davidif: Culture is culture but it is not set in stone. Culture is dynamic meaning that it always changes if not we will be walking around naked or tying wrapper and hunting for food. Make no mistake about it but commercializing your daughters marriage is just pure greed. This igbo tradition of treating women less than men should stop just like the tradition that disallows women from inheriting property.
like I said if it doesn't cause harm there is no reason to change it.
davidif: Dude the fact that something has been done for thousands of years don't make it right it simply means that people didn't know any bettter like the killing of twins in old calabar. You are a twenty first century man who probably went to school and has being taught to think critically and to question things whether you agree with them or not so start using your knowledge and try being objective instead of falling back on the tired old crutch of "culture". Wrong is wrong and right is right irrespective of how long it has been practiced. This here is greed plain and simple and that family should be ashamed of themselves. Stop being a slave to tradition and be free of unnecessary shackles biko.
Culture is culture. I am educated enough to know that every civilisation and great nation has a great culture which it's people are proud of
As long as the culture doesn't harm or cause retrogression, as long as such culture can exist along side development, it should not be changed for anything
Those who complain about igbo bride price should simply work harder and find the particular igbo woman that is worth it...or move on..this is always an option
IdeyFindWife: Explains the plight of so many in Abuja too.
I don't see the reason for people getting all worked up and being so guarded with upholding archaic norms and way-outta-line ethno-religious customs that border on ruining the lives and happiness' of the coming generation while claiming to be advancing.
A lot appear stranded because they can't take home those who sincerely love them but couldn't afford the price tag so after years of living together, they part ways or some do the unthinkable of having kids outta wedlock etc. It's just pathetic that some people still gloat over oppressive bridal prices when State Governments are working on doing away with such customs.
Sir, would it really be right to sacrifice your daughter's future happiness to ""Culture"? What is culture? Must it be a static entity or an ever-evolving one changing for the service, guidance and betterment of humanity? Where does that put us in the commonwealth of nations?
For a people, largely claiming to be christians and christlike, hoping to be accepted into Paradise one day after we close our eyes in death; where does this put us?
As parishioners, our priests and pastors teach us the Holy Scriptures, the Blessed Injunctions of our Infallible Maker, but we depart the Sanctuary of Christ after partaking of the Blessed Sacraments to willfully go back into perpetrating the various personal, inherited and societal ills that we are supposed to expunge from our nature and character?!
The Holy Book warns us that even the law of God was made for man's benefit, not that man was made for the sole observance of laws Matt2:27). We are commanded not to uphold or teach as law the "traditions of men" above the laws of God (Matt 7:13; Col 2: or to even reject the laws of God because of the traditions of men (Matt 7:8-9).
I say this because most of this marriages are not only observed in the traditional ceremonies but also often solemnized in church as the final blessing. So the question is this, why bring something to the house of God for validation having built it on a foundation solely of self and flesh?
You may not answer but let's ponder pls.
Sir, I am a traditionalist not a christian. priests, parishioners and all that means nothing before the ethnic identity of a people, it is their pride, the source of their Nationalism and Patriotism, without this you cannot have true development and peace amongst one another . it might be selfishness for some hypocrites (especially Christians who do not follow or defend culture when it matters), but the true purpose of any cultural practice of this scale goes beyond personal gains, they have stuck for the social and moral benefit of the society.
SweetPuffPuff: [color=violet]well dang these comments. The baby still needs him so what he's not his biologically? The love die cuz it wasnt yer sperm ?
This idea by mean that they can not will not love another mans child is idiotic.the child less loveable because u didnt create em [/color]
>Why should he be forced to take responsibility for another man who slept with his wife? she can give go the the father of the child and raise the child together with the real father
He certainly shouldn't be with that woman anymore, and so what next? he goes through a process of right to custody over a child that isnt even his?
desreek9: Ladies, do not marry men that stay abroad if u cant stay without sex, dont try it, he may be fuvking someone over there yes but it is your reputation that will be tainted if you try it.
Don't marry a man that stays abroad if he is not ready to take you along immediately
to take nigerian women abroad these days is a risky thing
Yungkid101: An Igbo lady is really angry about the cost of her traditional wedding as it has drained herself and her Isoko husband financially, to the point of being in debt.
