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Sand2022:
Being theologically right or wrong is different from who will be saved. Many if their theology is wrong. But who will be saved has been left in the hand of Jesus. Salvation is a broad subject. There are many scriptures to review on that, but even after that, I lawyer can quote this or that section of the constitution, but the judge has the final say. Are there scriptures that can be used to prove that Jehovah's witnesses won't be saved? Yes. But can the great judge disagree? Yes. How is that possible? God is love. He is also merciful, he is slow to anger, he wants all to be saved etc. These factor may affect the way he will judge anyone. No one should be dogmatic on that subject. That's the point.

Guy we're both saying the same thing now so from your own point of view JW's teachings doesn't stop sincere ones among them from having salvation but from the fact i have you (not those who never met JWs before) can't see God's kingdom if you fail to become one of JWs now!

I know you won't like this but that's the bitter truth.


Jesus explained that those who reject the message of his disciples are doomed {Matthew 10:14-15} and today over 41,000 different religions are claiming Christians with contracting teachings and conflicting doctrines so one may conclude that due to all these confusion God may not judge based on the things we read in the scriptures but then Jesus commanded his own disciples to have LOVE among themselves just as he had for them {John 15:12} he also commanded them to LOVE their neighbours as themselves {Mark 12:31} and to LOVE and pray for those who are looking for ways to hurt them! Luke 6:27-28
He taught them that if what they're practicing is according to his teachings all of them will treat one another like one family {Mark 10:29-30} which is in harmony with what God's servants prophesied before Jesus {Isaiah 2:2-4 & Micah 4:1-3} the one and only person whose wise counsel will make this possible in midst of imperfect humans of different races is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} that's why Jesus could confidently proclaim any group of people or organization that fulfilled this task as living WITNESSES of his earthly mission! Act 1:8

So whoever has SEEN any group of people SUCCESSFULLY doing this thing but chose to always speak against them is no longer speaking against those imperfect humans but against the SPIRIT mobilizing them to do the will of God. Matthew 12:31-32

The only thing that could save you now is if you can present a better performing group with regards to the doing of God's will failure to do so means you're an enemy of the Prince whose subjects are working out peace globally among men of goodwill so extermination is waiting for you! Luke 19:27

Dada4me:
My fasting is to God, the father of the Lord Jesus Christ.

If truly you want to FAST in an approved manner before God it has nothing to do with your skipping meals or hunger strike.

This is what the true God accept as FASTING:

*Share what you have with your neighbours who is in need of it.
*Forgive and forget the wrong your neighbour did to hurt you.
*Use your time, energy and resources to help those close to you even though there's nothing to receive as compensation.
This is the type of FASTING God requires from His worshipers who are doing so in spirit and truth! Isaiah 58:3-8

Not when you keep all these away them start starving yourself hypocritically claiming it's for God!

AyobamiIsaac12:
Ignore that lady called Kobo. His next quote will be to ask you where Jesus Christ told us to fast in the Bible. He is well known on this forum for misinterpreting scriptures.

Exactly what i wanted to ask:

Is there anywhere in the Bible that Jesus said fasting (abstinence from food or skipping meals) is compulsory for believers?

judedwriter:
Jesus commanded:
"Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature."
However, an evangelist must respect the laws of the land where preaching is prohibited.

Among all those that have walked on this planet as humans Jesus of Nazareth is the wisest. There is no human society where preaching could be banned justifiably but when someone is outrightly disturbing the peace in the community such a person is no longer welcome.
There is no society where neighbours are asked not to visit one another for peace talks and progress in the society so Jesus introduced his own system of preaching in a way that will be appealing to all sane society that's why only the Jews in the first century felt offended by the way Jesus' disciples were going about their ministry as all sane societies will surely welcome them.

Let's go SCRIPTURAL on the matter!

Before Jesus of Nazareth God sent so many prophets to his people and all these prophets always preach like town criers because God is like their King so He has the right to disturb them with noise if they fail to comply with His orders.
But when Jesus started his own ministry he did not follow that pattern (Matthew 12:19} now we may ask WHY?

