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The Jews only wanted to kill Paul for just one reason:
He is uniting both Jews and gentiles to LOVE one another as brothers in Christianity which is the motive why God sent the Christ {Isaiah 2:2-4} while those racist Jews were anticipating world domination under the Messiah. Act 1:6-8

When Jesus refused to act in line with their racist motives {John 6:15} they schemed to kill him {John 7:1} that's why they rejected Jesus when Pilate called him "the king of the Jews" {John 19:14-15} they killed Jesus mercilessly due to the LOVE he had for people in general!

The scripture they are expecting Jesus to fulfill is Daniel 2:44, they wanted him to kill all their enemies so Jews can dominate the world.

So it's exactly the same reason they killed Jesus of Nazareth that those murderous Jews were planning to kill Paul even though he was one of them nursing the same intention before his conversion to Christianity! Galatians 1:13-14

May you have PEACE!

Abdulgaffar22:
Paul was also caught lying red handed
in two different instances ;

First instance of lying

Paul was accused of teaching all the Jews among the Gentiles to forsake circumcision and the Law of Moses. Read below ;


"The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all the elders were present.
Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law.They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs..............................When the seven days were nearly over, some Jews from the province of Asia saw Paul at the temple. They stirred up the whole crowd and seized him, shouting, “Fellow Israelites, help us! This is the man who teaches everyone everywhere against our people and our Law and this place. And besides, he has brought Greeks into the temple and defiled this holy place.” (Acts 21:18-28)


But when Paul was brought forward before the chief Priest and all the members of Sanhedrin to speak over this very accusation, he now proclaimed that he was being accused by the Jews for the hope of resurrection of the dead ; See below


"The commander wanted to find out exactly why Paul was being accused by the Jews. So the next day he released him and ordered the chief priests and all the members of the Sanhedrin to assemble. Then he brought Paul and had him stand before them. Paul looked straight at the Sanhedrin and said, “My brothers, I have fulfilled my duty to God in all good conscience to this day.” At this the high priest Ananias ordered those standing near Paul to strike him on the mouth.Then Paul said to him, “God will strike you, you whitewashed wall! You sit there to judge me according to the law, yet you yourself violate the law by commanding that I be struck! Those who were standing near Paul said, “How dare you insult God’s high priest!". Paul replied, “Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for it is written: ‘Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people. Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees, called out in the Sanhedrin, “My brothers, I am a Pharisee, descended from Pharisees. I stand on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead.” When he said this, a dispute broke out between the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and the assembly was divided. (The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, and that there are neither angels nor spirits, but the Pharisees believe all these things.)(Acts 22:30- 23:9).

Paul deliberately fabricated this lie after perceiving that some members of Sanhedrin are Pharisees (who believe in resurrection) while some are Sadducees (who do not believe in resurrection)


Second instance of lying

Similarly, instead of telling the reason why he was being accused by the Jews when the King Agrippa sincerely asked Paul about the same accusation, Paul proclaimed again that he was being accused for the hope of the promise made by God to raise the dead and for the fact that he advised people to repent and turn to God. Read below ;

"And now it is because of my hope in what God has promised our ancestors that I am on trial today. This is the promise our twelve tribes are hoping to see fulfilled as they earnestly serve God day and night. King Agrippa, it is because of this hope that these Jews are accusing me.Why should any of you consider it incredible that God raises the dead? (Acts 26:6-9)"………............."So then, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the vision from heaven. First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and then to the Gentiles, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds.That is why some Jews seized me in the temple courts and tried to kill me. (Acts 26:19-21)".


The two answers given by Paul to all the members of Sanhedrin and to the King Agrippa are nothing but outright lies. Paul was never accused for the hope of promise made by God to raise the dead (i:e the resurrection) nor accused for the fact that he asked people to repent and turn to God. He was only accused for teaching all the Jews among the Gentiles to forsake circumcision and the Law of Moses as you see in the quotation above.



In fact, Paul himself admitted that he was crafty and that he caught people by deceit ;

"But be it so, I did not burden you. Nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you by deceit (2nd Corinthians 12:16)".

