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SharonLoveth:
You should create your own topic, mention the guy's name and have your politics discussion there rather than derailing this thread!

OK

SharonLoveth:
You need that prayer most because you left Jesus Christ the Lord of peace and running after a herbalist for healing

SharonLoveth:
Did God directs you to a herbalist for treatment? Physicians as used in the Bible never applied medicinal herbs for anything despite the fact that herb was mentioned in the Bible

Ọmọ i don't deceive myself, if doctors use medicine to care and say "God cure" yet you don't go against medicine then i engage the herbalist who also believe it's God who cures while he cares using the HERBS created by God!

Aemmyjah:
When you come down from the moon, you'll see the reality
Why not ask your granny or any older person to tell you about kidnapping during their times. In those days, it was 'goatnapping' not 'kidnapping' and now we have 'familynapping' and even 'passengernapping' where passengers in bus or buses are taken away
Politicians and scientists are predicting doom for earth and you say the world is getting better
Greed, crimes, drug abuse, drug trafficking and domestic violence is increasing and divorce and you say the world is getting better
I pity you sef. If you can say the world is getting better and still you that say wars brings about a better society, you're just contradicting yourself

When chatting with atheists claiming believers that's the time you'll know how easy it is with atheists because a sincere atheist will tell you he doesn't believe in the Bible but the dishonest atheist will claim he's a believer yet contradicting what God say.
Just imagine a so called believer arguing that those destroyed in Jericho are better than Rahab who surrendered herself and family to become worshipers of the true God!

sonmvayina:
Study the Torah and learn Gods laws...
Leave all this distraction..

What is TORAH?
And who is the god you're talking about?
What business do i have with the god of Torah?

tctrills:
Oga you would do yourself so much good if you get a dictionary.
Please borrow a dictionary and find the meaning of defence

Ọmọ it's me that will teach your dictionary what the word DEFENCE means.
When Rahab was talking to the Israelites telling them to swear by the name of their God that her own family will be spared, what do you think she was doing?
That's what DEFENCE means in a practical sense not facing people before whom you're as powerless as a fly, ọmọ that's suicide not defence!

oteneaaron:
Lol.
Why don't you come and seize my phone and stop me from speaking?
You call your god "most powerful" and yet you still say he is neither omnipotent, omniscient nor omnipresent.
Is that not an aberration?

This is not Omni topic but it's like you prefer to be ignored than response!

tctrills:
Someone is invading my land and you claim I am supporting a leader that makes no sense.
I don't think you understand what defence means.

You refer to people coming with the Most High God backing them "Someone" shey?
Well there is a big difference between wisdom and foolishness.

SharonLoveth:
You are always off point, why involving politicians here as if the topic is about politics?

Not interested in the topic, it's the guy's profile name that interests me.

tctrills:
Someone is invading my land and you claim I am supporting a leader that makes no sense.
I don't think you understand what defence means.

It's you that doesn't know what DEFENCE means.
Defence simply means peacemaking through any form of means while violence could be an option surrendering is another option considering what you will loose.
In the case of Israel and the Canaanites it's 0 chance of survival against the most high God so picking up weapons makes no practical sense. Just imagine the Israelites only shouted and the heavy walls of Jericho fell down flat.
So how do you expect to survive in such a scenario?
Ọmọ it's stupidity defending a politician at that particular time, if i was in Jericho back then i would have taken my family away kíákíá without thinking twice!

tctrills:
You definition of politics is very hollow. Even God uses imperfect human being for his work.

The same imperfect human beings have made this work better than it has ever been.

You again are not able to grasp simple facts. You forget that it was Israel that was invading and the people of Canaan were only defending themselves.

They're not defending themselves rather they were fighting in support of their human rulers as in politicians who were pushing them to go and die before the armies of the Most powerful spirit.
Those defending are Rahab who use her senses to be on the side of the Most powerful spirit.

cornelboy:
Park for one side jàre.

When someone is no longer making sense the best is to let him be.
Professionals in so many fields deal with human body parts but it's the motive that matters not the body parts found with them.
When doing body transplant surgeons do get involved in human body parts perhaps that has made them HERBALISTS too.
I can't just decipher how any sane individual will be arguing blindly over something that's clear even from the word itself:
HERB
HERBALIST
So how do we correlate that with flesh of animals or humans?

cornelboy:
That's to say God heals through medicines

Sure!

Mr Atheist i'm trying to reason with believers in the Bible for now so keep your unbelief to yourself. Let those claiming believers in God's word talk with me.
You can start another thread to address the issue of Exodus throw the challenge to all those claiming believers in the Bible.
Thanks!

oteneaaron:
"Most powerful", yet he is neither omnipotent, omnipresent nor even omniscient.
How was the land "secured" ?
By committing genocide right?
If only you were a student if ancient history, you would known that there is no single archeological record of any Jews been held captive in the land of Khem aka Egypt for 400 years as purported in the Bible.
Instead, the story of Moses's exile is just a retelling of the story of King Akhenaten - the first person in history to introduce Monotheism.

