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princevinny:
So much crap about dis topic. Now dis is it, Oduduwa was d first son of an ogiso in edo. D ogiso had a wife who was barren as at then and she also hated oduduwa. So 1day she lied to d ogiso dat oduduwa cursed her with barreness, d ogiso was very angry n he sentenced him 2 die in d evil forest, but d guards sent to kill him loved him because he was good 2 dem n dey also believed d queen lied against him, so dey told him 2 escape. He escape frm d forest n got 2 ondo wier he was stop by ondo river. Oduduwa crossed d river by air because of his powers and got 2 ife which was under siege. Will continue later

oga please don't continue
@bold tho
first, there is no Ondo river, and Ondo didn't exist during the time of Oduduwa, Ondo was founded 300 years later
Ife was not under Siege. Please go inform yourself on Ife history - Oduduwa is from Oke-ora
Not only does oral tradition recognize Oke-ora as the earliest point of Oduduwa, Ooni collects the makeshift Ade oduduwa(the real one is in Idanre) at Ido signifying Oduduwa was the leader here before becoming Ooni. Ooni also receives the Aare crown at Oke-ora and Oduduwa shrine and resting place at Ido(populated by people from Oke-ora)

These connections are obvious proof that Oduduwa came from Oke-ora

madridguy:
Gani Adams must be 3 in 1.

but good thing is that he is one before the other two

i don't know why some yoruba traditionalists like famzing christianity and islam, its rather unnecessary

AxxeMan:
Efewestern you are right bro don't let the Ibadan printing press liars make you feel otherwise !

Ogendengbè means Strong Willed or Strong in Confidence in Edo!

Cheers!

Funny how this Yoruba's try to read non existent meaning for words in thier language ..

So mediocre hahaha

Sorry the name we are talking about is "Ogedengbe" not Ogendengbe

EdoNation:
Once again keep your version to yourself, that is why it is called Yoruba version for Yoruba ppl


Oduduwa came from Benin Empire it is that simple!

Very funny, no single bini person can defend their claim with evidence.
This is not a matter of versions if Edo do not even have traditions to back the story up. It is appearing more an more as a fictitious recent fabrication that has no basis in Edo tradition

Moreso if I am to take it personal, you talk about my ancestor and say I should not question what you say about him? If you want to say my ancestor came from your land you provide a superior argument...its never as simple as "oduduwa came from bini" then you end there

EdoNation:
Oduduwa came from Benin Empire it is that simple!

sorry, it's not that simple.
Your claim lacks consistency and verification..here are some

1. "Izoduwa" has a totally different meaning from "oduduwa"
2. In Bini traditions the man is called Oduduwa like in Yoruba, so the issue of "Oduduwa" being a corruption of "Izoduwa" is out the window. There's even a Bini festival called oduduwa festival not Izoduwa festival or Ekaledehan festival, and no reference to Ekaledehan is made during this festival. There's no tradition in bini of the Ooni of ife being called Izoduwa or Ekaledehan.
3. No songs, no festivals, not even a part of the Oba's oriki or coronation rites connect him to Ekaledehan. But the Oba is called Ovbie Adimula, Ovbie Oodua n'uhe...references to Oduduwa as we know him not as Ekaledehan.
4. The Ekiopagha treaty between Ogiamien and the 5th Oba of bini portrays the Oba as a foreigner and not a person whose ancestors own the land

This is not an issue of ethnic pride and prejudice but common sense, you don't have to be a historian or African studies specialist to detect lack of consistency from the Ekaledehan- Oduduwa claim, this is why no historian of reputation has picked it up

EdoNation:
So unless you say Oduduwa was not the son of Ogiso Owodo of Benin Empire , maybe Oduduwa was a bastard is that what you are implying ?

no, i am not talking about his parentage or pedigree. Oduduwa came from Oke-ora , that's what I am saying. as to his parentage, that cannot be said not every historical character has his parentage on record. Other Yoruba men of the time like Obatala, Obamakin, Obameri, Obawinrin etc do not have their parentage on record but what is on record are their homes, achievements and postulated origins, for Oduduwa, he is always referenced to Oke-ora as Obatala is referenced to Ode-Igbo. Historians therefore take the strongest and earliest references to be the origin but if you say otherwise, then you need to provide a stronger argument with evidence

EdoNation:
I like your confidence

you do realize you all are harming yourselves right? keep liking ignorant confidence

