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gameova:
When did i say i was an atheist? Abi u no fit comprehend something?

On a thread where i'm talking about worshipers of the true God you jumped in and typed this:

gameova:
You made no sense

Go and tell Kumuyi, Adeboye, Oyedepo, Olukoya, Oyakilome and others that Hellfire makes no sense i am one of Jehovah's Witnesses that's the one and only organization that's preaching and teaching without threatening people with hellfire so if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses then you must be an atheist that's my point!

Explore2xmore:
You know that those who believe in so called other deities are particularly and zealous about their worship rights too.
In loving yourself you can love the almighty.
Do unto others as you will like them to do to you.
The mix up comes when some try to oppress or outsmart the other. If you are truly fair and just and this goes round there will be no problem.
When some adopt measures to covet what belongs to another problems result. And in display of anger so many unlikable things follow.

The one and only thing that makes people to be covetous is POLITICS so any religion whose members are into politics can't teach people how to do unto others what you will like them do to you!

Can we pay equal salary for all civil servants?


If not then tell me who will like to be underpaid so that we can do unto others what we will like them do to us!

tctrills:
One more thing sir, if the kingdom of God is my goal, it only makes sense that I stay away from an organization that openly declares that they have no intention of making the kingdom of God. I can't depend on such an organization for interpretation of scripture.
I am sure we both agree here.

Since you have a reason that sounds more important to you then i will implore you to wait for those who know God and Jesus better than the organization that's doing what Jesus called God's will!

gameova:
Since i was a child, I've always questioned that doctrine. Never made sense to me.

So you're an atheist.

Hmmmmmmm interesting!

FRANCISTOWN:
Many christians on this forum have a very dull knowledge of the bible.
Jesus Christ himself said In Matt 17:20-21
Matt 6:17 But you when thou fastest, wash your face and anoint your head. Instead, comb your hair and wash your face.
The world when is different from if . The word when is used for a certain event.
Even in Luke 5: 30-35 "... But the time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them; in those days they will fast. ”
Your Jesus said "You will fast"

So how did the first century Christians fasted?
What time did they start to what time?
Who announced it that they should start it?

Ọmọ Jesus simply means they will be terrified to the extent that they will loose their appetite and that's exactly what happened to his disciples they couldn't eat days after his death until his resurrection and the first thing he presented to them was FOOD:

While they were speaking of these things, he himself stood in their midst and said to them: “May you have peace.” But because they were terrified and frightened, they imagined that they were seeing a spirit. So he said to them: “Why are you troubled, and why have doubts come up in your hearts?See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones just as you see that I have.” And as he said this, he showed them his hands and his feet.  But while they were still not believing for sheer joy and amazement, he said to them: “Do you have something there to eat? Luke 24:36-41

Do you think they will still continue grieving and unable to eat while he is right in their midst eating?
Meaning they don't need going on hunger strike!

tctrills:
So the new testament basically contains the words of those he sent out to preach. When you read the new testament, you read their very words right?
And yes, you are right we can identify those following Jesus Christ.
1. They do not teach manmade doctrine
2. They do not depend on guesswork in understanding and explaining the word of God.
3. They show love to all including the prodigal son.
4. They do not add new commandments that are not from God.
5. They can lead you to the kingdom of God. Please don't follow any group who's members know that they would never see the kingdom of God because they are not born again.
I believe we agree a lot on this one.

Did Jesus said all that as identifying mark or you just cooked it up presumptuously?

Ọmọ Jesus never said anything of that nature in fact he made us understand that people will say his disciples are teaching heresy {Matthew 1024-25} so it's not just by assumption that you can understand this but by humbly watching out for the group that is fulfilling what he said no matter what you think about them as long as you can't find a better performing group then stop disturbing your brain that is what the religious people among the Jews in the first century failed to notice, they were looking for fault against Jesus instead of asking "do we have any better teacher?" {John 6:68} they were looking for fault against the one and only teacher who is fulfilling what the prophesies said about the messiah. So if you can find a better performing group that's fulfilling what Jesus said about his friends no wahala but if you can't then stop deceiving yourself!

gameova:
You made no sense

And of course you've made so much sense without a single evidence!

FRANCISTOWN:
So a prophet of Yhwh like John who knew the word of Yhwh didn't know Jesus and was asking the same Jesus if they should expect the real messiah. Dey play

He knew {John 1:29-37} but asked a sarcastic question it simply means "start your righteous rule so I can leave this place" but even Jesus don't know when he will be given the order to start ruling {Matthew 24:36} that's why he told his friends that they should leave that in God's hands! Act 1:6-7

Jesus was talking about the future which is our time when the fulfillment of what God said will be done among Men of goodwill, the job jesus assigned to his disciples will go throughout the entire inhabited earth so what Satan said can't work will done in the gathering of imperfect humans then Satan will be ousted from heaven!

Jokerman:
Only an unwise person will say Jesus is Archangel Michael

Prove you're wiser than those who said so by presenting the worshipers of your own God so we can compare how much they know about the doing of God's will! Matthew 7:21-23

Kingsnairaland:
You mix to many lies here none even link with each other as long as you don't accept Jesus into your heart you will not understand what he is saying in the bible.

