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tctrills:
First, in Genesis 6, the bible never indicated that marriage was a sin.
Secondly, I gave you an example of Solomon a son of God; God was not pleased with his marrying unbelievers.
Thirdly, You say angels are spirits, You can't touch a spirit. Spirits don't have sex. Cant, you see how wrong you are?
Fourthly, you continue to assume and not depend on the revealed word
Fifth, Jesus is the son of God, is he also an Angel? If he is a son of God and not an Angel, then Your claim then there could be other sons of God who are not angels.
So you are wrong, the statement could have been 100% about man

Those angels were present when God created Adam in THEIR likeness {Genesis 1:26} and according to the Bible Eve was created later {Genesis 2:21-22} so the angels who love to enjoy sex that they never experienced since they're all the same gender (males) decided to mold fine bodies for themselves from the dust of the earth just as God did with Adam but since they don't possess the power to make it live they possessed the bodies themselves and became handsome young and vibrant men highly intelligent that all the ladies back then can't resist! Genesis 6:2

All these deep insight you won't find because it's God's Holy Spirit that's teaching true Christians all other things not written to make them understand what is written to the full! John 16:12-13

That is how the sons of God making love to daughters of men began producing gigantic children (Nephilims) who became bullies everywhere back then {Genesis 6:4} and that's why God decided to wipe out that generation through a global deluge.

But to prove that you don't understand God's word please can you tell this forum why God decided to wipe out the earth back then yet evil has continued till today?

That's a homework for you if truly you love God's word and you're a Christian commanded by Christ to TEACH others! Matthew 28:20

MindHacker9009:
The writers of the New Testament were not eyewitnesses of Jesus and all this gentle Jesus only happened when Rome was occupying Israel.
I'm not repeating myself, I'm presenting real facts and not making up my own stories like you make up your FAKE stories.

So if you're quoting the Bible stick to the book not quoting it and applying what you found outside the book. If you can't find any book having Jesus' story apart from the Bible then concentrate on what the book says!

oteneaaron:
I don't see "God" as simply some physical manifestation who lives in "heaven", has a special people, gets jealous and feels regret - these are human features.

When you study the attributes of YHWH in the bible especially the old testament, that is exactly how he is portrayed.

The Bible God said He created humans in His own image {Genesis 1:26} so His attributes like having strong likeness for selected individuals, getting jealous and feels regret shows the consistency in His word!

tctrills:
Agreed we are his Sons and daughters so you shouldn't have an issue with the sons of God part.
But then, we also have John1.12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Hence in a very different sense, believers are sons of God.
the only difference here is adoption: God adopted some imperfect humans due to the goals they set for themselves.
So there's no daughter born to spirits all the women on this planet are daughters of men! I don't understand your statement. If all women on this planet are daughters of men then why do you have a problem believing that the sons

Because there's nothing wrong in men marrying women so the sons of God mentioned @ Genesis 6:1-5 can't be humans since it's God's will that men and women should get married and multiply! Genesis 1:28

So those sons of God aren't humans!

MindHacker9009:
The New Testament was written after the fall of Jerusalem and the Temple and Masada. Before this they were all zealots.

Form the New Testament there are clues below that the followers of Jesus were zealots
Here master Jesus told Peter to put away his sword NOT 'THROW AWAY HIS SWORD'
John 18:10
10 Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s servant, cutting off his right ear. (The servant’s name was Malchus.)
11 Jesus commanded Peter, “Put your sword away! Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given me?”
And here master Jesus told them to buy a sword
Luke 22:36
He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
Enven the Holy Spirit too was a zealot for what He did to Ananias And Sapphire

I never argued with you that the books were written after Jerusalem's conquest which means the writers were still alive contrary to your opinion that the Roman armies killed the Christians. Secondly the SWORD Jesus Christ meant here is later understood by the Christians that it's not a physical weapon.
Why? Jesus is their leader so as a leader he supposed to lead by example but did he ever make use of physical weapons? NO!

So when the disciples prayed for the guidance of God's Holy Spirit they decipher that Jesus was talking about God's word {John 17:17 compare to Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12} that is why they never used physical weapons after their baptism by God's Holy Spirit {Act 2:1-4} in fulfilment of Jesus' command that they must be cautious as serpents and harmless as doves! Matthew 10:16

You're just repeating yourself now you have nothing more to say!