Because Jesus' teachings must be taken to all the nations of the world {Matthew 28:19-20 compare to Act 1:8} and most of those countries don't have anything to do with the God of Israel so instead of disturbing the peace in their neighbourhood with noise Jesus commanded his own disciples to visit people in their homes PRIVATELY {Matthew 10:11-13} this will enable the householder to ask questions because the one preaching to him or her lives in the same neighbourhood but when you start shouting at passersby telling them they will be tormented in fire for not being members of your religion then you're surely kicking against all reasonableness which is totally unscriptural!

cornelboy:
You tongue sounds like this;
"Leprosindolabashibayabada eprokisodorabashida elikosodoyadabada samboribolikodamusa"

They just do anything for their Jesus as long as they feel it's OK then console themselves that a spirit is leading them but the truth is they're lying to their own souls because they keep on contradicting themselves yet claiming it's the same spirit!

advanceDNA:
Mathew 7:16 is the scripture u claimed as reference to back ur sexual version of the Eden account ... What is the meaning of this scripture " by their fruit u shall know them" in the context where it was used by jesus?? Btw..u called me far from normal and u said it's not an insult...are u lying or u are just forming too big to acknowledge ??

Since there are over 41,000 different sect that's claiming Christians and only a few care to know the group that's teaching the truth any teaching will fly so you can't condemn this one after all he has given you people the reference from one ÒYÌNBÓ preacher who said it!

Dtruthspeaker:
For Christians, you can get the book Serpent's Seed by Rev. William Marion Branham.

What have you people got to say about the so called Rev William Marion Branham?

Kingsnairaland:
And they lie to you that organization is greater than Jesus and that organization can save you lol
The things of God is spiritual it not physical.

The only EVIDENCE Jesus gave his disciples is ORGANIZATION!

So if worshipers are not ORGANIZED there is no evidence of Jesus in their midst.

You're deceiving yourself with false reasoning because there are over 41,000 different sects all claiming followers of one man (Jesus) and this people are DISORGANIZED that's why you can't present any of them as WITNESSES of the man who said:

"This is my commandment, that you love one another just as I have loved you" John 15:12

People claiming followers of Christ are fighting and killing one another throughout the world yet you want to claim they belong to the same King who commanded them to have love among themselves! John 13:34-35

Your failure to present such an ORGANIZED PEOPLE is evidence of delusion!

elated177:
Did maxindhouse try to justify paternity fraud here? Maxindhouse, no reason is enough for a married woman to go outside, commit adultery, get pregnant and present the child to her husband as his own. It is sheer wickedness.

Was Jesus trying to justify adultery when he told those who wanted to stone an adulterous woman:
"let the one who is without sin cast the first stone"
Guy people do a lot of dirty things just to get away from their past blunders so the one and only way to help them is by forgiving them and showing them love. How do you think one can apply Jesus' orders when he said:

"You heard that it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ However, I say to you: Do not resist the one who is wicked, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him. And if a person wants to take you to court and get possession of your inner garment, let him also have your outer garment; and if someone in authority compels you into service for a mile, go with him two miles." Matthew 5:38-41

Do you truly believe (trust) in Jesus' sense of reasoning or you're just obsessed with his name? Matthew 7:21-23
If Jesus said we must forgive and let go but the world is crying for revenge on whose side are you?
On their side or Jesus' side? Matthew 15:8-9

Kingsnairaland:
That is not in any place in the bible.

Jesus said it but you're not aware!