OgaNightmare:
"People fought and died to make this happen for you. That is love."
You said it all

Fighting to get yourself killed making your wife a widow and your children orphans is not love but stupidity {1Corinthians 13:3} LOVE makes sure of the more important things which is fairness to one and all {Philippians 4:8} and with calm LOVE seeks peace {1Corinthians 13:4} LOVE humbly wait for the promises of God {Psalms 37:7-11} LOVE bears, believes, hopes and endures all things! 1Corinthians 13:6-7

So when God's only begotten Son ordered his disciples to LOVE their neighbours {Mark 12:31} LOVE among themselves {John 13:34-35} LOVE (their enemies) {Matthew 5:43-48} he explains how we can do so by allowing the politician have his/her way {Matthew 5:40-41} by the time Boko Haram begin ruling any territory you will see faces of the politicians using them as tools because their policies will lead them into fighting against themselves while a Christian only need to play along. The killing and raping is not their policies but just to prove to you that your government can't rescue you from them. But when you calmly allow them they will no longer worry about you because you're not a threat to their POLICIES and gradually you will find another means of preaching and teaching in their midst by carefully taking note of their laws and the freeness to speak with your neighbours.

They don't force anyone to the mosque because it's not the same time that all of them do pray despite the fact that majority do make a show off at their mosques hypocritically the real faithful ones among them does it from the heart so it's at their convenience they do pray.

So after allowing any form of rule you will get used to their policies and use the opportunity opened to preach about your God. That's why Jesus introduced the one on one preaching method instead of disturbing neighbourhood with noise in the name of preaching! Matthew 12:19

Jehovah's Witnesses are preaching and teaching in all the counties of the word today as in all Muslim countries following the policies of their government. It's the churches of Christendom that's been giving us problems in any place where we have issues not Muslims because our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus has taught us how to be WISE as serpents and HARMLESS as doves! Matthew 10:16

So there's no excuse for picking up weapons to kill anyone, it's either you bow to the counsel of the most wonderful counselor of all time or you reject his cousel!

tctrills:
Please what is your definition of politics?
Explain how politics caused the war between Israel and Jericho in the bible?

My definition of politics:
The act of vouching for an imperfect human to make perfect policies that's fair to one and all.

The most powerful spirit being in the universe wanted to secure the land of Canaan in order to establish pure worship. He journeyed to Egypt to free the descendants of a man named Jacob with whom He made a covenant to establish pure worship and singlehandedly freed the people using two feeble octogenarians to lead them. The whole world heard how the Most High Spirit Being did this so the fear of His worshipers is already in the hearts of all the inhabitants of the earth.
Any direction they face makes people fear as it's evident that the Most powerful spirit is with them. Definitely if you are living in any part of Canaan with your family back then the first thing that should come to your heart as a sane human is the safety of you and your family {Joshua 2:12-13 compare to Joshua 9:3-27} whatever makes you feel like picking up weapons against the Israelites is not to save your life but to support your preferred ruler in the face of DEATH. Ọmọ that's POLITICS!

BewareOf419:
But you are opposing politicians as if you are not been controlled under the constitution of Nigeria

Opposition differs from saying the truth!

Politicians do kill people here and there using religion as cover and when it comes to policies they pretend as if they're for God but then you will find out that they welcome support from all kinds of people like Adulterers, formicators, drunkards, spiritists, ritualists, thieves, murderers, racists and so on. So by the time someone like our friend who thinks one of them supposed to be kept in a psychiatrist home gets into their midst he will find out that they're all the same and that it's the people killing themselves in support of politicians that are foolish. When any of their children is getting married that's when you will know that you're the outsider because their children will sit together as one whereas you who is fighting for them will not be allowed in that gathering.

tctrills:
I have learnt not to expect any civility from JW so I am not angry. Nevertheless, I was only hoping that you could be the one jw that is fit for civil society and discussion. Sorry I overrated you. I was wrong.
I always have this fault of hoping for the best in others but many times I am disappointed. Yet I never learn to stop expecting mutual respect from others even when we don't agree.
Anyone can use abusive language. It doesn't take intelligence or skill but some of us choose to be better.
You don't believe in war yet you believe in insults. Doesn't this make you a hypocrite? Do you know how many wars have been caused from insults? James 3:1-12

WARS doesn't result from insults rather wars only result from POLITICS. If i insult you or you insult me we may both end up quarrelling or fighting each other but then no right thinking person supposed to take sides just to support either you or me. Intelligent people will just find a way to resolve whatever may be the cause not picking up weapons in support of either sides, that's what Jehovah's Witnesses are saying, not that we have become perfect as if we have anything special that's keeping us away from WARS it's the thought that no member of our loving organization will support us against anyone if we refuse to resolve issues amicably that's the key!

