₦airaland Forum

tctrills:
Wait you are trying to force me to agree with you lool.
When even the verse you quoted from Peter proves you are wrong.
And you claim I argue blindly because you can't sell your falsehoods to me?
You don't even know the meaning of a busybody.
See I understand this topic makes you uncomfortable so you are free not to answer any of my questions.
But trying to use the excuse that my arguments are blind will not fly.
Just agree that you are wrong or you don't have the answers and move on

It's OK keep what you know while i keep mine!

tctrills:
Since you want me to teach you everything here are the definitions of a spy and a busybody. It's up to you to decide which is a crime.
A spy
work for a government or other organization by secretly obtaining information about enemies or competitors.
he agreed to spy for the West
observe (someone) furtively.
the couple were spied on by reporters
collect information about something to use in deciding how to act.
he would go and spy out the land
noun
a person employed by a government or other organization to secretly obtain information on an enemy or competitor.
a person who keeps watch on others secretly.

A Busybody

a person who is too interested in things that do not involve them:
busybody, do-gooder, meddler, or marplot is someone who meddles in the affairs of others.


A busybody caricatured by Isaac Taylor in the 19th century to illustrate the character sketch by Theophrastus
An early study of the type was made by the ancient Greek philosopher Theophrastus in his typology, Characters, "In the proffered services of the busybody there is much of the affectation of kind-heartedness, and little efficient aid.

No need of all these stories just go to North Korea and reveal a single thing about Jim and come back to thank me!

Aemmyjah:
Is telling lies one of your tactics?

Because he threatened them with his hellfire so they abandoned the truth for his nonsense and Ingredients!

Kingsnairaland:
I have no reason to lie I told him about the holy spirit and he said it is a force then I asked him can that force speak he said no I said if I show you were he speaks will you believe he is a person
He said he will not only believe but will stop believing in jw teachings
The I showed him various scriptures about the holy spirit and he stopped going to kingdom hall
Then jw targeted him and almost wanted to kill him if not that he was a guy that people like he would have been killed
If you like belief it or continue to wail because one person left.
There is no cult that Jesus can not set people free from.

You just assume JWs are misinformed churchgoers like you that can be tossed about with false teachings shey?

Guy continue lying to your soul!

tctrills:
Like I said before, for the sake of understanding each other, let's assume the robber was not born again now explain how this proves there are 2 Kingdoms of God.

I hate it when people argue blindly so it's either you agree that an armed robber can't be a BORN AGAIN Christian or continue displaying your ignorance!

tctrills:
I just taught the meaning of a busybody but you are still going off point. Please use your dictionary. A busybody and a spy are not the same thing. You are too intelligent for me to be teaching you these things

Busybody differs from Spy!

A spy is sent on a mission so he knows that if he's caught it's either death sentence or life imprisonment but a busybody just enjoys meddling in other people's matters in most cases they're innocent yet it's a crime against the person whose private life they're revealing.

So humble yourself and learn!

TenQ:
But Hell and Grave is literal!?
Speak to the scripture rather than fixing your doctrine on the scripture

You should have said from the beginning that you're fighting for your Hellfire doctrine nah!

Kingsnairaland:
Good now we are making progress before you used to refuse to accept Jesus
Now you see Jesus is to be accepted not organization glory to God
Now since you recognize Jesus is the one to be accepted the next step is to believe him as your lord God and savoir.

Funny clown!

Our own Jesus is our Master, Lord and King but not never our God!

Kingsnairaland:
You think it is a laughing matter
This is a spiritual matter
Many from jw have left on my account on how I explain to them Jesus is greater than organization.

You are a LIAR!

No single JW will leave the real Jesus for your FAKE nonfunctional Jesus!

TenQ:
Paul never mentioned the grave he mentioned third heaven
2Cor 12:2-4:
"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows; ) such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows; ) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

You saw the word Third Heaven
You saw the word Paradise
To you, it meant Hades, Grave and Hell.
You are a big Liar like Mohammed the antichrist!

So the word third heaven sounds literal to you shey?

Well Muhammad is not the antichrist because he never declared Christ as his Lord it's religionists claiming Christ is Lord but not ready to obey his words that are Antichrists.

According to the Bible they existed centuries before Muhammad was born:

Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared, from which fact we know that it is the last hour. 1John 2:18

So Muhammad born almost 500 years later can't be the antichrist!

GodisStriking:
Metaphorically speaking politics can be compared with religion but it's not true.

Well it is!

Politics is the endtime religion which only the true Christian group won't participate in it!

tctrills:
Definition of a Busybody
A busybody is a nosy, meddling person, who's very interested in what other people say and do. If you're a busybody, you can't help offering advice to friends, whether they want it or not. Busybodies are known for trying to help with situations in which they're not necessarily welcome or needed.
Oga it's not a crime to be a busybody anywhere in the world. Or are the JWs creating new crimes?
Again, the press interferes with people's privacy every day, and it is not a crime. You are talking to well-traveled and very well-read people here. We are not some of your semi-illiterate followers.
No country not even North Korea has criminalized being a busybody.

