child of Olodumare

Gott/God are titles given to these forces in such languages. It doesn't mean that is Olodumare, Allah isn't Olodumare. Even tho Allah is called God in English and Olodumare is called God in English.
They are not the same.Allah is a moon God. Olodumare is not even God of anything, he is simply All

Olodumare is worshipped everyday of a good pagans life, he is worshipped everyday in the afterlife. However whether we worship him or not, it doesn't change who he is. He gives us life and we come to earth to fulfill wat we promised before coming, Our souls which is everything we are was created by Olodumare, Our exit from the spiritual realm was granted by Esu, Our bodies which contain our soul was molded by Obatala, our mother's pregnancy was granted by Osun, Our birth was granted by Yemoja, During our lives Ori guides us. After death, Esu plays our life records and we see wat we learned and how our souls have developed.

So when we worship the Orisha, we worship Olodumare, because they Orisha are part of Olodumare, even we humans are part of Olodumare, we have just changed forms.

I am also ban till Feb 14

Abiola u post without knowledge. May Orunmila guide u to acquire some from wat he has given me today.


Knowledge and wisdom didn't come before Orunmila. Orunmila is knowledge and wisdom.

Orunmila is next after Olodumare in the sense that Olodumare has placed Orunmila to be the most important aspect of the universe behind himself(I don't like refer to Olodumare as "him" but for u to understand I wud continue)

you confuse Orisha Orunmila with Orunmila the first Ifa priest.
I have explained before that they are two different entities. Orisha Orunmila is not a sentient being, he is the conscious force of universal intelligence, while Orunmila who lived in Ile-Ife thousands of years ago was a wise and intelligent man who found the secrets of Ifa. Orisha Orunmila was probably called Ifa before Orunmila because even in many Odu Ifa- Ifa is used as his name inplace of Orunmila. Just like Jakuta was used before Sango.

Babalawo don't need to beg Olodumare to dafa, it's only Orisha Orunmila that can help u dafa.
We don't disturb Olodumare for wat he has made Available and Accessible by the creation of Orisha Orunmila

Try watching a Babalawo, he praises Orisha Orunmila and no one else, Orunmila is the only thing necessary to dafa.

No Ogun worshipers know that Orunmila is second, they cannot claim Ogun to be second.

Intelligence and wisdom is the most important thing Olodumare has formed, that's why Orunmila is second.

Ogun worshipers cannot say ogun is second because they know, and everyone knows that Intelligence and wisdom is greater than Iron and brute strength.

No one has access to the whole universe, No one can have a mission for the whole universe. But Orunmila does.

Orunmila is not an angel(messenger). Irunmole should be Yoruba for the Jewish Angel. Orunmila is on a different level and has a fixed duty to the universe, he cannot digress for any reason.

Olodumare doesn't have a partner, because he is The first and was once the Only before his conscious movements began. This conscious movements gave birth to the Orisha

tensor777: Look around your environment especially at people that can afford the luxuries and good things of life. Almost 100% of their kids are totally at home with speaking English or Nigerian pidgin rather than their ancestral languages. They will also travel outside their home regions for study, work and business and marry from outside their ancestral tribes.
What will then happen to the children of these kids today? You think they will somehow teach their own wards a language which they themselves have hardly ever used outside the house?
Bros you de fall my hand no be small!

Dude I don't understand Ekiti dialect, that doesn't mean I won't encourage my kids to learn it.

In fact I'll expose them to it so they can know their personal identity

Emusan: I can see you truly have problem not with Jesus but with yourself........you know what I mean?



They way Atheist are saying God should show up......does it make God shows up? No.....so if you want Jesus to show up believe in Him and He will surely do so......He promised whosoever believe in Him He and His Father will manifest themself unto him/her.



I can't stop laughing....please begin to tell people that your grandpa is alive and he can save you from your sin.....that's a good move

I don't know wat u mean
I believed in Jesus, since I knew how to speak, however he never showed himself, not even once.

However I have believed Orunmila for less than two years and he has shown himself despite me not being initiated

I can't start preaching that my alive grandpa can save because I am not deluded like u Christians

No picture? Jesus doesn't exist

Arcsniper: I started doubting all d things i believed. When i asked a Muslim friends about cabba(not sure of d spelling).