My Jesus has living WITNESSES doing his father's will globally they are called JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES today, present those doing the will of your own God otherwise you're worshiping a DEAD god!

Kingsnairaland:
As long as you continue reject Jesus and to reject his commandments of respect to people you will not be able to make this conversation with me.

Guy i no get your time if you're no longer interested in the discussion cut it just know that if you want me to respect your views about your own God you too must respect my own views about my God, your God is not i repeat NOT my God so keep your God and i will keep mine.

Bye bye!

tctrills:
Ok, if that's the case then everyone that reads the bible knows these answers.
But do you really think that salvation is just being able to answer the questions you asked? That anyone who provides answers to your questions above would gain salvation?

The highlighted is a big fat lie!

If it's just about reading the Bible Jesus won't send out his friends to go and TEACH people how to become his friend {Matthew 10:11-13} note that after instructing them he added that anyone who refused to learn from them is doomed {Matthew 10:14-15} this was the order he gave his friends whom he sent to preach and teach among the Jews {Matthew 10:6} because they are the closest to salvation having the scriptures with them! John 4:22

So if the Jews needs to be taught how to know God and Jesus THOROUGHLY do you think anyone could just pick up the Bible and know these two persons easily?

Well Jesus didn't leave us in spiritual darkness he made it clear to us that it's easy to IDENTIFY his real friends who are to teach us:

They will have LOVE among themselves {John 13:34-35} they will be active globally in the work he commissioned for them {Act 1:8} they will be peaceful everywhere you find them {Matthew 10:16} and they will be spoken of badly by all other religionists! Matthew 10:24-25

Now your salvation is in your hands!

jaephoenix:
Lol 😆
Still exhibiting your lack of mental prowess.
You said this
Without a supreme being there can't be peace in the society and that is what you and your children need: PEACE!
Considering there is no world peace, that means a Supreme being doesn't exist. Since his existence proves world peace

You're not intelligent enough!

Did i say world peace or societal peace ?

You should have asked "what society has such peace?" According to God's word Satan is the ruler of this world {1John 5:19} so the world can't know peace but among the worshipers of the true God there must be LOVE, JOY and PEACE! Galatians 5:22-23

jaephoenix:
Matter of what?
By the way, do you have a branch in Afghanistan and Pakistan ?

The so called pacifists you talked about how many times have they come to your house to discuss about how to make peace with neighbour?

Of course we have brothers and sisters in those counties but its where we are allowed to build branches that people like you know for instance our branch office in Russia has been confiscated but does that mean Jehovah's Witnesses are no longer in Russia?

bobestman:
Lol you ppl self. You ppl just want to argue. Immortality is deathlessness. There are many who never taste death. When you please God he might decide to take you away one day. This happened to Elijah and Enoch. The 24 elders were ones great kings on earth before they ascended and were rewarded.

Guy all Adam's descendants died.

Do you now believe in Jesus of Nazareth? Because it's only him that mentioned 24 elders o!

bobestman:
It is not about proving. Will you understand with your zapped JW mind? No be to argue with JW handout you sabi? And anything against it is a lie to you

Present the worshipers of your own God, to the world i presents the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses!

That's the undeniable evidence of the Bible God.

Without such an organized group these is no single evidence of God! Isaiah 43:10-12

bobestman:
Yea he might not know. He may know but refuse to tell them cos many true men of God usually put things in codes. In our world today their are ppl operating in the spirit of Elisha, Isaiah etc that don't know yet. To me he knew cos he said he was a voice crying out in the wilderness - it was code for a great prophet who came

Sorry the true God doesn't hide such information from His friends!

sonmvayina:
Max you see one big disadvantage of being a member of a cult..
They rope you to the evil of any member of the cult.. I have always told you to priotise obeying the laws and commandments of the creator rather than be part of a group involved in child sex abuses..

With Jehovah's Witnesses i am the happiest man on earth so call me whatever you want to call them i'm most pleased!

tctrills:
So if someone ask if I know Bob Marley, I should say no?
Does knowing someone implies knowing everything about the person? I bet you don't know everything thing about your own kids, would you say you don't know your kids?

Do you know those two persons in question?

God and Jesus.

Where they live, what they like, what they detests, who are their friends, how they often react to matters, what type of stranger they would likely make their friend.

Surely your salvation will be easier than anything else.

That's what Jesus meant by that statement at John 17:3

Kingsnairaland:
No comment on this because you continue to use vile language on reference to the spirit of God.

The spirit that has failed to unite you people in LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, MILDNESS, KINDNESS, FAITH and SELF-CONTROL is false !

jaephoenix:
So inotherwords, you're saying there's no supreme being then?
Lol 😆. These theists are prime dvllards

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa you missed it!

The only Supreme Being exist among JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES {Isaiah 43:10-12} that's why His word is fulfilled in our midst! Isaiah 2:2-4

jaephoenix:
For the uber-umpteenth time, your child mol@sting organization is not the only pacifist organization out there.

