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All you muslims saying Jesus was a messenger of Allah is a big lie or big error by Mohammed.

Israel doesn't serve Allah(moon god of arabia) they serve Yahweh(mountain god of canaanland).

Jesus knows no Allah

iamdsam: All languages in Nigeria would go extinct. It's just that some would take more time to go extinct e.g Ibo, Yoruba and Hausa. My language Urhobo is already going on extinction. Most of my fellow youths who are Urhobo don't know how to speak Urhobo and they hate to here someone speaking it and also laugh at the person most times saying the person is a ''village master''. Most of our parents don't teach their children the local dialect by speaking it at home. They either speak English or Pidgin to their wards. Inter ethnic marriages ain't also helping matters. Couples from two different ethnic groups with different languages must communicate in a language both understand and that they'll also teach their wards. Languages going into extinction in Nigeria is inevitable. But would this bound Nigeria the more? I think so. Do you think so?

1. My daughters ain't marrying any non-Yoruba

2. I'll do anything to preserve the language I was born with

3. My kids shall not only speak but shall write perfect Yoruba language

Nimen: The truth be say... All these countries adopted a language (one of their languages) to be their chief Language... Portugal- Portuguese, Chinese - Mandarin, UK - English, US - English, Germany - German. So which Nigerian Language should we use and dump others? I wouldn't want my language to be dumped so do you, so let's co-exist for now and try hard to preserve our language till they go extinct or evolve, cos' all of them will certainly go extinct or evolve

As long as Nigeria remains, all these languages are in danger.

But imagine Igbo and possibly calabar in one country. The two languages would fuse words together over time, Its much easier to preserve the languages and get more internationally recognized.

EBK2: Keep keeping it then. Most won't care and they are already showing it. No need saying I lack sense. That's not very civil.

It's because u lack sense, I won't hid the truth from u because I don't want to offend.

How can a sensible human say "drop ur indigenous language, learn internationally recognized ones because it's gonna help u plan for the future"?

Over 35million Yoruba people speak Yoruba fluently, and they won't stop for anything or anybody.

chukwudi44: The dangers of private listing of scriptures can never be over emphasized!! Marcion was the first person to create a canon in christiandom when he in the second century created is own canon excluding the entire books of the OT,other apostolic writings besides that of paul and edited the gospel of luke to create his own Gospel of marcion.He was subsequently excommunicated by the catholic church for his heretic beleifs.

Other Catholic church fathers like Origen,Athanasius etc later tried to list out books they think should constitute the canon.it is noteworthy to observe that these private lists were contradicting themselves and could not really agree on the canon.This individual canons are not in use by any church in existence today

A church council was subsequently called in hippo to decide the books of the bible in 393CE.it was here that the 73 books of the catholic bible were firtst selected.This decisions were later ratified by the councils of carthage 397CE and 419CE and the council of trent in 1546.This four church councils agreed amongst themselves while private listing of scriptures by differant people contradicted themselves.We can not allow people ro start chosing scriptures as that would amount to anarchy.

The same canon produced @ hippo and carthage in the fourt and fifth centuries is exactly what was adopted @ trent in 1546.

Origen canon see link here

http://www.ntcanon.org/Origen.shtml

The compilation of the book of men
Some Christians actually think holy spirit inspired this

harbiola1: Clap for urself! and what lessons am i suppose to learn from this? I'll only appreciate ur effort if u can post the history of Olodumare. those dudes were human beings like myself only with different generation.

Allah has also been personified,all gods/nature forces have been personified to boost understanding, however where there's understanding for many, people like u get confusion.

Esu would release u from confusion soon, just open up to him.

History of Olodumare is beyond any man or Orisha. Olodumare is the ultimate force of all energy. He is the source of energy, he is pure energy.

If u know science, energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only change from one form to another. His conscious change in form birthed Awon Orisa

Lightning and thunder is caused by the conscious movements of Sango

tornado and storms are caused by the conscious movements of Oya

Flooding are done by the conscious movements of Olokun or Yemoja

Fire outbreak is Sango

Anything iron is Ogun

All these are elements of nature and aspects of universal living which Olodumare has created the Orisha to control.

