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To all intelligent beings (angels and humans) God gave freewill so they can choose to do His will or disobey. He is always happy so He doesn't derive pleasure in seeing His children been forced to do what is right it's when they obey Him from their hearts that makes Him happy! Proverbs 27:11

So both angels as well as humans can choose to obey or disobey God!

There's no need getting annoyed over this just present your rebuttal if you want to challenge God's word do it openly.
God created everything and it was all GOOD, it was in heaven and earth God created intelligent beings, angels in heaven and humans on earth.

So from where did Satan come? Proverbs 2:1-5

Techobeys:
I think you don’t know what you’re teaching. I just ask you to show me biblical proof that Satan is an angel but you chose to blab. I’m waiting for you pls. If Satan joins the sons of God, does that mean Satan is an angel. See this example: when all the black kids gathered, a white kid joined them. Does that in anyway say the white kid is a black? Stop peddling false narrative pls. I’m a Christian but I don’t like when people like you propel false narrative and cause unbelievers to question the authenticity of the word. Kindly take time to learn pls. If you find the fact I asked for, kindly reach out.

Techobeys:
How do you know it’s an angel that became devil? Is there a single biblical proof that’s realistically establishes that?

After that God saw everything he had made, and look! it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, a sixth day! Genesis 1:31

God created EVERYTHING and all was GOOD!


Now the day came when the sons of the true God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and Satan also entered among them! Job 1:6

God's sons (angels) took their positions before him and Satan decided to take his own position too in the midst of God's spirit sons! Job 38:7

You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie! John 8:44

After God created Satan he chose to alienate himself from God and he began recruiting others to join him, sadly Adam and Eve were Satan's first recruits.


So where could this evil genius have come if he is not one of God's creation that was GOOD in the beginning! Genesis 1:31

NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION!

Jokanem:
Did God Create the Devil?

The Bible shows that God did not create the Devil.

Instead, He created the person who became the Devil.

Regarding God, the Bible says: “Perfect is his activity, for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness, with whom there is no injustice; righteous and upright is he.” (Deuteronomy 32:3-5)

From that statement, we can conclude that Satan the Devil was at one time perfect and righteous, namely, one of God’s angelic sons.

At John 8:44, Jesus said that the Devil “did not stand fast in the truth,” implying that Satan had at one time been truthful and guiltless.

However, like the rest of Jehovah’s intelligent creatures, the angel who became Satan had the freedom to choose between right and wrong.

By choosing a course in opposition to God and inciting the first human couple to join him, he made himself Satan, which means “Resister.”—Genesis 3:1-5; Revelation 12:9.

elated177:
You mean the same criminal that never had the opportunity for an encounter with Yahushua the Messiah prior to the one on the stake?

Ọmọ with what is recorded regarding their conversation both thieves knew Jesus very well they both acknowledged that he's a miracle worker and a great teacher but while one was asking for an escape from punishment the other begged Jesus to remember him in Jesus' Kingdom.

From that it's obvious both of them knew much more than you do about Jesus:

They both knew he is going to be the king of God's Kingdom!

Courz:
Yes. By their Fruits you shall know them. 😀
God's Holy Spirit is really working amongst you. 😂

When you read a statement just try meditating so as to grasp what the Author is saying.

"By their FRUITS" means each religion will surely have it's fruit but then just like real trees that only produce fruits in a geographical location on the planet but can't grow elsewhere you will see that some religions will only work what seems good in just a part for instance Islam is what Saudi Arabia is practicing and to an extent this religion has maintained peace in that part of the world but how are members of this same religion doing in other places?

Come to Jehovah's Witnesses organization the members of this same religion are performing just the same way throughout the earth despite the fact that members are born, bread and brought up in those places before they embraced this religion yet it's the same fruit everywhere.

So do you know a better performing group that has gone throughout the world converting people to have the same line of thought like that? John 17:22

God's Holy people!

When open-minded individuals come around where God's people converge there's no way you won't see the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit {Galatians 5:22-23} and praise the true God {Matthew 5:14-16} whose spirit is working in the gathering of imperfect humans.

Individually all humans have the trait of sin in us as flesh this is why Paul listed the works of the flesh which all imperfect humans have one way or the other {Galatians 5:19-21} Paul himself admitted that the same is affecting him because he lives in the flesh like all other humans! Romans 7:15-23

But how do we now know the difference between true and false religion?

Jesus answered "by their FRUITS" Matthew 7:16-18
When you meet people from different religion in your neighbourhood each will display the traits of sinful flesh because we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God! Romans 3:23

But because God's Holy Spirit is working in the midst of God's people you will see the fruit of this spirit as imperfect humans works together! James 2:18-26

So even though we will always see one fault or another in individuals {Galatians 2:11-14} the spirit of God will make use of this same humans to produce fine WORKS!