Other versions says " I caught you with guile" or "I caught you by trickery"


Yet, the scriptures says ;


"The Lord hates the bloodthirsty and deceitful man (Psalms 5:6)


Cursed is he who does the work of the Lord deceitfully (Jeremiah 48:10 KJV)


See how all the points of evidence explained above support the fact that the bright light that revealed himself to Paul on his way to Damascus was not Jesus Christ but Satan in disguise

Abdulgaffar22:
Concluding that an act is no longer compulsory is completely different from forbidding it.
It's very clear that Paul completely forbid the act of circumcision by saying " if you become circumcised, CHRIST WILL PROFIT YOU NOTHING"(Galatians 5:2-4).
This is the reason why the Jewish Christians in Jerusalem bound themselves with oath that they will never eat nor drink until they kill Paul (Acts 23:12-14).
Please show me where the Jewish Christians in
Jerusalem bound themselves with oath that they will never eat nor drink until they kill the apostles and the elders as they vowed to kill Paul.

Act 23:12

Those Jews don't have God's LOVE in their hearts neither do they love their neighbours {Mark 12:28-31} rather they're only zealous for tradition that's dead already {Romans 10:1-3} if circumcision is a must the God of Israel will fight for Himself to keep it whether some accept it or not!

AntiChristian:
Muhammad is mentioned in the Injeel revealed to Jesus while he was alive.
Not the Bible written, compiled and canonised after Jesus left!

OK, that's not available now so we believe what we know!

AntiChristian:
That was Sarcasm!

OK you agreed that it's not Mohammed!

cornelboy:
Lol. You're funny. The way Muslims I have met amuse me, can't stop laughing

Between Paul and and your prophet Mohammad, who do you think contradicted Jesus'teachings

After Paul's conversation, he fought for Jesus and keep spreading the gospel till his death without fearing harm and death.

What did your prophet do?
He feared. He grew an army and fought for himself, for his life.

You are an hypocrite for thinking that Paul contradicted Jesus his master whereas your prophet that came more than 600 years later denied everything his disciples wrote about him.

We aren't coming to that yet, Paul was a Jew and he fought really hard to save his fellow believers. He was attacking the Christians because he thought they're against the God of his ancestors yet claiming their group is the only true religion. Paul will never ever attack someone with whom he believe they're both worshipers of the same god.
In Islam such means nothing to them two friends who grew up as mates in the same school, pray together in the same mosque and travelled to Mecca together can kill one another due to racism and politics. And the irony of it is that both of them will pray to the same god (Allah) while planning to kill one another!

You missed the point!

According to what God told Abraham (before the law was written) who ever want to receive part of the blessings God promised Abraham such a person must become circumcised himself and all members of his household!
But when the law was written it's only the Israelites and whoever wants to become a worshiper of their God. Jesus was circumcised as a baby {Luke 1:59; Leviticus 12:3} after Jesus' death, resurrection and ascension to heaven some gentiles wanted to become Christians but some Jewish Christians insisted that those gentiles must first be circumcised before they can acknowledge these gentiles as worshipers of the God of Abraham. This led to a great argument among the Christians so the brothers sent Paul and Barnabas to the Apostles and elders in Jerusalem over this matter, {Act 15:1-2} after thorough meditation on how Jesus dealt with everyone during his ministry and the study on the scriptures the Apostles and elders in Jerusalem concluded that circumcision is no longer compulsory for any adult but you can circumcise your baby at birth since you are old now, they sent Paul and Barnabas back to deliver this message to all Christians throughout the earth. Act 15:20-29

So was it Paul that made that decision or the Apostles who has been with Jesus himself?

Please tell me one single law that Paul contradicted because if you're talking about circumcision it's the Apostles in Jerusalem that gave the order not Paul!

Abdulgaffar22:
Despite the fact that circumcision is an everlasting covenant of God for the Jews i:e the Israelites (Genesis 17:9-14) and Jesus himself was also circumcised (Luke 2:21).
Yet Paul went ahead to write as follows:
“Indeed, I Paul say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. And I testify again to every man who become circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. You have become estranged (i.e. cut off ) from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by the law; you have fallen from grace (Galatians 5:2-4)”.
The term “every man” used by Paul in the verse quoted above is indisputable evidence that he condemned the act of circumcision for both Jews and Gentiles. This is the reason why the Jewish Christians in Jerusalem bound themselves with oath that they will never eat nor drink until they kill Paul (Acts 23:12-14).
In fact, this single fact alone that Paul condemn the act of circumcision, an everlasting covenant of God, is another prove that “the bright light from heaven” that appeared to Paul on his road to Damascus was a false Christ

Do you know the LAWS at all?
If so just point out one and let's see how Paul contradicted it!

