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historyworld031:
You are not being reasonable, the name of the people is AKOKO-EDO ! And you are claiming that they are not Edo.
I don't know if you guys are aware but the entire Edo state is part of the Benin Kingdom !
Would you guys please stop trying to make yourselves spokesmen for the cultures of people you know nothing about !
Will yoruba ever stop claiming our Edo people through the backdoor ?

the name of the people is generally Akoko.
"Edo" is simply added to distinguish the area from akoko-ondo politically not cultural; there's enough cultural and linguistic diversity within Akoko as a whole.

So "Akoko-edo" is modern Nigerian administrative protocol. And the area was not part of the Bini kingdom, part of the empire yes, but not Kingdom, and the empire doesn't exist anymore, Akoko-edo people answer to "Akoko" not Bini. P.s even Esan people are not part of Bini kingdom

Akoko area contains actual edoid, yoruboid, egbira and even it's very own Akoko(independent from others) dialects or languages
These core Akoko independent dialects are what I'm talking about not Edoid or Etunu languages

Please leave my mentions cause you have nothing to contribute to this entire culture section

Deadlytruth:
You obviously don't know that Igarra (Etuno) is different from Igala.
Igarra refers to a town in Edo State and has no linguistic affinity with Igala in Kogi State. They are totally different from each other, so don't confuse them at all.
Igalas speak Igala Language which has a lot of Yoruba variants in it. But Igarras speak Etuno Language which has nothing to do with Yoruba as you have already seen above.

You are right, I confused them because i had forgotten the earlier discussion on the thread from long ago

RedboneSmith:
Igarra is different from Igala.

I have a habit of thinking of "igara" the Yoruba name for the Igala

My bad

Probz:
Igarra’s not Igala. More akin to Ebira.

wait! Really? I thought the person I replied was referring to Igala

Deadlytruth:
In Igarra usage:
Ozioma means a responsible child develops the trait naturally and not due much to parental efforts.
Iramofu means the future always is greater than the past and present.
Adaviriku means that a responsible father is a like a forest into which members of the family run for protection.
Asusheyi is actually a condensed pronunciation of A si ewu sha eyi and it transliterates to 'You should not hurry' meaning no hurry in life.

So they are not Yoruba names and have nothing to do with Yoruba.

Not being Yoruba doesn't mean they have nothing to do with Yoruba

Yoruba and Igala share a common origin, one more closely connected than the Yoruba-Edo-Igbo origin infact, and the Okun- Ekiti sub groups have had a lot of interaction with the Igala for centuries.

Don't take all lay man's translation seriously, just because aljharem gave his suggestion doesn't mean that's all to it...

Doesnt make sense. Big Shaq is not even a real person, he is a comic rapper character played by Micheal Dapaah

YelloweWest:
Almost all African cultures are unfavourable to women.

They MUST all be abolished

Good you said almost.

Yoruba is very balanced in gender equality

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saltoasis:
Keep your perception to yourself.

tell your pastor that too
why should somebody be listening to the nonsense tithe preaching, they should as well keep it to themselves

saltoasis:
Sorry to burst your bubble, pastors are not the one dictating to me. The bible tells me what to do.

yet the bible doesnt mandat a Christian to pay for blessing

If your pastors haven't brainwashed you to do their bidding and feed them, you won't be paying tithe

Offering what you have is enough...tithe is simply fraud

saltoasis:
Daddy freeze, I pay my tithes, there is nothing you can do about that. Rant from now till tomorrow it changes nothing.

Who the hell are you to tell me what to do with my money?

And you the hell are your pastors to tell you what to do with your money?

Morenikeji900:
thanks bro don't mind that foolish medicine guy saying trash Bleep Edo people Yoruba have no business with does nitwit and dotard people

im just indulging him for fun, I'm convinced by the content of his posts that he is not a medicine student , neither did he study in France, fake life proponent on faceless forum

But I would not encourage the insult on Edo people in general, while a lot are truly unexposed and unintelligent, some are better off...consider also that many modern Edos are Yoruba descendants
Be better than them by not resorting in petty ethnic rumbles

historyworld031:
So now you are telling obvious lies ?!
Why would you tell such a lie while everybody can check the map and see that you are lying ?
Is this what they teach you in "yoruba history" ?
Anybody can check the maps and see Benin written all over Lagos.
When you use proof to debunk the claim of a yoruba, you get banned.