But all other religions will solicit for support from everyone just to suppress their opponents that's where politics comes to play!

BewareOf419:
We are saying the same thing, your people at home are opponents to one person (politician) or the other in which they are also MAD

NO! We are not opposing anyone because we are neutral. When going for a revenge on your enemies do you also attack those who never hurt nor had any issue with you?
It's politicians that are always planning to kill their opposers you can't justify attacking those who are NEUTRAL!

BewareOf419:
Including your people at home

All politicians wants to kill their opponents (neighbours) so in what way do you think those not involved in politics are mad?

Aemmyjah:
Disrespectful?
You de vex?
Go and read what Jesus Christ said at Matthew 23 to those religious leaders and you'll know if he too was brainwashed

He's been respectful indeed with his choice of words ever since he learned that JWs are unique due to our abstinence from politics and wars!

tctrills:
All of you are quite disrespectful. You use words that are not beholding to the Children of God. I have noticed that with every JW on this forum. But then who am I to correct you? You have already been brainwashed.

Ọmọ i will prefer to be BRAINWASHED if this is what it means you that you're contemplating killing your fellow believers is not brainwashed but BRAINDEAD!

Aemmyjah:
I be like small pikin for Bible knowledge
I be toddler sef
You be like big brother, make I continue learn n watch as u de use scriptures shine light for this forum
Don't mind yeye atheist
Their own case bad pass cos as them think say they wise, dem no wan reason any truth at all about God or Bible. Dem de make their father who is the devil to be happy
Yes, atheists are the biggest group bringing smiles to their father face who is the Devil and Satan whether they believe him or not.
Jesus said that those who are conscious of their spiritual need will be happy, how will Satan feel seeing that people are increasingly rejecting any spiritual consciousness, he is happy and proud of his children but they won't experience the happiness that those who have truly satisfied this need will experience.
May Jehovah add all the plagues in the Bible on my head if I choose to be an atheist, an apostate or to leave the truth and go and be listening to one daddy GO or another religious group!

No Apostate listens to other religious leaders o!
I can bet my life on that, all they're trying to say is God's organization should compromise God's standard so that they can stay.
Imagine a normal human always arguing about a religion that you felt you've been freed from yet you can't present a better performing group with which you're now worshiping!

My brother i'm not in anyway better than any of my brothers the only thing is experience.

I know exactly what an atheist want regarding faith so when chatting with an atheist no matter what he/she claims it's through their line of thought you will know whether they're making effort to know the TRUTH or resisting it!

TINUBUISMAD:

Moslem faithfuls go fvck toto tire for aljanah dan bura uba

Your profile name really amuses me for your information all politicians and their supporters are MAD!

Aemmyjah:
We have records of more war casualties and there's a probability that life would wipe out if nuclear weapons are used and you say that the world is getting better. I winder the kind of eyeglasses you used as if you have not been seeing protests, taking governments to court, insurrection, strikes, etc which is unprecedented. What of terrorism and inflation and crime and unemployment, yet you say the world is now a better place. I hope you're not under lockdown in a underground where you're shielded from news.
Yes, slave trade has reduced drastically but have you seen that slavery is still been done in 'subtle forms'
Which righteous war? Shame. Any righteous was will not affect the life or lives of innocent people
Differentiate sciences and politics or combine them, they have helped one way or the other but they have not solved world problems but rather contributed to it
Less racism and discrimination? Were you alive and witnessed what happened globally in 2020 about George Floyd. Why are players taking a knee before they start matches? What happens to black players after a bad game?
If politics is not the cause of bad governance, what is it? Don't forget I say that man's problem is moral not political
As of War in heaven, war occur between two opposite sides and the aim is to defeat or resist the other. The Bible mentions of that war in Revelation 12. Either you believe Satan and his demons have been resisting Jesus Christ and the angels who they could not defeat or you believe what the Bible says that there was a war and the devils side was defeated and expelled from heaven. Or you want to go and mobilise?
You mentioned USA government, what a shame! I am sure you don't read foreign news

So far they read about wars in ancient Israel and heaven they want to convince themselves that wars is OK, they're not concerned about the main issues leading to the wars all they want to hear is people can't do without wars even when they belong to the same side.

Ọmọ even soldiers in the army will be baffled reading comments here because we know that it's opposite sides that engage in wars not the same side under one commander!

SeniorMan715:
Jesus ransom sacrifice is the most potent answer to the satanic lie that God don't love everybody. Never should we forget that the agonizing death that Jesus suffered on the torture stake and the even greater agony that God endured in watching his beloved Son die is a proof of his love for us.
Romans 5:8 John 3:16

The voice of faithful ones!

