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They say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. This is what i've been saying all this while. In the grand sense/scheme, God is merciful and loving. It's like a schoolteacher, to one, he's a very wicked man(because one scored zero). To his kids, dad is the best man in the universe. The relationship kindof alters the perspective. The good news is that God seeks a Father-child relationship with each one of us. He's not willing that any should perish but that we all come to truly know Him. If only you truly knew my dad/God, you'll know He's not just the nicest/loveliest, He is Love.of us. He's not willing that any should perish but that we all come to truly know Him. If only you truly knew my dad/God, you'll know He's not just the nicest/loveliest, He is Love.

This one is just regurgitating old tales that mean nothing. . . .God is love you said, but when I read the bible I see God doing things that even some of the most vilest humans will NOT do, I see Yahweh killing babies for things that know nothing about, requesting for humans to be burnt and sent to him as a sacrifice, encouraging plunder, slavery and war. . .Telling people to stone to death their disobedient children, confusing people and killing them for it, killing people for no just cause etc. . . .Where is the love?. . . .Will you consider a being that send animals to kill innocent Children for the wrong doings of their parents a loving entity?. . .

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God never said at any time that He is an evil entity, neither was He apologizing for his evil doings.

The bible never said that God is omnipresent as well but that was deduced based on some of his alleged attributes from the biblical stories. . . .Are you lying about God not apologizing for his evil deeds? Here it is once again. . . . .

Jer 42:10 If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull [you] down, and I will plant you, and not pluck [you] up: for I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you

I will go with what the bible says over your baseless apologies and opinions. . . .The bible says Yahweh apologized and repented of the evil he did, I will go with what the bible says. . . .

It is His love for us that makes Him grieve(or as the kjv put it 'repent') at punishing the disobedient Israelites. Punishment/judgement is messy/unpleasant. Nobody wants to go through it. It shows that God feels for us, even in our sinful state. Like Romans says, God loved us while we were yet sinners.

If sin makes God grieve why doesn't he just take sin away so that he wouldn't be grieving?. . . .Now its how the KJV puts it abi?. . . .Why will good need to grieve over anything? I thought the bible says he knows everything from the beginning?. . .It is us humans that grieve when things get out of control for us because we don't know everything and we don't have the power to do everything, a God that is alleged to know everything, and has the ability to do all things is not supposed to be caught grieving since he already knew that humans will disappoint him already. . . .A God that is all powerful, all knowing and still displays grief is impossible. . . .And it is a lie when you say God loves because it is very clear in the bible that Yahweh chooses whom he loves and whom he hates. . He does NOT love every body according to the bible both in the old and new testaments

God treats us better than we deserve. In judgement, we(the human race) deserve death.

By sending wild animals to kill innocent children for the sins of their parents abi?. . . .You are a joke. . .

God told Adam he'll die if adam disobeyed Him. Our judgement is death(i.e eternal separation from God) but God organised a redemption, a rescue, and sent Jesus Christ to take our judgement. That's mercy, that's love. No other sacrifice could atone for us. There was a time i compared it to an infected os/computer. The whole things's infected, it's not exactly the fault of some files but they may have to be deleted or formatted to save the hard disk.

If Jesus christ has taken the judgement of people then why will people still be judge when they die according to the christain hypothesis?. . .So the best way was for your God to sacrifice himself unto himself?. . .Whats that?. . . .That's not mercy, read the OT and you will see where Moses was even advising and pleading with God to be merciful and God listened to him and did as he said. . . .An all powerful being that can do all things can still save the files without deleting anything since he is alleged to have the ability to do all things, no?. . .

davidylan:
depends. You seem to have a personal idea of what God should be and how He should act.

Am assuming God is what people say he is. . . People ALWAYS use human behavior to explain God's behavior ,no?. . . .If he were God i doubt if he will act that way, .

that there are 2 sides to a coin . . .
Martian claims God must be bad for killing the kids with the parents . . . well should God have spared the kids who would have raised them?