To illustrate we all know that 99.9% of Nigerians are corrupt but if a leader who isn't corrupt should head the people you will see the change not in each individual because they are corrupt but the policy a good leader enforce will make this same corrupt people do things differently from the way they used to do it before the emergence of a good leader.

That's exactly what Jesus did to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES with the power of God's Holy Spirit but then a critic may come up to contest that since members of this group aren't perfect their gathering shouldn't be declared HOLY.

Let them know that HOLINESS doesn't mean you won't find something to say against the gathering but you can never ever find a better replacement for the group in whose midst the spirit of God is working! Isaiah 54:17

HellVictorinho7:
dey play

Next time don't quote me!

HellVictorinho7:
u wan fight

If your begging business isn't helping you i've told you to go and find another job instead of quoting me because i won't give you a dime.

I will rather give a hardworking person who will value it knowing fully well that i gave him due to seeing him working hard!

Did you just say "FAMOUS" that aren't known?

Please how are they famous if they're not known?

Michael Jackson is famous than these gods because there's no country on this planet where people don't know him yet these so called gods aren't even known among Africans.

So in what way are they famous?

HellVictorinho7:
what is the use of this?

Beggars has their own religion so whether they beg in the name of Jesus, Allah, Krishna, Ọbalúayé, Ọ̀ṣun, Ògún or any other God they all see themselves as fellow believers as their occupation made them brothers.

Next time think very well before quoting me, if you come typing rubbish simply because they don't give you money never try that with me again otherwise i will add to your suffering!

HellVictorinho7:
Maynman

I don't think he's your fellow worshiper because i've not seen him begging people for money here!

MightySparrow:
What about Methodits and Anglicans?

Go and ask them!

Wagwanbrethren:
So, there's no mental instability among your own congregation?
Read again and see how ignorant you sound!
Una own self worse.

All humans are not normal from the viewpoint of Bible's Author {Psalms 53:3} Jesus also confirmed this when he walked the earth {Luke 18:19} of course Jesus is the best but since he lived among millions of people who have been alienated from God {Romans 3:23} their attitude sometimes affects him too! John 2:15

So after commissioning a group of preachers he promised them that they will surely prove to be wiser than all their contemporaries if they stick to his teachings {Act 1:8} some people will like to carry his name "Jesus" on their heads yet they will not care for equity which supposed to be the guidelines for Jesus' group these ones he will reject during his inspection {Matthew 7:21-23} so anyone who can't cope with soundness of heart will surely leave the organization of Jesus' disciples {1John 2:19} but then they can't find any other global family having love, joy and peace so they will continue hanging behind the fence of the camp where God's people worship gnashing their teeth outside the camp!

So can such ones be sane?
NO! That's why this one resort to killing the people he has known for so long simply because they disciplined him which he supposed to welcome as something needed to help him grow up to maturity!

From the perspective of faithless people who doesn't see anything worthwhile in those having faith the answer to your question will surely be YES! Matthew 10:25
But from the perspective of those hungry and thirsty for righteousness sake {Matthew 5:6} they will know the truth which will set them free from Satan's tactics of recruiting killers {John 8:32} so they will have the same line of thought with their Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus who also have the same line of thought with his father and God {John 17:22} since faith is not a possession of all kinds of people {2Thessalonians 3:2} faithless miscreants won't see anything good in the organization of faithful people who have formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally! Isaiah 2:2-4

Well it's not compulsory that everyone commend what is good {Isaiah 5:20} after all the righteousness of God's own people is from above {Isaiah 54:17} that's why the true God declared them "HOLY" {1Peter 2:9} that doesn't mean faithless miscreants won't find something to say against Jehovah, Jesus or the organization but they can never ever find a better replacement for JEHOVAH nor can they find a better counselor than Jesus nor can they find a better performing group than God's organization.
That's what being HOLY means!

HellVictorinho7:
nonsense

Begging on social media is also a religion!

Esoresor:
You still apply this even when a life is involved? Come on

My guy, it's the Maker who issued this warning so if you feel you're smarter trying to save your life using what He has warned you not to use then you're on your own. It's only when a JW upholds God's word that faithless people do make it a big story but where thousands are dying despite been transfused they won't tell you! Matthew 16:25

The truth is each person's body formation is determined by the mixture of blood from a father and a mother that gives birth to that person. Immediately after conception the fetus has started it's own life any inflow of blood into that place where the fetus is growing will lead to deformities!

The baby must continue feeding on whatever nutrients the mother is getting that why pregnant women are instructed to be careful of whatever they take into their body.