Olodumare is the essence of the existence of anything and everything, he owns all Ase(energy), and he uses this Ase to form things.

When Obatala was about to create dry land, he took permission from Olodumare because no change can be done to the universe without his authority(Also Ase)

When Esu tempts, he takes permission from Olodumare to punish or bless depending on the result of the tempting.
Olodumare is not a chief of the gods, Obatala is. Olodumare is only their father.

etochi11: oga abeg. Am interested. Here is my mail Uetochi@yahoo.com or my bb pin24C81E0A. Tnks

Bros abeg am also interested as u.
Bros beef my mail is markfaleye@yahoo.com

Jakuta: I have being patiently following religious threads on Nairaland. What I have seen is the inability to decodes/understands some proverbial/descriptive words used int he bible.
You need to know that bible is written in a proverbial/ narrative/ descriptive and personified manner. That is why you need the holy spirit to put you through when reading the bible. god will open your understanding for you to understand the scripture (Lk 24 vs 44-45). Ask (matt 7V7).

Bible is not literature or for the immature, you surely needed a guide in one way at one time if not many.

God of the Mountains:
This is not supposed to mean a God who resides in a mountain but don't you think a God who is above all other gods. As we know nothing is higher than a mountain. Then he can never be a God of the valley. mba!!

Take Heb 4 vs 12 for more detail,

(12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.)

Does this means that the word that comes from God's mouth will injure your soul and spirit? Or what will a sword do to a soul other harm?
The word of God can and will not harm you (if you believe for it is life and truth).

Friends wake up.
Read not bible word for words but understand what the message is all about. If you should spend all this time you have spent criticizing on to understanding, guys you would have gone far with God.


SHALOM.

Shut up. You claim to have the holy spirit auto interpreter to help understand an already interpreted book.

why not show the power of ur holy spirit by reading the Bible in it's origin Hebrew and new testament in its Greek. Let's see the holy spirit at work.

U come here as if u know anything, saying u need holy spirit to think for u because the human brain is dead abi?

Best way to read a book is to read to understand and read unbiased not waiting for an impotent holy spirit to read a book for u.

If there's nothing I can't derive from the Bible with Intelligence and understanding, then there's nothing u can get through the unseen holy spirit

EBK2: There is hope then! The trend is good for Nigeria. That means future generations will know only one language and that will reduce the ethnic divisions that have destroyed Nigeria over the years.

Ethnic division has destroyed Nigeria was Nigeria not a land area of different ethnic groups from the beginning?

U think Nigeria is a country of same people, same culture, same language

U lack sense, u think if Spain,Portugal and France had been merged by force their languages would be known?

U mentioned Irish not knowing their language, I know a woman from Celtic who wishes she could speak her language over English.

There's pride in self independence and knowledge of personal identity.

I can never give up Yoruba, because generations to come would wish I kept it strong for them

Solozzo: The bible is a collection of coverless books, most of which we're authored by unknown persons and no titles to the books. The books included in the so called canon, were the ones that met the agenda and beliefs of the catholic and Protestant churches. Simple.

Now to the topic. How did the Catholic Church know that the bones in their care are really those of St. Peter? Was the first bishop of Rome really the St. Peter of the gospels?

Am not sure either, I've been thinking about it and it's probably made up. Paul seems more fitting to have been the first catholic church head. apostolic church was headed by Peter until Paul came and started preaching to non-Jews

ghostofsparta: ^ there are lots of factors causing it. But mostly is after effect of colonialism and our continuous denigration of anything relating to our indigenous religion ancestral believe system.

Yes anything just to discard and disregard the ancestral spirituality

harbiola1: Then who were they? who were Ogun, Sango, Orunmila...? how did u know their sex? how did u mould their sculpture? there is nothing like god or goddess, they were human beings u guys only turned them to something else.