AxxeMan:
[[s]quote author=macof post=62901766] Oranmiyan is the ancestor of all Oba of Bini

earlier you said Bini practice a primogeniture

I will give you a list of some Oba of Bini who ascended the throne not as first sons.. Prove it wrong
1. Oba Ehenmihen, second son of Eweka I
2. Oba Oguola, he ascended the throne over his elder brother
3. Oba udagbedo
4. Oba Ohen
5. Oba Uwaifiokun, he took the throne over Ewuare I, his elder brother
6. Oba Olua
7. Oba Ozolua, killed his nephew to ascend the throne
Bonus: Oba Ohuan died childess, Bini goes through a period of elective monarchy, 7 obas until Oba Ewuakpe
8. Oba Ezuere, Ewuakpe's second son
9. Oba Ogbedo
Bonus: Obaseki rules Bini as a republic in trust of the British

Bini did not always follow the father - son tradition[/s]

If you really think i would debate my rich great culture and traditions with a Yoruba man you must be living in fools paradise!

The earlier your stop maatubating over Edo History and tradition the better for you!

You have nothing to say, You do not know your own history. a dimwitted slowpoke smh, Do not waste my time

AxxeMan:
Like I said!... Shut up this is my history not yours!!.... Now fucvk off!

you do not know your history all you are for is the self induced delusion of edo supremacy, which even if were true should be backed with facts not sentiments... that's the difference between you and me

You see, I actually know history, it is a passion, I don't run away from reality and facts to lies and delusions that will only eventually destroy what i think I want to promote, You will only be harming the Edo nation by not learning history properly

So unless you say Oranmiyan is not the father of Eweka, maybe Eweka was a bastard is that what you are saying?

AxxeMan:
What stupid useless Yoruba origin is this punk reffering ..... The Yoruba's that buy thrones or the Yoruba's that don't even have a culture to speak off

Hahahaha see guy don't disgrace urself

Oranmiyan is the ancestor of all Oba of Bini

earlier you said Bini practice a primogeniture

I will give you a list of some Oba of Bini who ascended the throne not as first sons.. Prove it wrong
1. Oba Ehenmihen, second son of Eweka I
2. Oba Oguola, he ascended the throne over his elder brother
3. Oba udagbedo
4. Oba Ohen
5. Oba Uwaifiokun, he took the throne over Ewuare I, his elder brother
6. Oba Olua
7. Oba Ozolua, killed his nephew to ascend the throne
Bonus: Oba Ohuan died childess, Bini goes through a period of elective monarchy, 7 obas until Oba Ewuakpe
8. Oba Ezuere, Ewuakpe's second son
9. Oba Ogbedo
Bonus: Obaseki rules Bini as a republic in trust of the British

Bini did not always follow the father - son tradition

AxxeMan:
[[s]quote author=macof post=62901650]

I don't post trash boy. if you wan to discus history you have to let go of sentiments, your blood boiling over historical facts

Boy, during that time, the Oba dynasty that created the Empire did not exist... it was much later during the time of Oba Euware I that Bini became an Empire and started collecting tributes from some eastern yoruba towns. At this time Bini was known as Igodomigo so what nonsense are you saying? I expect you to know this much about your history. Don't come here disgracing your father's house in a bid to satisfy your pride...let your blood cool down and learn history boy.

A great monarch yes, but with Yoruba origin![/s]

At that time Benin was already a kingdom it got expanded into an empire by Ewaure the great! So shut up , this is my history not yours..... Go and mastubste over whatever peanut or liltle recent history u Yoruba's might have

are you stupid or what? wtf! I am speaking of Oranmiyan - Ewedo (generations before Ewuare)

You need to let go of your hatred for Yorubas, hate will only destroy you

AxxeMan:
[[s]quote author=macof post=62901500]


I didn't wanna give a reply to the trash you typed because it don't deem it worthy , but that last paragraph set my blood boiling !

Edo's would never accept a foreigner to be king and definitely not a Yoruba , a tribe that a part of it was already paying tributes and tithes to the Benin empire at that time, never! A monarch built on promegenture for centuries you gotta be kidding me, not even a brother of the crown prince can climb that throne !

Even with the banza and jamboree that is the Yoruba kinship , strangers are excluded from bidding and buying the thrones available talkless of a monarchy as great as that of the Edo's!

I don't post trash boy. if you wan to discus history you have to let go of sentiments, your blood boiling over historical facts

Boy, during that time, the Oba dynasty that created the Empire did not exist... it was much later during the time of Oba Euware I that Bini became an Empire and started collecting tributes from some eastern yoruba towns. At this time Bini was known as Igodomigo so what nonsense are you saying? I expect you to know this much about your history. Don't come here disgracing your father's house in a bid to satisfy your pride...let your blood cool down and learn history boy.

