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OLAADEGBU:
It is surprising that you have now suddenly become wise after swallowing the red herring viaro threw at you hook, line and stinker.  Egypt was specifically mentioned where you quoted him so my advise to you is to take what he says with a pinch of salt.  I know his argument suits you because it fits your convictions that the Bible and God cannot be trusted since you don't believe in the existence of God, so enjoy your scoffing while it lasts.

No particular kingdom was exactly mentioned when the Mythical Satan was said to have taken Jesus to the mountain top and showed him all the kingdoms of the earth. . . .

You cannot see the evidence as long as you see through those evolution goggles and where did you get the idea of 10 men left on earth? you better go to viaro to update you and that's if he knows any better.  As for your other concerns see my post to wirinet and that's if you can see it.

The problem is that your post NEVER address anything at all. . . .I asked you to tell me how Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe which measures the age of the age as billions of years was wrong and you referred me to some non-sense apologetics from answers in genesis which did not even address any thing at all but only said that the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe agrees with the biblical account without even saying how. . .They did not refute or show why it was wrong at all. . .Ken Ham and his other friend were just speaking without making ANY sense at all. . . .If you want to believe your myths based on faith and ascribe it to the supernatural fine. . .Stop trying to use science to support your unsupportable myths. . . .Science does NOT agree with any of your myths. . .If you pretend that science agrees with your myths then you have to provide scientific evidence to support your mythical claims. . .Lying through your teeth as you and your mentors(Ken Ham and Kent Hovind) have been doing all the time only shows how extremely desperate you guys are to rationalize your myths and fables. . . .

"And all flesh died that moved on the earth: birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, and every man.  All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, all that was on the dry land, died." (Gen.7:21-22).

Noah's Flood was much more destructive than any 40 day rainstorm ever could be.  Scripture says that the "fountains of the great deep" broke open.  In other words, earthquakes, volcanoes, and geysers of molten lava and scalding water were squeezed out of the earth's crust in a violent, explosive upheaval.  These fountains were not stopped until 150 days into the Flood, so the earth was literally churning underneath the waters for about 5 months!  The duration of Flood was extensive, and Noah and his family (not 10 as you are made to believe) were aboard the Ark for over a year.

If you guys will accept this myth based on faith according to what your scriptures tell you then FINE. . .when you leave the realm of faith and start pretending that what we see around or what we have observed through the scientific process agrees with your myths then you guys are asking for trouble. . . . .Where is your scientific  evidence to show that there were Volcanic eruption and earth quakes through out the planet about 4500 years ago? Scientific evidence pls. . . Quoting from your book of myths will not help you here. . .

Relatively recent local floods, volcanoes and earthquakes, though clearly devastating to life and land are tiny in comparison to the worldwide catastrophe that destroyed "the world that then existed" (2 Peter 3:6).  All land animals and people not on board were destroyed in the flood waters and billions of animals were preserved in the great fossil record we see today.

And your scientific evidence to support this mythical claim is?. . . .Why is this mythical explanation not thought in science classes across the world as the evidence for what we see around?

wirinet:
Thanks Mazaje for adding this into the Mix.

So how were Noah and his crew plus the Animals able to survive at over 8,900m above sea level, since there would be insufficient oxygen. You cannot climb to the top of Mount Everest without an oxygen mask.

What's up brother? I am really interested in seeing what scientific system of measurement OLAADEGBU uses which proves that Mount Everest is less than 4500 years old. . . .

[quote author=tinu.tayo link=topic=365527.msg5104359#msg5104359 date=1260720416]yet billions of people around the world practise it.

bro, islam is only for muslims and whoever isnt happy about it should hit his/her head on the wall[/quote]It only shows that the over 1 billion people that practice the religion were gullible enough to subscribe to the LIE. . . By the way over 99 percent of moslems were indoctrinated since childhood when they could not make any decision of their own and they were forced to accept its teachings as the ultimate truth without challenging it at all. . . .

Islam says it is ok to tell a lie as long as it will further the interest of Islam. . . lying to each other in relationships(sweet lies) is also allowed. . .The fact is Islam as a whole is a big LIE. . .

OLAADEGBU:
Yes.  Exactly my point.  These catastrophic plate tectonics explain flood geology.  Even though the Bible does not directly mention this however, if the continents were once joined together, as suggested by Gen. 1:9-10, and are now apart, then the only possibility is the continental division and "sprint" during the Flood.  If you are interested in knowing more then click Here.