smh. Keep seeing what isn't there, soon you start seeing things everywhere. Your links ,every single one, including the video remains a spam as it only carries irrelevant information

Why not upload the maps and highlight where bini is portrayed to have dominion of the Lagos area

SicilianMafia:
Don't bother quoting me I already know you are intellectualy deficient .....Imbeciles

Tell that to your family members that have not impacted anything good in your life. Low life thrash too wants to be heard

historyworld031:
You are funny, learn how to use all the options of the website hosting the map, zoom a little bit and notice Benin is written on Lagos.
Here is one thing which will help you in the future: always be very specific when talking about something.
I posted numerous maps, precise which one you are talking about.

All your maps ..none support your argument
stop spamming with links that have nothing to do with the thread...that should get you ban sef

historyworld031:
this guy macof wants to tell me that africa is so special and different from the rest of the world that research can not be conducted normally in africa, the rules have to be changed and things which would be totally not acceptable anywhere else in the world should be the norm in africa. How dumb are you ? It is this kind of mediocrity in the head which makes nigerian universities to rank among the worse in the world.
This is why you and your yoruba "historians" are considered crooks and story tellers in europe and elsewhere.

stop assuming i study in a Nigerian university, you cannot know that
Btw. European and American Universities seek the services of Nigerian professors in African studies

I thought i taught you a little history about France (where you claim to live) the other time how the Franks taking over the land and the early culture of the Gauls was mostly oral history and family traditions before being written down

historyworld031:
don't claim to know something if no proof was shown to you.
Lagos was part of the Benin Kingdom. That is the only Verrifyable fact and here is proof:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IlUMUGUorw


Some ancient maps of Benin Kingdom:

This one dates to around 1699:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595525w/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8469390z/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

An other map from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595527q/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

The story about the awori doesn't come with any sort of proof.
Also when did some people start referring to themselves as yoruba ?

all your maps and video prove nothing for you.

stop spamming with all this repeated links that you post everywhere on nairaland that are actually irrelevant to your argument. Nowhere in your maps is it portrayed that Benin controlled Lagos

I'm beginning to think you have some form of mental disorder in its early stages

here's one of the maps, lagos area is clearly separated from Bini

historyworld031:
You still don't understand that you guys are merely scribes of urban legends.
You do not qualify as historians.
You know as much about history as my 7 year old nephew. Oh my nephew is going to be pissed when he reads this. Nephew, I meant no insult to you.

so in other words... you don't know how to tell african history or any historian at all who can?

RedboneSmith:
I have read Professor Akintoye's works, both in international peer-reviewed journals and in book collections and I am still looking for his book 'History of the Yoruba People'. There is no doubt he is an erudite scholar of international standing.

But I think he is being a little bit economical with the truth here. When the interviewer asked him if the Kingdom of Lagos existed before the arrival of Benin people, I think it was obvious he was asking about Eko on the island and not about Isheri and Ota on the mainland. We know Aworis had organised small kingdoms in Isheri and Ota before Benin incursion, but I see no evidence that they had established a Kingdom and a dynasty at Eko pre-Benin contact.

I am sure the venerable professor knows this too and was just being dodgy.

finally, somebody that actually can talk history.

You are right as I would say he dodged questions, i feel the interviewer was more interested in 16th century events rather than the Yoruba, Edo, Igbo etc split he seemed to hammer on

SicilianMafia:
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Stop typing rubbish!..... Go school you nor Gree

look at this piece of trash who is still trying to find his way in life. you must be an idiotic slowpoke

historyworld031:
oral tradition is not history and language is not history neither.
If this is how you guys deal with history in nigeria then you are not at the same level with yeour peers in europe, america, russia, asia and all.
Oral "history" is nothing but tales mostly fabricated.
Just like the legend of hercules was also an oral "history" and the tales of the wonders of Odin was also an oral "history".
Real history relies on historical documents, not tales.
You guys are not serious.
The funny thing is that there actually are enough historical documents to go back at least 600 years, what type of fooool would ignore those documents and focus on tales ?
Yoruba have no history, all you have are some incredible tales of things which you alledge took place thousands of years ago and got to your knowledge by oduduwa magic.
By the way, father christmass is also an oral "history".
Oduduwa is the yoruba "father christmas" to me.
You know nothing about history, go to europe and get into an internship with a history lab, see how they conduct research and try to emulate that instead of merely writing down tales of sun and moon light.

