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Takulukutaaji:
Beautiful, but this is not the same as payment of Tithe which is a tenth of one's earning.

The Israelites speaking Hebrews language that became Christians were expecting the tithing to continue but they're confused because the Jews have driven away Christians from the temple so some of them still goes secretly to pay the tithe to Levites but the Levites rejected Jesus. That's why Paul wrote in that letter to the Hebrew speaking Christians that Melchizedek was much more important than Aaron because he collected tithe from Abraham their forefather while Levi the father of all the Levites was still inside the body of Abraham, therefore we can say Levi himself paid tithe to Melchizedek since he was in the bosom of Abraham when Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek in exchange for blessing. Hebrews 7:1-15

So who is authorized to receive tithes from all worshipers of God now?

It's Jesus Christ the one who came in the order of Melchizedek and what is Christ demanding from us? It's our time that we can spare to work for him in preaching zealously and industriously teaching in our neighbourhood about God's Kingdom.

So if anyone is paying tithes to humans today let them know that they've been scammed Jesus is the one receiving our tithes directly and it has nothing to do with money but our time. That's why the rich man was saddened because he could afford to pay Jesus if it was monetary tithing or farm produce but Jesus told him it's his time that is required! Luke 18:18-23

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Otunbakayce:
Bastard, always quoting scriptures to support their criminality. Exactly how my JW nurse was quoting scriptures of forgiveness to blackmail me after stealing huge amount of money.

Ọmọ you can only run but you can't hide JWs are the one and only organization practicing what Jesus taught. Nobody is saying members of the group are perfect but when it comes to equity JWs are God's people.
You're free to present a better performing group if you know any but Catholics and Anglicans are no way closer to JWs in handling issues maturely. That's what God's people has been known for thousands of years back they never claimed they're perfect humans.
So go and sit down!

TradingGod:
are Christians not the spiritual seed of Abraham?

Surely the seed of Abraham is not more than just one person "CHRIST" Galatians 3:16

But then after these single seed was sown it germinated and brought fruits these first fruits of this planted seed appeared at pentecost 33 ce when 120 Jews were also baptized in the spirit the same way Jesus was baptized with the Holy Spirit! Matthew 3:16-17

This first fruits supposed to be 144,000 in number {Revelations 14:1} but the natural Israelites who are supposed to make up that number rejected Jesus {Matthew 22:2-14} that's why God invited none Israelites to complete the number! John 1:11-12

After that number has been sealed millions will be blessed by the works of these spiritual Jews! Zechariah 8:23

So the seed of Abraham is just one person and that is CHRIST it's the first fruit Jesus was referring to when he said whoever acknowledges them has also acknowledged him! Matthew 25:34-46

May you have PEACE!

Otunbakayce:
What a fool! Your elders and members fight amongst themselves, you segregate yourselves into rich and poor. The rich won't want the poor among you to marry their children. You visit herbalists and spiritualists then carry Bible during the day to go on field service.
Don't quote me again with your nonsense.

OLÓDO (Dullard)

You're now feeling the heat shey?

Next time you no go start wetin you no fit finish!

The elders quarrel among themselves the same happened between Paul and Barnabas {Act 15:2} the rich segregate themselves from the poor that's why Jesus warned us we can't eradicate poverty in Christianity {Matthew 26:11} The rich won't want their children to marry the poor that's why Jesus' cousin couldn't afford enough wine during his wedding {John 2:1-3} and i personally visits herbalists to get different ÀGBO for my healthcare. 1Timothy 5:23

But never will JW support carrying weapons against anyone like your Catholic and Anglican fathers will bless the weapons of war so that you can continue killing both your enemies {Matthew 5:43-48} your neighbours {Mark 12:31} and even your fellow Catholics and Anglicans! John 13:34-35

Ken4Christ:
You are not born again because you don't believe that Jesus rose from the dead bodily.
Half belief is unbelief.

Ọmọ you're empty headed!

First of all you asked me to repent but when you don't know the sin i committed you said it's Adamic sin which includes you too, later you turn to believe in Jesus i told you he is my Master Lord and King, when you don't know what to say you jump to born again issue now you are confused because Jesus never said it's about his resurrection case.

Ọmọ you're just a deluded churchgoer claiming believer in Christ;

Otunbakayce:
To lie and twist God's word is what you delusional folks are trained to do before they are baptised. Your founder took hold of King James Bible twisted and interpreted it to suit their evil agenda to control fools like you who can't think or activate their sense of reasoning.