She took to Facebook to rant about it. Read below…
Culture is Culture, If the man cannot pay Igbo bride price he is not ready to marry Igbo woman. He could have told the woman to wait for him while he hustles for money to be able to afford her bride-price plus negotiate with her father or he moves on. When the father sees that he doesn't come back he would reduce the price
AdiscoPele: Like you said, history always favour the victor. I believe so many stories both in Yorubaland and across Africa are distorted because when you have people telling stories, along the line or after sometimes, they change this stories to suit the egos of those in power and with time, the story changes. Bashorun GAA can't be that bad as portraited but how do we know the truth when the story has been changed to suit the ego of new kings. Same goes with the History of Yoruba. If you go through the history on wikipedia, you'll notice so many distortion. One good example is the fact that the present lineage are called Arole Oodua. We were told that Oranmiyan, after leaving Benin founded Oyo, and going by the fact that he(Oranmiyan) as the last son of Okanbi(only son of Oduduwa) was the right heir to the throng at Ife, but there's nowhere in history where it was report that a son of Oranmiyan became Ooni. Instead, what we have are children of the man deposed as Ooni for Oranmiyan taking over after the same Oranmiyan. Now because time has passed and the story changed, we are made to believe that they are the rightful ones for the throne. I think those studing history have to take their time to rewrite all this history and always say the truth never minding whose ox is gored.
well, there is no real evidence to support the existence of Okanbi. Outside early History books(claimed to be based on Oyo traditions), every other source claims Oduduwa had many children, nothing less than 16.
I do not know if Oyo traditions truly state Okanbi as the only child of Oduduwa, but what I know is that according to an Oyo elder I spoke with, Okanbi became Ooni. His true Identity is still Unknown
mhisbliss: 1. they become your enemy when you reject their advances and you suddenly become ugly, some take it as far as harassing and raining obscenities on you.
2. They get intimidated and insecure when you make more money than them, but treat you like a dependent gold digger if you make less or nothing at all.
3. B!tch whenever they spend peanuts on you, and act like they're doing you a favour, you're the one who flaunted your money and offered to spend it on me, should I pay for a date you asked me on? Those who would say my dad doesn't own a rangerover so I shouldn't want a guy who owns one, I'm trying to live more comfortable than my dad, it'll be foolish to seek such lifestyle with a man who's lesser than my dad, common sense.
4. They always ask for your number after every conversation, even harmless ones that has casual written all over it, so they can pester your life.
5. Expect you to always reciprocate their advances or end up coercing and pestering you until you agree, because you asked me out I should just say yes, I might be into someone else, I might be in a relationship, I might not be ready for a relationship, or I simply don't like you, my feeling doesn't have a switch that I can turn it on or off whenever I want.
6. They're always nice for a reason, even when they don't ask for payback outrightly, they'll sure ask for it later on.
7. They mistake every gesture as a greenlight, you smile that's a greenlight, you wave its a greenlight, you reply messages its a greenlight, you don't, you're a proud mannerless snub
8. Give them a mile, they take two, visit them at home, its a go ahead to take it to second base, resist, and you might end up getting raped.
9. Lie amongst themselves that they've dated and even slept with you just to feel fly as they get cheers
10. Assume you're sleeping around as long as it aint them you're sleeping with
11. Take back everything they got you when it was all lovey dovey when things go wrong
12. Get on their bad side and things you did in private is online for everyone, anything just to slut shame you, some even go as far as blackmail, how lowly.
14. kiss and tell
15. seeing girls as intimacy gadgets
16. Using marriage promises to keep her inline, if you know you have no intention of putting the ring(branded handcuff) on it, let her go without wasting her time, its not an achievement or a do or die affair.
17. One lover at a time please, have conscience or grow one.
18. Don't classify all girls as slayqueens, I doubt you even know what it means.
As the title says, innit. What variants of oyinbo are used throughout Yorubaland (especially the eastern side)?
I have only known "Oyinbo"... I don't pay too much attention to note if it's sometimes pronounced without the "n" and I've not met anyone who knows otherwise. It is generally thought that "Oyin" in the word means honey hence 'Oyinbo' - bleached by honey
Another thought if we consider how other ethnic groups pronounce it - "oyibo" ..."oyi" could mean 'wind' in eastern Yoruba dialects, which happens to mean 'cold' in igbo language
Deadlytruth: I will keep punishing the intellectually empty Afonjas who believe that it takes only a Bini man to resist Yoruba neo-imperialism. You have been boxed away with unassailable facts. Next time don't speak authoritatively about others and then resort to crying "Bini" when you are disgraced with facts the way Igbos cry "Afonja" for any SS person that punctures their narratives.
God will deliver us the minorities from WAZOBIA. But we have to play our part which we are doing now.
You have given NO facts...sorry.
