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cornelboy:
The Catholics, the other orthodox, Mormons, Pentecostals, white garment etc are all the same body of Christ according to you right?

He just enjoy exchanging words with JWs he is completely empty!

Kingsnairaland:
Lake of fire has no other interpretation it not a parable so lake of fire is lake of fire created for devil and his followers.

You're a LIAR!

The Bible (God's word) said:

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.Revelation 20:14

If you don't understand something let us teach you!

Kingsnairaland:
Jesus our only true God.

Jesus himself said the only true God differs from him:

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.John 17:3 KJV

So Jesus is not the only true God, the only true God SENT! SENT!! SENT!!! Jesus!

malvisguy212:
the offspring of vipers are reference to the Pharisees . Jerusalem play a significant role in God Devine plans. how then will you say it's a curse land ?

The only significant role Jerusalem was to play is the center for God's government (kingdom) where the Christ will rule over the earth:

In the final part of the days, The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, And it will be raised up above the hills, And to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, To the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, And we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

But Satan made the inhabitants to hate and kill God's prophets then the Christ was condemned and executed in Jerusalem!

That's why Jesus foreseeing this said so many bad things about Jerusalem and promised his corulers that he will take them to heaven no longer Jerusalem on planet earth! John 14:1-3

So stop been emotional about a city that God's only begotten Son has condemned {Matthew 23:37-38} whatever Jesus said has been granted in heaven therefore Jerusalem is CURSED!

You will see to it yourself that you had nothing to say other than emotions for that city even though you can read for yourself in God's word all the references confirming what i said so it's left to you whether to believe in the Bible or your emotions.

May you have PEACE!

And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet already were; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Revelations 20:10

And the wild beast was caught, and along with it the false prophet that PERFORMED IN FRONT OF IT THE SIGNS WITH WHICH HE MISLED THOSE WHO RECEIVED THE MARK of the wild beast and those who worship its image. While still alive, they both were hurled into the fiery lake that burns with sulfur. Revelations 19:20

So did Muhammad performed any miraculous signs at all?

FxMasterz:
Wawu!
A bigger false prophet than Mohammed is still in the picture for the times of the end.

advocatejare:
Hmmm, so you have biblical reference for that?

FxMasterz:
Remember that the Beast and the False prophet in the verses you quoted above are expected to emerge during the last 3.5yrs of the world when the Antichrist would have broken his 7yr covenant with Israel.

advocatejare:
Alright, thanks

So where is the BIBLICAL REFERENCE?
Or the explanation is sufficient as BIBLICAL REFERENCE?

Entusky:
As far as there are muslims in this world it will never end.

NO!
Politics is the root cause of terrorism not false religions. Politicians introduced false religion as another tool in politics and the king who did that is called Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, ever since then politicians began using false religions as a means to promote their political ambitions.
If you remove politics in Islam and other religions you will see clearly that no religion is interested in terrorism!

johnw47:
once again i don't know about kumuyi

Guy your stupidity is undescribable!

If you don't know about Kumuyi the one whose teachings OP subscribe to then what exactly are you calling CHRISTENDOM?

johnw47:
i'm not arguing about kumuyi's teachings

The OP is Kumuyi's boy so he's using Kumuyi's teaching as standard that's what you need to get into your empty skull!

johnw47:
as i said, i know nothing about him

Ọ̀gbẹ́ni keep quiet because the OP is banking on Kumuyi's teaching as standard!

Kingsnairaland:
Rev.20
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire
It not only devil that will be in lake of fire
It whom so ever that was not found in the book of life whom so ever that refused to believe in Jesus.

Guy what did the Bible say is the MEANING of "Lake of Fire" Revelations 20:14

Kingsnairaland:
The reason they teach you this false sweet doctrine is to make you happy and feel good and you think there is not going to be any suffering for those who reject Jesus as their lord God and savoir.

Guy use God's undiluted word not the things mistranslated to threaten people into coming to church back then.

johnw47:
i just for one don't know their teachings.

So you don't know Kumuyi's teaching yet you're here arguing.