Yes, because according to the God hypothesis he is all powerful and can do all things, he can raise the kids without their parents,no?. . . .

exactly why i said you have a personal idea of who you think God should be. Moulded to mazaje's image.
Should God be required to come down and personally feed the kids then earth might as well not exist . . . it could simply be an extension of heaven no?

Last time I read the bible it has some stories about God sending manna from heaven to feed his chosen men that were stranded in the desert,no?. . Did the earth stopped existing when manna was falling from heaven when Yahweh wanted to see to it that his chosen people survived in the desert assuming the story was true?. . . . .God can save the little kids and take care of them since he can do all things, no?. . .

the flood was to destroy the angels [/b]who came down to dwell among men and bear offspring through the daughters of men.

Really?. . . .Where did you get that from?

Genesis 6.7
[b]I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of this earth, both man and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowl of the air. . . .

Yahweh CLEARLY talks about destroying man, beast, creeping things and fowl of the air. . . . .No mention of destroying angles there(or even satan). . . .I don't know if you are reading from the Koran or some other ancient Mesopotamian text. . . . .

Because you forgot to read the verse more thoroughly.

Really?. . . .

davidylan:
Assume you were God, would you have wiped out all parents and left the children all by themselves? Who would have tended to the babies?

Assuming he were God you think he would have acted the way the bible said Yahweh acted?. . . .What exactly are you trying to show? That Yahweh is a very human character and not even a very nice human at that at all. . . .I thought the bible says that Yahweh is all power and can do all things if that is true then he can take care of the children himself and tend to them by himself because they were innocent , no?. . . .He could have severed as their parent, no? Even humans don't kill babies, during conflict in today's world, no?. . . The myth of the Noah flood makes absolutely no sense because after destroying humans humans still continued to sin and disobey Yahweh, making Yahweh to come down and fight them sometimes on his own according to some of the ridiculous stories of the bible so what exactly did killing all the babies really achieve assuming that the myth was true?. . .

Please, look at Genesis 6.7

I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of this earth, both man and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowl of the air. . . .

You will notice that Yahweh did not even name Satan as part of his list of things to be destroyed at all even though everything was his fault according to the story and he remains your Yahweh's worst enemy that lead his creation astray. Yahweh is all powerful, he hates Satan yet he can't do anything to him. . .He kills all the humans including all the innocent babies with a violent flood but could not kill Satan who lead them astray in the first place. . . How does this convoluted story make any sense please?.

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The Leviticus 26 passage you quoted is similar, it's judgemet, punishment. Punishment is a result of wrongdoing, it's unpleasant. God loves man and doesn't want man to sin. He even forgives man of his sin. But if a man sins, he simply gets punished, fact. I'm not going to coat it for you to make it look pleasant. i can only make analogies hoping you see from these, since you can't see from the original.
Punishment is everywhere. A CEO may love all his staff, give incentives, promotions, hope to do good for staff and their families. But if one employee steals or is incompetent or does something evil, he gets sacked, that's punishment. Who wants to get sacked/punished. It's unpleasant, or can we say evil, but it happens every other day. You may love your dog, train it, treat it etc but it suddenly gets 'mad' and bites or kills someone close to you. It's not irrational to punish the dog in some way. Some may starve it for a day, beat it, sell it. Some may even kill it. All these is not good but evil, at least to the dog.

Will you consider your CEO a merciful person if he sends wild animals to eat up your kids for your wrong doings?. . . .Will you kill you puppies because their mother bite another person?. . . .Why is your God threating to send wild animals to kill people's babies for the wrong doings of their parents? Is that what you call a loving or merciful God?. . . .

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The Bible doesn't say that God is evil. You're a liar just like the devil is.

. . . .Am not a lair. . . .The bible says God is evil because it talks about God doing evil and apologizing for the evil he did. . . .



