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GodIsDead:
Your JW is a toxic cult. You just love making yourself look terrible, don't you

Now you're scaring me with this frustration in your response!

Let me remind you how you and i started this ongoing discussion:
You asked if Jesus is the Devil.
I asked you if you're trying to teach or asking.
Then you changed the topic and asked me to read.
I told you i don't need it.
Then you said the thread is not for me.
I told you everyone is free to hold any opinion.
Then you said i am not free.
I asked you to prove it because i know there's no absolute freedom in sanity.
Then you began telling me what you believe.
So i asked what is the essence (benefits) of the info?

Do you now resort to anger and frustration?

I believe you should be wiser than this because from the look of things you want others to learn from you but when you're not able to drive home your point for your audience to see why they need to apply what you're teaching then how do you think intelligent observers won't question your sanity?

GodIsDead:
I'm glad you're finding it funny because I find it funny as well
Your imaginary god is the tyrant and you're the damned slave
Sure, keep telling yourself that. Anything that makes you not to lose sleep in the night

The highlighted is what you believe but can you expatiate further so that i can perceive the reality of this?

oteneaaron:
Lol.
Real intellectual indeed.
You call yourself an intellectual, yet you are stuck in a religion that has got you worshiping 8 men in New York - men who are just like you.
You call yourself an intellectual, yet you cannot do yourself a simple favor by doing the actual research to understand the true history of the religion you profess.
Your brand of intellect has another name, it is called COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.

Just humble yourself and learn!
You and i only have just less than a hundred years to live on this planet so it's the value we had to life that really matters not some worthless arguments you packed in your brains!
So if what you have in your skull isn't benefiting anyone please what is the essence of such information?

GodIsDead:
Why does there have to be costs or benefits? For all I care, you can explicity decide to believe in Superman, but no matter how badly you wanted to, you wouldn't actually believe in him because you know he isn't real. The same goes for deities. You want to believe and claim to believe, but I don't think that you actually do. This is why you religious keep asking atheists dumb questions like this. You REALLY need your supposed beliefs to be reinforced and validated because you're desperately trying to convince yourself.

Do you know that the world doesn't need some things yet we are killing one another for such worthless things simply because we have placed on it artificial value?
Well you can convince yourself that you have something others lack but without evidence an intelligent observer will question your sanity!

GodIsDead:
This response sounds like a last ditch effort; like you're looking for at least one good reason, to continue to try to pretend to believe. If he or she could convince just one person, it would make it a little easier to keep on pretending themselves

My friend, that's the TRUTH!
Madmen and madwomen in our streets strongly believe they're the most intelligent beings on this planet. If you ever listen to any educated insane you will be amazed at the level of their education, sound English and the things they learnt while their brains was functioning. But why do we ignore them? Well it's because there is nothing of real value to what they're saying as they are not benefiting themselves in any way!

GodIsDead:
How about the fact that you believe six billion people are all crazy, and only the people who follow your specific brand of dogmatism have the secret key to unlocking the universe? I'm constantly amazed at the arrogance and lack of intelligence of the "True Believers" out there. You should try traveling a bit, see different cultures. Realize you've been raised by fools in a bubble and become a fool just like those who raised you.
Your question has been asked and answered numerous times. You're a slave to Yahweh

You missed the import of that post my friend, so you should have asked me the same question i'm asking you: "why do you (MaxInDHouse) say there are less than 9,000,000 true Christians globally?"
I would have given you a LOGICAL explanation behind what i said!
For your information, the 8.7 millions came out of all the nations throughout the earth so each of them can tell you the reason why he/she left the cultures, traditions and religions that failed to erase politics and racism from the hearts of their own people leading mankind into killing one another! Isaiah 2:2-4
No intellectual will doubt the IQ of such a group that has gone round the globe to turn people into peacelovers making them vow never to raise weapons against their fellowman!

