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tctrills:
First, I notice you are doing a great job avoiding my question on Matthew 5:41,' whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two'. This was your covid19 lockdown excuse. Was Jesus talking to disciples or prospective disciples?

Secondly, I like the fact that = you are now shifting ground. So you are now saying that Matthew 5-7 was not the Jewish law however, it was not his Law to his followers but something in the middle. Very funny.
It doesn't matter if he was talking to prospective disciples, the question is, was he teaching them his commandments? Does he have 2 sets of commandments, one for disciples and the other for prospective?
When you as JW teach prospective members, do you teach them the commandments of God or the Prospective commandments of God?

Of course Jesus was laying the foundation of the New Covenant with the sermon on the mount so it's those who stick to him through thick and thin that he gave that new commandment not all his listeners.
Note that along the way most of those following him turned their backs never to go to him again {John 6:66} it's after seeing that this ones are ready to follow him anywhere he goes that he now gave them that new commandment! John 13:34-35

In the same manner JWs only preach and teach the things Jesus commanded us to teach strangers but before we baptize them we begin teaching them the deeper things so they may choose to continue with us or take their leave, if they take their leave we will continue to greet them because they showed interest in our God but they're not our brothers since they never stood firm for what binds us together as one. But in the case of someone who has vowed to live his/her life in harmony with the teachings of our King then suddenly turn his back and go back to the things behind {Luke 9:62} we must not greet him or her! Romans 16:17; 2John 10-11

I noticed that you're dodging these two scriptures written by the first century Jewish disciples of Christ but don't worry we know why!

tctrills:
No, Matthew 5 to 7 does not contain the Jewish commandments. You need to read it.

Matthew 5-7 is a sermon to establish his own kingdom not what the Jew knew or were taught in their laws that's why he has to tell them:
“Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill" Matthew 5:17
Because everything he taught that day was totally strange to their hearing!
In fact the prayers, fasting and many other things they were doing along with their prophets Jesus said things totally different from all! Matthew 6:1-8

tctrills:
Also, the other day, your excuse for no longer preaching on the streets after the Covid19 lockdown was "you were going the extract mile". I am sure that you guys forgot that it was in Matthew 5 that Jesus taught that principle. Was he teaching Jewish law or was he talking to his disciples?

He was talking to prospective disciples among the Jews so it's not the usual laws they knew that he was talking about! Matthew 5:33-48

You will continue to hear him say "you have heard but i am now telling you"

Gromilla010:
This post right here, summaries the Genesis of christian confusion and the fallibility found 8n the bible your confusion.

Supreme creator is not same as Yahweh.
Yahweh is Supreme Creators aspect.
[/Danyal chapter eighteen verse 9
9. And the deception of Yacob shall be famed all over the world. For he hated Hittite your kingdom because of the possession of great knowledge found with them. And Esau his brother loved Hittite so much that he took a wife from your kingdom in those days, which Faulkin the god of Yacob had before commanded that no descendant of Brahma, Isaak and Yacob should take a wife from that place, because he has made them his everlasting enemy.


Guys I nearly cry when I saw this, all so called Christians are in deep deception, when I saw where suppose god command some Israelite not to marry from some tribes/Kingdom because they are his enemies, is he not the one that created all of us?, and they said he's love, he loves the world, then why he hates some tribes, why he keeps creating tribes that he hates, why letting them have more children to be multiplied.why he took a mere mortals as his enemies when he knows that him and Satan is the beginning of the problem, why he can't forgive, why order a tribe to kill some innocent tribes and take their land .. Islam and Christianity has scams the world, and I know that some world expect or scientists nor some intelligent people in the world has discovered and know the truth about this world but they decide to hide it for the peace of the world, this last Sunday, I heard that a Nigerian Pastor in my area here in Pretoria was praying for an hypertensive person, I don't know how much he laid his hand on the victim or maybe he push him so that he can fall, to my surprise, that family man(Nigerian) died instantly, and am wondering why holy ghost spirit doesn't restored his life back to him up till now, religion is the problem of this world,and people will not listen because of the useless hell fire ...

He detests demons and those people are worshipers of demons that's what makes them His enemies!
Demons are fallen angels and they're going to be destroyed so they're desperate to make all people evil in order for God to destroy us all, that's why they're God's enemies as well as our enemies!

tctrills:
No you are mixing it. You believe Christ has 2 sets of commands. One for the crowd and the other for the disciples.

He reminds the Jews God's law but to his own disciples he gives another law!