OK go to North Korea and reveal any secret life of Kim Jung Hu i'm sure you won't live to tell what PRIVACY means in North Korea!

GodisStriking:
The West is hypocritical and the hypocrites are worse than disbelievers. Simply because they have to put on false image like they are Christian. They can't get elected dressed as occultists so they get dressed as Christians and are seen in churches but once elected behave as occultists more than the East. Sodomy is the Devil's religion.

My guy POLITICS is a religion on its own and it has to do with the occult so anyone involved in politics is a CULTIST be it EAST, WEST, NORTH or SOUTH!

GodisStriking:
The Eastern world or third world has always been pagan and was only forced to convert. Based upon what I personally see in Africa they practice Christianity and Islam along side their traditional pagan religious traditions. Asia and India pretty much does the same. It's no hypocrisy when you're doing it out in the open and the leaders are adamant about not giving up their traditions and norms which we know are pagan in root. Hell yeah be Nigerian President Timbu got elected dressed in a occultic wear and the Indian president did the same.

So what exactly are you saying about the west that's not been heard of before?

AntiChristian:
1. So why do other animals die?
2. And how just is making one man a scape goat to bring sin to the world; I don't have to sin to be a sinner as I already inherited sin at birth. How fair is this?
3. The entire women gender was cursed to labor with much suffering after eating from the forbidden tree! How fair is that?
4. Animals too do give birth with much suffering with some even passing through much pain than us. What was their crime? Was there any forbidden tree they ate from?
5. The serpent 🐍 was cursed with crawling on it's belly and eating dust. I wonder how it was moving before and what species of serpent eats dust!
6. If All man have sinned, is Mary included? And why didn't Jesus inherit any sin from Mary?

[1] They weren't created in the image of God so their existence is not needed for long since they can't contribute to the developmental assignment God gave to humans regarding the planet: EARTH! Genesis 1:28

[2] Adam began bearing children after he sinned so he has passed sin to children born afterwards if he had had children before sinning they wouldn't have inherited sin from him.

[3] Eve began bearing children after she sinned so she passed her imperfect condition to her children afterwards otherwise the curse wouldn't have affected her daughters.

[4] They don't need anyone to help them during labour even when passing out excreta we all feel it if it's hard but do we always need help to excrete? NO!

[5] Originally serpents do have limbs it was just discovered few decades ago that through their DNA snakes supposed to have limbs but scientists can't figure out why it's not growing out.

[6] Mary is a sinner as daughter of Adam and Eve but Jesus couldn't inherit sin from her because his birth wasn't through the reproductive process:

But Mary said to the angel: “How is this to be, since I am not having sexual relations with a man?” In answer the angel said to her: “Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. And for that reason the one who is born will be called holy, God’s Son" Luke 1:34-35

Even the Quran talked about the holiness in the birth of Jesus but that's no problem because by asking this particular question you're interrogating both the Bible and the Quran so this shows your genuineness as a researcher!

TenQ:
The Spirit of Islam is disturbing you Liar!
Only the Truth sets free!

Did Paul say that the person in question heard something WHILE IN THE GRAVE?
Or he heard it as his take home to the grave?

Just delete or format Ecclesiastes 9:5-10 in your copy of the Bible and don't forget to correct Paul who said:


"All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness" 2Timothy 3:16

Please let him know that Ecclesiastes 9:5-10 wasn't inspired so we can't learn from it!

tctrills:
Let none of you suffer as a MURDERER or a THIEF or a WRONGDOER or a BUSYBODY in other people’s matters. 1Peter 4:15
Oga being a busy body is not a crime. Thats one of the sins Peter mentioned in the verse you quoted. He also talked about a wrongdoer which again is not necessary a crime. So where did you get the idea that Peter was talking about crimes and not sins?
Also, you said that only blasphemy against the Holy Spirit can jeopardize one's salvation but I gave you verses to teach you that just about any sin can jeopardize one's salvation.

Do you know the meaning of PRIVACY?

Is it a crime for someone to interfere in your private life without your consent?

My friend, it's a CRIME anywhere in the world!

AntiChristian:
Which of the questions does these answer?

All these questions and many more i have asked but no religion could answer me except Jehovah's Witnesses that's what made me one of them till today!

Kingsnairaland:
Well I still believe God can pull max out from their mist nothing is impossible for God.

You're just a clown!

Kingsnairaland:
Jesus abides forever more.

That's the real Jesus but yours will vanish like fath so it's either you accept the real Jesus or continue deceiving yourself with your FAKE Jesus!

Truly humility is what most people need to be saved! Zephaniah 2:2-3

As a Muslim it took me over 22 years before i can become one of Jehovah's Witnesses not because i don't believe in God but i was looking out for another religion that could have the truth like JWs but won't ask me to go and preach.