SeniorMan715:
Among Christianity we have different doctrines and believes, which of them is truly the one God accept ?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm this is what you need to figure out yourself but all i can do for now is guide you as we reason together from the scriptures. Proverbs 2:1-5

Christianity is the last and final form of worship God intended which will lead millions to Paradise but shortly after Jesus commissioned this movement Satan too initiated his own agents and mixed them up with Jesus' group {Matthew 13:25} so if you're not careful it will be difficult to identify those practicing Christianity in the real sense that's why Jesus promised honest hearted and sincere individuals that there's a certain kind of fruit expected of Christianity {Matthew 7:16-18} only the group that's producing this fruit is the one and only true Christian group while all the others are Satan's arrangement! Matthew 7:13-14

So what is the FRUIT expected of pure worship in this last days?

Please read the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3 then let me know what you understood after the reading!

MindHacker9009:
Form the New Testament there are clues below that the followers of Jesus were zealots
Here master Jesus told Peter to put away his sword NOT 'THROW AWAY HIS SWORD'
John 18:10
10 Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s servant, cutting off his right ear. (The servant’s name was Malchus.)
11 Jesus commanded Peter, “Put your sword away! Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given me?”
And here master Jesus told them to buy a sword
Luke 22:36
He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
Enven the Holy Spirit too was a zealot for what He did to Ananias And Sapphire

Jewish zealots were members of the Jewish community planning a revolution against the Roman empire but Jesus bought many of them with his blood to become peacelovers.
Of course most of them were still nursing the ambition of overthrowing the Roman government {Act 1:6} but Jesus told them that God's Holy Spirit will teach them what to do to people of all other nations: PREACH and make disciples! Act 1:7-8 compare to Matthew 28:19-20

So instead of continuing as Jewish zealots they became cautious as serpents and harmless as doves! Matthew 10:16

tctrills:
Sir I am not getting your question. I never said there are daughters born to spirit. Please make your question clear.
Do you agree with the bible that Solomon is the son of God?

All humans are sons and daughters of God because we were created in His image, the only difference here is adoption: God adopted some imperfect humans due to the goals they set for themselves.
So there's no daughter born to spirits all the women on this planet are daughters of men!

tctrills:
Do you have any scripture that says there has never been any son of God after Adam or are you assuming again.
In Solomon's case I did not assume. God himself called him his son or do you want me to show you the verse?

Just as God called Adam His Son {Luke 3:38} and Adam married to Eve with whom they had children both males and females {Genesis 5:4-5} so where did God say there are daughters who aren't born to men {Genesis 6:1} whom the sons of God later married?

SeniorMan715:
I believe the world was created and there's someone who created it, Which is God, So my question is What's his purpose for creating it?

For this is what Jehovah says, The Creator of the heavens, the true God, The One who formed the earth, its Maker who firmly established it, Who did not create it simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. Isaiah 45:18
God created the earth for mankind to inhabit it! Psalms 115:16
Thanks!

MindHacker9009:
You are the one making a FAKE comment. The Romans kept a historical record of the wars with the Jewish Zealots who fought a guerilla war with the Roman Armies. In a guerilla war the fighters can flee to a different base if one base gets destroyed.

The highlighted is what you need!

Christians don't fight so they can't be in the company of zealots who hate Christianity with passion. Just as i told you earlier soldiers target rebels nor peaceful people like the first century Jewish Christians.
So can you see how this logic flawed your story regarding the whereabout of the first century Jewish disciples of Christ who left Jerusalem?

MindHacker9009:
Since Satan, who gives you the things you post on this forum, can not help you answer the question, then I will help you. They fled to the mountain of Masada east of Jerusalem, but the Roman armies still went there to meet them and they were not spared.
The Siege of Masada (73 AD) - Last Stand of the Great Jewish Revolt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11iPrDv8aBE
As you and satan has been flawed my first comment remains correct:

Paul and Barnabas who were missionaries at that time also were captured with the rest on that same mountain shey?
Ọmọ you're really funny walahi talahi!
So you assume that it's all the disciples that were living in Judea back then?
For your information it's only the twelve apostles of Christ that Jesus commanded to remain in Jerusalem until the sign of Jerusalem's destruction. So by the time they saw the sign they all moved out of Jerusalem but the Roman Armies never went there because Jerusalem was the main target of the army to bring the Jewish system of things to nothing.
The military has nothing to do with destroying lives rather our target is to make them surrender so if any country wants to capture Nigeria their main target is the central unit of control which is "Abuja" once Abuja has been captured all other Nigerian states will yield.
That's how the military operates from time immemorial.
So the story telling you that after the central unit of control has been captured that the army still goes to surrounding towns is fake as in FAKE!