Jer 42:9 And said unto them, Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, unto whom ye sent me to present your supplication before him;

Jer 42:10   If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull [you] down, and I will plant you, and not pluck [you] up: for I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you. (KJV)

The bible does not say God is omnipresent as well but people use some of his attributes as written in the bible to come to that conclusion. . . .An entity that is capable to doing evil must have evil attributes, no?. . . .One of the attributes of Yahweh according to the bible is his ability to commit evil, he even apologized for the evil he committed making him an evil entity, no?. . . .

God permits evil to happen,ot or nt. Evil still happens, no? Destruction is evil. God wanted to destroy the Israelites in Exodus32 but verse 14 says that He didn't. This was because of Moses' prayer for them. I mentioned WHATEVER QUALITY from Genesis, don't know why you said i missed some out. God is Judge. And as Judge, God rewards both with good and evil. You reap what you sow. If you sow good, God rewards you good and vice versa. That's a Judge, that's justice. It's the same in Jeremiah 42. The people received evil(punishment) from God because of their backsliding but the moment they supplicated(v9), God had mercy. It's the same today for every sinner like you. This is elementary comprehension of context. Gloat all you want on word picking and you'd remain never learning anything.

Why then was Yahweh repenting for the evil he did if he was administering Justice? What kind of Justice is that the judge repents after administering it? . .  .The passage says I repent of the evil I did, no? A fair judge can never repent , do you know what mercy is? Mercy means to treat people better than they deserve. . . .The acording to the bible thus say the lord
"I repent of the evil I have done unto you" I didn't say that. . .The bible did. . .

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i'm waiting for this showing. i've not cherry picked scriptures like you were cherry picking my words, and the scriptures. i'm not in denial or disbelief of any scripture passage. i can only quote what seems relevant to the discuss or as based on questions you ask. All i've required is that you present them one after the other, in an orderly manner, so that we can perhaps have a profitable discussion, not just a throw up of atheistic frustrations.

Here is what you said. . . .

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In a similar sense, God has not changed. He still hates sin. He is still powerful, God, merciful, loving, righteous, holy, and whatever quality we call Him from Genesis. God's against witches, sin, and all disobedience to Him/His Word. He's not changed.

Firstly you are picking passages to tell me that God has not changed but am telling you that the God you are saying does not change has changed a great deal. . .A simple reading of the bible shows it. . .Lets take the dietary laws as an example. . .Back in the OT some certain type of diet where prohibited but in the NT everything was permissible to be eaten by the same God supposedly. . . .In the OT some things offend God so much and he was written to have said that those engaged in such acts were to be stoned to death or killed. . . .In the NT the same God allegedly saw nothing wrong with such things any more. . .Example working on the sabbath. . . .This change is due to a simple fact the people who constantly re-invent and manufacture the God change and once they change then their God will also change along with them. . . .

Secondly you gave a litany of some attributes and ascribed to your God among them love and mercy. . . .I didn't see you list the bad once like evil cos we have the God of the bible saying that he is an evil entity, he committed evil several times and apologized for his evil deeds, no?. . . .You were only cheery picking the good attributes and leaving the evil ones out. . . .To be merciful means to treat people better than they deserve. . . .Yet we have your God threatening to have babies killed by wild animals. . . .Will you consider an entity that threatens to have babies killed by wild animals to be a merciful entity?. . .You guys just keep throwing words around with out even knowing what they mean. . . .

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You said"your God will also kill punish women that speak in churches". Well i do not see the Bible that says that. don't know if you have. A law/command/advice is different from the repercussion/punishment/judgement for disregarding/disobeying that law/command/advice. Try to understand that.
What i mean that God has not changed is that God has not changed. He Himself said it and we who know Him/understand Him better know that He has not changed.

NOT true, a simple reading of the OT and the NT will show you that the God the bible talks about has changed a great deal from getting angry and killing people over simple things like picking sticks on the sabbath or setting very strict dietary laws and clothing laws to allowing people to eat anything and forgetting about the sabbath. . . .

