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FRANCISTOWN:
The same Paul said this:

Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

I guess these verses up here disappeared from your own bible as well or is a spirit supposed to have a flesh and eat?

The fact is that Jesus lived as a human (flesh) so all the qualities he has could be imitated by humans if we are willing to but after his death he became a SPIRIT at his resurrection! 1Corinthians 15:45

sonmvayina:
Now I am 100% sure you are dumb...

This is what an insane often say everyone is dumb except him but then tell him to put what he's saying to practice he will start telling you that you should first join him in his madness!

FRANCISTOWN:
I don't know why you found it difficult to understand me.
I'm my initial post that preceded this one. I mention that Paul believed in the theory of a God who will come down as a man.
All the bible verses that you listed still supports that claim.
But Paul never for once mentioned anything about a physical Jesus. Lemme help you, this is what I meant.

Paul's letters were the first to be written in the NT yet Paul never mentioned Jesus':
Place of birth.
The events about his life.
Where he went, the people he met .
His miracles.
Paul talked about Isaac, and about his father Abraham, yet, never talked about Jesus' earthly father.
Now think about it.

Ọmọ Paul was impressing the importance of the Christ in the hearts of his Christian brothers who already believe in Jesus but don't fully grasp all the relevance of Christ's earthly mission.

Most of the Christians back then became believers because they actually saw Jesus face to face and witnessed most of his miracles as well as his departure to heaven {1Corinthians 15:6} all these keeps ringing in their hearts but they're not learned like Paul who studied the scriptures as a scholar! Act 22:3

So you can't expect him to start telling them what they already know about Jesus rather it's the importance of the Christ and why it's scriptural for the Christ to suffer and die {Act 17:3} this is what many that knew Jesus face to face still don't understand! Matthew 16:21-22 compare to Luke 24:15-32

That's why Jesus chose Paul to help most Jews who don't know the connection between the Christ and all that has been written in the scriptures before Christ! Act 9:15

soccerlite:
Even the righteous might be consumed too,
All this doesn't validate children born to unbelievers they will not go to heaven
Who knows how they will meet Jesus Christ in heaven
Billy Graham said there are many things we shall know when will get to heaven
But deut 1:39 is instructive for me

Who is Billy Graham?

Well the Bible never said people are going to heaven it's Jesus who promised his corulers that they will stay with him in his father's house to rule over the earth, before then all faithful servants of God believe that Jerusalem will be the center of God's government on earth {Isaiah 2:3; Micah 4:2} but Jews brought a heavy CURSE on that city by spilling the blood of God's servants right in Jerusalem {Matthew 23:37-38} that's why Jesus Christ said many bad things about that city {Luke 21:24} that's why his disciples who believe they will rule with him in Jerusalem {Act 1:6} became devastated and thus he promised to take them to heaven {John 14:1-3} God never promised humans of heavenly life because it's not made for flesh and blood! Psalms 115:16

So instead of listening to some Billy Graham read your Bible and pray for understanding!

sonmvayina:
Two people sharing one brain..
Max and Aemmyiah.

That's what truth does, it makes sane people agree PERFECTLY.

Aemmyjah:
A very big one
See someone that says someone is embracing foreign ideology?

He can never ever find one person that will agree with him on this planet!

The Jews he's always talking about will never agree with him that their ancestors were not real people!

sonmvayina:
It's a story...I don't want to believe you are this dumb.
Stories are meant to entertain, educate,Inform or amuse....
Just like spider man..
It is meant to educate you that with great power comes great responsibility
2. If people can't hurt you, because they can't get to you ..they would hurt the people you love.
3. If you think being with someone will put their life in danger, then you have to let them go..
4. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily your friend...
And in biblical story..
The God inside of you is greater than the obstacle Infront of you (David and Goliath)
Pleasure without responsibility is not good for your spiritual growth ( Onan spoiling his seed)
Etc....

If it's about fictional characters then the door is widely opened for atheism or agnostism.

As long as it's not about real people then don't expect normal people (not insanes) to think of learning anything from it!

soccerlite:
Do you know why there's many uninformed gullible Christians
Who fake pastor manipulate
Cos they don't study your Bible by your self.
Read Deuteronomy 1

Deuteronomy 1 is addressing the Israelites as a congregation of God but the OP is talking about children born to UNBELIEVERS so there's a big difference between children born among God's worshipers and children born to UNBELIEVERS.
Throughout the Bible God has never saved children born to UNBELIEVERS rather they are to be DESTROYED along with their unbelieving parents:
In Noah's day there are millions of children destroyed by the flood.
In Sodom and Gomorrah all the children were destroyed along with their parents.
In Egypt angel of death killed all their firstborn including babies.
In Jericho all the babies were killed along with their parents except those hiding in Rahab's house.
In Amalek God commanded Saul to kill all not sparing babies.
So if it's this same God we're talking about then we must remember that He doesn't spare babies during His anger it's only those born to His worshipers He always save.

sonmvayina:
The writers are real....
Just like Okonkwo is a fictional character
While chinua Achebe is real..