Is Kumuyi a member of Christendom or not?

johnw47:
there are no few men who are the movers and shakers of Christendom

It's among Jehovah's Witnesses (God's people) that those men meant nothing in Christendom they are well recognized globally by all as for you you're just a nonentity nobody know you even this OP is a staunch follower of one among them called "Kumuyi" so you're now lying to your own soul!

Aemmyjah:
A peddler cannot keep his illegal products in the house and have peace
Let him keep crying like an old vulture
He's the only one peddling insanity
Even that other guy has seen we don't give him any attention. All we see is envy and hate. What covetousness cannot do does not exist 😂

He thought there is sense in what he's saying but now that we have cut him off completely let him come and drag us into chatting with him!

johnw47:
i know nothing of the teachings of those men[/b]

Definitely you don't know what CHRISTENDOM means because those men are the movers and shakers in Christendom!

Aemmyjah:
When he's peddling his insanity all over NL
😂

Abraham said:

"No more droplets of water for apostates" Luke 16:25-26

I don't know why he can't stick to his own word after all he said he can avoid me!

johnw47:
1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SyqvrYzwhM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOfDTkV6v10?si=FkNwzSV6lETusibQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RgApS18UkA?si=6ielUovM4rR1_g4u
Surely these people aren't part of your friends called Christendom because they are certainly confused!

Aemmyjah:
The best treatment for his mental ailment is silence

You're right because he will be all over you asking questions but when you ask him one he will ignore.
Cornelboy asked:
Does Christendom teach the truth?

He will never answer because there is none he can faithfully subscribe to among them all yet the one and only teaching he knew that's what he wants to demonize at least a sane person will trash something when you find a better one.

Kingsnairaland:
Rev.20 - Bible, King James Version
13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. this means the second death

Why not complete verse 14 which says:

This means the SECOND DEATH!

God's word told you the meaning but you ignored it and continue deceiving yourself with falsehood.

Kingsnairaland:
Another name for hell is Hades
In Luke 16:19-31
Hades is represented as a place of torment for the wicked after death
Tell me what revelation 20:14
Says in your Bible.

Guy Hell (English) Hades (Greek) and Sheol (Hebrew) all means the same thing: GRAVE.

So according to Revelations 20:14 Death and Hell were cast into the Lake of Fire simply means after the resurrection of the dead there will be no more oldage, death or burial grounds, Lake of Fire symbolize inexistence whatever the Bible link to Lake of Fire will never exist again and generations of people who live forever after then will continue to remember what God did to all those bad things that wasn't in God's plan that's what tormented day and night means just as you're remembering the story of Noah, Lot, Israelites in Egypt, Jericho and many others, those destroyed in these instances comes back to our memories each time the stories are told as if they're still there crying for help.

*Noah's day: people drowning
*Lot's day: people dying due to fire raining.
*Pharaoh and his army: drowned in red sea.
*Jericho: walls crashing and inhabitants killed.

How do you feel each time these stories are mentioned?
Do you see them with your minds eyes even though you never met them?
YES!
That's what their tormented forever symbolises God hates roasting living creatures in fire:

"They have built the high places of Toʹpheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that had never even come into my heart" Jeremiah 7:31

So if God said such horrible acts has never come up into His heart do you think He has now welcomed it as a good way to judge the creatures made in His image?

Ọmọ go and find out the meaning of symbolic terms used inside the Bible and stop saying what you don't understand.

cornelboy:
Lol hell will be placed into the lake of fire 😂😂 I like this interpretation

When they refused to learn from the owners of the book what else can we do than leave them in their delusion?
Just imagine:
"Hell will be placed into the lake of fire"

If you try to correct his thinking he will continue telling you the same thing!

Kingsnairaland:
If you refuse to accept Jesus into your life you will only land your self in he'll fire which will be placed in the lake of fire.

Guy we have our own Jesus in Jehovah's Witnesses organization so keep yours whose followers are NOT ORGANIZED!

Kingsnairaland:
The body of christ is a collection of children of God from various churches nations tribes and people . It is not an organization it is the body of christ and only those who believe in Jesus will have eternal life.

