₦airaland Forum

Obalufon:
you lack C'mon sense your brain is caged you can't think out of the box, i don't blame you, you are only reflecting on the history you were taught anything contrary to that you will take offense ..You are pig head.

Sums up everything that is wrong with you

You guys use your wild imagination steeped in inferiority complex and Hebrew worship calling it "thinking outside the box" so all common sense is thrown out the window without any need for consistency with historical facts

History as a discipline doesn't function that way, history is the study of the record of past events and relies heavily on methodologies and sources... History is not the creation of stories
It might appear like mere story telling but history is not so.
Therefore historians do not invent stories, they are not creative story tellers

Olu317:
Smiles. Ba me, I am 100% not perturb by his view on me because I am Oma Ela,which is supreme religion. Obviously he is not an initiate because an initiate is always careful with utterance or view been shared. The guy failed to realise that an Awo doesnt think death or evil on an Awo, ‘Awo ki ro iku si awo' abe le ta ogberi. Ile ba oma ki ba oma li eru. O di odi

Let me quickly ask you to google ‘baba' and its meaning as well as its origin so that you will be shocked that Oyibos don't believe yoruba are Africans because the word is not an African word. Even Ba is not too,which is the ancient and dialectal Yoruba word for father or lord of the family.

Less I forget, you have not posted the Opa Ogun that you promised me ,which is near the market square. Sincerely I need it as part of my research work of ancient Yoruba outside Nigeria.



Cheers

Wait! Did I read right?
You are now claiming to be an Awo

Wonders shall never end
You people sha want to scatter this Yorùbáland

Obalufon:
Olu don't mind that meat head macof.. ..Olu you are 100% on point

oh, another slowpoke. i even thought you were a healthy human being before entertaining your personal questions. Obviously it is you and your jobless band of hebrew wannabes you are reffering
afterall it takes people who have a problem in the head to even imagine the yorubas as hebrews

Obalufon:
macof are you historian? what state are you from ?

yes i am
Ekiti

Olu317:
Islam didn't come to Yoruba land before Christianity but Coptic Christian arrived as the present dsy Yoruba. And 18 century Christianity didn't expose Yoruba to the Ancient Hebrew God called Ella. The same name as Yoruba's God called Ela.The English language translated the Latin-Roma-,Greek Bible to her language, which was foreign. Ela is Coptic christain's Hebrew religion, ancient name of the God of Hebrew that became combined as Old and New testament, which the English called Eli in the Bible. Plainly, ‘Ella' and not ‘Eli' is the name of Ancient Hebrew's God.

As at today,there is research which is unreleased journal from a renown female professor in Harvard University, who specialise on Yoruba Art and history. This renown professor will soon come out with her journal on the Coptic Christian history before 12000AD in West Africa.

Mad man
Go and seek cure
History is not your calling, your unemployment is no excuse self proclaim yourself a historian
It is obvious you have no understanding of historical methodologies or any respect for historical consistency

nlPoster:
Ara means, friends, associates, etc.

Smh. That's your own problem

EmptyCoconutHead:
Macof what's your input on this?

Of course the poster you quoted was right.
Even in the bible, yahweh was afraid of an army who had chariots of iron (Ogun)

Although yahweh in the ancient middle eastern canaanite culture is like our òrìṣà òkè
But these Jews just elevated their local deity to the level of supreme deity
Each deity has its domain and power point

It seems Sango is here working

StaffofOrayan:
Pray for those that persecute you!
Sounds like something a colonizer would say to the colonized.
I have always been a fan of the old testament,

old testament promotes Jewish hegemony with the ridiculous idea of Jewish superiority as "chosen people" and their ways as the "good way" or godly way

Both testaments are shiit

Afonjacoward:
Freeze has always been a fool no doubt about that.
A man that can't keep a family is going around having sexual inter course with a woman whom he has not paid her dowry.
You are here quoting the Bible as if you obey every word in the Bible.
Yeye freezer like you.

So your Bible should not be quoted since nobody obeys every word of it?

Confused people

ivandragon:
If you took time to read my comment, you would note that I wrote, "... origin of the name..." & Not origin of the people or tribe...

It's just like someone giving you a nickname based on certain characteristics which you may or may not possess & soon after, every one starts using that name to identify you. It doesn't mean the nickname is your name or that you are automatically biologically related to the person that called you by the name...

noted

Osagyefo98:
Why do you guys always deviate from real issues.

Must you guys drag everybody into una mess?

What can be done to Appease you guys in this country, to love others , understand and work in line with others?

What exactly?

shut the hell up. Why is the Yoruba case so important to you? When none of the major ethnicities in Nigeria have a meaning for their name in their language?

You are a snake, so stop pretending

ivandragon:
It is clear that there is a strong link/association between the origins of the name Yoruba & the syro-arabian language as evidenced by Prof's reference to the relations between the indigenous people & those in the upper Sudan...