There is no where where the bible remotely suggest that the continents were once joined together . . .That is your own assumption. . .When bible talks about the earth, it mostly refers to the earth as the land known to the writers of the bible as can be seen in Exodus 10:15 where the Bible clearly reports that the locust  that plagued Egypt covered "the whole earth". When the satan allegedly took Jesus to the top of the mountains it was written that he showed him all the kingdoms of the earth and promised to give it to him if he would bow down and worship him. So its clear that they writers of the bible refer to the land, they know when referring not to the entire continents as you will like to have us believe. By the way where is your scientific evidence that proves that the continents were together as a single body 4500 years ago If we are to go by your assumptions? I am not interested in going through your propaganda site called answers in genesis. . . .

You ask for evidence?  "For this they willingly forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water" (2 Peter 3:5-6)

And  this is the evidence for the flood? Please. There's not enough water to cover all the Earth, for one.  . . . Two there is no genetic "bottleneck" evincing less than ten individual humans 4,500 years ago. . . . Three it would be physically impossible to fit all the species of life on Earth into a wooden boat with one window and have any of them survive. . . . . Also, if you add in the fact that there is no way the Earth would even be habitable right now if all known volcanic activity occurred in the past 6,000 years, well . . .If a global flood happened and covered the highest land mass on Earth, the flood waters would have pushed all of our breathable atmosphere into space without a scientific possiblity for recovery. There's no evidence of any catastrophic, massive loss (and equally massive gain) of oxygen, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, etc. within the pass 100,000 years.

And only having 10 people left on Earth, with two of each "kind" of animal, it would be impossible to repopulate. You can't repopulate millions of cows over 6,000 years with only two cows. You can't repopulate anything with only two cows.  

Evidence of Noah's Flood can be seen all over the earth today.  Look at the seabeds to the top of the mountains, the physical features of the earth's terrain clearly indicate a catastrophic past, from canyons and craters to coal beds and caverns.  Some layers of strata extend across continents, revealing the effects of a huge catastrophe.

I can't believe that you are saying this. . .So canyons and coal beds are evidence for a global flood eh? . I laugh in Yoruba. When will you guys stop your ridiculous propaganda?

Pls tell me how did this incised meander form in less than 4500 years?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/GooseNeckStateParkPanorama.jpg/800px-GooseNeckStateParkPanorama.jpg

Goosenecks State Park

The earth's crust has massive amounts of layered sedimentary rock, sometimes miles deep!  These layers of sand, soil and material that are mostly laid down by water, were once soft like mud, but they are now hard stone.  Encased in these sedimentary layers are billions of dead things (fossils of plants and animals) buried very quickly.  The evidence all over the earth is staring at everyone in the face and you can see them if you replace your evolutionary spectacles for the Christian worldview.

Are you kidding me? There is absolutely NO evidence at all for a global flood . . .

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ee/Exhumedchannel.jpg/800px-Exhumedchannel.jpg

An exhumed river channel is a ridge of sandstone that remains when the softer flood plain mudstone is eroded away. The process begins with the deposition of sand within a river channel (typically a meandering river) and mud on the adjacent floodplain. Eventually the channel is abandoned and over time becomes buried by flood deposits from other channels. Because the sand is porous (grain-to-grain contact leaves spaces between), groundwater flows more easily through the sand than through the mud of the floodplain deposits.

Minerals (typically calcium carbonate) can cement the grains together converting the loose sand into sandstone. Meanwhile, pressure from overlying sediments compresses the floodplain mud converting it to mudstone. Millions of years later, erosion can remove the softer, less cemented mudstone and leave the more resistant sandstone as a linear ridge. Thus, the local landscape where these occur is an inverted topography: what was previously low is now high, and vice versa. Exhumed channels are important indicators for ancient stream flow direction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhumed_river_channel

So what we see is basically a fossilized river.

I'd love to hear your explanation as to how this formed in the Flood, or in less than 4500 years. Or maybe your new best buddy kolaxy can help you. . . . .

OLAADEGBU:
The mountains you see today were formed only towards the end of and after, the Flood, if not can you explain to me the fossil-bearing, water deposited layers that forms the uppermost parts of Mt. Everest?

Do you know anything about plate tectonics at all? Why are you asking these kind of dumb questions? Mountain ranges are formed by uplifting tectonic plates moving underneath other plates. Some mountain tops were once at the bottom of the sea.