see mr. doctor turned historian

oya tell us how to tell african history since the real historians are wrong according to you

and answer my earlier question - mention 3 historians who are more recognized than Akintoye in African studies particularly Yoruba concentrated History. To just do justice to this post, lemme add that Oral history is the foundation of the discipline of History, before anything is ever written in a book as a historical text, it passes around first - Orally!
The legendary father of History - Herodotus relied greatly on orally passed information, so did ibn Battuta

shut up about this europe nonsense; as i said before, I'm sure you are not in Europe but some village in Edo or Delta state spewing trash cause data is cheap in Nigeria

it doesnt matter what oduduwa is to you, what matters is what experts think, you are not relevant...sorry!

historyworld031:
Oh, I pity you.
Nigerian education is worthless, that is why all the elite take their kids to school in europe or america.
Sorry but you can't compete with me.
Here is a brief lesson on history for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSrI7pVo4lo
If you are not a skeptic then you have no place in the world of research, you are worshipping the likes of akintoya without putting their "work" to scrutini. That is why you can't be taken seriously Akintoye is abusing you with the oldest 41 scam in the world.
This reminds me of that doctor who kept prescribing expensive treatments to his patients who never questionned him because he had the best degree. It went on for a while and the doctor got immensely rich until one of his patients accidentally discovered that his "best doctor" was indeed the best doctor but he was running a scam on his patients in order to get rich.
I don't know your akintoye, I have never heard of him in any history lesson in europe, and I don't know any professor who has heard of him.
Your akintoye is nothing but a story teller, he should be writing best sellers in the science fiction section.

pity me? see bolo

ive told you to stop acting like you know historical science. Leave history to prople who study it and actually have a say in the discipline

Your video doesn't buttress your point
The video emphasized what every deligent history student already knows - "source material"
Without source material any tale is just a tale not history... that's what I do, I don't go making up history like some Ekaledehan story you and many bini people peddle without recourse for "source material" or evidence to back up said source

And when we talk about sub Saharan historical research we look into oral traditions as the primary source material, for evidence we examine oral traditions from other places, rituals and objects, language etc

Akintoye is not your father's mate, if you don't know him that's because you are not into history. Those who are historians have endorsed his books, a simple Google search will help your life.
Lemme ask you mention 3 reputable historians who would trump Akintoye on Yoruba history? If you don't know something just shut up, nairaland forming upon what you cannot be rewarded for

Why not face the medicine you claim to study in France?

People have been calling him Igwe of football for years

historyworld031:
This is nonensical. History relies on historical documents, not feelings and ethnocentrism.
I have difficulties calling this guy a historian because he is not acting as such.
Thank God I studied in europe right from primary school, they were able to teach me the sense of the word history.
You can't tell a story which happened more than 1000 years ago without documents made 1000 years ago or archeological dicoveries.
Now this guy is talking about things he alledges happened 3000 years ago and he has nothing to back his claims except his degree ?!
That is not how history works, having a degree doesn't make you above scrutiny, your work is supposed to be seen and published with all the proof backing it just like in any other accademic field. You can't just start making things up because you have a doctorate in history. This is the reason nobody takes yoruba historians seriously.

This Fool again


I am almost sure this whole "studied in France" talk is a lie. You dont see other people on this forum going about making noise about studying in Europe. You don't know where I study so shut the hell up about studying in Europe...nobody cares, what are you doing with your "European education"? After all your so call French education you still aren't exposed enough to let go of petty Nigerian ethnic sentiments?

Worse you are not trained in the field of history or any form of social science.

Akintoye happens to be one of the most reputable historians in West Africa. His book on Yoruba history happens to be used all over Europe in African Studies lectures. But you? Who are you? Who takes you seriously?
Some loser slowpoke comes here cus of the privilege of the internet to spew thrash about an actual intellectual

HeWrites:
Apart from graduating from Morgan State University, Twitter user, Esther Ayomide also had another surprise waiting for her on her special day.