So in a nutshell the body of your own Christ are NOT ORGANIZED. Surely they should be able to do the will of your own god!

It's the root cause of all the problems facing mankind!

cornelboy:
😂😂

Only Jehovah's Witnesses are his problem all others are free to tell him about Jesus but JWs he wants us to agree with him that Jesus never existed yet he wants to be taken seriously!

Sand2022:
Jw witnesses have a different understanding of Acts 1:11. Let's read

Acts 1:11
11and said: “Men of Galʹi·lee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus who was taken up from you into the sky will come in the same manner as you have seen him going into the sky.”

There Publications explains the verse thus:

15 The angels said that Jesus would return, not in the same form, but “in the same manner.” In what manner did he depart? He was out of sight when the angels spoke. Only those few men, the apostles, perceived that Jesus had left the vicinity of the earth and was on his way to his Father in heaven. The manner of Christ’s return was to be similar. So it has been. Today, only those with spiritual discernment realize that Jesus is present in kingly power. (Luke 17:20) We need to discern the evidence of his presence and convey it to others so that they too may see the urgency of our times."

From the publication, the point is:

Only the JW anointed discerned that Jesus had supposedly returned in 1914. As they believe, that discernment by the anointed of JWs was how they saw Jesus returned as the angels spoke in acts 1:11.

Why did they believe so?
Because the angels made their statement after Jesus had gone off view, and that it was only the apostles who saw him leave.

However, does that view make sense? No. Let's first agree that the word manner doesn't emphasize the form with which Jesus left. That was not the point in the angels words. It is manner, but the way the JWs apply the meaning of manner is totally against the context. Let's see:

The angels says "This Jesus who was taken up from you into the sky will come in the same manner as you have seen him going into the sky.”

The phrase didn't stop at "in the same manner", but it continued "as you have seen him going into the sky". So the manner has to do with the process with which he ascended into the sky. The process/manner/method will follow a reverse order, in that he will descend to the earth. Yes, the point of tropos (Greek word for manner) is not about the form of body he will return, but the process or way with which he ascended.

However, the JWs says that the manner or process has to do with the fact that only the apostles were present and that they alone saw him. So his return will not be discerned by others except the JW anointed.

After the word manner, the angels continued "... as you have seen him going into the sky". This emphasize a reverse order in his return. None of Jehovah witnesses saw him return. So there was no reverse order in JW return of Christ as the angels say. The JW rather says that the anointed saw the sign that he is a king in heaven as world war occured in 1914. But that is just a sign of a supposed return. That is not what the angels said. The angels say we will see him, not the sign. There are two opposite words used by the angels... Going and coming. Jesus went to heaven, what remains is for him to return (coming). As he is seen going, he will also be seen coming back. That is the correct application of the word tropos (manner).

The JW interpretation replaced seeing with discerning or realization so as to shift the meaning of the angels words to something that will agree with their 1914 theology.

The fact is that the apostles did not just realize that he was going to heaven nor did they discern he was going, rather they saw him[i][/i] going. They did not discern any sign that he was going to heaven, rather they saw that he was going to heaven. In the same way, we will see him returning. That is the proper application of that word "manner".

On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23
Are you satisfied now that there's nothing you can say against God's organization?

oteneaaron:
Makes you wonder the kind of spirit behind this organization.
It must be an evil spirit of confusion.
The funny part is that instead of recognizing these red flags, the rank and file JWs would rather bury their head in the sand.
Pure Delusion.

Funny enough you don't see how hypocritical you are, shouting all over the forum that Jesus never existed yet here you are conniving with people who claims Jesus existed and you can't stand up to confront them only for you to start parting them in the back.

But an organization of people who have agreed globally on the same line of thought that you are saying they're confused.

Thanks to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

NO!
Religion has always existed with humans but it was introduced into politics by a Babylonian King called Nebuchadnezzar.
Politicians have used different tools in the past to achieve their goals for example:
*Motivational speech
*Money
*Weapons
*Spiritism
*Beauty
And so many others until Nebuchadnezzar introduced FALSE religion as another tool for political ambition.
Today there is only one religion globally that has not been used for political ambition that's why people everywhere hate those involved in this religion {Matthew 10:24-25} it's called the way to everlasting life! John 3:16

Don't be blindfolded whoever is into politics is not a follower of Jesus of Nazareth!