BTW, there is absolutely no geologic evidence for a global flood, so you can strike that one off your list.

Go here to learn about plate tectonics and subduction zones.

http://www.platetectonics.com/book/page_

"Mountains form due to plate tectonics. They are literally the result of the earth being pushed upwards and together, like creases in the earth's surface. Take a piece of cloth, grab either side of it lengthwise and start pushing them together -- now imagine that same process happening in the earth's plates. Fossils that were buried on the ocean floor were shifted along with the rock, and locked in place when the mud from the floor of the ocean condensed into rock.

Once again, this is not proof of a global flood. Fossils couldn't find their way into solid rock unless they've been there for millions of years, not several thousand. The fossils were already present before Everest came to its full size and position. There is absolutely no way that they could have have been embedded in the rock after it formed, even if there had been a global flood."

Deep Sight:
Point well taken. But i insist that you are still being limited in presuming that nothing at all could cause such a deluge.

Can you state with certainty that you posess ALL knowledge about ALL possible configurations of the earth's systems.

Have you considered what massive siesmic shifts could do to the sea level worldwide?

Are you not aware that exactly such massive seismic shifts are supposedly the cause of the disappearance of the fabled land of Atlantis?

Sienmic shifts. Can you say with certainty that massive movements of the land under the sea are not able to change global sea levels?

You know i dont give any hoot about any flood, i am just appalled that people can be so presumptuous as to think that they know all the possible configurations of anything that could happen on earth.

You are being exactly presumptuous.

Do you have any scientific evidence that supports a global flood? What exactly are you saying?

@ viaro

Your debate with Ken Ham will be scheduled for Next week. . . be prepared. . . . . Even though I disagree with your theistic views but my hat is off for you. . . .Much respect. . . .

And the award for propaganda, consipracy theory and mis-information goes to?. . . . . .OLAADEGBU

Nice thread. . . . The problem with the black man is that he is. . . hmmmmm. . .I just don't really know what to say. . .Our problems are just too much. . .Our biggest problem is not corruption or lack of rule of law. . .Our biggest problem is lack of vision and our collective[i] sit down and look[/i] mentality. .These things are killing us more than anything. . . .

Horus:
When Indian people come to England or any European country, they build and open Temples or shrines. When Chinese people come to England or any European country they build and open Temples or shrines; But when African people come to England or any European they build Churches and worship the images of their former slave masters. The Indians and Chinese have unity amongst themselves , they also have a good economy , Chinese is going to be the next super power ,forget America. These countries India and China have also gone nuclear , they worship their own images (their ancestors) who work for them. The Europeans have religion, however, it does not stop them from working together. They have european union (which is the european community = common unity). But black africans are still fighting and arguing over a religion that does not belong to them. Many Nigerians for example will not work with you if you have a different religion. It was many years ago that Bob Marley sang emancipate ourselves from mental slavery , yet our people are still mentally enslaved. We are the only species on earth that will side another species against their own. You will not see a Chinese person side with a Hindu against another Chinese, neither will you see an Hindu side with a Chinese against another Hindu. You will not see a Cat side with a dog against another cat, neither will you see a dog side with a cat against another dog. You will not see a rat side with a cat against another rat, neither will you see a cat side with a rat against another cat. We black are the only species on the planet that will side with another species, be it Asian, Caucasian or Arab against their own. When will we realize we have been tricked with these monothetic religions of Judaism, Islam and Christianity?

This post is indeed very true. . . . .

bawomolo:
i never knew atheism meant living without hope.

aww man live in the west is so hopeless that we are flocking to it and lining up at western embassies begging for Visa.

Look at all the hope in Christ embassy and RCCG that have made Nigeria the power it is today.

. . . .I bet you that if Nigerians were to trade places most will leave behind their families and come to the "godless" Europe. . .

OLAADEGBU:
Pigs are not birds.  Birds are born to sing.  Don't tell me that you believed those fables that say pigs can fly.

Where in the nativity story was it written that the Magi visited jesus when he was 2 years old?

No2Atheism:
- I was asked to show how Adam and Eve had free will . . . I showed it to you . . . then you say it makes no sense.

What did you show me?

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If something like that does not make sense to you, even though its very clear to see . . .as i have painstakingly taken time out to highlight where they excercised free-will and how the Creator Himself . . .waited for Adam to use his free will to name the animals. Then I am sorry I do not have time to waste to discuss further with you, cus it shows you only choose to see what you want to see and it also shows you are willing to say anything just to make your point even if your point is pointless.