MindHacker9009:
Jesus told them to flee to the mountains, so did they obey the instructions of master Jesus Christ and which of them did? Mind you that mountains are not surrounding towns.

I have rendered the missile Satan gave you futile {Isaiah 54:17} so think of something else!

oteneaaron:
Indoctrination is a powerful tool for MIND CONTROL and this is what makes Religion dangerously powerful.

The highlighted is Satan's tool of catching you but it's not going to work with the servants of JEHOVAH.
Let me enlighten you today!

According to God's word Satan used this idea to alienate humans from God so that they will think they're free from control {Genesis 3:1-5} but later became their god with the assistance of demons and desperate humans who made themselves available for Satan as his agents.
With the demons Satan initiated many gods throughout the earth and with humans like him who wants to dominate their fellowman these ones became kings from place to place using their fellow humans as soldiers to grab more territories. With this network Satan became the SUPREME RULER over mankind.

So when JEHOVAH determined to introduce Himself as the SUPREME BEING He allowed the descendants of His friend (Abraham) to go down to Egypt where they were enslaved for 400 years, all hopes has been lost since there is nobody among the children of Israel who is powerful enough to release this people that is the time God decided to release the Israelites.
First of all Moses who had the privilege of being trained in the palace of Pharaoh thought he can use his position to release the Israelites as a youth he decided to make the move but ended up in exile for another forty years.
It's when Moses and Aaron his brother has become feeble octogenarians then JEHOVAH used the two against the world most powerful and influential king of that time to release His people without a military force!

Surely JEHOVAH is the true GOD as in the SUPREME BEING!

Today Satan has complicated issues for himself and the entire human race with his system of rule to the point where all his arrangement failed to bring peace among mankind, all what everyone depends on to live is WEAPONS and ti be protected by MILITARY SERVICES but at this same time JEHOVAH used His Holy Spirit to gather all His own people throughout the earth under one umbrella and controlling them through the study of His word so that they're able to cohabit peacefully without using WEAPONS among themselves! Isaiah 2:2-4

This is what i'm expecting from you not the cheap obsolete blackmail of mind control because without the so called "MIND CONTROL" people are killing people everywhere {Revelations 6:3-4} and there is nothing as in NOTHING your so called GREATER ACHIEVER is able to do, whereas the worshipers of JEHOVAH has achieved PEACE within all those having the same line of thought with Him! John 17:22

Do you know the knockout JEHOVAH used for Satan your god?

JEHOVAH presented His qualities: LOVE JOY PEACE PATIENCE GOODNESS GENTLENESS FAITH MILDNESS AND SELF-CONTROL {Galatians 5:22-23} to His worshipers this are the qualities each of them is working towards and as they're working together with the spirit of JEHOVAH orderliness is achieved in the midst of the worshipers of the one and only SUPREME BEING, the GREATEST ACHIEVER of all times: JEHOVAH the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!

oteneaaron:
MaxInDHouse why do love going around in circles?
Is your God, Jehovah omnipotent or not?
Since you have agreed that he is not, it's fine.
Unlike your God, the Infinite Mind is actually omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient.
You can do whatever with that information.

I have told you that your definition of GOD is not acceptable since it's not the primary meaning of SUPREME BEING. But if you think it is then present the GREATER ACHIEVER you know and HIS, HER or IT'S ACHIEVEMENTS.

You're trying to dodge from the truth because you think everyone is unintelligent like you that faithless people around you wooed with cheap philosophical theories that has nothing to do with reality!

I am one of the WORSHIPER of JEHOVAH we are a million times smarter than Satan, all his demons and human agents put together.
If you're here to discourage people from false religions it's OK but creating a hoax and thinking true disciples of the most wonderful counselor will be trapped, no way!