A great monarch yes, but with Yoruba origin!

historyworld030:
Not everybody you identify as "yoruba" identifies your ooni as their leader or even self identify as yoruba.
Besides you are exagerating the nuMbers of those you want to call yoruba.
Lagosians do not recognize your ooni in any way? they have their own Oba who derives his authority from the Oba of Benin.
Enough of this goal shifting competition, just keep electing your oonis and keep deluding yourself to think that they can compare with people who actually have royal blood in them.

Smh. similarly not everyone you identify as 'edo' selfs identify as edo. and not all edo identifies omo n'oba as their leader, some don't give a damn about him, and consider the whole institution unnecessary and against their religion or social orientation

I actually undernumbered... Yorubas are not just SW Nigeria but up til Togo, and some in countries like Brazil, Cuba, Trinidad and Tobago... Yoruba number about 100million by parental claim, or claim of Ancestry or claim of Ethnic Adoption through practicing Yoruba culture

why not go down to lagos and find out, oh wait lemme help your little tiny unproductive brain https://www.nairaland.com/4191914/ooni-visits-lagos-assembly-watches www.nairaland.com/attachments/6297869_oonie1484235253428_jpeg020c137805d63e9d1b8db089aa62a30d

There is Ooni in Lagos Assembly taking his place as Yoruba traditional leader

PabloAfricanus:
You miss the point really. And your analogy is off. Yoruba rituals and festivals DO NOT HAVE TO MATCH other people's own for there to be a historical link. The Fulanis that took over Ilorin for example do not have a ritual depicting the battles they fought before they took over the city and established an emirate. Are you aware Alimi provided an escourt to take the Alaafin safely back to Oyo after he was captured by Fulani/Hausa soldiers fighting for Afonja? They told him the Aare was gonna spill the Alaafin's blood for sacrifice and he refused to give him up for that purpose.
So going by your analogy, the Fulani wars with Oyo never took place right?

I didnt miss the point at all, maybe you failed to understand. imagine oyo says larooye went to Ijebu ode to steal the crown and brought back to Oyo-ile, to verify this, there must be ritual rites/festival from both Oyo and ijebu that tell of this incident.

Similarly, if Bini says Ekaledehan went on to become Oduduwa, there must be rituals/festivals/songs/ or anything tangible to compare with what is obtainable in Ile-ife. that is how Sub-saharan african history goes.

The fulani did not fight battles to take over the city, they laid an ambush on Afonja, and were supported by Yoruba muslims. No, I am not aware Alimi rescured the Alaafin, I am not even aware the Alaafin was captured. How did you come about this information?

Afonja spill blood of an Oba for sacrifice Afonja might have lost respect for Alaafin Awole but to spill blood in sacrifice... Nah!

About Bini and Oduduwa, for starters, if you cared to investigate you would find out that the monarchies in most lands ARE ALMOST ALWAYS FOREIGNERS who where not indigenes in the first place. For example, the royal family of England are not even English, Welsh or Scottish. Same goes for Spain, Netherlands and others.
So your idea of trying to create an exception for Yorubas won't fly because history is not on your side.
All oral and recorded history about Oduduwa repeats one fact, he was welcomed into Ife.

This is a Bini account, referencing with songs and rituals as you expect

I am not trying to create an exemption for Yoruba, I am simply following the right approach to historical science. If Bini say oduduwa was a Bini prince, there needs to be a tangible element of verification. Please provide the song and describe the ritual process

And he was NOT FROM Oke-Ora as you like saying all the time, hear it from the Ooni himself

https://www.oonirisa.org/history-of-ile-ife/



So there you have it, Oduduwa arrived with his groups to Ife.
An indigene cannot arrive to a place where he is indigenous to except language has lost its meaning.
The Oduduwa group were not indigenous to Ife according to historical records, here is a editorial by Eluyemi on the Guardian that HAS NOT BEEN CONTESTED

https://guardian.ng/features/ife-coronation-rituals-and-the-primacy-of-history/

smh. Ife was a confederacy of 13 communities, Oke-ora was not among those early communities of the confederacy, Oke-ora is a hilly community outside the city of Ile-ife, the people of Ile-ife at that time would see the Oke-ora man as a foreigner....simple logic, its not complicated at all.
Oduduwa certainly, a 100% came from Oke-ora to Ile-ife, all references to Oduduwa point to Oke-ora, now whether he came from somewhere else before reaching Oke-ora is another thing you can choose to argue(an arguement that will fail without proof stronger than the Oke-ora origin theory) but to say he didnt enter Ile-Ife through Oke-ora is you just being stupid