Abdulgaffar22:
Not a single law he contradicted. Paul contradicted all the law.
Compare the statements of Paul below with statements utter by Jesus ;
For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility (Ephesians 2:14-16 )"
"But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code (Romans 7:6)"
VERSUS
Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach (Matthew 23:1-3)
Do not think I have come to abolish the law. I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:17-20)
What else do you want. Are these set of contradictory statements not clear enough ?

Sand2022:
Obviously you just want to argue so there's no need for further arguments just know that if you're not one of Jesus disciples under the supervision of Jesus the head of the church, you are not worshiping our God. Period!

DEAL!

So keep your Jesus while we keep our GOVERNING BODY!

Freedom4us:
I am to respect people who believe the murder of Christians is good?
Are you okay ?

Are you sure JWs are Christians?
Because they're not forcing their opinion on other religions!

It's obvious you really have a lot in your mind on this topic but to make this easier for both of us let's pick any of the laws you think Paul contradicted.
Remember that Jesus is the prophet promised to come and TEACH God's people how to apply the Torah in a perfect sense which totally differs from their misconception regarding God's law {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} and Jesus himself told the Jews that the main purpose of the laws is to help adherents LOVE God and their neighbours! Mark 12:28-31

So tell me one single law Paul contradicted!

Abdulgaffar22:
the fact that Paul contradicts true Jesus (pbuh) on many important issues is even enough to prove that the revelation he claimed to receive was from fake Jesus Christ.
For example, Jesus (pbuh) said the Old testament laws are still valid and he did not come to abolish them;
Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 5:17-20)
It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law (Luke 16:17)
"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach (Matthew 23:1-3)"
Please see the last passage above how Jesus asked the crowds and his disciples to do everything they were told by the Pharisees and the teachers of the law which shows that Jesus (pbuh) did not come to abolish the law ( either directly or indirectly in any event) as he rightly said in Matthew 5:17 quoted above ;Do not think that I have come to abolish the law
Yet despite this Jesus' declaration, Paul proclaimed as follows ;
"For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility (Ephesians 2:14-16 )"
In another place, Paul declared ;
"But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code (Romans 7:6)"
It is very clear in all these verses that Paul proclaimed that Jesus came to abolish the law. Whereas Jesus himself declared that do not think I have come to abolish the law (Matthew 5:17); this is the reason why he asked the crowds and his disciples to do everything they were told by the teachers of the law because they were the people that sit in Moses' seat (Matthew 23:1-3)
In fact, a stage was reached when the Jewish Christians in Jerusalem overheard that Paul is teaching against the law of Moses--the very law that Jesus himself commanded the disciples to uphold. See the passage below ;
"When we arrived at Jerusalem, the brothers and sisters received us warmly. The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all the elders were present. Paul greeted them and reported in detail what God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law (Acts 21:17-24)"
As you can see from above, even after Jesus' departure, James and all the Christian elders in Jerusalem still uphold the ceremonial law of Moses by observing purification rituals like vow making and head shaving. And they find it difficult to believe that Paul was teaching against the law. They rather wanted to believe that Paul himself is living in obedience to the law.
But as we can see from the two veses quoted above (Ephesians 2:14-16, Romans 7:6), what the Jewish Christians learnt about Paul (that he is teaching against the law) is perfectly true. However, James and the elders believed otherwise simply because they were not opportune to read most of Paul's letters circulating among the Gentiles since they spent most of their time in Jerusalem.

Abdulgaffar22:
Are you saying Jesus was the one who inspired Paul to write that "all the fullness of God dwell in the body of Christ (Colossians 1:19, 2:9) thereby giving the Trinitarian Christians the opportunity to accept Jesus as God ?