Mr abiola, Orunmila is ur friend and he is ready to release u from this ur state of limited knowledge.

Ogun was a Great blacksmith and hunter who lived in Idanre, he loved wearing palm skirts and always walked with his cutlass.
This man showed Great example for the force of Metal, War and brute strength. His name began to be used as the name for this conscious force of Iron, war, justice and brute strength

Alaafin Oba Sango Olukoso, was the 3rd king of Oyo, he showed unmatched intelligence and strength that brought fear into all around him. When he died his name began to be honored as the name for the conscious force of lightening, thunder and fire.

Orunmila was a wise man who lived in Ife thousands of years ago, he had 16sons and was the first man to figure out the secrets of Ifa. He is regarded as the first Ifa priest. When he died in Modern Ekiti lands, His name began to be honored as the name for the conscious force intelligence, wisdom, understanding and also of Ifa. His name is interchangeable between Ifa and Orunmila.

tensor777: And then what is the position of Cuba today?. Are they not backward? That a few Cubans speak a form of Yoruba/Bini is of no importance or relevance to this discussion.

You make such a stupid comment. Who placed Cuba backward? Wat do u knw about Cuba? Cuba is a very fun place, corruption and thuggery is high but they really cool and intelligent individuals.

mystical10: everytin is not in bible some are remove. Go and read abt translation of bible and co, u will see that catholics are the orignator of bible, whenever i see ppl talking tht catholic dnt read bible i laugh

Don't mind them they have no idea that catholics own the Bible and all doctrines in catholism that are diff. From others is because the Romans love their culture and traditions, even when they made catholism. It's still The best and longest standing Christian denomination

Radoillo: Samuel Johnson's "History of the Yorubas". Footnote on page 43:



But no one is suggesting it still happens today.

Samuel Johnson's books are an unreliable source of Yoruba history. That man was deluded

NativeBoy: You accuse me of ignoring the text. Perhaps you could reread the first paragraph. Pay attention to the word "conventionally translated". Then read the second paragraph where it says el Shaddai meaning the god of the mountains is a THEORY, one that has been WEAKENED.

A person who is Hebrew says Shaddai means mountain, King James who doesn't said it means almighty.

And some humans believe, sorry for them sha

bigfrancis21: Ok. That's fine. I believe more people should tow your line.

@bold...don't misquote me. The people you chat with learnt it on their own. To them, its a second language. But you shouldn't generalize it to mean all Cubans speak Yoruba, which you know isn't the case. I speak a bit of Spanish and can communicate with a spanish-speaking person to an extent. I have about 4 friends of mine who are spanish crazy, who speak and write good spanish. The spanish-speaking foreigner at the other end of the world will make the fallacy of generalization if he generalizes that Nigerians speak spanish just because 'he knows 5/6 Nigerians who he chats with in Spanish'.

Mr man u are the one mis-understanding me. I never said all of Cuba speaks Yoruba,

All of Nigeria doesn't speak English

All I said is I chat with Cubans in Yoruba language, most of them claim to be lukumi tribe of ethnic ancient Oyo, and still speak the language not only in prayer but in communication

ngozievergreen: Which Google can be viewed in Yoruba?
ngwa, click the Yoruba highlight in Google and tell me whether u will see anything.
All these fake excitement u ppl are exhibiting on this thread sef.

I admit it needs improvement, only a few links in Yoruba are shown.

