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Olambees:
Perhaps the Bible is false or inaccurate.......

With this type of comments it's unreasonable arguing based on what is written in any book since you feel it has been adulterated and the book you also carry is not acceptable to the other side the best thing to do is drop both books and use our God's given intellect.

So whoever comes up with a worthwhile and reasonable thought will now have to tell us where or how he came about such wonderful ideology because wisdom is from the most High God. Arguing based on what you were taught which is written in a book against what another person was taught which is also based on the content of a book makes no sense because both of you will continue to argue in support of what is written in the book you're carrying, you will say what his book teaches sounds absorb while he will say exactly the same back at you.

Therefore books should be left out for now so we can think of what is yielding positive result that can't be found elsewhere in the midst of the adherents of any book.
No doubt such a book is from God! Matthew 7:16-18

Olambees:
Now, give me at least one major reason why you left Islam if you are truthful. And I can bet you, By Allah, you will never be reasonable. You are such a liar, you have never been a Muslim.
You can never find fault in Islam if you are a true believer.
You are saying these just because you wanted to derail people.

Are you ready to base this discussion on the highlighted?

I'm 100% sure that you will feel irritated by a sincere discussion if we're to chat without been biased.

So let's start:

I left Islam because the religion failed woefully to present a unique group practicing what their book teaches, there are so many rival groups in Islam and none as in nobody has ever spoken about a unique group practicing Islam in accord with what the book says. This is the most confusing part in all the religions i know around me back then including Islam.

Now before you can convince any reasonable individual that what is written in a book is inspired by God it shouldn't be just what the book says but what is yielding positive results in the midst of adherents.

So can you tell me the name of any unique group practicing Islam to the letter and the positive results of Islam in their midst?

Thanks in advance!

tctrills:
You argument is lame. How are blacks supporting US?
The US has some of it's biggest supporters in the Arab world. Morocco is US oldest Ally. Egypt is one of the US biggest partner in Africa.
Saudi Arabia buys more arms from US than Israel. The US have a strong relationship with Kuwait. They have military base in Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi. There are more US companies in Dubai than any country in Africa.
The Arab world's relationship with US is greater than any black African relationship with the US.
So you are wrong. Black support of the US is not the issue.

You're basing your conclusion on statistics but reality doesn't work that way.
Most people believe dogs love bones but do they try giving them raw meat?
Is it not when they've consumed the meat that the bones are left and bingo has no option?

Ọmọ this one pass you!

SeniorMan715:
God knows what will happen in the future he knows that Adam and Eve will rebell against him and disobey him, he also knows that Satan will rebell against him, why then did he create them ?

Who told you all these?
Please if you're OK with what you believe in the past try to hold onto it i'm not interested in fruitless arguments!

Just because they're arrogantly ignoring Jesus' true disciples see how a common pagan in the name of Islam is disturbing them.
What a pity, Ó mà ṣeo!

Well Jesus Christ said by their FRUITS you will distinguish between true worshipers of God and Satan's agents {Matthew 7:16-18} i have tasted Islam and i can prove beyond every reasonable doubt that there is nothing worth considering in Islam if not mere Arab's political ambitions!

SeniorMan715:
So the anointed ones instantly move to heaven immediately they die?

From Pentecost till 1914 they were sleeping in their graves but immediately Jesus returned in 1914 he has called all those sleeping in death to heaven while the remaining ones are transformed immediately after death from 1914 to join their brothers in heaven!

sonmvayina:
I was never on your way?
Or was I?

Good!
Define and worship your god while i define and worship mine, the problem with you is that your god doesn't care about group unlike mine that can't be worshiped without group yet you can't worship this your god without coming to chat with me.
Is that not hilarious?

ANTIlSLAM:
ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO, sha make sure to take your herbs

I live on herbs everyday!

sonmvayina:
Lol...
It is you that is limited. ..you try to put God in a box.. That's why you are coming up short...
You really don't want to learn, you just want an assurance from people in your group that you are in the right group...It is and was never about group.

I have gotten a God of my CHOICE so go and attend to yours, after all it's not about group so there's no reason you and i should agree on terms define your god and worship it while i define mine and worship Him!

cosiocan:
Being the firstborn of every creature does not mean He's part of the creatures in the context He was called the firstborn of every creature.

Colossians 1:13-17
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Who is the image of the invisible Elohim, the firstborn of every creature:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

All things were created by Him and for Him
That means He's not part of all things that was created. Instead all things that was created belongs to him.

Well that's your own personal definition Sir.
Any firstborn is part of those been born so if all other creatures were Created then the firstborn was also created by someone! Proverbs 8:22

SeniorMan715:
Revelations 20:5
please explain, The rest of the dead didn't come to life until the 1000 years ended ?
Will there be first and second resurrection ?