Yoruba language and culture remain in Akoko-edo! Let it pain you, not my business
Deadlytruth: Mr. Man, the claim you started with was not Yoruba influence in Akoko-Edo but that there are Akoko-Edo towns founded by Yorubas. This was what led to the contention. So limiting your claim to Yoruba influence now is just influence now is an afterthought inspired by the stubborn facts which you have been given here proving wrong the Yoruba founding claim. You again insisted that the Yoruba influence is getting more pronounced but with superior facts laid bare not even your brothers could deny any longer that the influence is actually waining due to current attempt at political relevance (if that is how it appears to him) Be honest for once.
However I am shocked to discover on this thread that Yorubas are not actually different from some Igbos to whom whoever takes a stand against certain Igbo attitudes must be an Afonja irrespective of how obvious it is that he is actually not. That you now believe that it takes only a Bini person to resent Yoruba inclusion into Edo State is at best funny, unintellectual and disingenuous. I used to think Yorubas rely only on intellectual submissions in debates but I have known better from the resort to anti-Bini innuendos I am seeing here in the face of being kissed with hard truths. I am an Akoko-Edo person not Bini. No Bini person can actually be so accurately detailed in his knowledge about Akoko-Edo as Binis hardly come to settle down in Akoko-Edo permanently. They only visit, spend some time and return to Benin.
However, the reason why Binis and indeed all Edos don't demonstrate hatred to Yorubas in real life unlike they do in this forum is simply that neither Yorubas themselves harass Edos with claims of founding Edo towns in real life as they do on this forum. The Yorubas resident in Benin and indeed every part of Edo are very mindful of their own business as they soon, from first hand experience, realize that they are actually not in Yorubaland. So it is all about GIGO.
i did not read any of this
I already told you. Everything I stated on this thread is established fact, if you do not like it, go and toss the 'akoko' name away and organize a media broadcast of akoko edo elders to denounce the popular perception
I am not wasting my time again with an intellectually deficient Bini man
scholes0: How about ayanran the king is also known as Alayanran of Ayanran. The issue here is that you lied that Ososo and Okpe were the only towns that had the -Oni and -Olo prefix for their rulers in the whole of Akoko Edo. If I didn’t know better I wouldn’t have been able to cite you this Ibillo example (of which you are now talking something else)
Mind you, the Oba of Lampese is also called the Onilampese (Oba J.B Balogun). Want more examples?
You also categorically said those honorific terms had nothing to do with Yorubas but you are now saying that some Okpameris of Ibillo want it removed because it had Yoruba Origin. Confused much?
You even mentioned earlier that Akoko Edo has now been ridden of all Yoruba influences wbich is another OBVIOUS LIE from you. Since I still HEARD a Yoruba language commercial from OSOSO, YESTERDAY. It is very obvious what you are trying to do- aspiring to be some kind of anti Yoruba ethnic purist or something- Yet you accuse Yorubas of being intolerant of other languages- lol.
It is equally funnier that you seem not to have any problems with the kingship title OTARU which is used in places like Igarra, Auchi etc and emmanates from the NUPES- but take some kind of aversion to the one of Yoruba origin. You got issues bro.
These are members from the Akoko Edo traditional council of Obas, and that sure don’t look like Bini kingdom to me.
Go and fight with reality and stop wasting your time here on nairaland.
the hatred Bini people have for yorubas on this forum still amazes me. Thankfully it is not a true reflection of what happens in real life. The guy has no problem with the Nupe and Egbira influences but see how he lies shamelessly with every new post inconsistent with the last to deny Yoruba influence in the Akoko-edo area
Deadlytruth: And how does that now connote Yoruba origin of Ososo and Okpe people as according to you? How does it establish your claim that being Akoko-Edo town Ososo and Okpe were founded by Yorubas?
Well, the use of "Olo" by these two monarchs in their names is not in the sense of ownership of any kind. So no Yoruba influence. Sleep well.
smh. read again , where did i say yorubas founded okpe or ososo? is something wrong with this one?
Deadlytruth: However, in the language spoken in Okpe, ownership is not denoted by either Oni or Olo. So your explanation does not cut it still. The King of Ososo is also called Olososo. Just like that of Okpe is called Olokpe. But Ososo and Okpe don't speak the same language, and neither language uses Oni or Olo to mean ownership. The use of Olo by these two towns therefore does not connote any affinity with Yoruba semantics but just a convergence. In fact the other 54 settlements in Akoko-Edo don't use Olo as prefix for their monarchs.
That is the point, the Edoid languages do not follow that protocol therefore 'Olokpe' and 'Olososo' are as a result of yoruba influence in the area
Deadlytruth: Even if they come out through a committee to make the necessary clarifications will your expansionist drive allow you see such for what it is? Only expansionist Yorubas will continue describing Akoko-Edo people as descendants of Akokos of Ondo. No other tribe in Nigeria does that and will ever do. You lack honesty and comprehension combined to assume that a Bini person could be so knowledgeable of the finest details about Akoko-Edo individual towns and villages. It is indeed shameful that rather than try to counter or acknowledge the details I have provided you about your posers, you decided to take the escapist route by claiming you suspect I am Bini. If I were Bini and my submissions about Akoko-Edo are false, then why has no other Akoko-Edo person here come out to refute my claims all this while? A brother of mine here has actually said it all here that it is more useful debating with a donkey than with a Yoruba.