Birdbyrde440:
The message you speak about in the Bible were delivered by the characters in the Bible that you obviously don't believe in... or if am wrong, kindly site an example to ease my understanding on your point. For example Noah, why do you think he is a fictional character? Or the creation story, etc..

Satan has hypnotized him into sitting on the fence yet he feels he's better than others.

Satan's target is stopping mankind from doing God's will which Jesus emphasized as the only means to salvation {Matthew 7:21-23} most people have formed religious groups but Satan is using them as tools to blindfold others because all their devotion has nothing to do with God's will! 2Timothy 3:5

What is God's will?

God wants obedient mankind to fill the earth and make the best use of the planet He gave us {Genesis 1:28} that's God's will for humans.
Today Satan and his demons have created lots of devices to create enmity among humans so that we willingly build destructive weapons to kill ourselves {Revelations 6:3-4 compare to John 8:44} yet most killers think they're doing it for God the most painful part of it is how Satan recruited billions {Matthew 13:25} who are claiming they belong to the Prince of Peace (Jesus Christ) yet they're frontiers in the killing of their neighbours all in the name of Nationalism! 2Corinthians 4:4

So people like sonmvayina is dead spiritually speaking as he's of the opinion that each individual should study the Bible in isolation and come up with fine attributes without having to deliberate with other neighbours on how to live by what we got from the book. To him religion is unwarranted but how can people reason alike if they don't come together to study God's word? Hebrews 10:24-25

Is it possible for 5 scholars to study the same material and come up with something tangible without having to consult one another?

That's the extent to which Satan can blindfold people!

Books were written by people and named after Bible characters but Enoch in the Bible never wrote any book literally however since some have chosen to believe it that's their own cup of coffee let them use it to do God's will!

malvisguy212:
Jerusalem is curse ? by who? cite your reference.

That is the city where Jesus said:

"Serpents, offspring of vipers, how will you flee from the judgment of Ge·henʹna? For this reason, I am sending to you prophets and wise men and public instructors. Some of them you will kill and execute on stakes, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, so that there may come upon you all the righteous blood spilled on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zech·a·riʹah son of Bar·a·chiʹah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you. For I say to you, you will by no means see me from now until you say, ‘Blessed is the one who comes in Jehovah’s name!’” Matthew 23:33-39

On the day Jesus was executed on false charges the Roman Governor Pontius Pilate told the Jews:

“I am innocent of the blood of this man. You yourselves must see to it.” Matthew 27:24

This was their response:

“Let his blood come upon us and upon our children." Matthew 27:25

All these are the reasons why Jesus said their city and temple will become useless when the enemies coming to destroy them arrives:

“However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains, let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her, because these are days for meting out justice in order that all the things written may be fulfilled. Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days! For there will be great distress on the land and wrath against this people. And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled." Luke 21:20-24

So after the CHRISTIANS left that city in 66 C.E. Jews were SCATTERED throughout the earth never to return to their homes again {Luke 11:23} the one and only way for them to regain that place has been destroyed Jesus said until they welcome those speaking about him hospitably {Matthew 23:39} but from that time till today this people keep fighting against the mention of Jesus' name {Act 4:18; 5:28} just recently their parliament passed a bill that anyone mentioning Jesus' name should be prosecuted:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyBY6AybJ4M?si=0RQljEUMlANIBC4r

And immediately God gave them a sign. Black crows attacked their national flag showing that God is angry with such a move:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiIIK7TyQl0?si=SM436qNGieKmwB8I


But did they repent?

NO!

That's why that city can never know PEACE!

oteneaaron:
Their biggest enemies are their own publications. Every single thing they have accused other religious groups of doing, they have done way worse. Such disgusting hypocrites.

Convince your friends that Jesus never existed then i will take you seriously!