I already told you that only those who became BORN AGAIN Christians with Christ are alive from God's standpoint because they will be taken to heaven where Satan can't be again to deceive anyone but as for the rest they're still within the reach of Satan. So just as Adam God's first human Son was perfect all those on planet earth will become perfect after Christ's thousand years reign. Then the blood of Jesus can't save anyone again at that time whatever you choose to do when Satan is released will determine where you will be whether ushered into everlasting life or return to dust! Revelations 20:13
So from God's standpoint all those within the reach of Satan after his release from the abyss are not yet alive! Revelations 20:5-6

SeniorMan715:
Are the Governing Body the only anointed ones and how will a person know if they are anointed ? And Can a woman be anointed ?

There are 144,000 anointed brothers of Christ the Governing Body are only serving like the first century apostles overseeing God's people.
Females are also part of the anointed.

SeniorMan715:
Because so many things has been removed from many translations e.g the name of the Author of the Bible. John 17:6,
26
okay but how can i be sure that the translation was the original manuscript of the Bible? And not to favour their belief ?

That's why Jesus said: "by their FRUITS" thousands have gone to make their own translation of the Bible but then a sincere and honest hearted individual only need to watch out for the outcome of such translation, has it been useful in fulfilling what God promised in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4?

SeniorMan715:
Not really, but Ps 47:1 said we should clap and joyfully praise God

Well that shows you can do that if you wish but it's not a compulsion for everyone as long as they're praising God the way first century Christians did!

sonmvayina:
Those are the 3 attributes that define God. If yours is misses 1, I am afraid, he/she/it is not universal..

My own God differs from yours so go and attend to your god!

SeniorMan715:
I have been praying and God have been answering my prayers ?

You're right Jesus also told us that anyone can call on God (privately) and be rest assured that God will answer {Matthew 6:6} because He extends His hands to everyone {Matthew 5:45} but when Jesus and his disciples comes to you they're not for your private desires which should be between you and God alone rather they're calling all those who wants to WORK with God in this time of the end so there are rules and protocols to be adhere to strictly, that is why Jesus told his disciples that anytime they gather in his name (for the purpose of what he commissioned the group) he will come into their midst! Matthew 18:20

So Jehovah's Witnesses aren't coming for your private desires rather what binds us together as ONE with God and Jesus is the will of God which must be done on earth {John 17:20-23} in fact that's what our prayers mainly focus on when we gather {Matthew 6:10} but as for all your private desires you don't need anyone to help you talk to your Creator! Luke 6:12

SeniorMan715:
The Israelites capped, dance and sing to God after he delivered them from the Army of Egypt

We learn everyday, please do you have a Bible verse that specifically mentioned "CLAPPING"?

If Jesus is the first born of all creation who are the so called "creations" that followed the first born?

SeniorMan715:
So it means that when someone accept your teachings, when next you come to their house you will pray because they have accepted the truth?

NO! The spirit will lead us.
It's the spirit that determines when we should start praying for/with a Bible student.
It took the JWs almost a month as they were coming each week to study with me, though as a Muslim i don't think i need prayers from those who won't pray without calling Jesus so i didn't request but one of my neighbours said a lot of things against and the only i could pick is the prayer aspect so i decided i will ask them after the study and to my shocking surprise the brother came and said:

Now that you've been trying to practice what you're learning and apply it in your daily life it's appropriate to ask God to help you in doing His will"

So he told me how their prayer goes and ever since then i felt this calmness in my approach towards all things even though i'm not a calm person but something began redirecting me to be calm in everything i do. Well i believe it's the spirit of their God!

SeniorMan715:
Is clapping and singing praise to God okay and right?

Jehovah appreciate music and most especially from His beloved children but the clapping aspect is what i can't say. Please help me figure out if there's anywhere God's people clapped for him in the past.

SeniorMan715:
Is speaking in tongue from God because the apostles and disciples spoke in tongue ?

Speaking in tongues happened for a purpose and the purpose has been met so it's no longer needed today.

SeniorMan715:
Why does Jw reject Tracts and Brochures from other group but want them to accept theirs ?

Tracts aren't our intention but to discuss with you but most people do say they're in a hurry or busy so we drop the tract so if you're ready to discuss there's no need for tracts.

SeniorMan715:
Why did Jw translated the Bible from it original manuscript ?

Because so many things has been removed from many translations e.g the name of the Author of the Bible. John 17:6, 26

SeniorMan715:
Please always explain with scriptures backing

It's OK

SeniorMan715:
Please don't be offended with my plenty questions i know you may have been in my situation maybe when you were searching for the truth, a lot must have in your mind plenty of questions seeking for answers.
I have seen many denominations i strongly believe am in the right path but i really need to be convinced.

I was much more inquisitive than you are!

SeniorMan715:
How is it a sin?