I asked them what's inside cabba at different places and times,they were saying different things about what's inside cabba.i asked questions like why do u people worship sun/moon.i never knew that Allah means God of the moon.

Coming to the xtian,the bible is just confusing.i always read d bible latter on i stopped, cos,i don't agree and i doubt everything.

Romans 6:22-23
22.now you are free from sins and become God's slave(not his child again.child and slaves are two different things)23.the payment for sin is DEATH,but God gifts is evalasting life found in Jesus Christ

then what's death about?
Ecclesiastes 9:5
for the living shall die:but the dead know not anything,neither have they any more reward;for the memory of them is forgotten
to me it means after death their is nothing,dead people have no reward,where does hell comes from?

Aother thing is when a pastor was talking to my mum about d bible incomplete stories like David didnt killed golaith,Adam and eve story,somethings were missing there.Joseph and potiphars wife,why d bible didnt mentioned her named but it was mentioned in the Koran

so if i was born into a Muslim or xtian family,and i die after some years and going to hellfire,it sounds insane.

definitely,the bible is not complete.

Yes it's not. from the old testament to the new testament. Some Bibles, especially in Ethiopian churches have 80+ books/letters

The compilation of the Bible was done as it suited men.

there's this thing going on that the Romans edited some books in the new testament.

do u know Andrew(a disciple of Jesus) wrote a letter about his time with Jesus.
but the Romans didn't add it to the Bible, they instead Added Matthew and Luke who didn't know Jesus

Divepen: paul was sayin there that ...you are serving God but you named him different names and you are serving him the wrong way

so we should only serve God in Hebrew names and serve him the Christian way

Divepen. U know this op is full of poo.

I won't address anything except where u claimed I worship stones

First of all. Orunmila and other gods of my spiritual standing aren't stones, they are forces of universal existence.

Intelligence is in u(even if it's jst little, considering this op), Orunmila is responsible.

Lightening strikes, Sango is responsible

War happens, Ogun is responsible

The skills of a hunter and a blacksmith is given by Ogun because their work is nothing without Iron.

Even atheist know this, the only problems we pagans have with them is that they claim this energies aren't conscious.

When my ancestors created stones as image of these energies that they cannot see, but know it's existence. They do it so they can have something to see and touch to draw their awareness. We don't serve this stones it's wat they represent we serve.

Sango's image in stones are not Sango.

Sango is up in the spiritual realm controlling lightening and thunder.

bowing before the Stone is to honor Sango since he cannot be seen.


I watch on the TV yesterday, Sango worshipers dancing, a woman was under Sango's control as she danced around before people came to stop her.

If that was not TV(because such, ceremony is not always open to anybody) I would have seen her start manifesting Sango; Lightening could start bursting out. I have heard of such happen.

Now a common stone cannot possess a human and manifest itself in her to start dancing and talking in a thunderous voice

rabzy: What is now working, is it the leaf they put in their mouth or the 'gbere' abi it is the 'bante' they tie on the waist. When someone uses a broom to touch a goat and the goat died instantly, what kind of science is that.

Even if they are bending the forces of nature, the point is what are they using to bend it, who is helping them to bend it.

Have u seen a barren woman give birth after 29years of marriage?
Or if u haven't seen, have u heard? And do u believe?

jerrymania: very cool pics, makes me want to convert

Ur ancestors would welcome u with love

MEILYN: yes God is the God of mountains, you are correct. But you should know what mountains mean in the bible.

"Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it." (Zechariah 4:7).

"And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth." (Revelation 17:9). what does mountain in the bible mean? It means nations Isaiah 41-14:16. So God is the God of Nations. And not a literal mountain, u do err.

Bull poo, u not using ur intelligence in d right way that's why Orunmila would always take it away from u.

These verses u show are made in poetic parables which aren't literal

U mean to tell me the entire Bible is not literal?