There's a difference between Jesus and Christ.
The man Jesus is a Jew who grew up among the Jews and was taught all the Jewish laws along with all other Jewish children {Deuteronomy 6:4-7} but the day he got baptized everything about him changed and he became Christ one who is establishing a New Covenant and that's what he is TEACHING his own disciples not the general Jewish laws.
So if you truly want to know the difference it's simple because after his disciples received the Holy Spirit they love everyone as neighbours but fellow believers as brothers! Galatians 6:10

Ken4Christ:
It is your body that dies. Your soul lives on. The human spirit and soul do not cease to exist. Please, I beg you to repent. Hell is real. Don't fall into the trap of the false teachings of Jehovah Witness.

Ezekiel 18:4

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

As for spirit it's the breath in all creatures and it simply means the power actuating all creatures which belongs to God not the person:

for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile. Ecclesiastes 3:19

Stop deceiving yourself at death all creatures ceases to exist the only hope is a resurrection that's why Job said God will remember him in the grave (hell) Job 14:13-15

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are dead as in DEAD but to God they're living because He will see to it that they're resurrection back to life! Act 24:15

Ken4Christ:
The wages of sin is death.
You are confused because of what you are taught death is.
Death is not a cessation of existence. If it is, Jesus would have ceased to exist after death.
If it is, God will not say he is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
These men are physically death but they still live on.
This is why Jesus said Abraham saw his day and rejoiced.
There is a lot of reprogramming that has to be done with your brain and mindset. You have been brainwashed. So, you find it difficult to accept the truth when it is revealed to you.
So, when a man dies, the body is buried in the grave. But the souls of those who don't believe go to hell. The spirit of the saints go to heaven.

See complications!
The wages of sin is death but according to you it is not death because their soul or spirit lives on so between God and Satan who is the liar now?

TenQ:
Hypocrite!

Stalker!

The issue is how much you know about that title "GOD" because there are many gods even though they're all lesser than the Almighty but they are Gods. Psalms 82:1, 6
If you understand this then you won't be here arguing over this unnecessary topic.
When Jesus walked the earth he prayed, cried and begged the Almighty God (not himself) so he WAS God just as Moses WAS God {Exodus 7:1} Jesus is not the Almighty God! John 20:17

Dtruthspeaker:
We know what the Bible says and has Said, but we know that some people do not know how to read or where they read, they do not understand as shown by their ridiculous explanation of what they read. And you jw people are those people who read but are either incapable of understanding or are mad or both.

Well i've quoted what God said about the wages of sin so you can continue ranting!

tctrills:
Wrong again. Are saying that the first century Jews were commanded to love everyone but Christians were taught to love one another? If so, was Jesus talking to the Jews when he taught, "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?"

My guy, Jesus Christ instructed his followers to love all men not only their brothers. He condemned those who love their brothers only.

You're mixing it all up my guy.
@ Matthew 5 Jesus was TEACHING the crowd that came to him anticipating becoming his disciples so he's teaching them his own laws but @ Matthew 19 the Sadducee questioned him not to learn from him but to make the crowd think that Jesus is just a story teller and that everything they needed to know is already in the Mosaic laws.
So Jesus answered that Sadducee based on what the Mosaic law says but the one you're quoting right now is for those who wants to learn from Jesus whom they believe is Christ!

Dtruthspeaker:
That is not the question!

Well my own copy of the Bible say:

"For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Jesus Christ our Lord"
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord"
"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord"
"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord"
These are quotations from different versions of the Bible laying emphasis on the wages of sin whether you like it or not only the righteous will continue to live all evildoers shall be cut off from the living {Psalms 37:9-11; Proverbs 2:20-22} because they will die and never be remembered for resurrection! Psalms 9:17

According to the founder this group will be relatively small compared to all other religions so don't expect true Christians to be above 0.01% till God's Kingdom come!

Ken4Christ:
Answer my question. I quoted verses of scriptures affirming that hell fire is real but you insist it is grave.

Now, you don't know how to do the same for Lake of fire.

My Lord Jesus himself calls it Furnace of fire. Are you saying that Jesus himself lied.

If you say I am lying, then Jesus lied for using the story of the rich man and Lazarus to warn us of the danger of hell fire.

Pride is what is killing you. You don't want to admit that you are wrong. And your teaching is luring people to hell because they will not see the need to repent.

Satan is so happy with you because he has gotten a sure candidate for hell.

But you can still repent. Be a man and repent. Put away pride and repent.

Very soon, many of your members you have held captive with wrong teachings will repent and leave your organization.

Tell me Jesus lied in the passage below. Sorry, you won't see Gehenna or Sheol or Hades to replace the word furnace below;

Matthew 13:41-43
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; note

42 And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be WAILING and GNASHING of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

It is the pains that will lead to wailing and gnashing of teeth.

What other evidence do you need?

MaxInDHouse.

What is the wages of sin?

Just in one word as written in the scriptures!

Dtruthspeaker:
Do you not see you are mad? You are now interpreting when Christ had already long since finished given us the interpretatuon to His Parables, even before you were born?
I guess, mad people do not often know that they are mad!

What is the wages of sin?