I am done arguing with you. you said you are leading an initiative to cast out the 'akoko' name... please lead on correct the 'false' established demographic description
Deadlytruth: Stop your expansionist drive. They are not Yorubas. They don't speak Yoruba but Bini. How does the mere title of a king determine a people's tribe? Binis have substantially proven wrong the theory that they originated from Ife. If Yorubas themselves could claim that their progenitor dropped from the sky then which sensible person should believe whatever other account they give about themselves let alone others? Yorubas can twist any foreign lands title to make it sound like it's origin is rooted in Yoruba Language. So who takes them seriously on the Elawure twist to Olu-Awure? Didn't a fellow expansionist of yours just attempt to twist Olokpe to Ooni-Okpe? When did Yoruba start having 'kp' in their spelling system?
Yes, Edo State is complex, but an alien will definitely not understand it better than the native.
Hey i said "oni-okpe" not "ooni-okpe"
I said i wasnt going to explain more on this but before this deliberate slander continues ....
Oni - means owner or possessor And it is typical of Yoruba language to reconstruct the word "oni" to fit the first vowel of the word that is being possessed E.g.. oni Akara is reconstructed to fit as "alakara" Oni Owo "owner of money" or rich man = Olowo This law of Yoruba language is used to style kings as well e.g.. Oni Oyo = Oloyo or Oni Afin = Alafin Oni Okpe = Olokpe
Deadlytruth: . "Established" facts? By which authority? Establishment of "facts" could be imaginary but does not and cannot be substituted for truth which does not need to be established by anyone as it has always been.
I first posted about Igarra in response to an attempt by another expansionist to tag Igarra as Yorubas and impose Yoruba identity on them. It would not have made sense for me to have involved the whole Akoko-Edo in my response to his false assertions which focused only on Igarra. That you expect me to have brought the entire Akoko-Edo into my response over an issue that was specifically focused on Igarra puts your education and sanity to question once more.
If you think being born and brought up and still living in a place and being from the place is does not naturally endow the person with education and accurate knowledge about that place, then I don't expect you to know how moronic and absurd it is for an alien to believe that mere academic research is more reliable than being a native. By the way who first ever gave information to the authors of those academic works other than the natives themselves? In order of superiority the factors that determine accuracy of knowledge about a given people are as follows 1. Being a native born and brought up in the area. 2. Having travelled to the place to see and feel those people on first hand basis 3. Reliance on academic research and hearsay. Unfortunately the third category is where you belong and assume it takes position number 1.
There are no Akoko-Edo people who originated from anywhere in Yoruba land. You have continued to make this false assertion unsubstantiated. Your claim that Akoko-Edos on this thread have earlier on asserted their Yorubaness smacks of lack of comprehension typical of a bigoted alien on an expansionist drive. In fact the OP's post asserts that Ibillo people are Edo-speaking and not Yoruba-speaking. A truly Yoruba people are too conservative to have become Edo-speaking on arrival and settling in another land. In fact Yorubas have this assumption that their language is superior to all others thus an average Yoruba person not only resents learning the language of any Nigeria minority tribe but feels offended if spoken around him. I remember how, in my office in Lagos, once an Akoko-Edo colleague of mine and I begin to communicate in our mother tongue the Yorubas who formed the majority there would start protesting and demanding that we stopped speaking in a language they could not comprehend as if we could comprehend them each time they spoke to themselves in their own Yoruba language. A people who are so averse to and loathsome of other languages could never have migrated to a new land and adopt the language of the locality to the abandonment of their own.
You actually are guilty of the inconsistency you accuse me of as you now claim you never said these people are Yorubas but only possess Yoruba influence. You started by claiming that there are towns founded by Yorubas. How better than that can one claim that a people are originally Yorubas? Your education is doubtful with these self reversals.