So when the Bible says "Jesus is the living son of God" we shouldnt take it literal?

ubl6: The Quran is the only scripture that makes the following claims:
- It is the direct, verbatim Word of God (6:104; 25:6; etc.)
- It is protected by God from any tampering or interpolation (15:9; 41:42);
- If anyone doubts the Quran is from God, they should produce a work comparable to it (2:23; 11:13; 17:88)
and the Quran:
- contains numerous scientific miracles, none of which contradicts established science.
- is the only Book religious or secular that has been entirely memorized my millions of people around the world.
- is the only Book which has never been revised or changed since it was first compiled fourteen hundred years ago. Since then, millions (if not billions) of identical copies were made.
The Quran was revealed by God to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) from 610 to 632 CE. The first people to whom the Prophet conveyed the message of the Quran were masters of the Arabic language. The Quran challenged its detractors to produce a book like it if they thought the Quran was not from God Almighty (17:88). Later, the challenge was reduced to only 10 chapters (11:13). Finally the Quran’s challenge was to compose a single chapter of equal merit (2:23). The challenge was never met and continues to stand to this day!
"This Quran is not such as can be produced by other than God; on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book- wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds." 10:37
The eloquence and beauty of the Quran, the clarity of its discourse, the power of its message were unsurpassed. In fact, the Quran was the first book in the Arabic language and remains to this day the foundational source of its grammar and morphology.
How then can any sane human being compare this unique Book with the garbage some people post on the Internet

Mr man, I can publish a book and say it's by God, its the pure word of God and whosoever disbelief shall bare the consequence. I can go around preaching give ur life to Olodumare, let's all dafa for Orunmila to guide us through the will of Olodumare.

I can start killing people who defile me and say my God sent me, I can use my juju(advanced science) to perform wat many would call miracles. I can call myself the last prophet of God. I can walk on water and make people walk with me and tell them that God is doing this, just have faith.

I can hide in a cave and come out after 3 days and claim I was being bathed with spiritual knowledge. I can use Ifa to give prophecies.

The problem is that African pagans don't do that, we are sincere and know the truth, tell those who wish to listen and walk away when they reject the truth, it is ur soul that parishes for it cannot develop on lies.


The Koran cannot be more reliable than wat professional religious historians have digged up. The facts are there, the Koran can also be used to drive this facts. A men wrote the Koran, men wrote wat I sent to u- Key word= MEN
u have no proof to discard them except the Koran, whereas they have proof to discard u with the Koran

bigfrancis21: @bold...why do people overhype things and facts unnecessarily? Why won't you confirm facts before spewing them out?

Who gave you a figure of 600BC? You even know what 600BC means? How could Yorubas, who are recent offshoots(about 913 years old), have existed before Christ who died over 2000 years ago? You then went to give the start of the existence of Greek 400AD, or 400 years after the death of Christ, when Greek was one of the languages the bible was written in immediately after the death of Christ.

Research has shown that the Yoruba civilization came into existence from around 1,100AD. That is 1,100 years After the Death of Christ(AD or Anno Domino).

Why are some people just lazy to hit google and make some research for themselves?

The dude was wrong about Greek but not about Yoruba

Yoruba civilization started long before Oduduwa, the date u giving is during Oduduwa's kingship.

Ife had people for thousands of years before Oduduwa.
Ife- the primal dialet of Yoruba language is the oldest in west Africa.

Jakuta: Please do this without insult. It's a forum, just debate. Pls pick no offense and lets learn from each other.

I am scared!!!!
How come you dont see what is related to the topic. Are we not talking of the God of the Hill?

My advise to you is that " You put away criticism when reading an opposite idea to understand the clear intent.

If you have being the bible like this.........I am scared

I have no problem wit u trying to defend wat u have been taught all ur life.
If it was me, I wud discard such.
But u don't come here claiming to know something, when u know nothing.

Your God is the mountain God of canaanland, I have more than enough prove from Hebrew-English dictionary and Bible, while u come here spreading thrash about needing holy spirit to understand something written in English

Lincoln burrows: Nothing to learn bro. U guys are more interested in fighting one God(Jesus). You know deep down that if u believe in African juju, then u can't be called an atheist again. Then it becomes difference in religion and not irreligion.

African juju is not spirits working. Even pagans who deal with this things know it's just normal forces of nature bending to suit u. It's more science than u can imagine.

It's lack of knowledge that causes all these atheist here to say thrash