Deal with the fact that the SUPREME BEING has nobody that's more powerful than Him not presumptuously creating what you can't adequately defend!

Ken4Christ:
Just point out one statement made by Mary Baxter that is not consistent with the word of God.

Jesus talked about people being tormented in hell and her experience confirmed it. It's just that it's far worse than what she expected.

It is your doctrine that completely denies the existence of hell that is wrong.

You find it difficult to accept this true life experience because it will completely destroy the foundation of your doctrine

You you have to look for scripture to twist to back up your lies.

If you know the risk you are taking, you will repent fast.

Keep defending your lies. Satan is waiting to receive your wicked soul. I hope your cell will be close to that of Russell.

Jesus never talked about people tormenting after death it was a PARABLE.
But it's obvious you people have nothing to PREACH as GOOD NEWS that's why you only concentrate on your literal rendering of Jesus' parables!

MindHacker9009:
You are the one that does not beleive the Jesus you are preaching about. Jesus said they should flee to the mountains, so did they flee to the mountains when they saw the armies of Rome?

According to the scriptures the first century Jewish disciples were doing everything with one accord as they follow the instructions given by their master Jesus Christ.
So they did flee Jerusalem to surrounding towns!

tctrills:
You lie. I have never in my discussion with you since the first day we ever argued made a single assumption about the revealed word.
Please prove me wrong.
Christianity is based on revealed truth. When we choose to replace the revealed word with our human assumptions, we fall into apostasy.
When God has not revealed on a particular matter, as his children, we wait on the Lord. We do not make up stories of angles having sex with women. These your stories make Christianity a joke and they only create more unanswered questions.

There has never been any sons of God after Adam's disobedience who shouldn't have sex with female humans, your interpretation of Solomon marrying pagan females as daughters of men is a confirmed assumption because God never referred to any female as daughters of God so where is it written in the scriptures that there are some females who are daughters of God not to be married by sons of men or vice versa?

MindHacker9009:
May you have SENSE to stop changing what Jesus said

Jesus walked this planet as a human so think before applying what a human being who care for others say not just trying to rubbish him simply because you don't believe (trust) in him!

oteneaaron:
simple logic.

Power over all other beings.

That's what SUPREME BEING means.

So since you said you already have a GREATER ACHIEVER all you need now is tell me who you know that's MORE POWERFUL and has ACHIEVED more than JEHOVAH not just a hoax!

tctrills:
As I said, your entire believe system is based on assuming and not the revealed word. Has God revealed who he was speaking to?

At least He was talking to someone or some people and since Jesus referred to Him as a (one) spirit then He must have children and they're the children shouting in applause back then when He created the earth! Job 38:7

You keep talking about assumptions yet you've made lots and lots of assumptions here!

tctrills:
Like I said you are assuming. He could have been talking to Jesus Christ.

And He could have been talking to many other spirit beings as well!

MindHacker9009:
Jesus told them to flee to the mountains simple instruction so why do you disagree with Jesus.

Jesus is our saviour so when he talks it has to do with SAVING lives that's what you failed to grasp here!

tctrills:
It does not mean he has primary children. It could mean a thousand different things. Stop assuming.
Luke 3.38 did not call Adam a secondary son of God.

Well God was talking to some people or someone @ Genesis 1:26 and no human has been created by then so He must be talking to His PRIMARY CHILDREN before creating humans (SECONDARY CHILDREN) in their image!

oteneaaron:
Exactly my point.
Do not quote me out of context.
Have you forgotten that it is what you cannot see that is the cause of the things you can see?
Before you do anything today, you must have first thought about it in your mind.
It is what the ancients call the natural law.
Nobody in the entire cosmos can escape this law of cause and effect.
You can't escape this law, neither can your God.
So therefore, EVERYTHING you can see today, including your God Jehovah, are only but a thought in the Infinite Mind.
I guess this is difficult for you to fathom.

The problem here is i'm saying something but you're saying another thing!

oteneaaron:
Who is this Supreme Being you speak about?
Is it Jehovah/Yaweh?
If yes, what are the attributes that makes him the Supreme Being?