Inyanga: Efik & Ibibio (Calabar) can never be an extinct, it can only evolve

maybe the two can merge and evolve together

NativeBoy: And it came to pass, when Jabin king of Hazor heard these things, that he sent to Jobab king of Madon, to the king of Shimron, to the king of Achshaph, and to the kings who were from the north, in the mountains, in the plain south of Chinneroth, in the lowland, and in the heights of Dor on the west, to the Canaanites in the east and in the west, the Amorite, the Hittite, the Perizzite, the Jebusite in the mountains, and the Hivite below Hermon in the land of Mizpah. So they went out, they and all their armies with them, as many people as the sand that is on the seashore in multitude, with very many horses and chariots. And when all these kings had met together, they came and camped together at the waters of Merom to fight against Israel. But the Lord said to Joshua, “Do not be afraid because of them, for tomorrow about this time I will deliver all of them slain before Israel. You shall hamstring their horses and burn their chariots with fire.” So Joshua and all the people of war with him came against them suddenly by the waters of Merom, and they attacked them. Thus Joshua took all this land: the mountain country, all the South, all the land of Goshen, the lowland, and the Jordan plain—the mountains of Israel and its lowlands, from Mount Halak and the ascent to Seir, even as far as Baal Gad in the Valley of Lebanon below Mount Hermon. He captured all their kings, and struck them down and killed them. (Joshua 11:1-7, 16, 17 NKJV).

They took the mountains, lowlands, plains, valleys, etc.

But the children of Joseph said, “The mountain country is not enough for us; and all the Canaanites who dwell in the land of the valley have chariots of iron, both those who are of Beth Shean and its towns and those who are of the Valley of Jezreel.” And Joshua spoke to the house of Joseph—to Ephraim and Manasseh—saying, “You are a great people and have great power; you shall not have only one lot, but the mountain country shall be yours. Although it is wooded, you shall cut it down, and its farthest extent shall be yours; for you shall drive out the Canaanites, though they have iron chariots and are strong.” (Joshua 17:16-18 NKJV)

They were not confident because of the chariots of iron. Your statement is false.

You go on to cite Judges 2:9. I don't know what point you are making by pointing out where Joshua was buried.

I cited Judges 2:1-4.
Then the Angel of the Lord came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said: “I led you up from Egypt and brought you to the land of which I swore to your fathers; and I said, ‘I will never break My covenant with you. And you shall make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land; you shall tear down their altars.’ But you have not obeyed My voice. Why have you done this? Therefore I also said, ‘I will not drive them out before you; but they shall be thorns in your side, and their gods shall be a snare to you.’ ” So it was, when the Angel of the Lord spoke these words to all the children of Israel, that the people lifted up their voices and wept. (Judges 2:1-4 NKJV)

This is as clear as it can get.

As I have said before u need Orunmila to guide u into knowledge and understanding. Because u lack both of those

bring up more verse. I have already dealt with this one, Israel's God is weak outside mountain areas

NativeBoy: Hahahaha. You're too much friend.

Everything you mentioned: chronology, historicity, numbers and logistics, we can assess their accuracy based on archaeological findings. That is how we know what we know of the ancient world: archaeology.

In any case, here is what you asked for. Straight from Wikipedia I should add:

El Shaddai (Hebrew: אל שדי‎, IPA: [el ʃadːaj]) is one of the Judaic names of God, with its etymology coming from the influence of the Ugaritic religion upon modern Judaism. Shaddai was one of the many Gods in Canaanite religion. El Shaddai is conventionally translated as God Almighty. While the translation of El as "god" in Ugarit/Canaanite language is straightforward, the literal meaning of Shaddai is the subject of debate.

[b]Another theory is that Shaddai is a derivation of a Semitic stem that appears in the Akkadian shadû ("mountain" and shaddā`û or shaddû`a ("mountain-dweller", one of the names of Amurru. This theory was popularized by W. F. Albright[citation needed] but was somewhat weakened when it was noticed[by whom?] that the doubling of the medial d is first documented only in the Neo-Assyrian period. However, the doubling in Hebrew might possibly be secondary. According to this theory, God is seen as inhabiting a mythical holy mountain, a concept not unknown in ancient West Asian mythology (see El), and also evident in the Syriac Christian writings of Ephrem the Syrian, who places Eden on an inaccessible mountaintop.

The term may mean "God of the mountains," referring to the Mesopotamian divine mountain.[3] The term was one of the patriarchal names for the tribal god of the Mesopotamians.[3] In Exodus 6:3, El Shaddai is identified explicitly with the God of Abraham and with YHWH.[3] The term appears chiefly in the Torah. This could also refer to the Israelite camp's stay at Mount Sinai where God gave Moses the Ten Commandments.[/b]

I hope this should suffice.