TRINITY is unchristian but then you should know that whatever anyone say people can twist it to support idolatry. For instance my own uncle cut a tree and made an idol from it only to quote the Bible in support of what he did!
And do you know what he quoted?
Well there's a verse that called YHWH "Ọlọ́run owú" meaning "Jealous God" but my uncle cut a tree known as "igi owú" to make the image so he said his idol is not evil because it was made from owú tree and the Bible God called himself "God of owú"

What Paul meant their is that God wants all his worshipers to be perfect just as He is perfect {Leviticus 19:2 compare to Matthew 5:48} and God presented Jesus as the perfect role model through whom we can gain perfection {Matthew 17:5 compare to Deuteronomy 18:15} that's what Paul meant.

Now regarding what John the apostle wrote @ John 1:1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god"

This simple means that in time past God gave Jesus (who was a spirit being back then) to act like a god in doing certain things just as the same God did with Moses {Exodus 7:1} that's why God told the Israelites through Moses that another prophet will arise (among their brothers) who will also be a prophet and God at the same time like Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18} and God swear in His anger that whoever ignored this prophet will be cut off from among His people {Deuteronomy 18:19} because they can't live by the Torah perfectly unless a perfect man like Jesus come to teach them how they can gain perfection through the Torah!

Aemmyjah:
Na wa, anything I quote on NL...then I can't do anything again until after 24 hours
When it elapse, you quote and the same thing happens
There was no molecule on insult in it. Where is the bans coming from?

Stop direct quoting for the moment that's the problem with Nairaland most of us just had to bear it.

@ Abdulgaffar

You truly have a point with this thread but you missed something really vital:
The spirit person that appeared to Paul directed him to the disciples of Jesus Christ for further instructions unlike most religions today will claim that their founder has met Jesus then a new religion will be established in the name of Jesus and the contradictions start to abound. Paul met a spirit person but he was told to go and meet the disciples of Jesus Christ who already had everything Jesus taught them. So all that Paul is expected to do in their midst is how to help none Jews grasp what Jesus taught his Jewish disciples for the congregation to continue growing globally as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers under One organization! John 17:20-23 compare to Isaiah 2:2-4; Zephaniah 3:9

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Abdulgaffar22:
If Jesus and Satan can appear exactly the same way as you claimed, then you have to accept that the bright light that revealed himself to Paul was Satan and not Jesus. This is because Jesus has commanded the disciples to disbelieve in any private appearances of Christ after his departure using repeatedly the phrase "if anyone" which means without exception (Matthew 24:23-28)

That's what i'm talking about the motive!

First of all Jesus wasn't talking about a spirit but human being regarding Matthew 24:23-28 the meaning of "Christ" is "anointed" meaning the person whose line of thought we must all follow as our leader or King. Paul was met by a powerful spirit being who claims to be Jesus and the next thing is this spirit directed Paul to go and meet Jesus' disciples for further instructions on what to do {Act 9:6} that's why he started searching for the Christians the same people he's been persecuting! Note that when a confusion arose about circumcision Paul and Barnabas travelled all the way to the Apostles who are the original disciples of Christ Jesus {Act 15:2} and it was what the Apostles concluded that Paul and Barnabas had to take with them as the teachings to everywhere they go! Act 15:23-29

Satan will never ever agree with what Christ's Apostles conclude because they will do things in harmony with the teachings of his enemy (Christ) Matthew 12:26

Paul taught exactly what Jesus laid down with the disciples which is LOVE for God and for neighbours {Mark 12:28-31} he insisted on the attributes of God's Holy Spirit as the expected FRUIT of any congregation of God {Galatians 5:22-23} he promoted fairness to all both the Jews and none Jews, he confronted Peter who allowed racism to becloud his senses {Galatians 2:11-14} he related lovingly and peacefully with all people regarding the faith {1Corinthians 9:20-22} he promoted peace and unity among brothers in the faith! 1Corinthians 1:10 compare to John 17:20-23

This is what Jesus taught his disciples not Judaism that was filled with hatred for other races. So Paul proved through his teachings that Jesus Christ truly met him.

On the contrary i will like you to compare this to Islam where nationalism and racism causes great commotion among adherents. No matter how faithful you're to Allah a Muslim from Saudi Arabia will justifiably kill you joyfully if Buhari and the ruler of Saudi has issues. Yet both of you bowed (worshiped) the same God, met in Mecca, journeyed to Medina and climbed the Arafat together as brothers in the faith!