Apart from JWs how many have come to speak with you on the matter?

Templee333:
just a reminder: "and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die" - john 11:26.

According to Jesus those believing in him are in comma whenever they stop breathing because he knows them so during resurrection he will just call them by name the same way he called Lazarus but in this case some are saying nobody dies for real whether believer or not.

Explore2xmore:
So many things are referred to as god by different people. How do you pronounce God differently from god?
What is godliness or is it Godliness?

The title GOD/God/god has no difference it's religionists that are making distinctions in favour of the choice they've made for instance your own Allah is GOD from your own point of view while all others are gods the same way a Trinitarian will view his Jesus as GOD but render your own Allah as god so it's meaningless what really matters is NAME of your own God.

Godliness means sacred services like the salat in Islam but what is the practical benefit?

Can the love you have for your Allah move you to sacrifice nationality and refuse to kill your fellow Muslim with whom you climbed Arafat during Hajj when the politicians ruling your country orders you to go and kill Muslims in another country?

NO! In fact at such a time the love for Allah means nothing to you in the face of nationality and racism.

That's what the Bible quote means!

Kingsnairaland:
Peter on the day holy spirit came and in many places in the bible when they spoke the heavenly language many outside said the same thing you said that they were drunk and saying nonsense but Peter corrected them
Frankly
I don't want to talk to you about spirit, holy spirit things of speaking in tongues because it may lead you to get un forgivable sin.
Because you still have unbelievers attitude you abuse and insult and Jesus takes this sins very seriously.

The tongue Peter defended was languages understood by people who are not even believers! Act 2:2-4

So it's not the gibberish you and your disorganized people are spewing today.

Kingsnairaland:
Am not a novice and you don't know Bible that why you think Jesus will put physical organization
No no no
Jesus church is a spiritual church called the body of Christ
And he as God is a spirit and he is the head of this spiritual body
All this I have shown you in the bible
Until you believe Jesus before you can understand how he design his people.

As long as you people are not organized your Jesus is FAKE!
That's what he meant by workers of iniquity as you're claiming you have a spiritual family but you don't have rules binding on those you call spiritual family all of you are doing things anyhow yet you're deceiving yourself that you have one leader! Matthew 7:21-23

Kingsnairaland:
Number one
The second coming is when Jesus returns to judge all mankind – the living and the dead. The living includes all who will be alive when he returns. The dead includes everyone else, all who have lived and died physically. Jesus said that everyone who has died will be raised from the dead and be judged
John 5:26-29
26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

God has declared judgment on all evildoers: DEATH (non-existence) so anyone who treats other humans like himself or herself badly without considering God will not be resurrected at all {Psalms 9:17} they've had all their share in the gift of life. Romans 6:7
But there are some who lived by conscience as they had no chance of knowing God's word {Romans 2:15} so they will be given the opportunity to God's guidance but their resurrection will be among UNRIGHTEOUS while servants of God are declared RIGHTEOUS! Act 24:15
So there is no resurrection for deliberate evildoers!

Kingsnairaland:
Number two
Below shows how God is going to use Jesus to judge everyone and Paul is reminding us he has been saying this teaching from day one
Romans 2
6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done...
16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares..
Number three
Below shows every one will appear again to be judged by Jesus on what they did when they were on earth in human body
2 Corinthians 5:10 ►
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.
New Living Translation
For we must all stand before Christ to be judged. We will each receive whatever we deserve for the good or evil we have done in this earthly body.
Number four
Here Jesus talks about how he is also going to judge people on what they have said in their mouth
Matthew 12:36–37
I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.
Number five
Here Jesus said those who believe in him and obeys him that he won't even bother to judge them because they already have eternal life
John 5:21–25
For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Number six
Here God shows how the heaven court will
Look like how he is going to set up the place for Jesus to judge everyone
Revelation 20:12–15
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life.
And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it,
Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire.
This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
There are still many places that talk about Jesus justice judgment
Watch the things you say so read the Bible or ask things you don't know so that you can learn from him who God sent to you.

The only judgment after resurrection will take place at the end of Christ's thousand years reign, people who never had an opportunity to know the righteousness of God will be taught during that 1,000 years anyone who tries to obstruct the learning process will die after 100 years in Paradise {Isaiah 65:20} while the rest will continue living until the end of 1,000 years {Revelations 20:3} Satan will be released to test them if they will stick to the things they've learned and accepted as truth {Revelations 20:12} whoever falls to stand firm by then is the one to be judged not all those that have been judged already in past!

FRANCISTOWN:
That's so rich coming from someone who reads the bible upside down

You read it downside up yet you trashed it's knowledge!

FRANCISTOWN:
What did John know? Was he supposed to know that he was the spirit of Elijah?

YES! He is God's greatest prophet according to Jesus of Nazareth!

FRANCISTOWN:
I'm not talking about coma.Leave coma alone.

Jesus likens death to comma so it's the same thing only the ability to revive can save both of them!

bobestman:
Oga no dey put mouth 4 watin you no sabi.

Prove you sabi not just arguing but with evidence that's undeniable!