Malachi 3:6  For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Heb 13:8  Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever.

A simple reading of the bible shows that this statement is false. . . . .

i told you earlier, the Bible is not an exact science, neither are humans, relationships, living things. It takes maturity and often revelation to understand the word of God. The way i can help you is like say giving analogies. For example, you might have a friend, maybe you've not seen him since 5years 10 years. Now you guys meet. And you're like 'this guy has not changed'. It's true he has not changed in that maybe he still talks the same way, or reasons the same way, or in a bad sense, maybe he still has an habit of lying, carelessness, womanizing. He's not changed but it's possible he has a new address, class, weight, marital status, car etc.

Very poor analogy and God that very easily kills people and accepts human and animal sacrifice which is completely different from a God that doesn't no? Read the bible. . . .I am talking about the behavior of the God of the bible as recorded in the old and new testaments, that God has changed a great deal. . . .

In a similar sense, God has not changed. He still hates sin. He is still powerful, God, merciful, loving, righteous, holy, and whatever quality we call Him from Genesis. God's against witches, sin, and all disobedience to Him/His Word. He's not changed.

You see you are still picing and choosing what quailities you want to ascribe unto your God from the bible, you are choosing only the good attributes you want to chose, what about the evil ones, the bible clearly says that God is evil and does evil in some parts, no?. . . .

Exodus 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people (KJV)

Jer 42:9 And said unto them, Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, unto whom ye sent me to present your supplication before him;

Jer 42:10 If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull [you] down, and I will plant you, and not pluck [you] up: for I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you. (KJV)

Here we have God clearly saying that he did evil and he repented of his evil deeds. . . .I don't see christians quoting any of these verses. . . .Only an entity that has evil as one of its attributes can display evil, no?

You said your God is loving right?. . . .

Leviticus 26:21-22
" 'If you remain hostile toward me and refuse to listen to me, I will multiply your afflictions seven times over, as your sins deserve. 22 I will send wild animals against you, and they will rob you of your children, destroy your cattle and make you so few in number that your roads will be deserted.

So, do you believe your God is loving? If so, why does he threaten to have children eaten by wild animals in this verse? Will you consider any being that threatens to have children eaten by wild animals a loving being?. . .

We're not saying that He's not changed sitting position, or has not uttered a word, or batted an eyelid as that also means God has not changed. It's a flawed knowledge and context that disturbs many people. Some people have flawed knowledge of simple things like God's onmipresence. Omnipresence basically means He is present everywhere. However, it'll be silly(to be mild) to say He's in the bottle, in the phone, in your pocket, in the fridge, in the keyhole, in my shoe. It'll be most silly to argue with me and say "But He's omnipresent, He's in the cup,no?"  OR to pick a scripture like
Matthew 18:19  Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
And two people agree and say the world would end today, God said we should agree. Or even seemingly good stuff like we agree there will be no more sickness in africa, or no more road accident in nigeria. These agreements/understanding have simply cherry picked the Bible, taking that passage as an exact science without looking at the whole counsel of God. Do you read of two brothers and a mother who came to Jesus and asked for reserve seats in Heaven? Was it done for them of His Father in heaven?
Matthew 22:29  Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God.
1Corinth 14:20  Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

My friend you are just giving me your opinion as if that is what the bible says. . . .The bible talks about two people coming together and asking for things through prayers and promising that their request will be granted and here you are trying to spin it to mean something else. . .If that is what the bible was trying to say it would have been written inside the bible, no? I thought you guys claim the bible is the word of God, or do you not believe in what it says again?. . . .The bible is clear when two people come together and ask with faith in prayers their request will be granted if it meant to say something else it would have been written as part of the verse, I know why you chose to spin it to mean something else. . . .