So when the child has come out of the mother the only safe fluid from the mother's body for the child is breast milk, God has prepared this to help the baby continue feeding from the same body in which the fetus grew to that stage.

If after the child has discontinued this process whatever causes a mixture of his or her blood with any other creature be it human or beast will surely lead to a disaster in the future because the body formation which should hing on the blood in that body has been tampered with.

Now there's a clear difference between being WISE and being INTELLIGENT, the intelligent person may find a quick solution to a problem but only the wise thinks of permanent solution to problems. The blood transfusion may seem good from the start just as using excrement as medicine did in ancient times but it will surely lead to another disaster that the intelligent one who suggested it can't find a way out of it!

HellVictorinho7:
nonsense

Begging people for money on social media is also a religion!

Esoresor:
They’ve never given any clear and genuine answer to this. Aside this, they are very morally upright

This means you haven't allowed a JW to teach you what we believe.
The Bible said God created humans in his own image {Genesis 1:26} so we believe He should know about our body system much more than any human doctor. Before Noah's time people don't eat flesh it's only vegetables and fruits, when the foods stored inside the Ark has finished God instructed Noah and his family to kill and eat animals but with a strict warning:

Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. Just as I gave you the green vegetation, I give them all to you. Only flesh with its life—its blood—you must not eat. Genesis 9:3-4

This is coming from the Creator Himself as rule guiding us on what shouldn't enter our body if we want to enjoy sound health as long as we live! Act 15:28-29

So if human doctors now says taking in blood into our body system is going to help us we stick to the instruction given by the Maker of our body rather than listening to a doctor whose motto is:
"we care but God heals"
Our full trust regarding sound health and safety of life is in the Creator Himself if we patronize a health official we're not going to give him such 100% trust since he's not the maker of our body all he's going to do is trial and error! Psalms 146:3-6

Thanks, God bless you and may you have PEACE!

MightySparrow:
Tell Antichristian to lead his brethren to my village first. Hahaha

He has his own religion and i doubt if he will be disobedient to what his religion says directly.
You claimed you're pentecostal though i don't know what that means but since you've responded with "NO" to the order Jesus gave his own disciples i don't have anything more to say to you!

Most of these so called pastors are just zealous with no knowledge {Romans 10:1-3} in the congregation there are many things people does in secret that's unscriptural but since they're hiding it from the public it means their conscience is still working.
Jesus never taught us to expose a congregant to the public rather we are to call and help him since he's already remorseful, doing it in the secret shows he knows what he's doing is wrong so the next thing to do is call him and speak to him one on one to help him! Matthew 18:15
It's when he refused to stop that such will be made known publicly not by revealing what he did to the congregation but by either reproving him before the congregation (if he turns out to be sober) or disfellowship (when he chooses to justify himself) Matthew 18:15-17
During Jesus' day Jews don't greet or eat with tax collectors in their midst so Jesus' order is that Christians should treat disfellowshiped ones the same way! Romans 16:17; Titus 3:10; 2John 10

Jesus knew Judas Iscariot was a thief stealing from the gifts received by a small group of 13 members (Jesus and the twelve apostles) but Jesus never embarrassed Judas Iscariot publicly. John 12:4-6
We can all borrow a leaf from that!

Janosky:
Oga,do you believe in Matthew24:10-20?
Pls,kindly explain verse by verse.
Thanks.

My brother, Sparrow doesn't believe (trust) in Jesus at all, otherwise he wouldn't have responded to Jesus' own order like this:

MaxInDHouse:
I know you will come with your faithlessness but there is a difference between those that stick to Jesus' order to flee communities where they're not welcomed {Matthew 10:23} and JWs who are practicing there faith in a country where there's no threat to religious freedom.

So you don't know what you're saying because those been killed in places where their religion is not welcomed have denied the faith in Christ Jesus who issued the order that we should flee from such areas!

MightySparrow:
K'aje people should leave their land for infidels
No way Sir! So if Boko Haram and Antichristian want to Islamize Nigeria, I should flee to Niger.
I forbid and God forbid.

If his response to what Jesus said is:
"No way Sir"
There's no need wasting time on him, that's exactly what he would have told Jesus face to face if he happens to be Jesus' contemporary in the first century!

Middleborn:
A man has given an honest appraisal of the first wedding ceremony he attended conducted by Jehovah's witnesses. Do you guys agree with his assessment? What do you think?


"I witnessed a Jehovah's Witnesses wedding for the first time in my life.

It was so simple and serene. The congregants all appeared down-to-earth. No drums and instruments or chanting, just humans talking with humans soothingly. It feels good to experience something different once a while.

The groom couldn't wait to unveil his wife's face and kiss da heck outta her lips. He got everyone laughing so cheerfully.