According to her, her dad who was deported to Nigeria when she was 8, showed up at her graduation and yes she did cry so much.

Her tweet read;
“15 years ago my dad was handcuffed and taken away from me. He was deported back to Nigeria. I thought i would NEVER see my dad. Yesterday I saw my dad my first time since i was 8. God made it so that he can see me walk across that stage. GOD I THANK YOU !!!! I cried so much”

http://www.torimill.com/2017/12/man-deported-to-nigeria-when-daughter.html

Lalasticlala Mynd44 Dominique

The US is a real shitty country. In most European countries, the father wouldn't be deported like that, separated from his young child

Sytasteme:
Please watch Emmanuel tv and I tell you, you will get your answer

does Emmanuel Tv offer Psychiatric services?

Cus the Man's problem is Psychological

plaetton:
Ahhh!!!
You said it before me.

bro, its a sad thing really

One even posted that the op should engage in a conversation with his toilet, command the toilet to be flushed by fire or something
what a waste of spirit commanding powers

intrepidJ:
I am from Edo State but born and bred in Lagos, with no ties to my state of origin. My grandfather however was a native doctor, and as a kid before the age of 7 or 8 I remember my father taking me to some dirty native doctors place where I am sometimes made to take a shower. I have had incisions made on my body with blades after which some dark substance is robed on it.

My dad is a born again Christian now, prays and fasts often. My question is will the FOUR generational curses mentioned in the bibe affect me?even though my father who is now born again must have broken the curse with prayers? My life is a mess. I suffered untold emotional abuse growing up. My adult hood is no different. I am victimized everywhere, people take undue advantage and make mockery of me. What I find really bizzare is people coming together to gossip about me where ever I got I find this very odd, I am always hated, despised, lied against, unjustly accused. It goes on and on. I'm 34 now, will likely never get married because I have OCD and am Schizotipal, but i can live with that. But i am currently facing spiritual affliction by some bastards who accuse me of dabbling Into witchcraft and bewitching them. An entire family have waged a spiritual war on me, for what I did not do.

Heres the puzzling thing. I go on my knees and cry to God for help. God always responds immediately, but then they come back. I was made to understand that they are trying to take my life but God almighty stands in their way. At home I see cockroaches anywhere I am, in places they have no busines being there. When I play gospel songs by Paul Wilbur some thing strange happens, cockroaches starts coming out of their hidden places to die in my living room. There are birds all monitoring me each time I step out. I leave home and run to the hotel they still somehow locate me.

Recently my toilets keeps getting clogged. If I fix it today within 48 hours it will mysteriously get clogged again, I fix it it repeats the circle. I have another toilet downstairs exactly the same phenomenon. It's gotten so bad I cannot even use the toilets anymore, so I left the house. There us this bizzare smell that permeates my house and as a consequences i have been forced to live in isolationist. I have no friends, it seems to me %80 of my friends are into juju or witchcraft.

I was just watching a tape on monitoring spirits when I came across generational curses and its effect on generations as far down as the 4th generations. Could this be why I keep getting hated, lied about, gossiped about and taken advantage of?

Pls shut up and stop blaming tradition for your problems. what you have is Schizophrenia

Religion has really messed up some africans

Edited: You even clearly stated that you have OCD - a mental disorder, what you need is medication not more religious bullshit that would worsen your situation

The translation from @kenzico is exact

but I would guess they are scammers

googi:
Which one you be? Abeokuta or Benin

LMAO. Yoruba history is just a joke to many

Habakus:
“I never said Bini owned Lagos… "
And you never said Yorubas owned Lagos, right?
Are you now implying Lagos is a no man's land?
Smh. This is what you get when people deliberately attempt to twist history; you'll say one thing today and a different thing tomorrow, according to the political climate.
But we all know the truth: if anyone should claim ownership of Lagos., then it should be the Binis.

then what happens to the people that own the land?

You people just talk without using reason

RedboneSmith:
Ikwerre dialects are very divergent na. Kay Williamson says that Ikwerre has more divergence in it than all of Igbo put together. She may have exaggerated, but the divergence in Ikwerre is indeed big. It is possible the woman in the first scenario was speaking a dialect from its Northern axis. Me, I have heard Obio-Akpor dialects and sh*t was practically undecipherable. And I was told it gets worse the further south you go.

Interesting