GodIsDead:
Freedom from voluntary self-enslavement to an imaginary tyrant

This is really funny!
Where is the tyrant and who are the slaves?
Obviously your so called freedom is only a feeling and not something that's real!

Dtruthspeaker:
I'm out!

I never quoted you in the first place so next time know the type of people you should quote when discussing Biblical matters.
Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and he has cleared any doubt we can have regarding greatness in men by saying John the baptist is greater than all those that lived before him! Matthew 11:11
Noah was a drunkard {Genesis 9:21} so he is NOT perfect.
Job wrongly accused God because he doesn't know that there are rebels among the angels that could cause what happened to him. So he is not perfect.
Daniel also couldn't bear all the sacred secrets because he is imperfect.
Only Jesus is perfect that's why God made him the only exemplar all mankind should look up to! Matthew 17:5
God even goes as far as asking:

For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”? And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”? Hebrews 1:5

Angels are holy (Perfect) but God never asked us to see any of them as exemplar apart from Jesus. So please don't quote me next time if you're not ready to learn!

GodIsDead:
You don't have freedom of thought

Real intellectuals makes the best use of their brains for BENEFITS, though everyone believes they're sound in mind but only the wise knows what it means to be a blessing among other humans.
Of course to an INSANE everyone else is a fool because they do things in common unlike him who thinks and does things differently, but the problem he has is that there is no benefit in what the insane is doing, yet he strongly hold onto the opinion that all others are INSANES!

Blue86:
People forget the point this man of God is driving at.

You don't womanize the man of the house.

If he decides to wash the dishes, it is okay.

But to mandate that he is to wash the dishes.
That's wrong.

You don't womanize a man.

Let the man be the man.
And let the woman be the woman.

Let us follow God's template for marriage.

Can you please quote where we can find this TEMPLATE in the scriptures?
Thank you in advance!

LOVE has nothing to do duties.
The man and his wife have become ONE so anybody can take up any of the house chores.
In fact both of them should be like love birds throughout their life, nothing concerns anyone on how they choose to play their love life!

GodIsDead:
I already told you twice, or do you want me to use crayons this time?

Let's talk about ASSERTIONS!

Some people may assert that others are fools just because they hold unto some forms of ideology but what evidence do they have?

That's why we need to ask of the benefits they're getting from what they think they have that others don't!

GodIsDead:
You and I must have different definitions for reality
Practical benefits as in....?

The highlighted should come to mind when we want to discuss.
You and i are intelligent beings but our line of thought may differ, you may choose doing something even when you're not GAINING anything from it but i only do things that will bring me GAIN.
So what have you been GAINING from your line of thought?

GodIsDead:
I'm also free from the faux superiority complex, pseudo-intelligence and mandatory douchebaggery and condescension frequently exhibited by a majority of religious adherents

Just what you're benefitting that i don't have.

Mind you an INSANE also see all others as insanes so it's due to no benefits that we can say the insane doesn't know what he's saying.

So please tell me what you have and it's benefits that i don't have!

GodIsDead:
Rational thought =/= Mindless thought

Easy. Unlike you, I can think for myself. Unlike you, I'm not shackled by fictional, absurd nonsense. I'm not shackled by mythological storybooks. I think purely from my humanity without restriction, interference, dilution, contamination, influence, objectively and most of all without the voice of a false God

All these are assumptions not a reality!

For instance can you tell me the benefit of what you're trying to say?
As in the practical benefits apart from what you think!

cornelboy:
I don't need to respond to any of your comments. It would only make emusan's prediction more inaccurate.
This is my thread, i ain't japaing from anybody

Now you understand why most JWs on this forum keep ignoring him. He will never make any meaningful comment, all he does is trolling here and there with nothing tangible yet he is the one shouting
LEARN! LEARN!!
I wonder what his friends have managed to gather from his comments apart from trolling!

Dtruthspeaker:
"He is a perfect man". And we already have 3 people whom God, Himself called "Perfect" to wit Noah, Job and Daniel.