There's nothing to learn from LIES!

sonmvayina:
Like the story of spider man or superman .
If I tell you, I saw superman in new York, you won't believe me... because he is just a character in a story....
The story is meant to teach you some basic life truth .
But in the case of Bible, it is meant to teach you spiritual as well moral truth...

You've not come out plainly with this your opinion.

How can peace learn from what is not true?

sonmvayina:
It is the writer of the story that is informed and he is spreading his knowledge my writing a story about, He is passing a message...but you are foolishly fooling the character in his story...

Are you saying all the writers are real people or someone (real) just sat and fabricated it all?
Please come out plainly!

sonmvayina:
Olodo..the story is not historical...
My people really suffer from lack of knowledge...this is just the definition of max..

If it's all fictional not historical in what sense does it apply to real life so that real people can learn from it?

soccerlite:
Even in the OT, God excluded the little ones and children from judgement

Are you sure of this or you wish it's true?

Aemmyjah:
When they teach you nonsense in your own church. Instead of focusing on what the Bible says, yiu are attacking Max

My comments often touch his heart but he is relying on the things exjws are saying to console himself!

sonmvayina:
There is no where in the book that says you must believe the book.. But learn the message in it... That is what you are supposed to take from it.. Ode.

You can only learn from a source or someone you trust (believe)
That's what makes you a FOOL!

sonmvayina:
That is what I have been knocking into your JW empty skull. Learn the messages in them. But you keep thinking it's a true life story...or historical. They are not...

So we can also learn from Jesus even though he is a fictional character, right?

OPICANTO2223:
Right but God can only do for men what men can't do for themselves.

With a sign you will see God's hand doing the needful.

For instance when God wanted to wipe out all life on dry land He asked Noah to build an Ark and he did just so but:
How will birds enter the Ark in pairs?
How will predators and preys among wild animals live together inside the Ark without killing one another?
What will the carnivores inside the Ark be eating inside the Ark since Noah only gathered straws?

All these are impossible for Noah but he played his own part by building the Ark and leaving the impossible for God to do.

God promised that during our own time He will release His spirit and people from different geographical locations on this planet will form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers, they will settle all their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making buying selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Of course this is impossible because people don't think alike and racial differences will not let such a thing work but do you know that Jehovah's Witnesses are fulfilling that today?
The only thing we are expecting from God now is to help us wipe out all killers from the surface of the earth so that we can have peace globally! Revelations 11:18

Janosky:
This is where FAITHLESS miscreants put their faith.

Only faithful people expect God's promises and want to be part of it's fulfilment but as for pagans they always dwell on past events:

Instead of thinking about what God promised as works of faith for Abraham in his own time faithless miscreants who are Abraham's contemporaries will be contemplating building an ark like Noah and if you ask them what is the purpose of the Ark they will quote Noah telling you that is what Noah did.

Ask Sparrow what's God's will for our generation all he will ask you is the miraculous signs like that of the first century Jewish disciples he doesn't want to know whether the promise differs from what God said about faithful people in his own time all he is looking for is miraculous signs just as it happened in the first century!

iamSi:
Am looking at it from another angle , it may be subtle attack from an apostate . Like a decoy , or sarcasm.......

That's way too deep!

OLAADEGBU:
This thread is for ardent sincere seekers of the truth not for those whose minds are already made up and do not want to be confused with the facts. You can kindly open a thread that caters to your indoctrination where you and your fellow deluded folks entertain yourselves.

Kumuyi pikin, Jerusalem is CURSED according to the utterances of God's only begotten Son!

Emusan:
"One line of thought" has been bursted again
Cc:
Achorladey

That's what Jesus taught us, we must not sleep until the difference in our line of thought is resolved:

“Moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go and reveal his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take along with you one or two more, so that on the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter may be established. If he does not listen to them, speak to the congregation. If he does not listen even to the congregation, let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector" Matthew 18:15-17

as long as there is disagreement in thought regarding judgment then we aren't on the same page that's what will leads to disfellowship. 2John 10-11

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Aemmyjah:
The other answer would mean his head is 'not correct' 😂

So if the human brain with it's superb storage ability doesn't come be chance then atheism is DEAD because that simply means there is an intelligent designer behind what we have now.

Aemmyjah:

Correct
👍

This is really hilarious!

Aemmyjah:
😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂
Made me laugh uncontrollably

These faithless people will come on Nairaland spewing gibberish against God's organization but spiritually speaking themselves and their pastors knows nothing about God's word!

Jesus said:

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent to her—how often I wanted to gather your children together the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings! But you did not want it.  Look! Your house is abandoned to you.  For I say to you, you will by no means see me from now until you say, ‘Blessed is the one who comes in Jehovah’s name!’” Matthew 23:37-39

The Jews in Jerusalem back then banned the mention of Jesus' name in that city and till today 99% of those inhabiting Jerusalem are against Jesus' name so how are they going to receive the Prince of Peace as guest when they are against the mention of his name?