Just in one word as written in the scriptures!

Omotakins:
Hmm..... You really have shown that you and your ilks are confused and really need Jesus. The fact that you interpreted Romans 6:7 the way you just did is an affirmation. Did you really read the verses preceding it? I believe you did but only interpreted it in a way to suit your warped, deceptive and confusing belief.

What is the wages of sin?

Just in one word as written in God's word!

tctrills:
There is always something to learn from all organizations so enough with the boasting. I have learnt so much from different people and organizations.
You are not making any sense here. You are saying Jesus Christ had 1 set of commandments for the public and another for the JW.
How would Jesus Christ give commandments to those who are not his followers? Does that even make sense to you?
So what reward would he give his nonfollowers for keeping his commandment?
All his commandments where to those who choose to follow him.
He did not have one set of commandments for followers and a second set for the world.
You keep making things up.

Ọmọ Jesus was a member of the first century Jewish community that's why he emphasized on the most important part of the Mosaic laws given to that nation {Matthew 22:34-40} but he later gave a new commandment to his own PERSONAL disciples who are totally a different as a group from all Jewish religious sect! John 13:34-35

So he wasn't giving the Jews who doesn't want him as their Messiah any laws he only reminded them of the laws Moses gave them but his own commandments is for only his own disciples! John 15:12-15

knowingChrist:
That's quite reasonable Sir. What we can deduce then is that material wealth will be the major reason why many shall not enter the kingdom of God.

Of course material wealth will debar many {Luke 12:15-21} but note that many are poor materially but inwardly they're lovers of money {2Timothy 3:2} their being poor doesn't guarantee their salvation rather it's where their heart is that will determine {Matthew 6:19-21} and there are many wealthy ones like Job whose heart is with God, they're ready to let go of anything as long as they're keeping their integrity to God. From God's standpoint the material possessions of such ones means nothing to them because they're ever ready to let go of it for the love of Christ! Luke 19:8-9

So while man sees what is obvious to all God searches the heart! 1Samuel 16:7

May you have PEACE!

TenQ:
Above says the person who wanted to know what my position is!
Hypocrite!

Can you quote where i asked for the gibberish you're carrying in your head?
Ọmọ i said tell others what you know about the topic of discussion and quit stalking me i'm not on the same page with you!

According to the scriptures the Christ will speak in parables and there's nothing he will teach without the use of parables {Matthew 13:34} so Jesus' words regarding judgment is not to be taken literally because God never said evildoers will exceed death nothing survive man after death {Genesis 2:17} it's Satan who lied that sinners will not (really) die! Genesis 3:4

So this is the interpretation of what Jesus said:

Matthew 13:41-42
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE; there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Death is the wages of Adamic sin so children of Adam who are virtuous will be remembered for their faith in God {Job 14:13-15} but as for unrepentant and deliberate evildoers they will be left forever in the graves {Psalms 9:17} this is what Jesus meant by Gehenna (lake of fire) since fire symbolises complete destruction but as for repentant sinners they are sleeping in their graves or hell!

Ken4Christ:
Over the years, Jehovah Witness has taught that hell is grave and that there is no place that burns with literal fire. So, they try hard to put grave in place of hell. They also say hell fire is Gehenna in Isreal.

But they do not have another word to replace furnace of fire Jesus mentioned below;

Matthew 13:41-42
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE; there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Why would people continue to be a part of an organization that tells open lies?

Why are they insisting on their lies when there are clear evidences against them?

I marvel at the wickedness of Jehovah Witnesses organization.

They are anti Christ. Please come out from among them so that you will not be consumed by God's anger.

They are opposing the teachings of our Lord Jesus.

MaxInDHouse, Kobojunkie come and defend your lies.

I will keep exposing you till you hide your faces in shame.

And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart. Jeremiah 7:31

The wages of sin is death {Romans 6:23 compare to Genesis 2:17} God's word says at death man has been discharged from all his sins because he has fully paid for it at death! Romans 6:7

So anything you find contrary to this means symbolic terms because God cannot lie! Titus 1:2

And mind you Kobojunkie is not one of Jehovah's Witnesses

tctrills:
Oga the commandment was not to have neighborly love for others but to love them just the Same way you love yourself. Do you have neighborly love for yourself?

Ọmọ i've told you this thing before that there's a lot to learn from us but then you keep running and throwing tantrums, perhaps you want more of the injections of truth so i'll give you more than you ask for!