I never denied certain Yoruba influence but I explained the reason for those influence as being purely political and administrative strategies to acquire relevance within the Yoruba dominated Western Region in which the people found themselves by default. All such Yoruba influence started post colonization as an indication of the underlying political necessity which later got accentuated by their inclusion in the newly created Western Region. Even in Igarra, the two main quarters which make up the town used to be originally called Ubobo and Eba (i.e Utah and Ufah combined) but with inclusion in the Western Region these quarters became renamed as Igarra-Oke and Igarra-Sale. A similar thing happened about Ikiran-ile and Ikiran-Oke. Does that now suggest that Igarra people were ever actually Yorubas? However, with our inclusion in the Midwest the Igarra-Oke and Igarra-Sale nomenclature got discarded and the Original Ubobo and Eba were restored till today. The towns Aiyetoro and Aiyegunle started as farming camps established by Ebiras but named by the Yorubas who however first came to patronize them of the produce. Aiyegunle and Aiyetoro have no monarchs as they are not really fully fledged towns or villages. We also have such Ebira farming settlement along the Ishua-Idoani-Ipele Expressway of Ondo State. Does that suggest that there are Ebiras indigenous to Ondo State or that there are Yoruba towns founded by Ebiras?
Many Akoko-Edos actually gave Yoruba names to their children in the past in pursuit of strategic relevance under the Yoruba dominated Western Region. However all that became unnecessary in the wake of our rightful inclusion in the Midwestern Region, hence the trend started getting reversed. It is impossible now for any Akoko-Edo person to give a Yoruba name to his newly born child. It is either religious or native names. Your claim that "Akoko" has always been part of their name is another evidence that you are just desperate to force Yorubaism on them. By using always you suggest that they were referred to as Akoko even before colonization. That is a fraudulent claim. They were from the beginning autonomous settlements which related minimally with one another. All this collective nomenclature necessity arose in the colonial era and due to language barrier then they were not much consulted by the colonial officers about administrative decisions about them. They never knew anything "Akoko" from their remotest beginnings. But they had from time immemorial always had the "Edo" tag. There is a village called Ekpedo i.e. Ekpe - Edo before colonization, they bore names which had "Edo" prefix, but not Akoko. How does Oni-Okpe equate to Olokpe? Okpe is not a Yoruba word. Olo is totally different from the Yoruba word Ooni. We have Olokpe of Okpe and not Ooni of Okpe, so cut that crap. Do Okpe people speak Yoruba or Bini? What gives dressing uniqueness to Edo monarchs is not the dress style but the circular beads. You are again ignorant of that. Pay a visit to Okpe and see things at a very close range and you'll be blown out of your socks. As for the Nupe influence you alluded to; Yes due to Nupe invasion between 1875 and 1900 some Nupe names like Damisa, Saiki, Idaudu, etc got adopted and children got given them. But have you seen any Nupe person on this thread capitalizing on that to claim that Akoko-Edos are Nupes? You are rather trying to force Yorubaism on Akoko-Edos. However by the time we cast off the Akoko tag in our name you'll understand better
I've already told you I'm not engaging in any further back and forths with you.
Established descriptions are there and well known by Nigerians....deal with it
Unless Akoko edos make a bold act like cast the "akoko" name off or come out in a committee to denounce the pre-colonial Yoruba factors to challenge the established demographic description...Akoko-Edos will continue to be described as an Akoko people with some Yoruba heritage
P.s that bold part tho You lack comprehension and knowledge I swear, what's wrong with Bini people(I choose to believe you are Bini) these days?? So much intellectual deficiency. And I'm not even going to bother explaining it to you
Deadlytruth: You are obviously a typical uneducated Yoruba bigot on an expansionism mission that has already failed. The guy schooled you. Live with that.
For someone who denies already established facts to call me a bigot
And questioning my education...really? I question yours and your sanity too because you first posted on this thread about specifically Igarra ...now you found a way to drag all Akoko-edo towns
You lack consistency
Much as you don't have to be Edo before you can know about Edo, you however can't know Edo more than the Edos themselves. I may have a lot of literature about Yorubas at my disposal online but that will and can never make me more knowledgeable about Yorubas than a Yoruba person born and bred in Yoruba land. So when an Edo person born and bred in Edo State speaks you listen and learn from his first hand knowledge rather than insist on the incomplete and inaccurate knowledge you gleaned from online articles and books written by non-native scholars like you. You don't claim you know me more than I know myself. That is absurd and moronic.
what is absurd and moronic is this assertion that study and research is irrelevant. Like being of an ethnicity automatically gives one the divine knowledge of the history and culture without being properly educated on the issue
basic facts are already established, research have been carried out
And my point is simple:
Akoko-edo is multi cultural and multi lingual with migrants from different places, with Bini and Yorubaland being just two of such places But in modern times the Yoruba factor is being reinforced
Simple basic point that no sane person doesn't already know
So you went all that length to resist the Izoduwa story which appears to you as a Binis' attempt to impose their own version of your identity on you yet you are here at the same time trying to impose your own concocted idea of Akoko-Edo people's Identify and history on them even when an Akoko-Edo person is here refuting it all and telling you the fact as a native? Is that not hypocritic? See your life?
