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NativeBoy: So pagan gods have weaknesses in certain areas. Why worship them?

Yes, El-Shaddai is one of the names of the God of the bible but there are tons of other names as well. Such as Melech Haolam: king of the universe. Also El-Shaddai means God Almighty.

yes pagan gods have restrictions. A mountain God like Yahweh has little power in the thick Forest.

Lol u always make me laugh, all ur knowledge is about Bible, yet u don't even know the Bible properly.

Shaddai(shaddu/shadda) means mountain dweller,
In another close context of the name "Shad" means one of the breast "shadayim" means breasts, which is a sign of fertility

In no way is "Shaddai" meaning Almighty. King James is either a big liar or a man full of erroneous translations.

King of the universe in canaanite spirituality is "El elyon"

You might not know this but Moses taught the Israelis to recognize the "Elohim" as one body. So at times names of other Gods might be attached to El Shaddai

The God who gave the ten commandment is not the creator of the universe.

He gave the law to Israel not Yoruba or Hausa or Igbo

Creating false Gods is what Christianity and Islam did

The Bible is not a dictionary, it cannot determine the meaning on an English word

death seals everybody's fate, when u die u all your experience in life and it's lessons are imprinted into ur soul.

Gombs: Then why did u say we should not go to church on sundays.....? They are Jews....I am a Christian....they read the Torah, I, Bible...they don't believe Jesus is the Messiah....I do etc etc big difference

And I told u there were different types of Sabbath in the OT, which do u want me to keep?
Ur insults were needless...show civility at all times sir!

Jews are ur masters, u serve their God. They know their God Better than u.

Yahweh doesn't have anyson.
Can a mountain give birth to another aspect of nature?

Stop this blasphemy against The Jews and their God.

There is,only the sabbath of Yahweh worship day, which is part of the ten commandments which u Christians hold dear.

Hell is waiting for u. Yahweh would send u there for disobeying his word(the Torah)

Princessaleeza: They can also av there way,bribe d Ifas,Orunmila & odas.

No, Ifa cannot be bribed. Orunmila cannot be bribed either. You know nothing about paganism

[quote author=some-girl]Where were these deities when people who served them were sold, captured and transported in the most horrific conditions to a strange land?
Why didn't they strike the white masters, who castrated, amputated and raped their slaves, dead. I'm certain relatives of the captured would have offered sacrifices and prayed to these gods to be with their loved ones.
Relatives of priests must have been captured as well.
How come no one has seen them "perform" in ways that leave no doubt that it is indeed their work? Not speculation that an illness is from say sango but someone swearing falsely at its temple and being struck down immediately.

Funnily, people who believe/ believed in these deities are the most backward in almost every sense, take Africans, Australian aboriginals and Melasians for example.

Why haven't their "powers" helped Africa become the centre of invention and innovation?

Perhaps fear could cause some leaders to behave but many don't believe in these things.[/quote]Foolish ignorant no-knowledge individual

Where was Yahweh when Israel suffered for 400years in Kemet?
Where was Yahweh when Israel lost everything(including they spiritual knowledge and origin spirituality) in Babylon?
Where was Yahweh when the tribes of Israel scattered around the world running from their unfriutful land, which Yahweh had failed to keep fruitful?
Where was Yahweh when Hitler murdered millions of Jews?

Anybody who believes Yahweh is powerful most be in the group of the most backward people in the world

ZUBY77: I dont trust anything that demands for my soul and that includes orisha

African Gods don't ask for anybody's soul. Na u get ur soul, nobody is after it

peteregwu: why will God not arrest a babalawo, when you people are condemning the pastor and the Lords chosen. God had to arrest him too so that all those people and pastors that used to go to him for powers will no that power belongs to God Himself, and so that others will also believe.

Not that Linda that claimed she died and Jesus entered into her. buhaha..buhaha, God is not the God of the dead but of the leaving. a sinner is the temple of satan and not of the holy spirit.

That man up in the Op is not a Babalawo

Gombs: and who told u Saturday is the seventh day? the roman calendar right?...what if i were in an arabic country, and use the arabic calendar, when should be the 7th day? and study the OT, there were different kinds of sabbath, which are you telling me to keep?


and my God wont burn me in hell, because i chose to worship him on a particular day...my bible said, he seeketh those who will worship him in SPIRIT and TRUTH...not those who will worship him on saturdays

Foolish idiot Sabbath day in Israel is Saturday. It's Saturdays they worship Yahweh.