The scriptures is not mathematical equations. 1+1 is not always equal to 2. Sometimes, it's 1 in scriptures. Another time someone puts in one and gets 30fold, some 60 some 100. The Bible says "Pray without ceasing1Thess5v17". The Bible also says "Rejoice in the Lord alwaysPhilippians 4v4". i guess you also know many christians who clearly disobey these plain scriptures seeing the Bible is very clear about this(you seem to 'know' many christians btw). It'll be wrong to class them all together and say my opinion is immaterial, those that disbelieve are condemned, those that disobey are punished. Blimey, you might even have some scriptures to boot your talk. Well, you need revelation to understand scriptures, and then maturity, comparing scripture with scripture.

Those that disobey are also sinner no? And the bible says that the wages of sin is death, no?. . . .What you are saying is that the bible can be taken to mean anything with also proves my point. . . .

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It's better you leave martian alone and listen to people who have an idea of what you seek to know as regards the OP.

Luke 6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?

i don't know if you want to learn or if you're more interested in scoring silly cheap points(maybe you could use the points to buy something @christmas). Talk about having a beam in the eye and screaming the mote off another's. You've cherry picked my words, and you're not going to gain anything that way. If you'd continue that way, i'd explain this, then you'd pick some seeming point/flaw, then i'd explain that and you'd search out another, and on and on. i'm yet to condemn anyone on this thread. i've refrained from judging anyone (you've asked about witches, homosexuals, disobedient children, now women). Here was what was said,
On your homosexuality question, i agree and all christians agree on what the court decides on homosexuals as their judgement. Whether homosexuality is right or wrong is another issue. But their judgement is their business, not mine. I judge no man.
To this you replied by sayingAnd here was my reply
On homosexuality, i've said it i'm not the judge. God is ultimate judge, and make no mistake, He will punish homosexuals in hell fire. But i don't have a duty to stone them. i'll stick with the courts and mind more important business.
If you decide to pick just this last one and make whatever conclusions on it, are you not the chief cherry picker? The issue was on humans judging people(homos, witches, sinners), in this instance by putting to death ithink. i've shown you "Judge not". And have explained to you that although we(humans/christians) are not judging, God is the ultimate Judge. God will punish all this people. There's a Judgement day coming, i believe that's not news to you? On Judgement day, He/God(not i) will punish homosexuals in hell fire. This is simple basic scripture knowledge. It's not personal view/bigotry.
Romans 1:27  And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
Romans 1:32  Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Lev 18:22  Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Lev 18:23  Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
Lev 18:24  Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
Lev 18:25  And the land is defiled: therefore[b] I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitant[/b]s.
1Corinth 6:9  Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Corinth 6:10  Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
The judgement of homosexuality and such like is plainly revealed in the Bible as can be seen from the above. On women preaching, i already said it and you've quoted it. Just like i rightly said about homosexuals, I AM NOT THE FINAL JUDGE. I AM NOT. Their judgement is not my business. Is that not clear enough for you to understand? You saidYou're talking of judgement/punishment. i don't know about their punishment and i'm not too interested. i'm not a woman btw. Whether what they do is right or wrong is another issue(just like i said on homosexuality). You're mixing the law with the punishment. In the women preaching, there are different schools of thought and interpretation of the passage. Unlike homosexuality that is plain enough at least for the majority to see. And have quoted their ultimate judgement if they don't repent. i can't quote or find a place that says this and that would happen to women that preach in church. i'm not omniscient, and i sincerely do not know what would happen to them. i'm not the Judge. If they're going to be punished, what kind of punishment, i don't know. Punishment and judgement varies, it's not equal. It'll be more tolerable for Sodom than for some. Some people will get to God's kingdom and have their works burnt. All these is in the Bible. i'll only tell you what's revealed in the Bible, i'm not the guy with the special list of names.

The OP is very simple its about Christians picking and choosing what they believe and using it to castigate others, no?. . .The same thing is what you are doing here, I will show it to you soon. . .

OP is clearly smoking cow dung. . .

Moderator pls take down this thread. . . .

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My man how far na?. . , Where you go hide? Hope you are good. . . .Nice to have you back. . . .