That shouldn't be if truly the spirit behind the religion is the God of love! John 8:44

BewareOf419:
NO! also to Politicians killing people here and there using religion as cover

Look at the below picture.
Two men are individuals living in different nations but they must not quarrel otherwise it will cost the lives of all these men in uniform as if the two men are gods sending them to early grave.
That is what politics means!

@ Abdulgaffar
I'm sorry to have disrupted your challenge to the churchgoers because i'm not one of them, i am one of Jehovah's Witnesses though we are not on the same page with these guys.

So you can continue your challenge with them if you have no further questions for me!

Abdulgaffar22:
So you believe that Jesus can still privately appear to someone like Paul after commanding the disciples to disbelieve in such private appearances ( Matthew 24:23-28)?
Again, you believe that Jesus can emulate Satan by appearing in the same form of lightning usually taken by Satan (Luke 10:18, Isaiah 14:12) ?

Jesus and Satan are from the same person: GOD
So both of them can appear exactly the same way but it's the motive that matters not their appearance.
For your information all angelic sons of God (including Satan) are referred to as morning Stars {Job 38:7} while Jesus called himself the bright morning Star {Revelations 22:16} so they can appear exactly the same way only their motive differs!

Abdulgaffar22:
Look at the bolded statement above, you have stylishly changed the word of Jesus. Jesus did not tell the woman that "his message is presently meant for the Israelites and later for the Gentiles"
Jesus simply said " I was sent only to the Israelites".
If Jesus' mission is for the Jews first and later to the Gentiles, then he would have simply told the woman that "it is not yet time for the Gentiles". But Jesus didn't say such statement.

“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life" John 3:16

The above statement came from the same man that's why the Phoenician woman told him by faith saying:

“Yes, Lord, but really the little dogs do eat of the crumbs falling from the table of their masters.” Matthew 15:27

Because this woman is conversant with what the prophet Zechariah said {Zechariah 8:23} so even if Jesus didn't come for none Israelites the woman knew that after the Israelites has gotten enough blessings from the Messiah it will later fall for other nations who are like little dogs to pick for themselves.
So Jesus realized that this woman truly knows the scriptures so he has no other option than to extend the blessings to her for the faith she had.
Note that the same thing happened when a Roman general needed the same blessing:

“Sir, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof, but just say the word and my servant will be healed" Matthew 8:8

Why did the soldier utter such word?
Well he knew that the Messiah (Christ) had no direct dealing with none Jews.

So Jesus' audience perfectly knew that the Messiah had no direct dealing with none Jews!

Abdulgaffar22:
Actually, I don't want to digress from the topic of discussion. But since you are making a baseless claim, please juxtapose what you have written up there with Jesus statement ;
"I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 15:24"

Whenever i come across threads like this i can only laugh at the misinformation of those who aren't knowledgeable yet claiming they're disciples of the most wonderful counselor of all time: Jesus of Nazareth! Isaiah 9:6

Well it's true that Jesus was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and it's the lost sheep of the house of Israel that are expected to go and declare what God's only begotten Son taught them to the nation.
That's why Jesus chose apostle Paul (a Jew) vast in knowledge of different cultures as an elite to take Christianity to other nations. Act 9:15

So i will break it down as one of the Witnesses of Jesus of Nazareth! Act 1:8

The promise of a Messiah was to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob so only their descendants will have a direct access to the Christ {Isaiah 9:6} while all other nations must hold onto what the Jews got from the Christ {Zechariah 8:23} that's why Jesus sent his disciples to go only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel {Matthew 10:6} the Jews are the first in God's plan to be blessed with the presence of the Christ so when a Phoenician woman wanted to tap from that blessing (supernatural gifts) Jesus openly told her that presently it's only for the Israelites {Matthew 15:24} but then believing Jews will have to take this blessings to other nations, that's why Jesus never had a direct dealing with people of other nations when choosing his Apostles Jesus chose only JEWS!

Regarding apostle Paul Jesus handed over the conversion of people from other nations to him {Act 9:15} so everything Paul taught about Jesus of Nazareth is authentic and could be firmly established in what the prophets wrote before Jesus!

MindHacker9009:
GOD said Jonah should go and preach against it. Preach means to deliver a sermon
Jonah 1:1-2
1 The word of the Lord came to Jonah son of Amittai:
2 “Go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it, because its wickedness has come up before me.”