Regardless of this link/association, it is infantile for people to turn it into a derogatory ethnic debate.

Contact doesn't mean origin

Yorubas had contact with these people not that we originate from their culture

Armaggedon:
The lengthy article proves nothing except what FFK said.

How can a professor write an article so shallow without evidence. this goes to prove how emotional Yoruba's can be.

so what evidence did FFK provide?

And in an essay, references are enough. The article has at least 3 sourced references. You can follow up on the references

How on earth did Nigerians become this dull??

Osagyefo98:
I read every piece there but at the end no meaning to the word Yoruba as stated by FFk in his own submission.

Guess FFk is more sound and point blessed in his research.

. Are you this gullible?

So if a mad man tells you 126 + 563 = 308
You will take it as such because he gave an answer?

Btw, Prof. Akintoye gave clear hints at the origin of the name (he also gave a theory as to its etymology in the full article) ...if that's not enough for you, you can go to Mali and ask them

Why not worry yourself about the words used to call your ethnicity like this?

Osagyefo98:
Prof Akintoye was just beating around the bush.

Let him tell us the exact meaning of yoruba, and the reason no names was linked to yoruba as been historic.

Telling us you answering the name since 1300 and this people call you this and later call you that is just Nonsense.

He wasn't beating around the Bush. He gave an essay not a twitter post
You read too much twitter posts and so used to short statements that you call an essay beating around the Bush

Prof. Banji put this in such a way that students of history can make reference to for academic purposes
He even started the essay with the words "I cannot participate in the flippant levels of the debate" Prof. Banji cannot come down to your level or that of FFK
The Op also doesn't give the complete essay where he mentioned the tracing of the name "Yoruba" to "Joliba" which here could be in describing the Yoruba people as people who come from the river Niger

gregyboy:
You need a dna for that

I say there's none. There's every reason to believe most southern Nigerian people cannot be distinguished by their genome

gregyboy:
You forgot to add that even the core easterners still practise the igue festival

Obi of onitscha migrated from one of the anioma town to the present anambra state were he took along the anioma culture which was similar to the edos and not the way you are telling it there
The ikweres also are igbos who also migrated fron anioma towns to presents river state...the bottim line is before the over mifration benin had already had influence over all anioma towns before migration way commerced....
And you cant neglect the fact that the Benin's didnt migrate over to anioma towns
Benins who migrated to anioma towns were few and the aniomas can't be called igbos because genetically they are already mixed....

Genetically? What is the genetic difference between Bini and Igbo?

nairalandposter:
Omo Baba Lowo is my father or grandfather/ancestors are/were in or from Owo town.

Omo baba Olowo can also refer to youth.

I don't know why but if you can't speak yoruba you just calm down and stop looking for arguments

ọwọ is a totally different word from owo

Notice the dots beneath the "o" making it a different alphabet

ọmọ baba ọlọwọ is not the same as ọmọ baba olowo

Dont disturb me with this thrash again please

nairalandposter:
The name is Yoruba, some Edos have Yoruba names.

Davido himself has the appelation "Omo baba Olowo" which could mean either I have a rich father or My father is from Owo town. Owo could also mean honour .

https://www.nairaland.com/4129381/davido-wish-mum-alive-see/3

Omo baba olowo can never mean "my father is from owo town"

I don't have yoruba keypad at the moment but money and Owo(town) are two differently spelled words in proper yoruba

CeterisXVII:
Imade was named after Davido's late mum. Her native name was Imade. Her full name was Victoria Imade Adeleke. She was from Edo state.

oh yes you are right. I remember this

ctleurocollege:
All Davidos children answer Yoruba names, if this one is answering Igbo name then he's an outcast

I thought his daughter with Momodu has an Edoid name
Imade
Btw this new baby has a yoruba name too

But is this really an issue though? Why call the child an outcast?

babasolution:
ur funny,this is back in the days,they were rich by default compared to the blacks in the pictures,think man,reason well,use ur brain

so you describe a poor man as rich out of comparison with pooper people?

babasolution:
its a rich man thing,the colonial masters were rich and these particular blacks were very poor thats why they had their way,not because they were white,i am sure there are pictures of rich blacks doing and getting the same privilages,no black here should feel inferior

What you said here makes no sense.

What is rich about any of the white men in the pictures?

candidtalk:
Another emotional Yoruba and likely hater of Tinubu. Was Awolowo that Akintoye is touted a replacement for a historian or scholar alone or a sagacious political leader who sought political office to use to transform the fortunes of the Yorubas? Look at other region too. Buhari is regarded father of the North. Is he a school teacher or Political leader? Buhari's name alone made some Governor of Northern States !!!! Who knows Akintoye?