This is what he told Peter:

“Truly I say to you, no one has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for my sake and for the sake of the good news who will not get 100 times more now in this period of time—houses, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and fields, with persecutions—and in the coming system of things, everlasting life." Mark 10:29-30

Brothers, Sisters, Mothers and Children are all members of the ORGANIZED PEOPLE following Christ that's why they're to have LOVE among themselves so that faithless people can see the love permeating in the midst of Jesus' disciples! John 13:34-35

So in the absence of such an ORGANIZATION there is no evidence of Jesus who said:

"you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:8

If you can't present an ORGANIZED PEOPLE who have LOVE among themselves just as Jesus COMMANDED {John 15:12} then you have nothing to prove that Jesus once lived on this planet the ORGANIZATION of people who have that LOVE among themselves are the LIVING WITNESSES that Jesus is real!

Kingsnairaland:
Adam died the same way all men die.
So where did I say Adam did not die.

Life is existence to be evident through activities so the only proof of a living thing is the activities involved.
Death simply means non-existence direct opposite of life.
So i ask you again: did Adam died after eating the forbidden fruit or he still exist somewhere else?
Are you sure that the same applies to all those who have died?

sonmvayina:
I am not arguing...
A lot of people do...
You want all of us to be part of a cult group..
Nobody asked that of us....

Guy you be SECRET CULT!
Nobody does things in SECRET and expects all other people to live by laws they are not taught only cultists do that.
If laws are to be effective it must be taught by a GROUP PRACTICING it in the neighbourhood!

cornelboy:
Adam didn't die o 😂😂😂

Ọmọ nah wah for this guy o i wonder which side he is whether:

“From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.” Genesis 2:17

Or

“You certainly will not die" Genesis 3:4

Thank God i know the difference between the two speakers!

oteneaaron:
Hahahahahaha
This shame of your Child Sexual Abuse cases must be strong. 😅😅
No wonder you have been beating around the bush and running away from your new child sexual abuse case in Japan.
In Australia alone, they are recorded cases of 1,800 children who were sexually abused by over 1,000 Jehovahs Witnesses. Why is your religion filled with Pedophiles?

Your friends are here now so tell them Jesus never existed and convince them then i will take you seriously!

sonmvayina:
They are filling it..
You are just too blind to see it...

If half a billion is fulfilling your Torah there's no need coming here to argue!

oteneaaron:
Hahahahahahahahaha
If any of my friends are ready to have the debate about the historicity of Jesus, I will gladly oblige. Stop beating about the bush Max. Why is your religion so entrenched in Child Sexual Abuse? Your religion is having Child Sexual Abuse cases in the USA, Australia, UK and now in Japan! Why will the only true religion be so filled with thousands of Child Sexual Abuse cases?

Why can't you convince your friends not to talk of a myth as if it's real?

oteneaaron:
We had a debate and you couldn't prove to me that Jesus existed in history and that his story is not just a myth.

The debate is dead on arrival because you have friends who are still of the opinion that Jesus is not a myth so you're not expecting me to be your evidence to convince them are you?

So prove to me that you're serious by helping your friends first at least charity they say begins at home!

MightySparrow:
What is the meaning of this?

Buhari4dullard:
There is no communication between Light and darkness.
If they are OCCULT members like Adeboye, OYEDEPO,Ibeyomie etc then no way they can hear from Elohim.

Guy you get eyes nah!

AshBurned:
I wanted to know the difference between both of them. I do not disapprove with any of them but I want to know the difference. Do they both use the same materials for sacrifices.

All the religions on this planet are from the same place: Spirit realms.

So if you're interested in finding out which one belongs to the true God let's use the Bible and our God's given brain but if all you want is the challenge between one spiritual power and another then i'm out!

Buhari4dullard:
There is no communication between Light and darkness.
2 Corinthians 6:14b
and what communion hath light with darkness?
Elohim will never communicate with Alfas, babalawosss, pastors,, mamalawos, priestesses, ifa priests, magicians, mystics, seers, prophets.
As for pastors, seers & prophets only those who call on the name Jesus alone will Elohim communicate with.
If they are occult members like Adeboye, Oyedepo,Ibeyomie etc then no way they can hear from Elohim.