Sin is what anyone do that's contrary to God's required standard.
Prayer means making supplications to the spirit realms either to the true God or demons.
To distinguish Himself from demons the true God demands that sinners (imperfect humans) learn His divine required standards and humble themselves to comply before thinking of approaching Him in prayer:

The one refusing to listen to the law —Even his prayer is detestable. Proverbs 28:9

When Jeremiah wanted to pray in behalf of the Jews God warned him not to try it:

“As for you, do not pray in behalf of this people. Do not cry out in their behalf or offer a prayer for them, for I will not be listening when they call out to me because of their calamity. Jeremiah 11:14

So in harmony with this standard Jesus did not pray with or for anyone who will not accept God's word from him, he only pray for those who have accepted his teachings and willing to live their lives in harmony with the counsel:

because I have given them the sayings that you gave me, and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me. I make request concerning them; I make request, not concerning the world, but concerning those whom you have given me, because they are yours; John 17:8-9

Note that despite the fact that Jesus came to save the world {John 3:16} but he strictly adhere to God's standard that's why his disciples got fed up and demanded saying:

“Lord, teach us how to pray, just as John also taught his disciples.” Luke 11:1

John prayed with his own disciples because they're ready to comply with the Mosaic laws that's why they went to him for baptism but Jesus' teachings totally differs from what Moses taught so it's only those who are willing to comply that Jesus must pray with.

We are his true disciples so we stick to his way of doing things as we believe that it's the only approved before God! John 14:6

MindHacker9009:
What I said on that thread was that "But black magic in Africa just gives its believers false sense that charm can protect, stop bullets and can give money which is FAKE." Also that "The whites came with the first type of machine gun in 1897. The thing is that they have access to supernatural knowledge that teaches them science and technology to make all the technology we have today. "

You are the one that is still having a long struggle with the truth.

Back to the topic you have been trying to move away from:
Keep deceiving gullible people that your holy spirit did a runner from the Temple when the Roman armies entered Jerusalem.
But your holy spirit could show it's power with Ananias and Sapphire.

If Peter can pull out a sword and do what he did below then surely he or his assistants could have done it to Ananias and Sapphire.

John 18:10
10 Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s servant, cutting off his right ear. (The servant’s name was Malchus.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTxDcif-XT4

Enjoy yourself!

AllenforGOD:
abeg john 10:30"I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE"jesus is God.

That's not what Jesus meant there

This is what he meant:
I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. John 17:22

SeniorMan715:
Jw have preached to me several times but they have never prayed for me even if I request, why?

Because it's wrong as in SIN to do so!

efficiencie:
Well you've got a point there and I respect your opinion. Perhaps my Jewish deity has no influence whatsoever in your life!

It's because you lack accurate knowledge of God's word that's why you think the God of the Bible may not have influence on some people. For your information as long as a person wakes up each morning to have one thing or another with his/her fellow human the God of the Bible has influence on you!

Please tell me who amongst mankind is not working seriously to put food on his table?
Or who hasn't lost a loved on in death?
Or who doesn't feel the effects of religious activities around him or her? Genesis 3:19

For the fact that someone is here discussing about God alone is an indisputable evidence that the God of the Bible has influence in what he or she is doing because it costs you time, data and exerting of your brains to be here arguing about God!

SeniorMan715:
What's of Omniscient and Omnipotent?

Since God restricted Himself from knowing everything man is doing to themselves He can't be Omniscient that's why He said:

“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.” Genesis 18:20-21

“Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, for now I do know that you are God-fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me.” Genesis 22:12
Please consider God's own words as spoken to Abraham here, does it sound like He is Omniscient?

It's through Abraham's conversation that we know that there are certain things God cannot do:

It is unthinkable that you would act in this manner by putting the righteous man to death with the wicked one so that the outcome for the righteous man and the wicked is the same! It is unthinkable of you. Will the Judge of all the earth not do what is right?” Genesis 18:25

So unlike the common ideology that God is capable of doing everything Abraham made us to know here that God can't do what is not right! James 1:13

Davidf555:
No where in the bible was hell mentioned, and it's not possible to believe the reports of those who went to hell. Cause you literally have to be brain dead for death to occur and there's no turning back for that.