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i no be your Baba o, soon now you'll be calling me 'Papa' like one of them church folks ehn.
The witch thing is also a judgement. No one's expected to put judgement into his own hands as a Christian. You leave it to God, and to the courts. Yes, God's against witches, sin, and all disobedience to Him/His Word. He's not changed. But in the NT, we strive for salvation of lives, mercy, pardon, conversion, not judgement. Jesus came to be judged for ALL sins. He's taken the place of the witch, homo, thief, etc. That's the good news/gospel. But each sinner needs to accept His sacrifice and repent. You either take Jesus' death/punishment for you, or take it yourself come judgement day. One would have thought the better choice was obvious.
On women preaching, i'm not the final judge, God is. Is not my position to say this person is condemned or not. What i can do is advice that we all follow what we see in God's Word and ask for God's grace to live in an acceptable and pleasing way to Him.

What do you mean that God has not changed when we have a clear shift as YOU have pointed out yourself. . . .Disobedient kids, adulterers and witches for example were all to be stoned to death by the people, in the NT its all about being a pacifist. . . .As for not being the judge with regards to women preaching, well the bible is very clear about that women are NOT to preach in churches. . . Your opinion to that is immaterial because the bible is very clear about that. . . . .

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Very well said Martian. . . . .He was very quick to condemn homosexuals to hell because the bible prohibits homosexuality, but he he is not quick to condemn women that teach or speak in churches because he disagrees with the teaching of the bible that also prohibits women from teaching or speaking in the church . . . He just displayed the cherry picking that this topic is really talking about. . . . .The bible is clear it says those that disbelieve are condemned already. . . . .Women that disbelieve in the teaching that they are supposed to shut up and be quite in the churches and not preach are disbelievers and are therefore condemned already, no?. . . .

frosbel:
What is the origin of MAN !!

Is he a product of evolution or creation.

Don't know an I have never claim to have such knowledge. . . .

I think to believe in the type of evolution that makes the crazy suggestion that we evolved from specie to specie over a billion years is not only impossible based on scientific logic but also on common sense.

Please state your case !!!!!!

DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE TO SHOW THAT MAN WAS CREATED FROM SAND AND THAT WOMAN WAS CREATED FROM THE RIBS OF A MAN?. . . . .

Not completely true. . . .Women are more emotional than men. . . .I have seen and heard of more women commit suicide because they were jilted than men, I have only heard of one case where a guy committed suicide because he was jilted, have heard many cases of women killing themselves because they were jilted. . . .

[quote author=PAGAN  9JA link=topic=542184.msg9199217#msg9199217 date=1316706365]These are religions and they cant be used to harm people. they teach you about the facts of life unlike islam and christianity which are silly arabian fairytales. [/quote]And whotold you that African traditional religions aren't fairly tales?. . . . . . . .The same African religions are the ones that promote human sacrifice and the killing of twins, no?. . . .African religion my[i] a[/i]ss. . .

thehomer:
An ode to what? It looks like your inability to form coherent sentences extends to your poor thinking ability.

. . . . .Some times I hardly understand what sweetnectar is saying. . . .The guy has lost it completely. . .

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O, thanks for supplying the passages jayriginal and mazaje.
What i mean is that one's shouldn't for instance take a passage where Jesus sends His disciples to preach only to Israelites in isolation, neglecting that He sent them to the whole world in another passage. Scriptures have to be compared with scriptures.

Sure scripture has to be compared with scripture but remember that doing that has caused alot of disharmony because people always pick and chose what they want and what agrees with their opinions all of the time. . . .

The passages you quoted confirm that the punishment was meted out by a kind of court, it involves judges and elders. Now this is a judgement/punishment, not the kind of law for everyone like thou shalt not kill or steal.

The judgement is what am talking about. . . .Thou shall not suffer a witch to live is also a judgement that is in the bible and many christians use it as a justification for killing people they label as witches, no?. . . .The same people refuse to obey passages that tell them to stone to death their disobedient children. . .When if you ask them they come up with various excuses. . . . .