This is where we started this discussion.
I'm less concerned about what you think rather i'm interested in knowing the SUPREME BEING and what makes HIM, HER, IT supreme.

So philosophies that has nothing to do with orderliness among beings is of no use now because each of us is an intelligent being therefore the one who is SUPREME must have ACHIEVED GREATER things that we need to see before we can agree that HE, SHE or IT is truly SUPREME.

Don't forget that even among humans supremacy has to do with WORK, INFLUENCE or CONTROL so present the ACHIEVEMENTS of this your so called GREATER ACHIEVER not just THEORIES with no PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS nor BENEFITS!

tctrills:
Yea, you can say bread and house mean the same. It's your opinion. You have not shown any bible verse that equates angels to the sons of God. You have only shown 2 different translations telling a different story.
Then again the bible never said God has primary children or secondary kids. Do you even believe in the bible?

Then God said: “Let us make man in OUR image, according to OUR likeness" Genesis 1:26

If God said this to someone then it means He has PRIMARY children and Adam happens to be a SECONDARY Son of God! Luke 3:38

SeniorMan715:
What does Jehovah's Witnesses believe ?

Please Sir i'm deeply sorry for turning down your DM, i have had serious issues in the past honouring people with DM.

Well Jehovah's Witnesses believe in the Most High God whose name is JEHOVAH.
It seems you truly want to discuss with me so let's chat on one of my threads on this forum:

https://www.nairaland.com/6944186/study-bible-jehovahs-witnesses-2

https://www.nairaland.com/7263134/what-gods-today-matthew-7


If you want to learn from Jehovah's Witnesses please ignore distractions from faithless people because we are on a totally different page! Matthew 7:13-14

God bless you!

MindHacker9009:
But Jesus told them where to flee to, which was to the mountains. So did they flee to the mountains or not?

For the benefit of other followers i'll digress a bit!

Jerusalem is where the temple of the Jews was situated back then and it's the only place Jews believe their orders will come from whether to succumb to pressure from invaders or defend themselves. Because they strongly believe their God will not allow His temple to be invaded. So the Roman government know that once Jerusalem has been brought to nothing the arrogant Jews will be humbled.

In ancient times the mountains is a safer place to run during wars because from all angles you can sight any army approaching. So since his disciples aren't to fight in order to protect Jerusalem, fleeing to the mountains simply means running to a safer place!

oteneaaron:
Please don't misquote me.
I didn't ask a question.
Just like how your concious mind works that it is what you think about that is created in your life, this Infinite Mind is behind all you see today in existence both seen and unseen-
Everything - You, Me, your God, and all the billions of galaxies in the cosmos, are all but a thought by the Infinite Mind.
The fact that you can think is an absolute and attestation to the power of the Infinite Mind.
The fact that you can cannot control how your heart pumps blood, neither can you control your skin to secrete sweat when you sleep, is another abosolute attestation to the Infinite Mind.
It is all in all.
It is everywhere and in everything all at once.
It is in you - look within!
Can your God claim the same thing?

This is what you typed:

oteneaaron:
Why do have to wait when there is already a GREATER Acheiver?
So GREAT that it is called the Infinite Mind behind the entire cosmos.
Because it is everywhere at once, knows everything, is all powerful, and permeates into the inner spaces of the universe.
Your God Jehovah, is only a weak shadow of that infinite mind - Just as you are also an image of that infinite mind.
No wonder your God was referred to by the Gnostics of old as the DEMIURGE.

So instead of talking about what we can't see i want us to focus on the ACHIEVEMENTS of this your newly found GREATER ACHIEVER who has achieved much more than my own JEHOVAH so i can compare the two!

@oteneaaron what are the ACHIEVEMENTS of this GREATER ACHIEVER?
I will love to know about it because as i have always told you that though we concentrate on working with the God we know presently true believers keeps searching for the Most High God!

MindHacker9009:
Jerusalem at that time was in the province of Judea. Jesus told them to flee to the mountains. So did they flee to the mountains or not?

The encamped armies surrounded JERUSALEM so other places outside the city is safe!

MindHacker9009:
Jesus ask Christians to flee to the mountains. So where did they flee to?
May you have SENSE

His said FLEE (LEAVE) Jerusalem and so they did!

Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin FLEEING to the mountains, let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her. Luke 21:21