Oh Geez... Akoko-Edos on this thread since page 1 never denied the Yoruba factors in the area, so how are Yorubas forcing a concoction on them? I believe the op of the thread is not less Akoko Edo than you are... Then again this is a faceless forum anybody can claim to be anything but why should anybody take your word over that of the op and others?
Sorry for you. I am an Akoko-Edo person born and brought up there and still live there. You are hallucinating. Almost all Akoko-Edo towns and villages are inhabited by ancient Bini Migrants. Most of their languages and dialects share a lot of words with Bini Language. Ibillo people are part of the ethnic group called Okpameri which is the largest in Akoko-Edo. Other Okpameri towns are Lampese, Bekuma, Imoga, Kakumo, Somorika, Ekor, Ilepi, Ugboshi Afe, Ugboshi Ele, Makeke, Anyauza, Ogbe, etc. None of them was founded by any Yoruba historical figure. They all migrated from Benin at different times.
I don't deny the Bini factors, even there are also Nupe factors
I'll also add that 1. there are towns with Yoruba names like Aiyegunle, Aiyetoro, Ikiran-ile, Ikiran-oke
Anyone can recognize these as Yoruba naming patterns Unless you want to deny these towns don't exist
2. Many Akoko-Edos have Yoruba names 3. The Yoruba clothing style is worn by even monarchs 4. The monarchs like Olokpe of Okpe are styled using Yoruba pattern of styling royal titles Oni-okpe = olokpe How can you deny even a little Yoruba influence?
The next largest tribe is the Uneme tribe which has towns and villages like Uneme-Nekhua, Uneme Erhurhu, Uneme-Akpama, Uneme-Osu, Ekpedo, etc. None of them was founded by any Yoruba. Unemes are metal smiths till today - a skill they carried from their ancestral Benin home. Their language is almost purely Benin. Igarra is just the largest town but not the largest tribe. In fact Igarra is the third largest tribe in Akoko-Edo. So your assumption that the largest size of Igarra automatically translates to largest tribe status for them showcases your stark ignorance about Akoko-Edo and further proves that you are on an expansionism mission which will surely fail.
You lack comprehension.. I never stated Igarra are the largest group...
My words I believe were "ibillo and igarra are the largest towns "
Other Akoko-Edo settlements are Okpe, Ijaja, Enwan, Akuku, Ososo, Egbigere, Sasaro, Ushi, Anyaran, Ojirami, Ojah, Atteh, Ikpeshi, etc.They are all together fifty six in number. None of them has any history of being founded by Yorubas. Akoko-Edo is in Edo State while Akoko-Ondo is in Ondo State. So I am left wondering what you mean by your claim that they are together. Akoko-Edo was cut into Midwest along with other Edoid tribes because they were clearly not Yorubas and had nothing in common with them otherwise they would have been left in the Western Region during the creation of Midwest. As for the Yoruba factor about which you exposed immense ignorance, here is the truth, kiss it for once:
The geographical area currently known as Akoko-Edo was initially known as and called Igarra-Edo by the colonial authorities which observed that nearly all the inhabitants are Edoid in language and traditions. The inclusion of Igarra root in the name was on account of the level of primacy which Igarra exhibited among the other settlements even though Igarra was not the largest tribe nor the second largest. However with time and more enlightenment the other tribes began to agitate that the name Igarra-Edo was not truly representative of the actual diversity of the area. But neither did any other single tribe have a simple majority to confer on it the status of overwhelming majority. This led to a logjam which in an attempt to resolve the different tribes, including the Igarrans themselves, had to agree to pick a neutral name to replace Igarra in the name. Owing to historical familiarity with their Akoko neighbors through trade interactions over centuries coupled with the fact that they were already placed in the newly created Western Region, they thought it strategic to adopt the Akoko root and moreso to gain political relevance within the Western Region given the fact that qualification for entitlement from the Regional government was not much by merit as was by real or apparent majority membership. That was how the people came to use Akoko and not that they we're Yorubas. However with the creation of Midwest, the Yoruba factor became unnecessary and began to die a natural death. For the teaching of Local Language, schools reverted to teaching the mother tongues of the villages in which they were located and the use of Yoruba language in communication became progressively discouraged and resented. In the end the only Yoruboid village that ever existed in Akoko-Edo and was actually founded by Yorubas was encouraged to get themselves carved into Ondo State. And this was done in IBB's 1991 States creation and boundary adjustment as the village in question called Imeri located on the Northwestern end of Akoko-Edo was carved into Ondo State. Thereafter Akoko-Edo has become devoid of all traces of Yoruba.