What has the myth of adam namimg all the animals got to do with the free will concept? Free will also invloves making right or wrong decisions no? How can the mythical Adam and Eve have free will to do thing without them knowing the difference between what is right and what is wrong? How can they make the right choice using this elusive free will argument? And by the way what name did Adam give to these animals. .

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https://www.mongabay.com/images/external/2006/echidna_new_guinea.jpg

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/photogalleries/giantrat-pictures/images/primary/2_461.jpg

- You have already said somewhere on nairaland that "you do not know", yet here you are saying that something that is clear is senseless despite that you already said you do not know .

I think you are only trying to pat yourself on the back here because you are tottaly mischracterizing what I said. . .

- Since you claim not to know, then it means your atheism stand is based on faith [/b]and not on fact. . . cus it can only be fact [b]if you know.

My atheism is based on the FACT that all the gods of man made religion were created by men. . . .

[size=15pt]Have a good day, I have better things to do with my time both on nairaland and off it.
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Have a good day trying to trying to prove to the member of NL that jesus is was a blak man. . .

@ OP

Did you visist the two different alleged tombs of jesus?

OLAADEGBU:
Are you sure you really want to hear a pig sing?

If birds can sing why can't pigs? Take a pig to a music school teach it how to sing, who knowns it just might learn, but don't expect a pig to learn anything about music by taking it to a mechanic work shop. . . .

Kay 17:
as usual the Devil is responsible for the evils. i agree with jagunlabi, they should be prosecuted!

Spirit of theft they call it. . . . .

No2Atheism:
This is really ridiculous . . .to be frank.

How exactly does this have to do with choice . . . and free will.

I hope you know their is a difference between "Days" and "Free will" . . .

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One word for all the mis-information . . .

Book of Genesis


Man was created with the ability to make a choice in the Book of Genesis.

Chapter 1

26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.





Chapter 2

15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
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19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
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23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.





Chapter 3

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
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6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.


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Your post is truly laughable. . . . according to the story Adam & Eve did not even know right from wrong until they ate the magic fruit. According to the story the bible god allowed a tempter who happened to be his worst enemy to influence them before they were magically imbued with the knowledge of right vs. wrong. So how does that story make any sense to you? The bible god decided to punish adam and eve without them even knowing the difference between right and wrong. . .This remains one of the most useless stories in the bible. . . . .

Lets assume for the sake of this disccusion that the myth was a true story. . . Would any of us have made the same mistake as Adam? If your answer is yes, then this means that the god of the bible made a flawed product when creating humans; if your answer is no, then why should people be subject to Adam's punishment?

Why should people even accept the Adam and Eve story as literal history especially since it is an obvious copy from other ancient near eastern creation myths that predate it. Plus the story is filled with nonsense which defies common sense. . . . . .Your free will concept with regards to the Adam and Eve story makes no sense at all. . .

I like this Idea and concept of hell, It really is the basis of morality for the christians and moslems. It keeps them in line. Its funny that these same people talk about morality since they believe they are moral only because they believe they are trying to escape some imaginary damnation not beause they actually believe that morality it self is good. . . .deluded people. . .

jagunlabi:
The theme of discussion is already very provocative,fella.

Even though I do not subscribe to the term called sin, I believe that the Poster clearly does not know what he is talking about. . . . .

OLAADEGBU:
Even if you take a pig to the best music school you will still end up wasting your time and annoying the pig. It is not in the pig's best interest to sing.

Try taking the pig to a music school and see if it will not learn how to sing. . .you took a pig to a mechanic work shop to learn music and yet you are complaining? I laugh in greek. . .

Onilude:
Allof you are talking too much. Joblessness in Nigerian labour market is causing this kinds of things. Who did not know before before that nothing can goes for nothing so how will anything come out of nothing

Bros e be like say you miss road ohh. . . . . . .Try dey watch where u dey go. . . .

^^ Sorry man. . . .I was just kidding. . .I apologize for that. . . . .

Yisraylite:
@ Mazaje

You must be quite daft,the spanking I gave you in 2008 must have worn off or you may be suffering from selective amnesia. If your trying some comedy relief, you better pick sohtmeone else b4 you force me to pull my belt of correction with your backside as the recipient 

. . . . . .Yisraylite my main man chill abeg no be fight. . . . .