I will forever remain their zombie than to allow your pastors turn me into bodyguards fighting for them while their own children are safely taken away from the war zone but they will bless the weapons of war for you to kill your neighbours including those whom you met in Jerusalem pilgrimage as fellow believers!

Otunbakayce:
Jehovah witnesses are the definition of the word "hypocrisy". There is nothing you want to tell me or the whole world. My friends are JW, my gf is a JW though not baptised, my staff you stole blindly is a JW, my neighbour who defrauded people in the estate and even his fellow JW is a jw. What else do you want to say that I don't know? You guys are trained to lie.
Keep living in your foolish paradise and fvck off please.

You don't know the meaning of that word you're just talking without thinking.

Here's the key for you to enter into the garden of divine wisdom:

Only JWs worship together as one family where none of them is encouraged to pick up weapons against his fellow believer due to politics. Isaiah 2:2-4
Your Catholics and Anglicans are there in Russia and Ukraine killing one another in the name of their God and their priests are praying for both sides to win the war. Revelations 6:3-4
Which hypocrisy is higher than that?
Worshipers of the same God unable to settle their differences without killing one another {2Timothy 3:5} and their religious leaders will pray for them to continue killing themselves.
Before this war it's the same Anglicans and Catholics in Russia who told Putin to ban JWs because they're preaching PEACE in the ears of their people!

Takulukutaaji:
How do we pay tithes directly to Christ

Takulukutaaji:
What is it that we pay to Christ and how do we pay it?

Jesus demands our time to join his disciples in preaching zealously, industriously teaching and making disciples.
Time is money so instead of working 24/7 for money we must spare some time to join other disciples of Christ to go out there and do the work he assigned to all his disciples! Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8
Failure to meet up with this simply means we are worship riches not God! Matthew 6:19-21 compare to Luke 18:18-23

Otunbakayce:
Those two denomination are not hypocritical I have attended most churches from Christ embassy, RCCG, winners, Harvesters, Daystar e.t.c to being very close to JW. I can boldly tell you that the level of hypocrisy is very low or non existent in those two aforementioned denominations.

Definitely you don't know the meaning of that word "HYPOCRISY" you're just furious for nothing. The only religion where hypocrisy dies and can't flourish is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.
I dare you to challenge this fact and let me prove it to everyone here!

Otunbakayce:
Absolute trash from a deluded fellow. This is exactly how you people quotes scriptures upside down to defend your nonsense lifestyle. God bless you and may you not have PEACE.

Thanks to God you can't refute what i said using God's word you're just being overly sensitive to what you can't debunk.

Ken4Christ:
I am not giving you my viewpoint. It's what the word of God says. In summary, born again is a spiritual rebirth through the agency of the Spirit of God and the word of God - 1 Peter 1:23, John 3:5-6. The water in John 3:5 represents the word of God - Ephesians 5:26.
Your role is to believe in Jesus and Confess him as your Lord and Saviour. God does the miracle - Romans 10:9-10, John 3:16.

Jesus only mentioned the word BORN AGAIN in that chapter so if your own understanding is what you just typed then i am BORN AGAIN!

Johel:
Ok

Alright my friend!

Autobot05:
I try my best to .. and I'm not a teacher

What evidence do you have that you're trying your best to live by your religious teaching?

Well all disciples of Christ must be teachers of God's word! Matthew 28:20

Johel:
Ok o...Na your opinion be that and you proved me right that Jehovah witness people's beliefs doesn't align with other Christians.

NO! It's the line of thought of millions across the globe following Jesus of Nazareth {John 17:22} so if you find anyone who doesn't agree with this know today that such a person is not a disciple of the man who said all his disciples must have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23} such a person is on his or her own {Luke 11:23} that's why Jesus said he will deny them during the judgment.
WHY? Because they lack equity! Matthew 7:21-23

Otunbakayce:
Absolute trash! Go to the reception and see exactly the opposite of what they did at the kingdom Hall. Hypocrisy lives amongst Jehovah witnesses.

emerged01:
JW are well organized when it comes to carrying out activities.