Afam4eva: No be only you oo...I have never seen an osu in my life or even heard where they've been discriminated against before. I know it exists but in very minute capacity. I think it's exaggerated.

That's because u live outside igboland

NativeBoy: Now that you admit that there are strength comparisons, can you speak to what happens when two cultures go to war against each other? Is the victor the person with the strongest god?

lol I didnt agree anything

The gods would always intervene when u seek them.

lemme use this as an example

Israel and Ekiti(ekiti was a nation back then) are to fight a war
Israel's god is El shaddai(god of mountains and fruitfulness). Ekiti's god is Orunmila(god of wisdom, knowledge and divination)

if Israel stays in an area full of mountains Ekiti is toast but let them leave their territory and fight in plain lands or forest Then Ekiti would gain victory through their intelligent god

dnacrystal: I wonder what concerns an alhaji with the source of chosen church, all things being equal. I refuse to believe that over-zealous members have nothing to do with this.

of course things like this cant be taken seriously. many stage acts on church altars these days

roypcain ur koran is flawed. I have evidence to this its left for u to accept it or live in a lie.

Allah means "The God" - al ilah. He was the chief God of the Arabs. Mohammed only went to the extent of claiming Allah was the only God
Abraham left Allah for El shaddai. El shadai gave him a son at an old age, El shaddai gave him a more fruitful land than his homes in Haran and Ur. These are enough to devote oneself and coming generations to this God.

This is Allah, whom Abraham knew as Naana in his language and traditions from Ur kasdim

#TRUTH

https://www.nairaland.com/1483214/should-read-religions

macof: @ubl6 I went through the web to get this links for u to read carefully http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah http://oracc.museum.upenn.edu/amgg/listofdeities/nannasuen/ http://www.alphanewsdaily.com/Islams%20Allah-TheMoonGod.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah_as_Moon-god http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_religion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur_of_the_Chaldees http://history.stackexchange.com/questions/686/what-was-the-religion-of-the-arabic-people-before-conversion-to-islam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_mythology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amm_(god) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadd

Read these links

Fertile Cresent

*Mesopotamian mythology
Ancient Arabian mythology
Ancient Levantine mythology
Pre-Judaic Arabian gods
Abgal
Aglibol
Al-Qaum
al-Lāt, al-'Ilāhat
Astarte
Atargatis (Syrian)
Atarsamain
Beelshamen
Bēl, Baʕl, Bēl-Šamīn
Bes (Egypto-Arabic)
Dhu'l-Halasa
Dusares, Dhu Sharā'
Ēl, Ilāh (NW Semitic)
Hubal
Ištar, Athtar
Malakbel
Manāt
Manaf
Nabū, Nebo
Nasr
Nergal
Nuha
Orotalt
Ruda
Shams, Samas,
Suwa'
Sin, Naana-Seun
Theandrios
ʕUzzā
Wadd
Ya'uq
Yaghūth
Yarhibol/Malakbel
Yatha

Yoruba can never be extinct, it can only evolve

RandomAfricanAm: (hears silence)
Ok, let me try it another way
.
1.Is the "CHI" suppose to be the "subconscious mind"(I hate that phrase by the way)?
2.Is the "CHI" an abstraction of the notion of luck?
3.Is it both 1 & 2?
4.Under what circumstance would you "call on" your "CHI"?
5.If driving home while sleepy & you said to self "stay awake, just stay awake until I get home." would that be communicating with the "CHI"?


Hopefully that's more straight forward
Thanks

Chi is just like Ori in yoruba. infact it is Ori

so I can explian using yoruba spiritulity
1. yes
2. yes
3. yes
4. every thing that u are to do in ur life should be wat would make ur Ori grow(the growth of Ori, determines the developement of ur Soul|). So its beneficial to call on Ori every secound of ur life.
5. That is Your Ori telling u to stay awake, Its ur subconscious that determines ur conscious. Ur brain(powered by the Soul|) probably doesnt know why it should prevent ur body from going to sleep(since the body is tired and needs rest) but Ori is telling the brain not to sleep.