Smh. I never said these people are originally Yoruba...get the point!
I said, Yoruba factors exist among them and it has been growing in post-colonial times
It was not called Igarra-Edo but Akoko-igarra
The name 'Akoko' has always been there The "Edo" is the part of description that was most recently added due to administration changes
You are just deliberating trying to force an Edo on Akoko-Edos
I am not going to do another back and forth with you, these are simple information that only insanity can deny
BaEnki: Our law proscribe metaphysics and mysticism.
A question though; is Ifa more related to art and poetry than to Physics and Maths?
Secondly, does it possess the answer to everything?
And lastly, what rules over Ifa, some metaphysical beings?
I think to answer correctly one must recognize myth from what is practical ... by 'myth' don't mean false or lies
Ifa divination is mythically ruled by a spirit of the same name and known by some other names like Orunmila But practically what rules Ifa is Intelligence The intelligence of the ancestors, of the Awo who has learnt so much Ese Ifa and finally interpreting how the Ese Ifa revealed can affect/change the situation
Ifa is every knowledge of the ancient Yoruba, from Art to Maths, Astronomy to Anatomy, History to Culture etc
Deadlytruth: Thank you for taking your time to school him.
Do not be like the uneducated Edos on this forum. There is no schooling the person you quoted can give me, to assume that is even an insult
He resides far away in Ife and from there he is saying who belongs to Edo and who doesn't
I reside very very far away from Ife. And my hometown is not Ife, as that appears to be your assumption. I am sure not Edo, but it is wrong to think one would have to be Edo to know who is Edo and who is not, you seem oblivious to the concept of Study and research through that one will know that Edo state is different from Edo ethnicity which Akoko is not
, yet when Binis claim his Ife was first ruled by Ozoduwa a Benin prince he gets annoyed
of course I do, not because I have a problem with Bini but because it makes no sense that Oduduwa would come from Bini and Ife would have no tradition of that..even in Bini there is no tradition of that, this Bini connection story is a recent concoction, so inconsistent with the already known facts. I have given my reasons for refuting this so many times, some of them are: 1. Oduduwa - Odu - da - Uwa(Iwa; standard Yoruba)... basic Yoruba, which meaning has nothing to do with Imadoduwa or Izoduwa 2. is it Imadoduwa or Izoduwa? the story claims both names, doesnt make sense, this is an obvious sign that the story is made up 3. the coronation rites of the Oba of Bini doesnt connect him to the Ogiso, everything is a reflection of a totally new Dynasty 4. the name 'Oduduwa' is known in Bini as 'Oduduwa' there is even an Oduduwa festival. what sense does it make to call him Oduduwa when you say he is Izoduwa or Imadoduwa. No traditions exist with him being referred to as Imadoduwa or Izoduwa
Oduduwa might as well come from Bini, after all there are Obas in Yorubaland who came from Bini like the Ogoga of Ikere-Ekiti. But you need evidence, that is why no reputable historian takes the Ikaledehan story seriously.
. How can an Ife man claim he knows Akoko-Edo more than the people themselves? There is no part of Akoko-Edo that Yorubas are indigenous to. 95℅ of the towns and villages are made up of Benin Migrants whose languages have over time diverged from one another due to differences in times of exodus from the Benin Kingdom. The remaining 5℅ are the Oshuku descendants there whose migrational origin is suspected to be entirely outside Nigeria.
The Akoko root in the name Akoko-Edo was purely for administrative identity and does not in any way connote any cultural or linguistic relationship with Yorubas. .
Again, I am not Ife.
95% of Akoko-Edo are not made up of Edo migrants, Even Ibillo and Igarra the largest towns are not, I expect you to know this There are towns in Akoko-edo founded by Yorubas, towns founded by Edo, towns by other Ethnicities in Nigeria, this cannot be denied. Another undeniable fact is that Akoko-Edo and Akoko-Ondo are together Akoko as a whole, do not try to separate Akoko-edo. So I am not even claiming Akoko as a whole are originally Yoruba, because that is not true, the area is multi -cultural and -linguistic but the Yoruba factor(which has existed since pre-colonial times) is fast becoming dominant
AxxeMan: OSATUYI You are Edo plain and Simple .... You might familarize with those Yoruba ppl now but YOU ARE AN EDO DESENDANT!!