On homosexuality, i've said it i'm not the judge. God is ultimate judge, and make no mistake, He will punish homosexuals in hell fire. But i don't have a duty to stone them. i'll stick with the courts and mind more important business.

That also means that your God will also kill punish women that speak in churches or teach in churches because the bible prohibits them from doing that, yet many christians do not have a problem with it. . . . .

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Baba mi, how far?. . . .

This is tragic but I can't help but laugh at their stupidity. . . .Bullet proof Juju . . . .Na wah ohhh. . .Ignorance and baseless superstitious beliefs no go kill us finish for Nigeria ohh. . .

debosky:
Simply post things with a big Caveat: I do not have any understanding of what I post - everything is copy and paste with no ounce of my own understanding. That way we'll know how to address your posts.


It's quite silly to post things here and not expect to be challenged when others see flaws in it, yet you feel qualified to challenge others but not be challenged yourself. What arrogance.

. . . .What say you our dear OLAADEGBU?. . . .

frosbel:
Muslims, Catholics and Atheists all on the same side

No surprise there, we all know they have different mothers but the same father SATAN.

Have you ever seen this mythical construct called Satan or do you have any evidence to show that he exist out side your deluded imaginations? According to sweetnectar you are also the son of Satan ,no?

Some question to the evolutionist in the house. . .Let's say abiogenisis was the start of "life" on earth as some people propose. At what point did Darwin's evolution begin?

My friend stop wasting your time on baseless and meaningless superstitions. . . .Juju is a fraud and it does NOT work on any body, it has never worked on any body and will never work, if juju works do you think we will ever be practicing any foreign religion in Africa? Don't you know that our ancestors tried to push of the white men with their juju and it failed them?. . . . .Find other ways of dealing with the white people prosecuting you and forget about the myth and superstitious fraud called juju . . . .its nothing but a waste of time. . .

. . . .Sounds really familiar. . . .

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@mazaje
Can you please provide the passage on the children who disobey their parents? Note though that the scriptures is taken as one whole i.e with consideration to every scripture. It's not an exact science.

Sorry am lost cos I really don't understand what you are saying here, but he is the passage. . .

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, 19then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, 20and they shall say to the elders of his city, 'This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard. Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Is this a moral or ceremonial law?. . . .It seems straight forward to me. . .

On your homosexuality question, i agree and all christians agree on what the court decides on homosexuals as their judgement. Whether homosexuality is right or wrong is another issue. But their judgement is their business, not mine. I judge no man.

Ok fair enough since you say you judge no man. . . .I was talking about others that use the bible as a basis for condemning homosexuals while leaving out other parts from the same bible. . . .

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@mazaje and co,
If you're going to gain ANYTHING through your questionings, it'll help you to be calm and at least focused, instead of foaming out all your confusions and God-hate thoughts as they come. Any fool can condemn, criticize and complain, don't you think? Try to take things one step at a time, nobody's here to answer all your questions. We're all learning i hope? Because unbelievers cannot process much spiritual information, and yet they usually behave like they know it all.

My questions are quite straight forward I believe. . . .

Now, you should notice that i said the OT laws are BROADLY divided into two. It's a broad/general classification we're on, try to grasp that, there are other classes. Ceremonial laws involve rites, ceremony, ritual, usually involves temple/priest activities and are aimed as a sort of cleansing.
Moral laws involve basically what is good and what is bad.

The problem is that christians even cherry pick the moral laws they chose to follow and discard some of them. . . .

Tithing is a form of giving/offering to God. Giving is moral.
Children are still expected to obey/honour their parents. This is a moral law. The punishment for disobedience is a judicial law. You don't just pick stones at your fancy and begin to stone people, it involved a kind of court.

The bible simply says that children who disobey their parents are to be stoned to death. . . .Do you agree with that?. . . . .

Today, we have our courts and we're subject to their rulings as the Bible commands

Many courts in the western world approve homosexuality do you agree with that?. . . .