And their reports clearly show that they indeed bridled their body.

Any man can be like them, if they truly want to.

My friend, you need a Bible study with JWs and the version you should use is the New World Translation of the Watchtower otherwise you will continue to get so many things wrong!

God declared those people holy due to their readiness to make amendments not because they're perfect otherwise we wouldn't have the need for Jesus as our exemplar!

Noah was a drunkard! Genesis 9:21

Job accused God wrongly {Job 2:10} so God corrected him that before He (God) created the earth He first created spirit creatures in heaven {Job 38:7} so if anyone should think of someone tempting others with evil Job shouldn't have thought of the One who is Holy! James 1:13

Daniel also has his own flaws that's why God told him that he can't have the understanding of the Sacred Secrets but when the time comes He (God) will dispense His Holy Spirit on imperfect humans and they will be able understand. Daniel 12:8-10
As for Daniel it's only after resurrection that he can understand all the things God revealed to him in symbolic terms! Daniel 12:13

For your information Jesus Christ God's only begotten Son said that the greatest of all humans who ever lived before his time was John the baptist {Matthew 11:11} yet John himself who baptized Jesus, saw God's Holy Spirit with his naked eyes and heard God's voice saying "this is my Son" later began doubting if Jesus is the Christ! Matthew 11:3

So nobody is perfect except the only begotten Son of God sent to be our role model, his name is Jesus Christ of Nazareth! John 3:16

achorladey:
He now loves receiving honorary titles from APOSTATES AND ATHEISTS
Be my guest. Later he will come back and quote Psalms 1:1-3 for us as usual
This particular MaxInDHouse receives honorary titles from those he call WICKED, APOSTATES and ATHEISTS
According to him(MaxInDHouse) he sins like other Christian denominations and influenced by Satan the one sinning from the beginning
His(MaxInDHouse) post for over +/- three years here tell you the whole story

You said about Max:

achorladey:
person that will stop himself and others from commenting

I thought only moderators on Nairaland have that power but since you believe my comment has the power to do the same without being one of the moderators on this forum it's a welcome development Sir.

Ìgbà wo la máa ṣe ìwuye?

achorladey:
The same person that will stop himself and others from commenting on a particular thread[b]only to come back while others are far far gone[/b].

We sabi your mode of operation

The underlined!
Cornelboy, can you now see how Maximus is given a honorary doctorate in moderation on Nairaland?
Oyè á mọ́rí o, Maximus the newly appointed Moderator on Nairaland!

Dtruthspeaker:
Wrong!

You have only described the beginning of every man who still retains the discretion of either Following Christ or going by the other available ways including making his own way for himself.

A man who chooses the Christ Way is "A Would-Be-Christian".

Therefore, "Would-be-Christians and and would be Christ-likes, must do no wrong thing and only good things, exactly as Christ, Whom they claim they Follow.

Thus, it is only when judges adjudge them Christ-Like that they might be called Christians.

It was other people (judges) who called the first group of Christ Likes, Christians.

"For we all stumble many times. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able to bridle also his whole body" James 3:2

Only Jesus Christ can't fall because he's perfect but no matter how anointed an imperfect man is he is still prone to error/sin.
But we have an helper who will plead on our behalf! 1John 2:1

There is no one among the Apostles who never fell before and after they were baptized with the spirit because they're still in the flesh and they can't perfectly master what they were born with. We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God! Romans 3:23

cornelboy:
Do you know and understand the Bible? Or where did you get your knowledge from?

Don't waste your time with him, he doesn't believe the Bible but when he find out that you are smarter than him he will result to insult, abuses and sometimes curses then he will end up telling you that you will understand when the time comes.
One will now begin to wonder why sonmvayina refused to let that time come!

oteneaaron:
Lol
"Real Christians" who have changed their doctrines more than 100 times since they started their ministry in 1897.
How can "truth" change?
Yet he calls other Christians misinformed churchgoers.
When na the same motor carry all of una.
Very funny.