Hell is an obsolete English word for Grave in Hebrew it's called Sheoul and in Greek Hades.
The only difference is the word Gehenna (Hebrew) which means complete destruction.
At death all creatures goes to Hell/Grave but useful ones will be remembered for resurrection while useless ones will be forgotten in their graves {Psalms 9:17} this is the condition Jesus referred to as Gehenna or Lake of Fire the second kind of death where there's no hope of resurrection! Revelations 20:14

AllenforGOD:
max who told you jesus is michael?and how is jesus an archangel?jesus is the SON OF GOD,HE'S GOD<JOHN 10:30 ,JOHN 14:10>

It's through careful reading, diligent study and thorough meditation on what is written in the Bible that i discovered that Jesus is the same as Archangel Michael.
He never claimed to be God rather he always say he is God's Son and as intelligent beings we all know the difference between father and son, even John the apostle wrote:

In the beginning WAS the Word, and the Word WAS with God, and the Word WAS God. John 1:1

Note that John never said the word IS God but WAS God because Jesus served as God just as Moses also served as God {Exodus 7:1} in fact Apostles Peter confirmed that Jesus is a prophet of God who came in the manner of Moses the one and only prophet who served as God! Act 3:20-23

So Jesus (according to apostle Peter) is a prophet of God sent in the manner of Moses!

Hismasterpiece:
Max max... my dear brother neighbor... i hope your JW deceptions wear off one day...

And i hope you're able to IDENTIFY the group that's practicing what Jesus taught one day!

SeniorMan715:
Please can you explain Leviticus 17:14 for me

The Creator is the greatest scientist He knows the formation of blood and how destructive it is when it's consumed by another creature so He warned the Israelites not to eat blood with the flesh of any animal they choose to cook. Before Noah's time nobody has ever eaten flesh everyone eats vegetables and fruits but after Noah came out of the Ark God told him to start eating the flesh of animals without the blood {Genesis 9:3-4} though no one knows why God made this statement but it's obvious the deluge with the curse which resulted from God's anger has washed away so many plants that sustained life of people back then making them live above 500 years so the flesh of animals comes in to replace what was lost: though this is not written but it might be the reason why God told Noah to start consuming the flesh of animals but what matters most is he must not eat anything with it's blood! Act 15:28-29

SeniorMan715:
How is Jesus a God in human flesh?

Jesus was a mighty spirit son of God in heaven before God transformed his life into an embryo in the womb of a virgin Jewish girl, he was the first creature God made {Colossians 1:15-16} and he worked alongside his father during creation {Proverbs 8:22-30 compare to John:1-1} so when he found himself as a man on planet earth he couldn't remember most of the things he has done in his past life back in heaven not until his baptism by God's chosen prophet who prepared the way for Christ, at that moment Jesus' memories of his past life all returned to him and he began doing things he did doing creation, that's why he could cure all manners of diseases, expel demons and even control the forces of nature because he is the architect God employed to create all these things!
So Jesus was God not because he is the creator but because his father wants him to be a God in human flesh just as God made Moses to be a God in human flesh {Exodus 7:1} without the support of God Jesus can't do a single thing {John 8:28-29} in fact God told the Israelites that He will raise another prophet like Moses and they must listen to him {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} this is the same Jesus of Nazareth the God in human form! Act 3:22

SeniorMan715:
Why did God planted the Forbidden Fruit in the garden of Eden?

The forbidden fruit is not literal but symbolic it simply means Adam and Eve could do anything they like but they must not try to set standards for other humans to be born because that will lead to disaster!
Setting standards for right and wrong (good and evil) is what has led mankind to this point today that man keeps dominating his fellow man to injury! Ecclesiastes 8:9

That's why God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil: set personal standards for their fellow humans!

SeniorMan715:
Can you please throw more light on this

The Creator has the power to see everyone at the same time anywhere they are (Omnipresent) but He has chosen not to see them because what He is seeing saddens Him most times {Genesis 6:5} this is why He sends out His loyal spirit sons (angels) and empowered them with the ability to see all that is happening in their surroundings {Ezekiel 10:12} this are the ones bringing Him reports of what the descendants of Adam are doing to themselves throughout the world! Genesis 18:20-21

So when religionists claim that God is present everywhere today we tell them that it's not so it's His loyal spirit sons that goes around the earth they're the ones serving as eyes to Him {2Chronicles 16:9} not just to see everything but to note those who are upright and how to reward them. But as for evildoers the true God has closed His eyes towards them so they have no record with Him that's why they will not be remembered during the resurrection of useful ones Jesus referred to people who deliberately ignored God as walking corpse {Luke 9:60} all their life ends at death as they will routine forever in their graves! Psalms 9:17

Steep:
You have no problem with davido, wizkid and Burnaby songs because you are not a Christian simple.

I have no problem with any entertainer so far they're going about their usual businesses not disguising as if they're doing it for Jesus! 2Corinthians 11:12

hort07:
Okay sir, I understand sir....

Good morning my friend, the coast is clear now you can ask any question that comes to your mind regarding true Christianity and how Jesus' modern day disciples are worshiping the true God in spirit and truth!

@ MindHacker 9009 at least you now agree that there is spiritual powers after a long struggle with the truth:

https://www.nairaland.com/7048172/proof-black-magic-does-not

Just know that while God's Holy Spirit is WORKING for God's will Satan and demons are also out there performing BLACK MAGIC! Exodus 8:18-19