Moreso, Jesus came and told us not to pre-occupy ourselves with judging others, remember? Instead, we now live with power provided by the new covenant for grace, forgiveness, truth and love

But the same Jesus was constantly condemning people that fail to accept his teachings no?. . . When I look around I don't see christians practicing what you are saying at all. . . .

When the baby has the potential to kill the mother. . .Or if the baby is going to come into the world with a great form of deformity or illness. . .

globexl:
My brother, we are not talking about writing about love or making references to love. Anyone can write about love. What we are saying is that  the very acts of love are missing in the bible, especially the so-called great love that god has for his creation. For example , why would a loving god who created all, then choose one tribe over thousands of others that he supposedly created? He then commands this one tribe to hate and kill other tribes? He even kills his so-called chosen people when they marry members of other tribes. Where is the love?
In sunday school, I used to wonder whether it was another god   that created the Phillistines, the egyptians, the people of Jerico, ammonites,and the list goes on. And what could have been their crime?. It sooooo hilarious when you hear an African deluding himself that the god of Isreal loves him.
Anyone who reads the bible and does not ask themselves these common sense questions is, ?

You have just said it. . .The person said that God loves the world and gave his only child to the world, forgetting that the same God was busy telling his chosen people to hate others and kill them all for not believing in him. . .How does that make any sense?. . .There are a lot of verses about loving each other in the bible, but the same messages are also in religious books that predate the bible. . . . .Am talking of acts of love by the God of the bible, I don't see such acts of love when I read the bible, yet Christians say that their God is love. . . .

jayriginal:
I think I would have to disagree with you here. Those laws were not so much "changed" by Jesus as they were "improved". In my opinion, it was simply a realization that the old law brought much hardship and encouraged vengeance and wickedness in mankind (an eye for an eye), whereas Jesus taught forgiveness and compassion. He wanted men to follow the spirit, rather than the letter of the law as was mostly done. I dont think that Jesus was "commanding" his followers.
As an example, the law prescribes a punishment for stealing, but it will not force you to prosecute. So also, if you were smitten on your cheek, while the law permitted you to strike back, it would not sanction you if you turned the other cheek (which Jesus apparently felt was the better option).

You did a good job quoting passages that show that the entire old testament is relevant (inspite of the fact that the church wants to keep the tithing and offering whilst throwing out the rest). Let me continue with that theme.

^^^^ The above verse is often thought to mean that Jesus had radically changed the the commandments, however, he was in reality quoting from the commandments
There are tons of passages, I think I'll stop here.

Another point is that its not just the ten commandments, its all the law and prophets.

Now coming down to the ten commandments, which particular one are we referring to? Consider the following verses from Exodus 32and for added effect, consider the following verses from the same chapterThose were the first commandments (the popular ones) written by the finger of God (before Maradona invented the hand). Next in Exodus 34 God calls Moses and ,
lets jump to Exodus 34 :10-28

Of course someone is bound to come up with some BS explanation for this discrepancy where God cannot remember what he first wrote down. Its only relevant in explaining the inherent confusion in this funny religion and their propensity to select what they like from it and discard the rest while simultaneously labeling others who do not subscribe to their pretensions and misplaced fervor as fools and similarly unflattering titles.

The bible is the writings of many people with a different idea and conception of who God is to them so when you read the bible you see many concept or God, you see a God that is sometimes against some of his laws in some places. . . .

globexl:
Good question.
How many christians do you think actually read the bible? And how many of those that read it do u think actually understand it?
Selective amnesia is a part of human nature.
Since I was a teenager, I have been searching the bible to see any proof of this love of god that is preached so very often. I'm yet to see any act of love in the bible. all I see are hate, anger, tantrums, prejudice, wars, genocides and injustice.

God is love is the common mantra. . . .Yet I don't see any thing close to love when I read the bible, half of it is filled with unnecessary violence all commanded by the same loving good, including violence against babies. . .