It's the same Jesus who told the general public in the first Jewish community that the greatest of all commandments is love God and the second is love your neighbour as yourself {Matthew 22:37-40} you will notice that it was a Sadducee that asked him the question that prompted that response {Matthew 22:34-36} but when Jesus wants to give JWs the new law he said:

"I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves" John 13:34-35

This case totally differs from that of the general public because this kind of love is for IDENTIFICATION of the true disciples of Christ as it permeates among them. No wonder Paul the Apostle emphasized on this kind of love when he said:

"So, then, as long as we have the opportunity, let us work what is good toward all, but especially toward those related to us in the faith" Galatians 6:10

So the difference is CLEAR!

tctrills:
There is nothing like the general love. The only kind of love the Lord requires of you is to love everyone the same way you love yourself.
For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

You missed it big time!
The illustration of the good Samaritan shows that he's a NEIGHBOUR to the victimized Jew but according to Jesus JWs should have a different kind of love for our fellow JWs, we must love fellow JWs the same way Jesus loves us! John 13:34-35

So the GENERAL kind of love is that called NEIGHBOURLY but that which Jesus commanded JWs is BROTHERLY!

Now learn the difference:

The neighbourly love say love as myself {Mark 12:31} which means since i do deprive myself of certain things i can do the same for my neighbour.
But the brotherly love say love as Christ love in this case i must be prepared to lay down my life for my brother in faith just as Christ Jesus did! John 15:12-13

So there is a CLEAR difference between the two!

tctrills:
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

The Jews only greet their fellow Jews since they don't have anything to do with pagans but as Christians we are commanded to preach so we must greet everyone because we don't know those who may like to accept Christ through our message or attitude. But anyone who has tasted the faith and turned his/her back we mustn't even say a greeting to them {Romans 16:17; 2John 10-11} they have declared that they're not of our sort! 1John 2:19

TenQ:
What you've just done is a manifestation of chronic hypocrisy.
Unfortunately, you CHOSE NOT to even read what "I've been taught" as you claim.
You are a big HYPOCRITE sir!

I don't have any business with you so speak to your kind!

TenQ:
Repent in humility and find the truth.

I have already repented from arguing aimlessly with your type so stick to what you think you know.

TenQ:
Simple questions again;
1. About the 144,000 persons: are they literal people or figurative?
2. About the 144,000 persons: is the figure (144,000) literal or figurative?

So far you believe in your response it should be enough for you there's no need asking for what my own teachers taught me!

What he's trying to do is read his erroneous meaning into the scriptures then condemn God's word!

cornelboy:
Lol. He hasn't stated his points gangan.

Isaiah 48:17

We do well to imitate Jehovah regarding the things he chooses to forget. For example, Jehovah has a perfect memory, but if we are repentant, he chooses to forgive and forget the mistakes we make. (Ps. 25:7; 130:3, 4) And he wants us to do the same for others when they are sorry for mistakes they make that hurt us. (Matt. 6:14; Luke 17:3, 4) We can show appreciation for the marvelous gift of our brain by using it to honor the One who gave it to us. Some choose to use their brain for selfish purposes​—to set their own standards of right and wrong. But because Jehovah created us, it is only reasonable to expect that his standards are better than any standards we could set for ourselves. (Rom. 12:1, 2) When we live by his standards, our life is peaceful. (Isa. 48:18) And we gain a clear purpose for living​—to bring honor to our Creator and Father and make him proud of us.​—Prov. 27:11.

My piece of advice: find the true Christians and study the scriptures with them to know all that Jesus commanded us! Matthew 28:20

cornelboy:
I gave you a like.

He got a Google definition and concluded he has gotten the meaning of the title GOD instead of studying the Bible to know what God said about Himself!

tctrills:
If you claim to love me when we both believe the same stuff and agree to the same doctrines but the moment I stop agreeing with you, the love ceases, it was all fake love. You never did love me.

What business do i have with you if we share nothing in common? Matthew 24:15
Is it not what we share that made us brothers? Matthew 12:46-50
So if i don't know you and you don't know me what exactly could have given birth to such kind of love? John 15:12-14

Ọmọ the only kind of love that i can have for anyone who is not my brother in faith is the GENERAL love for strangers! Matthew 18:15-17

TenQ:
That's why only the spiritually blind would not see because your comment came just AFTER I put my position down AND copied you.
But I'm not surprised that as a spiritually blind person, seeing, you see not even with your two eyes.

OK your position is in that comment shey?
Then you shouldn't have copied me because i'm not interested in what you typed i don't read your comments, i know it's gibberish.
So keep it for people like you!

knowingChrist:
It wasn't just about being materially poor, the man wasn't ready to change. Jesus had reach disciples so it wasn't about being wealthy, this particular man didn't want to change.

They became poor materially when they began following Jesus as they left all their businesses behind {Matthew 19:27} that's what the man noticed before he declined the offer to be one of them.

He only wants blessings from Jesus he's not ready to humble himself and join Jesus' group of materially poor followers!

tctrills:
Great you have no issue with the father because he never stopped loving his son. Same with the shepherd who went after his lost sheep. Just because someone leave our church, we do not stop treating the person with love and respect.

Luke 9:62