Mrlouis: my friend.. That does not proove your doctrines

prove which doctrines? ki l'eleyi n so

Italo you are a very big Hypocrite. you do something and get angry that someone else does it to u

typical christian attitude

Why should An African go on Pilgrimage to foreign lands?

why should African muslims go on pilgrimage to mecca?

Why should African christians go on pilgrimage to Jerusalem?

I'll address this with to points:

1. We know that its a muslim tradition which was part of the tradition of the ancient pre-islam Arabs to walk round the kabba and pray to their gods. each person praying to his personal god from the 360gods the kabba was dedicated to.
In today's Islam, Muslims pray to allah one of the 360gods of the kabba. The other gods are ignored.

But why should a non-arab go on pilgrimage for an arab god? allah and other 359gods are arab gods. As a yoruba you have sango, Orunmila, ogun, Osun etc to go on pilgrimage for, not An Arab god. There is a big community in Ile-Ife dedicated to all Orisha, walk into the area and pray to the gods of your ancestors. Why should u ignore Olodumare and any God ur family progenitor worshipped for allah? Are u Arab?


2. pilgrimage is not even part of Christian traditions, African(Nigerian) Christians are just copying the muslims. The head location for christianity is The Vatican City in Italy and Not jerusalem. That is not where christianity started but thats where it ended and was revived again by the Romans. They made some modifications and began to preach with Soldiers. If not for the Vatican City and The Roman heads Christianity could have ended and we wouldnt hear about it today just like No one hears of sabbateans. Jerusalem is not a Christian city, its a jewish City and the people there practices Judaism. Why is a Judaic location, the christian pilgrimage site? Christians woud say it because Jesus lived, preached and died there. Jesus himself was not a Christian (funny right?) He was A JEW. His apostles made the religion and it wasnt even wat it is now, You have no idea wat they Romans have done. But the blame goes to the Apostles because they were the ones that elevated a false messiah.

When Christianity finally took hold in major places of the world, pilgrimage wasnt a thing of discussion. or can any Bible fanatic christian tell me where in the bible non-Jews are suppose to go back to jerusalem. there Bible talks about the return of the lost sheep of Israel but is A yorubaman a lost sheep of Israel? Why should You now be trooping to Israel on Pilgrimage?

"When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep"

Thats Orunmila- God of wisdom and knowledge talking

emotional: @macof.
Thanks bro. What abt that of initiation?

Initiation takes 5-8 years depends on how fast u grab and also Your baba-oluko

I dont know much about Initiation as most Babalawo wouldnt tell u anything, unless u are really smart with the kind of questions u ask them.

The thing is All these pagan knowledge aren't just open to anyone, The little I know about Orunmila and Ifa is because my family is devoted and when they hear my name they tell me more than they would to other people..

I remember asking an Awo-Osun some questions, He probably didnt want to tell me anything because I was a Christian then, apart from the general odo-Osun is a healing river(which I tested) and her being the wife of Sango(which everybody knows). He didnt want to tell me about her role in the Universe, and wat makes the Odo-Osun a healing water.

Joagbaje: Tithes and offerings are eternal principles . They existed before the levitical priest hood.
The kindom of God has many principles. Tithes , offering , alms giving ,fasting , prayer , worship etc. these principles had been there before the law or levitical priesthood.

Christians are not tithing just because the law say so. But rather because it's a principle . If you don't believe in tithing you should not believe in offerings also. Let's worship God with empty hand.

Tithes is a Jewish thing as an African u dont need to pay tithes. And Its so disgusting that u worship a God dat u cannot worship with free will.

You think tithes are so important, and appease Yahweh? burnt sacrifice appeases him more, you should kill rams and read The Torah every sabbath day. that brings me to the sabbath day. You shouldn't go to church on Sundays, Only Saturdays, dont work on saturdays, dont sin, just keep it Holy

Whatever u see in catholism that isnt in other kinds of Christains is because Catholism is superior and The Mother of All others. Another point is that Roman traditions are embedded in Catholicism

ubl6: Sorry friends, I've been away for a while.

LOL. Atleast you did admit "Orunmila was created by Olodumare" It doesn't matter who/what created Orunmila. In as much as your god is a created entity like you, it doesn't deserve anyone's worship.