Autobot05:
Its not all about pretending to be nice and all that bla bla bla in church.. what you do in your private life counts. I'm still yet to meet a JW member that lives according to their teaching ( I'm sorry to say ) right from my sec school days till date

What most people failed to grasp is that what JWs are teaching totally negates the lifestyles we're all used to, it reminds me of what Jesus' disciples asked him when he was teaching this same thing back then:

They became still more astounded and said to him: “Who possibly can be saved?” Mark 10:26
This was exactly the response of Jesus' disciples while he was teaching them what JWs are teaching today because it totally negates what we are all used to.

But then Jesus answered:

Looking straight at them, Jesus said: “With men it is impossible but not so with God, for all things are possible with God” Mark 10:27

So Jesus is hereby telling us that no human can meet up this standard if we are to study each person individually our imperfect state will always overshadow whatever we learn no matter how seriously we take it! Romans 7:15-23

But if that's the case then how can we be sure that we are practicing pure worship?

Jesus answered:

"By their FRUITS you will know them" Matthew 7:16

Jesus told us that there will be lots of false prophets claiming they're teachers of God's word {Matthew 7:15} so it's what is happening when we look at those following them as one body that will reveal if these teachers are truly working for God or not.

Remember that both those teaching and those been taught are all imperfect so we will always notice some flaws in what they're doing but then since God is in their midst His Holly Spirit will ORGANIZE these imperfect humans as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers to do God's will. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

So despite the flaws in each imperfect human they will produce the fruit expected of God's people under the control of God's Holy Spirit! James 2:18-26

This is what the OP just discovered not that individual JWs have become perfect due to the sound teaching they received from the Most Wonderful Counselor! Isaiah 9:6

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Guy i don't need all these epistle.

What is the meaning of BORN AGAIN?

I have what it means based on my own study of God's word so say what you know in just one or two sentence so i can see if i'm BORN AGAIN from your viewpoint or not!

Ken4Christ:
Not what I mean but what it means according to the Bible.

To clearly understand its meaning, let's begin from the creation of man and happened to him when he fell in the Garden of Eden.

Man was created in the image and likewise of God. So, man looks like God. Since God is a Spirit, man is also a spirit being.

He came into existence first as a spirit before his body was formed.

Genesis 1:26-28 gave us account of the creation of man. At that point, his body was not yet formed.

His body was formed in Genesis 2. And this made it possible for him to function on earth.

Before his fall, God gave him an instruction not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. He was warned that he will die the very day he eats it.

And when he disobeyed, he didn't physically die that day but he died spiritually.

Spiritual death is alienation from the life of God. It's the death of the spirit of man.

So, born again is the rebirth of the human spirit. It's the spirit of man coming back to life. And it's God who performs the miracle when you accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

Prophet Ezekiel saw it and prophesied about it in Ezekiel 36:26-27.

He said that God will take away the old heart and give you a new heart or a new spirit.

So, when you are given a new spirit, you are born again with the very life and nature of God.

The nature or fruit of this spirit is described in Galatians 5:22-23.

I have a whole book on it. You can place order for a copy. But it's in a PDF format.

obi4eze:
At least we have known you for whom you are.

When people come to Nairaland to talk about Jesus and devil you can't know the mindset of the one talking until when justice calls.
This OP has always claim he is Jesus junior but how Jesus began supporting injustice is what really baffles me.

Aemmyjah:
I disagree
Jehovah is still glorified with or without humans
Psalms mentions that the sun, moon and stars and angels praise him
Jesus told the Pharisees that God can raise stones to praise him
If just comes down to humankind as his people glorify him by their work

You didn't get my point.
Surely a God is glorified by the things He made but in the midst of living intelligent beings no one can convince the other that he or she has any knowledge about the true God when each person does things differently and there is no harmony in thought regarding the God in question.
For instance which of the Gods is responsible for each race in different continent on this planet?
Note that the God those in Asia knew differs from that of red Indians in America which also differs from that of Europeans which also differs from that of Africans.
So if we're to go by the thoughts and practices of each nation then we must conclude that there are different Gods responsible for the life we found in different continent after all our cultural values and traditions contradicts.
That's why it's a must for anyone who wants to speak about God to present the worshipers of God that cut across all races, they must agree on morals and values so that LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL {Galatians 5:22-23} will permeate their gathering. Isaiah 2:2-4
That is the only evidence you can present to prove that the God you're talking about is the Creator of the universe with His ability to make people from different races throughout the earth speak and think alike despite their geographical location! Zephaniah 3:9 compare to John 17:22

In the absence of that then each person is his or her own God and there's is no way an African can convince an Asian that it's the same God that's responsible for all lives on this planet, each will have to face different directions with conflicting doctrines regarding moral values! Luke 11:23

Johel:
Without humans, there was God and there will still be after man goes extinct and if humans become as useless as they are becoming,then God will make the stones more useful.