This is why i told you:

Please the book (Bible) belongs to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES so before you jump into argument with a JW study hard because it's our book and we can tell you everything in it! Isaiah 54:17

In the New World Translation (JW Version) it's rendered this way:

“Get up, go to Ninʹe·veh the great city, and proclaim judgment against her, for their wickedness has come to my attention.” Jonah1:2

If it was a sermon Jonah won't be expecting only destruction because sermon was to help the listeners not to scare them.

Moreover he can't TEACH them anything since they never had God's laws upon which such teaching could be established!

MindHacker9009:
Then you have not read this verse:
Jonah 1:1-2
1 The word of the Lord came to Jonah son of Amittai:
2 “Go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it, because its wickedness has come up before me.”

That's what you need to ask!

“Get up, go to Ninʹe·veh the great city, and proclaim judgment against her, for their wickedness has come to my attention.” Jonah1:2

PREACHING and TEACHING are two different things. When talking about TEACHING it's what has been established that you can inculcate with the act of teaching but as for preaching it has two facets:
[1] Warning message
[2] Declaring God's judgment.

In the case of Nineveh Jonah was to DECLARE God's message to Ninevites that's why he never expected them to repent because he wasn't warning them. Had it been he warned them it would have been a two way expectation whether they will yield and be spared or ignore and be destroyed.
Jonah declared destruction on Nineveh anticipating evil because God never told him to preach for the nation to repent!

What are the things ÒGÚN promised in the past that we can all see happening in the midst of it's worshipers today?

Whatever YHWH did in the past are stories today just as we have read about other gods like Zeus, Hermes, Jupiter, Ra, Ògún, Ṣàngó and many more. Anyone can just put up a story claiming:
"my God did this, my God did that"

The living God must be One whose words stays even when what was written has been forgotten or taken as fables the true God will continue working towards achieving what He promised! Isaiah 55:11

The problem with most religionists today is misrepresentation! They thought they're worshipers of one God whereas they're only blinded by credulity.

During the time people throughout the earth were fighting and killing themselves due to racial disparities, Israelites were also doing the same thing, that's the time YHWH promised saying:

And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Regarding this promise YHWH sent His only begotten Son (Jesus Christ) to establish a group that will start gathering people from all the nations to fulfill His promise and Jesus did just so! Matthew 28:18-20; Act 1:8

Today that people of all the nations still believe in WEAPONS building destructive devices of all kinds, spending billions of dollars whereas many of their people can't afford a square meal. YHWH is WORKING with His own people to fulfill His promise. Throughout the world a global family of peace loving worshipers has sufficed in the name of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES or (YHWH's WORSHIPERS) this people are from different races, they have come together using the Bible to resolve all their racial disparities among themselves, divert their resources into the production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons in the heart of all their members and as for wars they have said "GOODBYE" in fulfilment of what their God promised!

So where is ÒGÚN? Please what exactly has it promised so we can SEE it's worshipers to verify if ÒGÚN is still alive or it's just some magical acts that could be done by any spirit that's been performed in the name of ÒGÚN just to continue deceiving those without wisdom!

LegalWolf:
God bless you man! The thread is very clear, I do not know why they are all running helter-skelter just to avoid the simple question. Over to you
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NNTR
TenQ
Hissplendor

I'm 100% sure that you don't understand what i meant in that post, anyways you're welcome!

jcross19:
can you see now? Okay mention one hospital!! Just mention one contribution that's all......

Guy there's no need for blind argument in support of any religion.

Whatever you think the first religion whose pioneers turned out to become rulers over our people did in Africa the second is also doing exactly the same thing because they're both rivals on the same page: POLITICS.

NNTR:
Judges 4:17
'And during the battle, the LORD confused Sisera, his chariot drivers, and his whole army.
Everyone was so afraid of Barak and his army,
that even Sisera jumped down from his chariot and tried to escape.'

Faith is a game changer. Without faith, its impossible to please God. Without faith, God's Hands' are tied up, literally, just as was seen happened in Judges 1:19.

Alternative questions equally good to ask would be.
1. Why did Ogun commit suicide?
2. For what ends were the homicide and suicide committed by Ogun?
3. What purpose did the killing and even the death of Ogun serve?