I believe the OP has a mind of his own so try following the discussion between i and him, then see how real intellectuals reason.
I promise that you will learn a lot from this if you can follow without interrupting!

GodIsDead:
If you're a God believer, chances are you don't have freedom of thought. EOD

Humans are not absolutely free when it comes to thoughts.
Though most unwise individuals often assert that it's possible for a sane human to be free absolutely in thinking but trust me my friend it's a lie!
Do you:
Cover your unclothedness in the public?
Comb or dress your hair?
Try to reason with fellow Humans?
Get married or have children?
All these are things we do not not under pressure but because we consider others around us. Surely we are not absolutely free in thought!
But to a certain degree all sane humans should be free.
So can you share with me the type of freedom you think you have that a true believer doesn't have?

GodIsDead:
By the virtue of their post content, all the Christians I've ever interacted with

That is where you need wisdom because there are just less than 9,000,000 Christians on this planet while billions of misinformed Churchgoers are claiming Christians.
So if you've not met a real Christian how can you know the type of freedom we enjoy?

sonmvayina:
It is not about belief.
It is about knowing and understanding.
And you lack both..

Don't worry, he will know and understand when the time comes!

Christians simply means an imperfect child of Adam striving to put on the personality of the perfect man Jesus, of course he will make a lot of mistakes but since he admitted he is a sinner (one prone to error/sin) he is ever willing to make amendments where necessary so as to continue his race as an imitator of Christ!

GodIsDead:
But you don't have freedom of thought

Who taught you that?

GodIsDead:
Okay, on your way then. This thread wasn't for you anyways

Thanks to God for freedom of speech, expression and worship!

GodIsDead:
I've modified the topic. Now read the entire post and have a nice day

Thanks, i don't need it!

Jesus walked this planet for just one reason: the redemption of obedient mankind sold to Adamic sin! Romans 5:12 compare to 6:23
Satan tried to delete Jesus from history {Act 4:18; 5:28} but his faithful disciples fought back and made sure that later generations can read about Jesus and the sacrifice he made in our behalf! Act 4:19-20; 5:29-32

But what exactly is the problem with this generation?

Well it's their faithlessness!
Jesus foretold a time when everything he taught his disciples will become effective in lives of some imperfect humans globally {Matthew 5:13-16} but when the fulfilment of Jesus' prophecies regarding the endtime and how his group will be restructured began many failed to take note instead they're busy arguing blindly on the letters that they can't decipher! 2Corinthians 3:6

Who can doubt the reality of Jesus' sacrificial death while seeing how imperfect humans have come together from different races throughout the earth and vowed to continue obeying everything Jesus commanded as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally? Isaiah 2:2-4

In fact it's the sacrifice Jesus offered that made it possible for millions of imperfection humans across the globe today to have the same line of thought on morals and standards! John 17:22

While others are busy killing one another because they failed to agree on morals and standards! Revelations 6:3-4

GodIsDead:
And this is of course, the complete opposite of how Christ is depicted in mainstream Christianity, and much closer to how they portray Lucifer, but they make it seem evil.

The topic of sounds like a question, so are you asking for other people's opinion on the subject or you're indirectly teaching people?
Because if you're asking then i will prove to you that the two are totally different spirit persons!

The name Max has become a household name on Nairaland Religion Section!
Nobody can stop Maximus from commenting no matter how much you complain Max will comment when necessary! Act 4:20
So if you have nothing to say in defense of your faith no one is forcing you in here!

Crossroad1:
Prove of the 2milli$ and I will give you proves

How do you think a jobless and hopeless man could raise ₦ 2,000 give away?
Come on these guys are looking for people that will connect them to demons so they can go for demonic riches!
To be candid they know the supernaturals exist, what they want is to connect them to gain material possessions through them.
I have met many of them who do say they don't believe in the supernatural but once i gave a guy the address of a spiritist i preached to he later went to the man asking for money rituals!