There's no glory for any God until worshipers suffice because it's the worshipers that gives Him praise not lifeless matters.
So in the absence of a united family of worshipers unanimously praising there is no real God!

Johel:
Nah...God is present everywhere like the air that we breath, God will exist even when the world ends...and many don't share my outlook, few ones do.

The only qualification of being called "GOD" is the availability of worshipers that unanimously acknowledge one being. Where people face different directions in worship then each person is his or her own God!

Johel:
Lol...fukk the church!, Christians to the lions ...I know God the Almighty,the creator...Religion is man made, anything man made is irrelevant to God's entire plan...I don't know Christianity, I know truth.
Never will I be in the gathering of hypocrites, I rather go behind closed door and relate with the Almighty and for sure he acknowledges that even more

I can understand your plight, many share the same outlook but the fact remains that in the absence of a gathering of worshipers there is NO GOD!

Ken4Christ:
The Adamic nature you inherited have to be dealt with first. It's not about any specific sin but about the nature of sin in man. The moment you let Jesus into your life, that nature will be changed. God himself will take away your old heart and give you a new one. This is what it means to be born again.
You must be born again.
Those who are not born again will all end up in hell. But those who are born again stand the chance of making it to heaven if they continue in the faith.

What exactly do you mean by BORN AGAIN?

Johel:
Well...I'm just a neutral being who believes in the Almighty creator... I don't believe in any religion whatsoever.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm that somehow is not the real truth because the title "GOD" means "SUPREME BEING" and the word BELIEVE connotes TRUST so if you're a being but you can't feel the presence of the one who is supreme in any gathering of intelligent beings then you don't believe (trust) in the fact that any being is supreme. It's only in the gathering of intelligent beings that faith in a supreme being can be demonstrated, in the absence of that there is no proof of any supreme being.

To illustrate imagine someone telling you that he trust in a King (supreme ruler) but can't see or present any organized subjects of the so called "King" to cement his TRUST how real is such TRUST or BELIEVE?

Sapiosexuality:
The whole thing doesn't make sense. I will burn in hell because I don't believe in one Jesus guy even though I'm not a bad person? This doesn't make much sense but for real, ignorance is bliss. For real.

Did the OP mention anything like burning in Hell?

SeniorMan715:
How many times can someone dedicate himself to God in prayer?

If you've dedicated yourself once but failed to live up to your dedication all you need is help from the elders to strengthen you! James 5:13-15
God knows you much more than you know yourself {Psalms 103:12-14} that's why He made provisions to help you stand again no matter how many times you fall as long as you're willing to be cured of your spiritual sickness he is also willing to stand by your side {Proverbs 24:16} so never give up He's always by your side! Isaiah 41:10

So keep looking forward to the time when all things will be new, see you there! Luke 23:43

Johel:
Religion is a scam!!.

So in a nutshell you're an atheist or agnostic who is opposed to organized setting when talking about worship, shey?

You're talking about Adamic sin that has taken all humans down from the glory of God {Romans 3:23} i am asking you what sin am i commiting now that you aren't committing because if you're talking about Jesus i have accepted him as my Master, Lord and King.

So instead of beating about the bush just go straight to the sin i committed or committing that made me evil!

Ken4Christ:
The sinful nature we inherited from Adam.
The scripture said that sin came into this world through the disobedience of the first Adam.
In the same way, righteousness came through the obedience of the last Adam, who is Jesus.
Jesus died in our place for the sin of the first Adam. In the mind of justice, our sins have been paid for. But for you to be personally free, you must receive Jesus as your Lord and Saviour. Believe he died for you and that God raised him from the dead to justify you. Then, with your mouth, confess him as your Lord and Saviour. And you will be saved - Romans 10:9-10. This is the simple message of the gospel that brings salvation. The gift of salvation is free. You don't work for it - Ephesians 2:8-9. But after you are saved, you are expected to do good works - Ephesians 2:10. So, please embrace this gospel. Receive Jesus into your heart as your Lord and Saviour.
Anyone who is not saved will end up in the burning hell.