Ido, a hill-top community a few miles to the northeast of Ife on the road to Ilesha also is located near the ancient center of Ibodi, discussed earlier in this chapter. Both sites are important to Ife’s early history and first dynasty rulership line. Consistent with this, one of King Obalufon’s praise poems is: ‘‘Obalufon, Master of Ido.” The king-elect makes a visit to Oke-Ido during the enthronement, explains Obalufon priest, Owakinyin, because ‘‘Obalufon’s ase is in Ido. There is a tree there where the ase is kept.”
Like Ibodi, Ido is closely identified with Oramfe, Ife’s ancient god of thunder and lightning one of whose shrines is located on the adjacent Oke Ora (‘‘mountain of Oramfe”).Once the king-elect has arrived at Ido, as historian A.A. Adediran points out, he ‘‘visits Oke-Ora (hill of Oramfe) where a crown is made for him by the Ompetu of Ido.” Price highlights the unique historic significance of this headdress as the region’s ‘‘first crown,” explaining that the king’s official crown is a hat made for him by his personal attendants, and embellished with leaves taken from a sacred tree growing on a hill named Ido, four miles from the city.”

The crown is fashioned in part from iroko leaves and placed on the king-elect’s head by the Ompetu of Ido. It is these leaves that also are seen to furnish the ruler-elect with the necessary ase (authority to rule). The Ido crown is described further as being safeguarded by the orisa (god) Olojudo

this is from the Article written off from Suzanne Blier's work, which you posted a link to. it can be used to buttress my point but I need to make a few corrections:

Ido was the successor community to Oke-ora, Ido(Yoruba:valley settlement) was populated by Oduduwa's people from Oke-ora on Obadio's land, Oduduwa temple and resting place is here
[the writter doesn't know much about Ido's geography, they kept mixing Ido up with Oke-ora, eg. Ido is not a hilltop community, oke-ora is]

The defeated chiefs are even called upon to supply music!
Let's add more fire to the raging discussion, notice Eluyemi did not say Ife’s autochthonous Ugbo population but Ife’s autochthonous Igbo population.
I know some peeps are gonna be like
He was referring to Ugbo in Ilaje right? But was he? That must have been a typo on his part right?

Some Ife historians mix it up half way and can't seem to make up their minds whether it is Ugbo or Igbo.

http://ifeooye..com.ng/2016/03/art-in-ancient-ife-birthplace-of-yoruba.html




Talking about Ugbo, you are going to have to contend with Oba Akinruntan if you want to contest further on Oduduwa's history of not being native to Ife.

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2016/08/27/oba-frederick-obateru-akinruntan-i-am-the-owner-of-ile-ife-i-can-rule-ife-from-my-palace-if-allowed/

You don't have University Thesis? or References from Books? Whats with all the unreliable random internet links? You obviously do not do thorough research
'Igbo' is standard yoruba for 'Ugbo' - Ugbo of Ilaje not SE Igbo ethnic group, I hope You are not a waste of time, I expected you should know this already

Now apparently even Akinruntan bought into the Mecca myth when the proper reference was somewhere to the East. I blame it on literacy or lack of geographical knowledge, as the Mecca fabrication is not only tenable but totally unrealistic IMO.
The point is, it is established that Oduduwa came from somewhere to Ife, was accepted, fought with the native power brokers to establish his dominance and gained ascendancy to start a dynasty.
What you are going to have to prove to me is which independent kingdom goes out to another unrelated kingdom to ask them to supply a king for them if there was no relationship in the first place?
Are you aware of the claims by Ogiamen family in Bini today that the present royal family of Bini are Yorubas and not ethnic Binis? They claim the Oliha back then went to Uhe to bring a Yoruba prince to usurp Ogiamen's authority. History records that the Ogiamen was later defeated and was forced to sell the land symbolically to the new king.
Why did the Oliha have to go to Uhe? Why not Zaria or Bida or Idah?
How did the Oliha manage to convince a notoriously difficult people like the Binis to accept a foreign prince as a king, even when an Ogie was already ruling the land?
So you see, the story is not as simple as you are trying to make it appear.
The history of most peoples in Southern Nigeria is way more related than we care to admit.