What of Ojukwu? Why is he viewed the greatest leader of Igbos in the modern age? Because he wrote journals or because he tried to lead from the front and through political self-determination? Not even a fan of Nnamdi Kanu but I am intelligent enough to know it is his kind a people will follow and queue behind and not a Professor or academic. Igboland is short of academics when many from the region decided to install Kanu a leader of influence and not the thousands of super scholars the region has in its rank today?

Tinubu led us to influence at the centre. We should now dump that to follow Akintoye? The leader of a people gives them direction and fight battles on their behalf to secure their progress in a competitive world. Check history to see the leaders of a people have usually being warriors and men of influence like Winston Churchill, Fidel Castro, Kwame Nkrumah, Thomas Sankara, Ataturk (called the father of Turkey) et al who lead from the front and not intellectuals like Wole Soyinka, Chinua Achebe or Akintoye.

Where was Akintoye, 84, when the much Younger Tinubu, Fayemi and even Dele Momodu (with a lot more to lose) were fighting Abacha who was seeking to dismember his Yoruba ethnic group? Even Momodu is more worthy in my understanding of a leader of a people than Akintoye who is no doubt a distinguished scholar but not much else.

You can choose an apolitical scholar your own leader but you don't know more than most Yorubas who accept Tinubu as the foremost Yoruba leader of influence today even if some arrogant and envious men want to force Akintoye on Yorubas. The day Akintoye can influence the emergence of an Osinbajo or support the finest Yoruba leaders into influential offices across Yoruba land, to aid our progress as a people, then we can talk. We are not merely just looking for a historian to lead us. Get that distinction right to understand why Jagaban is popular among the people but not the envious, arrogant and impotent leaders of Afenifere et al.

It is no new thing to use social media to try to belittle people who are not your mates so I'm not surprised at your comments about the Emeritus Professor and new Yoruba leader
Nor is it news that mediocrity is embellished in Nigeria. But the sttupid thing is the downplaying of Wole Soyinka 's intellectualism and political activism or Akintoye's vocal political activities since his time as a senator of the second republic or downplaying his contribution to the celebration and knowledge base of the Yoruba nation... He has been invited all of the world and all over Yorubaland to political and cultural meetings in the aim to move the Yoruba nation forward... How many has Tinubu contributed to?
Kwame Nkrumah was an intellectual, so was Awolowo. In earlier years after independence from European powers, African states produced leaders of intellectual personality. So what nonsense are you saying?
Is it the Rubbish administration and lack of insight and foresight of a person like Buhari that is your model way to run a government or lead a people? Or the use of thugs and 5,000 naira giveaway that is your model of good leadership for Yorubas? Or a person of questionable history and allegations of drug trafficking?
Mention one controversy surrounding Akintoye or one point asides the ridiculous call of "unpopularism"
And let me address this. If he was unknown he wouldn't have remained relavant and active all these years... It is his disdain for talking too much or talking Rubbish or engaging in unhealthy attention seeking gimmicks like many we know that make him not appear on the news every week.. He is not a bobrisky or Dino melaye type politician and certainly not a Mafia Godfather type like Tinubu
But he has the quality Yoruba were looking for in a leader and Yoruba organizations met to elect him.
If he was to be a party candidate, you will say he is partisan. Now for years he has been active in the inner logistics and planning for the development of the Yoruba... Yet you say he is not a party candidate and cannot win election, who ever said he was interested in running for any election again? He did that in the second republic and realized the unhealthy nature of the scene..

I won't say more than this, it is not on nairaland I will be discussing sensitive Yoruba issues
Those of us who are working for the development of the Yoruba nation know what we must do... Traitors and infiltrators will also do what they must do which is to further frustrate the Yoruba agenda but they will fail
Oodua a gbe wa oo

Akanbiedu:
Imagine the rubbish you wrote here.

Can you imagine this rubbish? Professor, Yoruba history, immense love, Awoist, and restructuring bla bla the question is what is his antecedence in leading a people, can you tell us? Has he ever won any election Like Awolowo did? So people should follow an unknown entity because of immense love for Yoruba nation? Wetin person no go read from these emotional cretins.

Na Fulaniphobia go kill you people.

candidtalk Tinubu is now a Nigerian Leader, he doesn't need to be called Yoruba leader abeg, he has grown past that.

Let the people who want to continue using Awo's name to claim some legitimacy continue living in the past.

BabaAduras:
I am a Yoruba man with a voice and I am telling you those jegudu-jeras that cannot win election on their streets cannot tell me who to vote for.

BabaAduras:
What is insulting in his statement? Tell me what is insulting in calling a Spade a Spade.

Who is Ayo Adebanjo to dictate to Yorubas talkless of dictating to Nigerians. While I SUPPORT Adebanjo's stand, it should be recognized for what it is - A PERSONAL OPINION (which he is entitled to have).