Banilla:
Job didn't do anything... Neither did Abraham although he was treated fairly better. I can't imagine the pain he went through, thinking he must murder his son. Why does God play these mind games? Are they necessary?

From what happened to Job we know the real person behind the order for Abraham to kill his only son. Satan is accusing Abraham of being faithful simply because he now has what he wants (descendant) so just as Satan told God to test Job's loyalty Abraham was called out too by the same accuser who has been accusing all faithful people before God! Revelations 12 :10
If you're reading the Bible like a story book you can never figure out these facts unless you read carefully, study diligently, meditate thoroughly and pray fervently otherwise you'll continue to complicate the whole thing. Proverbs 2:1-6

So it's the same Satan who is behind all those accusations just as he did with Job God must not shield anyone after all we have all sinned and fallen short of God's glory therefore we must prove we are different from Adam who was selfish and self-centered in his attempt to alienate himself from God.

Banilla:
You're still agreeing with me; whether they are being punished for their sins or having their faith tested, God is responsible for their suffering because only he can take the life of a man and all he possesses...

Well your outlook differs from mine because as a father i must allow my son to undergo the surgery that will restore him to perfect health if that's what it will take to do so. Allowing my child to undergo such pain which will fortify him to be stronger than he is presently is an act of love towards him!

Banilla:
Doesn't your God terrify you?

NO! never!
He is all loving, merciful and patient! Psalms 103:12-14

Banilla:
You are misinterpreting the Bible. You make it seem as though the devil made a choice to punish Job because he was favoured by God, when in reality, the devil goaded God into testing the man.

And the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?”

9. Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for no reason?

10. Have you not put a hedge around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11. But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.”

12. And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out your hand.” So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.

The Old testament and New testament combined, the devil's murder count is 10. And these people were the children of Job killed with the permission and approval of God. The devil cannot create life, neither can he take one; it's not within his power. He can only tempt people into doing that. So every unfortunate death, God is in fact responsible (whether he's testing or punishing us).

The New testament God may be kinder but the Old testament God wiped out an entire planet... Don't pretend they are the same.

Also, sin didn't start with Adam and Eve but with Lucifer.

[I'll quote you in the others thread I created]

Ọmọ it's the same God but i'll enlighten you on that later (if you really want to know)
But as for the troubles facing humans it's not from God rather it's men themselves that are the cause of their own misfortune.

Take for instance the case of Sodom and Gomorrah those angels serving as God's eyes saw how toxic the two cities are and the moral damage they will bring to the planet if they're allowed to continue existing that's why they reported the case to God who sent his only begotten Son as His representative to go and verify it was after verification that God ordered the angels to destroy the two cities!

The God in the old testament has a reason why He became lenient after His son has come to the earth but later He will still wipe out billions for rejecting the message His Son brought to mankind {John 3:16} just as He did to Noah's generation! Luke 17:26-27 compare to 19:27

Techobeys:
if anyone asks me why I say what I said, I’ll give clear cut analysis of the scripture revealing that Satan is a man.

How come you never mentioned this to me all these while?

So you're scared Max will expose you shey?

Well my guy you're a real disgrace among Bible scholars if you claim to be one!

First of all Adam connotes man and God created man one male (Adam) and one female (Eve) that's why the Bible says:

"And just as it is reserved for men to die once for all time, but after this to receive a judgment" Hebrews 9:27

So all Adam's descendants must die physically {Romans 6:23} since they have all inherited sin from Adam! Romans 5:12

Satan on the other hand has been in existence at least from the garden of Eden since he's the person who used the serpent as puppet to speak to Eve {Revelations 12:9 compare to Genesis 3:1-5} and Satan as a character is living all through mankind's history.

So how come Adamic sin never killed Satan if he is a man?

Why is this same man mentioned thousands of years after Adam's death?

Did God create other humans before Adam?

Rikze:
We are saying the same thing in context...
Many religious leaders have made their followers to be biased towards the JWs. That's it

Of course my brother i only love nailing it on the head for gullible ones among them to know what is happening for real!

What sin?

Ken4Christ:
Repent of your sin and receive the gift of righteousness which is in Christ alone.
2nd Corinthians 5:21.
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.