When talking about greatness it's pointless digging into what someone did in the past to judge because some were great in the past but others have broken their records by doing greater things.

So to decide who is alive and who is dead between YHWH and ÒGÚN we don't need any past stories rather what we need is current affairs.

Let the WITNESSES (WORSHIPERS) of both Gods step forward so we all can see through their performance which God is alive until now!

YHWH is a spirit just as ÒGÚN is also a spirit so both of them are invisible but through the WORKS of their worshipers we can establish who is greater between the two Gods as they both support their worshipers to accomplish what they say so that we can all testify to their ability.

So can you answer these two questions?

Where are the worshipers of Ògún today?
What have they achieved globally as a group?

Thanks in advance!

Proverbs 28:9
Jeremiah 11:14
John 17:8-9

MindHacker9009:
So what message did GOD tell Jonah to take to the people of Nineveh which cannot be found in the Torah? Remember that GOD can also change HIS Mind - Exodus 32:14
Amos 7:3 The Lord changed His mind about this. “It shall not be,” said the Lord.

God created humans in His own image {Genesis 1:26} so humans supposed to make use of our God's given conscience to discern what is evil when dealing with our fellowman {Matthew 7:12} the Torah is just a shadow of what God's Kingdom will be when it's established globally but as for humanity in general we already have our God's given conscience before the Torah. The Torah has not been written when Joseph turned down the sexual advances of Potiphar's wife {Genesis 39:7-9} the same blueprint is found in all humans {Romans 2:14-15} but when humans begin to suppress the conscience that's the time God gets annoyed.
Satan have succeeded in turning Adam and Eve against God but then their children still have something in them to fight back as in resist evil thoughts to an extent.
That's why God say those who choose to kill their conscience aren't His own children {Deuteronomy 32:5} because He Himself will never ever deliberately do what is evil! Genesis 18:25 compare to James 1:13

So just as God told Noah to build an Ark so as to preserve the lives of obedient ones and sent angels to Sodom and Gomorrah to inspect the cities and destroy it if it deserves to be destroyed, the same way God sent Jonah to declare judgment against Nineveh.

There was nothing to TEACH neither those in Noah's day, Inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah or Ninevites because they never had any written laws upon which the tutorial could be developed. All they had is their God's given conscience and God expected each human to make the best use of this, failure to do so mean such a person won't appreciate the Torah even if brought to them because the Torah is all about acknowledgement of the Creator and fairness to our neighbours! Mark 12:28-31

Aemmyjah:
You'd have asked him where he gets his divine healing today

When you read their comments that's the time to know exactly what they have in mind.
Just imagine someone talking about the heat that comes along with failure in human government as if Christians were promised a better living condition in this system of things!

MindHacker9009:
God sent Jonah to Nineveh to tech them the Torah so the Torah was not for Isreal only but for any nation that wants it

Please can you prove the highlighted in the scriptures?

God never sent Jonah to preach nor teach in Nineveh, all he was sent to do is DECLARED GOD'S JUDGMENT ON THAT CITY. Jonah 1:2

Jonah got there and declared saying:

"In just forty days this city will be destroyed" Jonah 3:4

And the countdown began as Jonah wakes up each day to declare the remaining days from 40-39-38-37-36-35.........10-9-8-7-6

He never preached nor taught a single thing in Nineveh!

Please the book (Bible) belongs to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES so before you jump into argument with a JW study hard because it's our book and we can tell you everything in it! Isaiah 54:17

Politics is the original sin!

We must not impose our own standard on our fellowman, let God determine what is good or bad between you and your neighbour.
But with politics man will always dominate his fellowman to injury {Ecclesiastes 8:9} and the only people the oppressed can look up to for help are those oppressing them! Ecclesiastes 4:1
So all the rulers ever on this planet are opposing God as they're trying to set standards eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil!
That's why Samuel grew sad when the Israelites decided to have a king like all other nations! 1Samuel 8:5-9

triplechoice:
Does it mean then that Jesus didn't die for the sins of the Israelites,?

Jesus died for salvation of the entire human race but the chance to benefit must start from among the Jews {Matthew 10:6} before it could extend to other nations {Matthew 15:24 compare to and it's the Jews that will bring it to you. Zechariah 8:23
Only those that believe in Jesus will benefit globally! John 3:16