OLAADEGBU:
God doesn't believe in atheists either. For you to be an atheist you will have 100% knowledge of the past, present and the future of all things. An atheists says with certainty that there is no God, we all know that they are only saying this because you detest Him, we know that most of you are member of secret societies because of your hatred for God.

viaro:
_{Pst: by the way, when is viaro facing Ken Ham? I told you before: delay is dangerous, and so it appears at the moment.}

The debate will be arranged soon. . .Ken Ham has a busy a very schedule, I know very well that delay is dangerous. . . .

OLAADEGBU:
@mazaje,

I know you atheists all have a common goal and that is to attack God but listen to what you are really doing:

"When a man calls himself an atheist, he is not attacking God, he is attacking his own conscience." -- Michael Pearl

According to the myth god is supposed to be all powerful being. . .so how can an atheist attack god if you truly believe that such a being exist?. . . . .Do you guys really think through some the things you write before posting them?

OLAADEGBU:
Why should I be interested in teaching you the greatest story ever told? I have learnt that I should never attempt to teach a pig to sing because apart from wasting my time it will annoy the pig.

If you want to teach a pig how to sing take it to a music school not a mechanic work shop. . . .

OLAADEGBU:
I should have taken to the advise of John Paul Getty who said "Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig."  No be me talk am o. 

Even if you are trying to teach a pig how to sing you will take him to a music school not a mechanic work shop because he won't learn any music in a mechanic work shop. . . .

You and your bedfellows should remember not to discourage the other person's plans unless you have better ones.

Not if their plans are pure propaganda. . . .

OLAADEGBU:
Don't mind him.  It was Robert Frost that diagnosed his condition when he said:

"Half the world is composed of people who have something to say and can't, and the other half is composed of those who have nothing to say and keep on saying it."

I think you have perfectly described yourself and your irrational belief that the earth and the universe are 6000 years old. . . . .You keep on saying it over and over again when the truth is that you really have nothing to say. . . .

OLAADEGBU:
Since you don't believe in the existence of God why are you interested in knowing how old Jesus was when the wise men paid Him a visit?

I am interested because I find it amusing that so many people do not even know that the nativity stories found in the book of matthew and luke cancel each other out completely. . .

@ mavenbox

Did you see where OLAADEGBU stated that believing that the universe or the earth is 6000 years old sets a proper foundation for beliving in Jesus, He has very strong convictions and truly believes that. If you ask him he will tell you that the holy spirit of god told him that through the bible so again why the disagreement?. . . .To the YEC its not just about discussing the age of the earth as you are trying to say, To the YEC believing that the earth is 6000 years old is also the foundation on which his christian belief lies, it is also part of the basis for his belief in Jesus as properly displayed here by OLAADEGBU. . . .Back in the days I used to visit the YEC websites and that is how most of them feel. . . . . YECism is much more than a discussion about the age of the earth to them. . . .

Deep Sight:
I am sure you are conversant with the saying that perception is cognitive reality.

Thus when you see a UFO today, it is your reality that it is an unidentified flying object.

You are right in that perception.

If a child sees it, it may appear to him simply as an aeroplane.

The child is also right in that perception.

If the prophet Elijah saw one, it is very real for him, and his reality, that it is a spinning ball of fire.

Have you stopped to ponder the fact that the prophet is actually perfectly right in his perception and description - because -

  1. It is spinning

  2. It is round, and thus ball-shaped and

  3. It emmits fire/ exhaust/ light etc.

Thus you have absolutely no way of saying that it was not a spinning ball of fire, because that is effectively and actually what it was!

I am certain that with this, you will be more circumspect in hastily presuming that the ancient writer is lying ignorantly.

In this recall the analogy of 10 blind men groping an elephat and each describing it differently. We are only blind men, you see, and our descriptions will all be imperfect, but partly true.

The writers of the bible say that stars will fall into the earth when the earth will come to an end, They also said as toneyb ponited out that stars fought alone side them in battles, I am letting their writings speak for themselves. . . . .No need adding conjectures and maybe's to rationalize something that I know is not true. . . Elijah saw a flying UFO and assumes it is a flying ball of fire when it is not on what basis should people believe that he truly knows what he is talking about?

Some people once thought that the rainbow was the neckless that their goddess wears around here neck which she displays when ever she is happy? On what basis should people believe this story and assume the writer that wrote such thoughts down knows what he or she is talking about?

Very funny thread. . . ,