Who is Akintoye? and, who made him a Yoruba leader? Bunch of people that cannot win elections on their streets purporting themselves as leaders.

As earlier said, I am an advocate of Igbo Presidency in 2023. But can someone tell me of an Igbo Man that have the political clout to becoming the President of Nigeria. I can't see any.

The closest Igbo man I can think of is Peter Obi. I believe he committed POLITICAL SUCIDE by aligning himself with a known LOOTER (Atiku). Now Atiku will want to run again in 2023 and Obi has lost the support of egalitarian Westerners like me.

If you know any other Igbo man, please say.

Akintoye was elected with every significantly known Yoruba association present. You should have joined a Yoruba association of you wanted your voice to be heard
Abi who are you in Yorubaland?

candidtalk:
This is why you guys should not comment on Yoruba affairs. You are too emotional and always looking for ways to insult and denigrate others. Not a fan of Mohammed but nothing he says that we Yorubas do not say worse in regard to Afenifere and other Yoruba groups that have now rendered themselves impotent and disdained because they wake up daily terribly envious of Tinubu and obsessing over how to thwart and emasculate Jagaban.

Sadly, Tinubu has real political power and clout while these clowns do not so Junaid Mohammed is correct mocking Afenifere and "Yoruba leader" Akintoye many have not heard of until some mushroom group conducted a bogus election yesterday all for the sake of disenfranchising the influence of Tinubu over the Yorubas and aligning us under the PDP.

Mohammed may not like Jagaban but he respects him as a man of influence and excellent politician who has worked hard to be where he is in life. Mohammed , like many other, cannot have an iota of respect for Akintoye because the first question has to be "what has he done for Yorubas?". We all know what Tinubu, like or hate him, has done. Tinubu's credentials are not questionable at all.

You are obviously a traitor within. One of those children of migrant lineages in Yorubaland probably from Fulani blood

What has Akintoye done for the yorubas?
1. He is one of the leading professors from Yorubaland, known worldwide
2. He is an authority on Yoruba history and has done a lot to bring to light the inherent greatness of the Yoruba as evident from our history
3. He is a man of immense love and dedication to the Yoruba nation and people
4. He is a disciple of Awolowo and a staunch Awoist in terms of political ideology
5. He is dedicated to restructuring or independence - what the Yoruba need and have needed for decades now

In what way has Akintoye acted against Tinubu? Why would Akintoye our leader need to struggle with Tinubu when he's not Bode Thomas?

Grandium:
The Bachwezi are the Yoruba Orishas. These beings were our ancestors and we were created in their image and likeness. They were giants and oh yes the Yoruba legends describe the Orishas as being of great height.


Wake up out your your slumber

Take Yoruba out of your madness.

Binidefender:
yes , yorubas never owned it

This thing is very simple... Go to Lagos and claim it
Stop making noise and displaying your idiocy on every social media. Go there physically and take your land

I still listen to Styl plus

Their music is set in stone

kingkakaone:
I think the media created this Messi Ronaldo rivalry to this level.

So Ronaldo cannot say anything again without it being related to Messi abi?

Messi is also an incredible person who may be shy of this media battles.

The guy even ignored journalists before the event.
He seems to be tired of same questions everyday.

You get it.

Media likes a good fight
And people can be easily caught up in the media fake fight

bellachibaby:
Juventus forward Cristiano Ronaldo said he deserves to end his soccer career with more Ballon d’Or awards than Barcelona counterpart Lionel Messi and hopes to establish himself as the greatest player of all time.

Ronaldo, 34, has won the renowned France Football magazine trophy for the world’s best player five times – as many as Messi – but is eager for more as he moves into the twilight of his career.

“Messi’s in the history of football,” Ronaldo told broadcaster Piers Morgan in an interview with Britain’s ITV on Tuesday.

“But I think I have to have six or seven or eight to be above him,” he said, referring to the Ballon d’Or awards.

“I’d love it, I think I deserve it.”

The Portugal captain said he was no friend of the Argentine, but credited his rival for helping push him further in his own career.

“My relationship with him is, we are not friends, but we have shared this stage for 15 years,” Ronaldo said.

“I know that he has pushed me to be a better player and I have pushed him to be a better player as well.”

Ronaldo, who also played for Manchester United and Real Madrid, has five UEFA Champions League winners’ medals and led Portugal to victory at the 2016 UEFA European Championship and 2019 UEFA Nations League tournaments.

“I don’t follow the records, the records follow me. I’m addicted to the success, and I don’t think it’s something bad, I think it’s good,” Ronaldo said.

“It motivates me. If you’re not motivated, it’s better to stop.”

https://thickmatch.com/deserve-ballon-dor-awards-messi-says-ronaldo/

Seems like fake, Ronaldo and Messi are not as hard on each other as people like to imagine them
All this drama is in the head of fans who like a good fight