And oh, I loved the closing song, especially the chorus. The harmony and passion with which the congregants sang was so heartwarming:

"Love—unfailing love—
That’s what Jehovah gives.
That’s what he is.

Love—unfailing love—
That’s what we need to live.
And the love here today,
In our heart may it stay."

And to that I said amen.

Congratulations to you and your husband, my good friend Mercy Orlu

Your Co-Traveler,
Mister Maple".

Ọmọ that place looks really familiar and sure we can't play any kind of song in that very venue but if it's the usual event centers out there we go dance different music o.

Well everything you said is just the truth except the music and dancing steps you never saw in that place, we do dance a lot and enjoy different kind of secular music so don't be surprise when next you attend our wedding and see my people dancing Buga or Cough by Kiss Daniel!

MightySparrow:
Hahahaha. And JWs has less than 500 members in Israel. that nobody persecutes Continue to flee.

But you said you're also a sound history student, how come you don't know that Israel has been a wartorn area over the centuries which has led their government to approve all forms of religion?

Persecution only comes from a place where the people insist on a particular religion or detests a form of worship despite varieties in their community.

The killer in this case was a goat discovered in the midst of sheep and just as Jesus has said that this is the time of separation {Matthew 13:30} many of them are leaving the organization due to effect of the angels sorting out the fine seeds amount the weeds. So frustrated that he's been exposed he resort to violence instead of going to another religion, of course he knew very well that there's none out there that's why he killed those in the camp and also committed suicide instantly.

Well he has been disfellowshiped already so the heavens has also rejected him {Matthew 16:19} as for those he killed he just help them to hasting their long journey during this time of tribulations because their characters (souls) are well stored in God's memory book! Matthew 10:28

Now you know what is giving your friends like oteneaaron (Courz) and so many other ex-jws sleepless nights, they're now gnashing their teeth outside the camp in the outer darkness, they really hate us with passion and they feel like hurting us because they knew very well what we're going to gain for remaining OBEDIENT to Jesus' brothers! Matthew 25:34

immanuelsize:
are you comparing yourself to jesus?

Well that's the man called "CHRIST" whose footsteps i'm following as a CHRISTIAN! 1Peter 2:21

Blupen:
This is deeper than you can ever imagine, it is not for people like you

Guy everyone has a religion but most people don't know they're worshiping something.

Let's enlighten you!

Whatever you can't do without but other humans live there lives normally without giving it the same priority has become your god!

So your fellow addicts practicing that thing are your fellow worshipers!

MightySparrow:
K'aje people should leave their land for infidels
No way Sir! So if Boko Haram and Antichristian want to Islamize Nigeria, I should flee to Niger.
I forbid and God forbid.

The highlighted is not for MaxInDHouse but for the man who said this:

"When they persecute you in one city, flee to another; for truly I say to you, you will by no means complete the circuit of the cities of Israel until the Son of man arrives" Matthew 10:23

If you're above Jesus, JWs are not! Matthew 10:24

elated177:
What point were you trying to make?

The criminal Jesus promised Paradise wasn't perfect!

MightySparrow:
MaximumSide and Co. will come and say that the only 'true worshippers' are attacked. Those Goptic people killed in Egypt, the Chibok people, the Southern Kaduna Christians in constant attacks about to be annihilated by brothers of Antichristian are not worshippers and died not for their faith in Jesus because they don't belong to JWs.
See delusion (MaximumSide) vs wickedness (Antichristian)
RIP to the dead.

I know you will come with your faithlessness but there is a difference between those that stick to Jesus' order to flee communities where they're not welcomed {Matthew 10:23} and JWs who are practicing there faith in a country where there's no threat to religious freedom.

So you don't know what you're saying because those been killed in places where their religion is not welcomed have denied the faith in Christ Jesus who issued the order that we should flee from such areas!

Blupen:
Hmmmm, you are still young you won't understand me....

Well i'm a grandpa i think you can't find a rebuttal at the level i took you but it's OK i can understand!

Flamemignon1:
You are right but it can never be the same for everyone despite the fact that it should be everyone's aspiration to the same version of what morality should be

It's possible with GOD (SUPREME BEING) in the picture {Matthew 19:26} that's the undeniable benefit of faith in God! Hebrews 11:1

If we can all agree on the fact that intelligent beings should have one most intelligent and all wise leader after all this that's why we do have rulers chosen among the most intelligent in our society you may not agree but that office belongs to GOD! Jeremiah 10:23

Blupen:
This set of people are extremely wicked flee from them

What do you mean by RELIGIOUS?

I'm asking because all humans are religious depending on what each person choose to do (religiously)

Whatever you can boycott but stick to it as if your life depends on it has become your own religion. For instance smoking weed could become your religion if you can't do without it yet most people live their lives without it and they're doing fine!