MightySparrow:
Ifa has its roots from Islam and vice versa.
After your research, search for Jesus the end of search and research.

oteneaaron:
You can try beating around the bush all you want. My only focus is exposing the disgusting rot that exists in your religion. Why is that your religion is always associated with Child Sexual Abuse? Only your religion is facing Child Sexual Abuse cases in the USA, Australia, UK and now in Japan!

So you've now agreed that Jesus is a historical figure shey?

You should know me better than all these your games it doesn't work with me, if you want to chat with me we must end one topic before shifting to another.
So convince your friends that Jesus never existed or confess now that you've accepted Jesus as a real historical figure then you and i can change the topic of our discussion, without that ọmọ i will continue to rub it in your face until it's resolved!

Kingsnairaland:
That why you don't understand Bible because you think it is a physical organization an organization that don't know Bible that don't know Jesus that refuse to accept Jesus. It a long thing one day you will wish you had accepted Jesus rather than organization.

Jesus himself said there's no Jesus without an organization!

Kingsnairaland:
We are like God our spirit is like his so stop your dream from thinking you can cease to exist lol.. Bible said just like Adam brought death Jesus will bring life to all... Everyone will be made alive again by Jesus and given a new body that can live both on earth and in heaven this new body is called spiritual body
But some new body will have eternal life while some Wil have eternal death in lake of fire.
1 Corinthians 15:21-22
King James Version (KJV)
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

So Adam didn't die for real shey?

Kingsnairaland:
On this subject you will continue to twist it till you become condemned and I don't want you to be condemned because Jesus and the father said they won't forgive any one who speaks bad of the holy spirit
So I will not explain to you further on the holy spirit because I want you to be saved we can talk about other subjects so that you will not be destroyed Now back to eternity and after life topics you need to humble yourself and I will show you things that you actually don't know.

Where did God and Jesus told you that someone is speaking bad of what he or she can't see?

Guy if you're referring to what Jesus said at Matthew 12:31-32 you're the one who needs to wake up because the one and only evidence of God's Holy Spirit is found in the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses!

Kingsnairaland:
What count is stop thinking that that the second one can not happen

It can never ever be because the purpose for which God created humans will be nullified.

He created humans in His image and want us to live forever not suffer forever, the path Adam took will eventually lead to untold suffering that's why God said Adam will cease to exist after all the pains he will go through!

oteneaaron:
Lol.
Na me suppose ask you.
Japan has carried your child sexual abuse matter on their head - and your organization will pay dearly for it.
I hope you will not start shouting that they are persecuting you?

Nah wah for this your market o!

Upon all these troubles you're going through you've not convinced one single convert to stop believing in Jesus.

Well don't give up your miracle is on the way!

oteneaaron:
This thread is an overflow from a earlier thread - -
https://www.nairaland.com/7006256/jesus-real-myth-challenge-maxindhouse
I have challenged all Christians to give me undeniable proof that Jesus is a real figure from history and not a mythical figure.
This is the actual challenge:
Ọya Christians the ball is in your court.
Shall we begin?

Sand2022:
With regards to who will be saved, no one can say that for sure.

So you're not even sure if JWs are right or wrong?

Ọmọ why all these wahala if you can't say for sure?

[quote author=OLAADEGBU post=127245101][/quote]Your friend said Kumuyi is not a Christian (Christendom) shame on you and your pastor!

jaephoenix:
I did. Scientists did. Etc
Can you?

Ọmọ where is your evidence that they never exist?

sonmvayina:
There are billions of people puting the Torah into practice...
They don't need to be members of a cult..
Ode

If just half a billion are putting it to practice as you said the whole planet will feel it so stop lying Sir!

oteneaaron:
I knew you couldn't resist the temptation.
Una child sexual abuse career don reach Japan. When the government of Japan decides to stop giving you grants or decides to ban your organization, you will start screaming persecution.

How market?

People everywhere are doing this today but it's a pity that they don't know!

Do you recite the national anthem?

If you do whose image was lifted up before you start reciting or making pledges?