if the Ogiamen family(descendants of the Ogiso) say Oba of Bini is a foreigner and not their brother, and the have their traditions and play a role in the coronation of the Oba of Bini then I think they should be listened to
this role(in the Ekiopagha treaty) was omitted during the last coronation, due to the absence of a leader of the Ogiamen family, he has been missing for years and had no son or brother, probably this was a move to eliminate the Ogiamen factor which has been 'a torn on the flesh' of the Oba of Bini)

Why did Oliha go to Ife and how he convinced the people to accept the Oba?
Ife was the most successful kingdom in the near, common Binis do not interfere with Kingship matters unless as foot-soldiers and war puns, they do not influence decision, it is considered a personal/family matter not state affairs. Regardless, Ogiamen had more supporters and fighters, he successfully blocked Oranmiyan's access into the city, it was Oba Ewedo(Oranmiyan's greatgrandchild and 5th Oba of Bini) that eventually defeated Ogiamen in battle, but even after that, in order to rule as King over the land, he had to 'buy' the land. How can Ewedo buy the land if his ancestors owned the land? common sense...Binis should think before they lie

historyworld030:
There are prostitutes in nigeria, what percentage of them are yoruba ?
A huge chunk, right ?
Then why would you expect the foreign prostitution to be any different ?

Hate for Yoruba will still land you in wahala . Inferiority complex of a Bini man will always lead him to hatred for his senior

Yoruba women are not Edo women ok, go look for your huge chunk somewhere else

lalasticlala:
Star actress, Stella Damasus has disclosed how her 2nd husband, Emeka Nzeribe verbally abused her in 2009. The mother of 2 was briefly married to Emeka Nzeribe after the demise of her first husband, Jaiye Aboderin. Stella who is now married to Daniel Ademinokan, made this revelation via her Instagram page.

She wrote:




https://www.instagram.com/p/BcH9E29j11Q/?hl=en

what did you do for him to 'verbally abuse' you? Women and playing victim

Efewestern:
to my little understanding it means big crew in edoid.

Will verify later and repost.

Big crew? How does an Ijesa man end up with an Edo name meaning "big crew"

KingOvoramwen1:
Benin Kingdom conquered and ruled over eastern Yorubaland even down to Iwo in osun state... Is this even a debate?... THIS IS FACT!

And I did not add Lagos because Eko was and it is still Edo territory

Smh. Iwo? You are just too stupidd, do you know that you would have to pass Ife to get to Iwo.
Not one Oba could dare insult his ancestral home Ife like that

Why not tell your father to go and take Lagos
Maybe we will take Bini as Yoruba territory

historyworld030:
Also, the Ezama of Benin and the Obi of Onitcha are much much more influential than the ooni of ife and the alafin of oyo who got booted out of his capital (illorin) by the fulani. So don't even dare compare your fake kings "ooni and alafin" to a real King: Omo n'Oba n'Edo.

common sense has left this one

Ooni - influential over 40million people
Omo n'oba - over 5 million

Common sense tells who the most influential is

excanny:
There are 3 of them likely from same parent language. Yoruba, Itshekiri and Igala.

Yoruba and Itshekiri are like blood siblings(much more similar) while Igala is like a cousin to them.

Itsekiri is a dialect of Yoruba sef, a dialect similar to Ijebu and Ilaje.

IgalaSchool:
More Igala common Words

We will be using them nore in sentences as the lesson progresses

Land - Ane
Igbi - Snail
Igbili - Forest/Bush
Oko - Farm
Odu - Name
Onobule - Female
Onekele - Male
J’uja - Fight
Ubailo - Danger
Owu - Cotton / Thread
Onukwu - Friend
Ogede - Banana
Ekpo - Oil
Ate- Bed
Una - Fire
Ugba - Bowl
Adagba - Elephant
Ikpa - Bag/Sack
Ochikapa - Rice
Wife - Oya
Oko- Husband
Okö - Vehicle
Okej’omi - Canoe/Boat
Ojale - Sky
Ujenwu - Food
Enyo - Good, Nice, Cool E.tc
Ochu - Month / Moon
Ilawo - Star
Flower - Ododo
Olu - Sun
Egbe - Gun
Ona - Door

Colors in Igala

Black - Dudu
White - Fufu
Red - Kpikpa
Blue - Odufa
Green - Edufa
Pink - Odo

see yoruba-ish oozing off of these words

more research should be done on the early History of Igala(before the Jukun connection), Yoruba and Igala were definitely a single Ethnicity some time ago.