In fact that city has no place anymore in God's arrangement:

"This is why I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits." Matthew 21:43

But because misinformed churchgoers are going there to get the JP title they're thinking Jesus' words is of no relevance!

Aemmyjah:
We leave all that in Jehovah's hands

Obviously you don't like hurting the feelings of others even though they are not members of the house of faith.
Well this is what God's word said through it's study:

*During the days of Noah it was only Noah that was noticed out of all those on the surface of the earth and when it's time to destroy all those dwelling on the planet only Noah was saved along with his children.

*When God wanted to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah only Lot was noticed and so Lot along with his children were spared.

*When the angel of death killed all the firstborn in Egypt only the Israelites along with their children were saved.

*When God destroyed Jericho only Rahab along with her family was spared.

*When God ordered the destruction of Amalek all those living their along with all their babies were asked to be destroyed.

God's word said about believers:
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified in relation to his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified in relation to the brother; otherwise, your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. 1Corinthians 7:14

So my brother the only children that will be remembered during resurrection are those born to God's servants and that's simply because God promised that He will remove all tears from our eyes therefore our children whom we have named and loved will be returned to us in the day of resurrection but as for evildoers all their memories including their children will be forgotten in the grave! Psalms 9:17

That's the bitter truth!

Kepukepu:
Religion does not like critical thinking.

This is a LIE!

OLAADEGBU:
In the same way Jesus left, visibly, bodily, from the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, He will return, visibly, bodily, to the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem.

Ọ̀DẸ̀! ÒPÒNÚ!! OLÓDO!!!

Jesus that's taking his own people away from the earth will return to a CURSED city like Jerusalem shey?

Instead of studying your Bible to understand God's word you will be looking for ways to blackmail God's people.

Kingsnairaland:
Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit [the result of His presence within us] is love [unselfish concern for others],
joy, [inner]
peace,
patience [not the ability to wait, but how we act while waiting],
kindness,
goodness,
faithfulness,
23 gentleness,
self-control.
Against such things there is no law.



The work of the holy spirit in believers are

1...The Holy Spirit Transforms our Lives
2....The Holy Spirit Convicts Us of Sin
3....The Holy Spirit Guides Us to the Truth
4.... The Holy Spirit Empowers Us to Proclaim Christ
5.....The Holy Spirit Empowers Us to Worship
6.....The Holy Spirit Leads Us and tell us things to come
7....The Holy Spirit Gives Us Spiritual Gifts


1 Corinthians 12:4-11

“Now there are different gifts, but the same Spirit.
There are different ministries, but the same Lord.
And there are different activities, but the same God works all of them in each person.
A manifestation of the Spirit is given to each person for the common good:

to one is given a message of wisdom through the Spirit,

to another, a message of knowledge by the same Spirit,

to another, faith by the same Spirit,

to another, gifts of healing by the one Spirit,

to another, the performing of miracles,

to another, prophecy,

to another, distinguishing between spirits,

to another, different kinds of tongues, to another, interpretation of tongues.

One and the same Spirit is active in all these, distributing to each person as he wills.”


The Holy Spirit gives gifts to every believer.
The purpose of these gifts is to serve the body of Christ and advance the gospel of Jesus.


7.....

Ọmọ the one and only organization where Galatians 5:22-23 becomes evident is Jehovah's Witnesses organization apart from our group you can't present any other group among whom the Spirit Bible called "HOLY" is effective.

So instead of quoting what the Bible say present the group of people in whose midst that verse is applicable! James 2:18-26

Mind you the spirit of our own God is His active force not a person but since you say the spirit of your own God is a person oya present the group in whose midst Mr Holy Spirit is working out what is recorded in the Bible book of Galatians 5:22-23

Kingsnairaland:
Brother achorladey
You must be patience with those who don't believe in Jesus
Remember Paul was like that before fighting Christians until God opened his eyes of understand
No one is too evil for God to touch
The blood is for all men and when ever God opens Max eyes you will love him more so have faith that God can reveal to him who Jesus is.

Guy the enmity between light and darkness is never to be resolved and as for your God revealing itself well let it continue revealing itself to your friends my own God only reveal Himself to people who are earnestly seeking Him not faithless miscreants!

Jesus said:

“For this reason I say to you, every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven. For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come" Matthew 12:31-32

Surely some type of sin are weightier than others if there is FORGIVABLE and UNFORGIVABLE SIN!

FRANELCLINIC:
Why do you think God commanded in Ezekiel 9:5, 6 that everyone should be killed, including the ‘little children’?

This has solved the riddle!

If the same God ordered His worshipers to KILL all His enemies (including little children) definitely there is no grace for babies o!

During Noah's day, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho and Amalek babies were killed at the order from the same God so who taught these people that babies are born without sin?