1. my ancestors never bothered about the shape of the earth, I have never come across any yoruba phylosophy about the shape of the earth, All they told is that the dry lands of earth started from one place. The koran however says the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth, resting in a spring water every nightso going by ur the first bolded the koran might be wrong about God if it cant even understand the earth and the sun.
Bring up the verses of the Quran.

@ubl6 I went through the web to get this links for u to read carefully http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Sin_(mythology) http://oracc.museum.upenn .edu/amgg/listofdeities /nannasuen/ http://www.alphanewsd aily.com/Islam's%20Allah-TheMoonGod.html http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Allah_as_Moon-g od http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Assyrian_religion http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Abraham http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Ur_of_the_Chalde es http://history.stackexc hange.com/questions /686/what-was-the- religion-of-the- arabic-people-before- conversion-to-islam
I practically copied all the sites I saw. I am in such a hurry
All these are no proofs at all. Anybody can write and post whatever they like in the web pages including Wikipedia.

Orunmila doesnt ask anybody to worship him, Olodumare is father doesnt ask anybody for worship either. Humans are free willed we can do wat eva we like on earth, baring in mind the damage and growth it could cause to our Ori and Our Destiny.

This life is like a School to learn through our experiences on earth and develope our Souls

the Koran is NO proof at all. Anybody can write and print whatever they like and compile them as holy books

emotional: Thanks.
Orunmila/Ifa, requires(animal) sacrifices, right? Is Ikin/Opele also d receptor of d blood? (Where d blood is sprinkled)

Initiation, scenario where d initiates is absent while d parents are present,how possible?

Divination through phone, your view?

Orunmila doesn't ask for Sacrifice. He prescribes the sacrifice to give other Orisha for various needs people might have.

No Ikin and Opele are purely Divination tools, Orunmila doesnt even like Blood

yes Divination through phone. I once read an article here on NL, the clients might be far away and speak to the babalawo on phone telling him of their problems and the babalawo would ask Ifa on their behalf and relate the best interpretation back to the clients on Phone

I already downloaded the driod vpn. next thing is to root my phone but trying to root this thing since NO LUCK markfaleye@yahoo.com

rabzy: You are just a jester and are for a certainty not a muslim, no muslim derides Jesus or any of the prophets on whom salawat is said. Many of the 'atrocities' you are citing were 'committed' by people that were honoured in the quran and as many of you say were muslims.

So musims are ur friendly next door neighbours

NativeBoy: Still the point remains that you and FOLYKAZE stand corrected that there are strength comparisons in pagan traditions. Otherwise, how did Cronos defeat Uranus and how did Zeus defeat Cronos?

Everybody stands corrected. No one knows ALL

but u know so little

FOLYKAZE: And how is the verse you quoted relating to paul and not holy spirit? Why are you contradicting yourself?

The guy reads his bible but the Holy spirit is too useless and impotent to make him understand anything. thats wat u get for letting an unseen spirit think for u

noblefada: Guess you miss the part about been ACCUSED OF . Meaning the next time an unbeliever accuses a xtian of believing in fairy tales and sky daddy, I'll just smile to my self knowing we're not the only ones who do.

Guy u seem not to understand ur religion

new paparazzi: That blind evolution is false. creation is real. Have you ever seen a house that rose up from the ground without anybody building it? your answer to that will help you a lot to know that man must be created. He can not evolve from monkey.

You are still living in the world the Bible has created in ur mind

NativeBoy: According to Greek tradition, the titans gave birth to the gods. In fact in those other traditions, those deities were material beings, they had origins. And since you equated Yoruba deity with those deities, then Yoruba deities were also created beings yes?

Another point, if you say that there is no strength comparisons within pagan traditions, how was Zeus able to defeat Cronos his father who was a Titan?

Titans were Given birth to by The God Uranus And Gaia

Uranus is believed to be the supreme God in Greek paganism. He however is lost in the sky and has low consciousness, that is why Zeus(Grandson of Uranus) was regarded as king of the gods

Zeus was able to defeat Cronus with the help of the Cyclops and also Gaia(The force of mother nature, comprises all nature forces)

noblefada: very funny, but at least I know it more than any atheist can ever claim to know it. If not anything thing I've achieved from my discuss with atheists is that I now know we are not the only ones that believe in fairy tales and live in denials as we are most often accused of.

Good for u to claim the bold. The Bible is a whole load of fairy tale