How can a condemned criminal who confirmed that he deserves to die be a BORN AGAIN Christian?

That is impossible because God only select people who have always lived by conscience so even though such a person was an idolater worshiping dead gods he or she did all that in ignorance.

How did we know that the thief executed alongside Jesus CAN'T be a BORN AGAIN?

Apostle Peter expressly stated that a born again Christian shouldn't be accused of some CRIMES now such crimes aren't just about religion but inhumane.

Drinking alcoholic beverages, wearing make-up or trousers for women and some forms of dressings could be termed as SIN in some religions but are these things a crime in all societies? The answer is NO.

But the things Peter mentioned that a BORN AGAIN Christian must not be accused of are all CRIME in all human societies.

So the thief executed alongside Jesus was not, can not and can never be a BORN AGAIN Christian!

TenQ:
Explain how he heard things in your so called grave
2Cor 12:4
4 and he heard things that cannot be told, which man may not utter.
If it is a place of inactivity, explain!

He heard it from Jesus BEFORE his execution that's the last word he took to the grave which no human could utter!

Aemmyjah:
I guess you have not seen JW children before

He has surely seen them while they're crying in the streets because of molestations by their older ones.

This people have seen that only Jehovah's Witnesses have what it takes to convince any sane person about God but they have trashed the concept of GOD and they're not ready to make a U-turn.

So whatever they can gather against the JWs is like good news to them even though they can't see it happening in their own neighbourhood!

TenQ:
Address the scripture below
2Cor 12:4
4 and he heard things that cannot be told, which man may not utter.
If it is a place of inactivity, explain!

Since God's inspired word has told you that the dead can't think, say or do anything then what you're quoting now means you need to understand it from another context not that a dead man was hearing something in his dead condition!

who was caught away into paradise and heard words that cannot be spoken and that are not lawful for a man to say

The thief has heard words that no human can utter which is the assurance Jesus gave him about Paradise.

cornelboy:
He was a bond again actually. He was baptized with the holy spirit while he was being nailed to the cross. He even got to paradise (situated in hell) before Jesus cause the Jesus that i know went to heaven 43 days after death.

He's a pretender just want to present his own personal opinion and doesn't want contrary opinions. I'm telling him that Peter is talking about what is CRIME whether religious or not he is quoting Bible as if it's everywhere people believe Bible!

tctrills:
Even the sin of anger is enough to send you to hell! Matthew 5:22

Now it's clear you don't understand what i've been saying since!


You're quoting a religious book (Bible) which means nothing to people in other places or religions but those things Peter mentioned are CRIME in all places religious or not.

That's what i'm saying!

GodisStriking:
I highlighted only the West as hypocrites the Western World not West Africa. Or you feeling okay? Your comprehension comes out to me as depressing.

So there's no hypocrisy in the Eastern world shey?

Continue deceiving yourself!

Kingsnairaland:
Even Muslims respect the name more than you this shows your hatred toward that precious name
Every vile words will be accounted for you will be judged by your words Jesus said it so continue to abuse the holy name.

Guy your Jesus is FAKE!

Hebrews 9:27

And just as it is reserved for men to die once for all time, but after this to receive a judgment. NWT


Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment. NIV


And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. KJV

GodisStriking:
Why call a racist? The biggest perverts in the U.S are blacks. I don't agitate for anyone only state my business for being here. And I think you need to review your vocabulary.

Guy whether WEST, NORTH, EAST or SOUTH there are hypocrites everywhere so calling a particular part of the continent hypocrites makes no sense!

tctrills:
Let me summarize the JW point of view here.
Peter knew that the born again cannot commit the stated crimes yet he took his time to warn them to prevent them from commiting sins that he knew the can never commit.
If I am a JW, me too would be ashamed of this doctrine so I perfectly understand.
Would they have committed the sins if he had not warned them?
The more I debate with JW, the more they prove my point.

Continue deceiving yourself.

Peter said a BORN AGAIN Christian can suffer in the hands of the authority but they should make sure that they are never accused of those things.

Now this is what Peter means:

Never be a friend to anyone practicing those things so you may not be mistaken as one of them:

The one walking with the wise will become wise, But the one who has dealings with the stupid will fare badly. Proverbs 13:20

Do not be misled. Bad associations spoil useful habits. 1Corinthians 15:33

That's the principle!

tctrills:
Yes sin would jeopardize anyone's anointing but the question remains, would peter warn them 8f he knew it was impossible for them to commit such sins? You seem to know the truth but you just can't take it and I understand why

You need to humble yourself if you want to learn.
SIN is about religion so what one religion take as sin may differ totally from another but when talking about those things Peter mentioned they are CRIME in all religions and societies.
So the only sin (religious blunder) that could jeopardize the salvation of anyone is speaking against what the Holy Spirit is working out through the hands of imperfect humans.