SharonLoveth:
You are welcome!

May you have PEACE!

SharonLoveth:
Because God is the only healer and not medicines!

Therefore all kinds of medicine is just applied as care for the sick and God never condemned treatment!

Naturenex:
“God Does Not Love Everybody” – Bishop Oyedepo Reveals Bible Verse
https:///pc0zI8-dYY

Cancri:
This made me to remember that verse in the bible that says esua I hate Jacob I love.even thou esua did nothing wrong.
Our God is a mysterious God after all

God loves all His creatures it's the defect which comes as a result of self- alienation from God {Deuteronomy 32:5} that strip off the glory God gave man! Romans 3:23

As for Esau and Jacob the Hebrew text translated "HATE" could also be rendered as "DESPISE" Esau despised what Abraham laboured to inherit, from the womb God have seen who between the two will cherish Abraham's blessings, that's what brought about the verse you're quoting.

When Israelites left Egypt God warned them never to pass the territories of Esau's descendants because He (God) will not give them the inheritance of Esau! Deuteronomy 2:4-5

So God despised Esau for the way he treated his birthright but God still recognized him as a descendant of Abraham!

Chai!
Come see my brother dey preach for atheist!
No matter how clear and straightforward your reasons faithless people will never agree with the TRUTH. Just accept him and his cohorts as worshipers of your God and they're OK.
Forget about the killings going on in their midst due to politics and racism they love it that way but you claiming your God differs from theirs is what is giving them sleepless nights.

If Jesus sounds stupid to faithless people of his time {John 10:20} how could you who is advocating Jesus' opinion make any sense before these people? John 15:18-19

In fact for you to continue advocating Jesus' idea you're already a demon to these people! Matthew 10:25

Aemmyjah:
When people point fingers at us that we don't do politics
I ask 'Have you not seen what politics has caused in Nigeria and the world in general?
At least we don't oppress anyone or loot your money or launder it or deliver fake promises. We campaign for the real government. The one we campaign for, una no gree accept am, so we can't accept yours too. We are not anti- governmen, we respect the government. Some government officials have said that we even respect government pass. For example, we don't promote hate speech but those who brought up such law do so; we don't spray money cos we respect currency as constitution directs but politicians allow it or do so in their parties and campaigns too; we don't steal or loot or destroy campaign or election materials but political parties under the constitution do so and we don't tell discourage others from voting as everyone has their own freedom to choice

As to war in heaven, that was the only war ever. God was not ignorant of that war or it just happened like the ones we see today. It was Jehovah's newly appointed king who engaged in war against his enemies, Satan and the demons who were also in heaven at the time, the seat of government. So as ruler, he ousted, no, he 'hurled' down these wicked ones down from heaven. How will he rule effectively if Satan and his demons are still there accusing both angels and humans as Revelation 12 says. So Jesus Christ carried out the war according to God's mandate and as according to God's mandate, he'll come cleanse these earth from wickedness, destroy Satan and the demons, bring an end to all forma and causes of pain, suffering and injustice where the good ones will enjoy life in peaceful, perfect conditions.

I agree that Churches can't stop wars, why should they? When they preach love in the Church but when conflict arise, they promote and bless wars in the name of patriotism, ethnicity and tribalism. They do this because 'they are part of the world' whose ruler is Satan, the one who came to kill and to destroy. All the religions are in romance with politics to strengthen it. Either they promote political interests or they perish

Let your kingdom come O Jehovah, let it come!!!
Human government are failing us and oppressing us and blind people are still putting hope on fellow man who can die before the elections, be impeached or even resign. They are obedient to mortal man and not God and Jesus Christ who are bringing kingdom blessings
Me I pity the person that will leave his comfort zone to rule this country of over 200 million especially in the conditions we are seeing. People are praying for dollars to increase against naira cos of selfish interest, people are hoping for for it to decrease.
Even if dollars is equal to 1kobo, it won't end our problem cos THE PROBLEM OF MAN IS MORAL AND NOT POLITICAL.
It's foolish to use political means to end moral problems

Thanks for your time!

Hismasterpiece:
You know Jesus never treated His mother and father the way you say you treat yours? Have you at least tried to win them over to Christ?

Well Jesus never forced Christianity on anyone he expected everyone to make a decision after thoroughly examining his impartial attitude towards all and that's exactly how i did.
Jesus maintained that Mary (his mother) is not blessed unless she decides to follow the path of faithful people if she doesn't Jesus can't save her. Luke 11:27-28

At least Jesus had six siblings only two (James and Jude) were saved.

Now if Jesus Christ himself can't save his own family who is Maximus?

MindHacker9009:
But Jesus is coming back to take over the rulership of this world

That's another topic entirely, has your question been addressed?