You saw the bolded but choose to ignore it. Your lack of intelligence is glaring. You need help from Orunmila.

Seek him in prayer

six one: the difference is Jesus rose from the dead and peter didn't. try use ur head and not ur bottom to think.

My grand father also rose from the dead

oluboyo04: they are alive but are not permitted to pray for anyone. the same reason Abraham was nt permitted to help the richman's family in the story of lazarus and the richman. Only JESUS is the mediator between God and man

That parable was not literal

yousee: Yea, it can only evolve into ENGLISH!

ode osi
English is already a language.

bigfrancis21: You do realize the language translators for the Yoruba pages are Yorubas right?

Also, how many Yorubas while on the internet would rather ignore the English articles and read the Yoruba articles?

And you do realize that many Yorubas are educated such that when presented with two articles in English and Yoruba, many would prefer to read the English article? Same with other educated Nigerians from other tribes?

I prefer to read in Yoruba, I once had a free 30days Yoruba keyboard, I always typed in Yoruba. If I can thousands who love the Yoruba language would too.

And to ur posts about cubans not speaking Yoruba. Maybe u don't know any Cuban santero. I chat wit them in Yoruba.

wickyyolo: Things change. Always expect that change. I want to marry a yoruba girl and my children will speak only english and other international languages. I want to raise world class citizens.

I can't let my daughter marry a non-Yoruba, or a Yoruba that can't speak Yoruba. I might even consider not marring her to a Yoruba abrahamic

Afam4eva: You're wrong. Why don't you tell me why most International media outfits have Hausa as one of their broadcast language but not Yoruba or Igbo. Don't push it. Hausa is more widely spoken and more widely recognized.

Dude Imac has Yoruba keyboard format, wikipedia has hundreds of pages in Yoruba option. Google can be viewed in Yoruba

Johnikowyi: Keep insulting papa when people have been blessed financially by him

And also taken financially from people

children of the waters are like fishes. This mermaid thing could be a myth anyway. if I see one, tho I would probably jump and run away, I would believe

ayoku777: The dead can't pray for you. Only Christ can pray for you. Not only is He the risen Christ, He is also the ONLY mediator between God and man. 1Tim 2v5 -For there is one God, and ONE MEDIATOR between God and men, the man CHRIST JESUS.

God bless.

Wats d difference between Jesus and Peter? they're both dead, if Peter can't pray for us, Jesus can't either.
If Jesus can, Peter can as well as my grand father

Divepen it was difficult to understand ur posts but it seems u accuse the pagans of not saving the supreme God.

Well I won't play defense, I would play on the offense.

Yahweh ur God is a mountain God, and not the supreme God.
I can never claim Orunmila to be Olodumare, but here u Jewish minded folks claiming Yahweh to be El Elyon
www.nairaland.com/1508769/christians-god-idol-hills

Lies in this thread.

Orunmila is not a prophet. He is a god, Orisha fun Ogbon, Imo ati Oye, ikeji Olorun, eleri-ipin, amo awo aye.

He knows all, he is the second after Olorun.

Orunmila is not restricted to Yoruba, but the whole universe. He is the personification of knowledge and wisdom. He was there at the beginning, and knows all to infinity. He is Olodumare's favorite child, and through him All pagans(not only Yoruba) have known spirituality.

The name Orunmila is only given to the conscious force of intelligence, that doesn't mean he is a dead man that is worshipped. Other traditions have a different name for him, also have a different personification for him.


Abiola(not Harbiola) you are muslim not pagan, and u do not understand paganism, if u do u cannot remain a muslim.

Ur Allah is also not wat it seems. He was once a pagan god. And if u read about the pre-Islam Arabic spirituality you would know this.

www.nairaland.com/1483214/should-read-religions

Let's discuss here ^^^