what ayyoshert calls 'Osa' is probably what we call 'Isa' in other Ekiti dialects. It is an ancient Ekiti deity
Many old settlements and Family names in Ekiti come with Isa prefixes, Including the area where my Family houses and farmland are
then the 'tuyi' is also typical yoruba.. there are names like Oguntuyi, Osuntuyi, Fatuyi
------------ People like you are a menace to humanity at large. Everything is not about your own ethnicity, more so a small minority like yours. rather than going about nairaland doing 'edo service' or 'edo defender' that does not pay Edo nation in any way, why not show your true love for Edo by helping your brothers and sisters out so they wont be going to europe through Libya.this sort of Ethnic bigotry doesn't help you, it destroys you
ayyoshert: that is what i am trying to say too, i remember in '91 when we went for our Grand dad's funeral, i was almost lost, i barely connected to the culture i saw, but since then, though i was still young i started getting curious about Ekiti, There was this drum in which the pattern of beating is not Yoruba at all, i remember my Dad saying they were ancient and the skins were human, even the music pattern and rhythm sound strange, especially the traditional ritualistic type. i cant count number of times when people ask after seeing my surname 'osatuyi' if i am Edo. i really love to know more on the past with Ondo and Ekiti. i want to believe poeple have been existing in these areas before waves of Ile Ife people came to mingle and mix up the tradition of the earlier aborigines of the place.
true, it is only natural. the entire Yorubaland could not possibly have been without other settlements outside Ife
Deadlytruth: Please stop saying what you don't know. If at all your assumption that Bini kingdom was limited to the present Edo South LGAs were to be regarded as the truth, then it would have also failed because there are actually 7 LGAs in Edo South and not 6 as you would want your readers to believe. They are 1. Oredo 2. Orhiomwon 3. Uselu 4. Ikpoba-Okah 5. Ovia NE 6. Ovia SW 7. Uhumwode.
Please your knowledge about Edo people is not detailed hence your false assumptions regarding the Kingdom and its people.
If you don't know the difference between Kingdom and Empire that's not my problem really
And I purposely stated 6 because parts of Orhiomwon belongs to Ika - Igbos
Rather than charge out on "ethnic defence mission" you should have stated what you think Bini kingdom comprises and prove how I'm wrong.
historyworld031: Prove your claims. You claim that their name is not AKOKO-EDO, then prove it. You really have to take a look at the pre-colonial maps before saying such and such place was not part of the Benin Kingdom. The entire Edo state was a small part of the Benin Kingdom. The likes of you just keep confusing Benin Kingdom with its capital (Benin City). And claiming that the Benin empire no longer exists is nonsensical, the people of the empire are still alive, the empire is not any less existing than your ife village or the sokoto caliphate. I know that you yorubas are very busy claiming bits after bits of the Benin empire with the usual "you be yoruba, you dey come from ife". I just keep wondering why yoruba just have this incredible vanity to think that they know us Edo better than we know ourselves. You don't even base your "knowledge" on scientific nor histoical facts but on some yoruba story tellers tales or on your personal emotions. Hear what the Esan princes have to say about Omo n'Oba n'Edo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MqF5JhgX0g You have to understand this, we Edo are one people with one king: Omo n'Oba n'Edo. Can you imagine your arrogance ? And stop this foolish "analysis" about language, we all speak english today, does that make us british ? People learn other languages in order to interact with other peoples (trade, conquest, marrage ...) By the way, when my Dad was in the army, he learnt haussa, are you going to claim that he is partly haussa now ? Jamaicans speak english, does that make them british ? The irish speak english, does that make them englishmen ? The problem with you macof is that your intellect is very small. You don't know what in hell you are talking about, you can't reason, all you can do is parrot others.
You are a dunce. I've said leave my mentions, your level of intelligence is too low for me to engage in yet another back and forth on another thread.
I'll jst leave you with this;
Benin kingdom is just Bini people, even Esan are not Part of Bini kingdom. Bini kingdom ends at Ovia LGA, all in all, Bini kingdom comprises parts of 6 LGAs in Edo state Learn the difference between Kingdom and Empire
But of course you can keep your delusions rather than to face your so called French medical education
that is from Usi And Usi was under Ido, which was at a time under Oyo. Bini influence over this area is almost non-existent These dancers could be from Owo as 9jakool suggested
ayyoshert: I was suprised when my dad told me that the chieftancy title of our family (Ijan Ekiti) 'Oshogbon' has a Bini root, even Ologbosere and other titles of bini roots are also given in some families. The influence of Bini can't be denied in Ekiti culture and traditions.
Of course Ijan ekiti was at a time under Bini in the early 1800s so such titles are possible But the Bini influence on any Ekiti town including Ikere(with an Oba of Bini origin) is not of significant amount
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or to even reject the laws of God because of the traditions of men (Matt 7:8-9).
these comments. The baby still needs him so what he's not his biologically? The love die cuz it wasnt yer sperm ?