PrinceOgun:
And so fvvvcking what!!!!!!

Are there no Edo towns in Ondo and Ekiti?

Even the Ediod people in Onitsha does that make them Benin?

You better start reasoning like a literate person !!

what Edo towns in Ondo and Ekiti?

You seem bitter and hateful

Probz:
Hold up. Don’t you have to claim descent from Ile-Ife and Oduduwa to be considered truly Yoruba?

no

ola12:
He has talent too, not evribody wit money nd musical ideas can bcum as successful as he is

my guy if you listen to songs and not just follow hype you will find at least 20 nigerian male artiste that sing better than Davido but arent at his level of sucess

peacesamuel94:
So since Rihanna is an international star, bigger than wizkid by every standard, and her consumers scatter across wider regions. Do you see her singing in Ibo, Hausa, or French to cater for foreign consumers?

did fela ever change his style to become the international musician he became?

Does a musician necessarily need to loose his personality, deny his ethnicity, or change his style of singing to become international?

This one doesn't know what music in 2017 is sha (commercialization). Abi the Davido you are hailing is it not commercialization that he is using, he isn't good at singing, he just has musical ideas and money to push them forward and buy lyrics and dope beats

historyworld030:
Look, you are not smart, so stop believing you are.
I am very smart, i hate to say it and if you were smart enough, I wouldn't need to tell you how smart I am.
You can't even debate with me.
Let me inform you once again that if an event is not recorded soon after it happens, then it is not called history.

At least I'm smart enough not to go argue mathematical formulas with you but you are the dunce who doesn't know history doesn't follow mathematical principles but has principles of its own. Your stupidity is just hilarious

historyworld030:
Wow, I guess this is african logics 101.
It is not about the logics of my arguments but about me being qualified in an other field.
I guess once you are able to prove a theorem, you automatically become incapable of reading about history or reasoning on historical matters.
African logics is one very wonderful thing indeed.
Thank God I studied in France.

Dull fellow, you claim to study mathematics in France and want to tell what applies as African history? Soon farmers will be trying to be astronauts

The very history of France or origin of the early Gallic people wasn't written as all these things were happening, yet the earliest written work by Romans and Greeks on their structure is held in scepticism. The origin of the later Frankish invaders were not recorded as it was happening. Yet through traditions and linguistics we have been able to pin point the origins of the Franks and early history of the Gauls.

If your French masters respected oral traditions that existed before contact with Greeks and Romans who are you the slave to complain?


Run along

NoToPile:
But the paternity of the child is not the subject of argument here, they all know who the father of the child is.

A woman can claim anyone to be the father , that cuts across tribes but at some point fingers pointed to the Igbo dude that he's the father and relatives were there to witness this and there was a denial.

If she had given the pregnancy to another man without alarming the first its a whole different case entirely.

You are kinda right, I don't know what traditions say about a case where the woman has already claimed one man as the father, only to turn back to give another
...it is indeed complicated

historyworld030:
I don't need to be better than your professors, all I need to do is to be logical in what I say.
By the way, I am a mathematician, not a historian.

End of discussion. Now run along to a thread about mathematics and put your knowledge there, you have no knowledge of basic principle of African historical research

historyworld030:
"Oral tradition" is no history at all. Events must be recorded soon after they happen in order to be called history. Oral tradition is a way to fake "history" by just making unsubstantiated claims.

Keep saying nonsense and deceiving yourself.

Maybe you are a better historian than my professors

naijaboiy:
[b][color=#1980BC]That is the tradition in the place you come from. But the courts will not be bound by local customs and traditions especially when it's repugnant to natural justice.

In my opinion the major case at hand should be who would get custody and not who is the real father. The identity of the real father is not far fetched, denying a child does not terminate the fact that the child is yours.

The only time when such actions will come against the supposed boy is when it comes to the custody of the child and if the family of the girl can prove that the boy is not responsible enough to cater for the child then her husband to be can be made a guardian.

Often times things like this are very difficult to prove. So the fact that the other man has paid bride price does not amount to anything in court, he’s only performing marriage rites and activities which has no connection with the child at hand.

And in my opinion it would be a crime for him to take the wife and unborn child away when he has no legal custody of the child yet. He won’t go to Europe and tell the authorities that he paid the bride price for his wife and the culture automatically allowed him to have the child, what they would need is legal proof that he has custody of the child not payment of bride price.[/color][/b]

All what you are saying is European culture not Nigerian culture

In most parts of Nigeria, the guy has no rights over the child anymore