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duduspace:
Don't mind that guy jooo, trying to bring 2 parallel lines in alignment. Religion and science don't mix in any way or form, you either choose one or the other.

I know there are christians who are scientists but the sincere ones among them have their serious doubts and are either quiet about it or see it as filling a psychological need for some people and also helping in character development for kids and immatured adults(just like aesop fables or the stories of the tortoise in yoruba folklore).

Hypocrites like our dear friend ended up creating scientology as a religion only leading to even more confusion.

One thing the discussion did though was to expose his true nature, in trying to prove a point at all costs he descended to the same depths he was accusing others of. That guy is not even a true christian I'm sure, he must be one of those deceiver types.

deceivers like pastor chris of christ embassy or pastor adeboye. perhaps they are related.

busybein:
ahhhh oga mazaje is on d romance section today,wait make i go bring wine for u welcome u wella

JT means JOHN thomas a.k.a d!ck

am always here. . . .this girl, you bad, but i love them nasty and bad. . . mazaje is a very bad boy who knows how to do very bad things.

busybein:
mba,naaaa mazaje can't beat me to this game,naaa not when i make d male specie whine like women,naaaaa infact u fit forget ur "kini" for my place run go

haba baby mazaje is the boss, do you know what mazaje means in hausa? go and ask around, its only real men that bear that name. men that are excellent in the business of giving pleasure. mazaje, has got some magic fingers, tongue and stick. don't even try to mess with mazaje, you will die from pleasure you have never experienced before.

nigerians r more spiritual i guess,when it comes to the word spirituality no country beats naija to it

nigerians are more spiritual or more gullible? do you believe that pastor adeboye drove his car for over 300km on an empty tank?

busybein:
buahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahhahaahahhahahahhah i don dieeeeeeee,how is d guy's JT breathing?


someone please get the JT oxygen,or call d ambulance

busybein what is the meaning of JT? you this naughty girl.

busybein:
you want to bet? busybein is far gone in d business of maximum satisfaction,i need a medal sef

really, mazaje is a king when it comes to that, maximum pleasure guaranteed with extra stuffs to go with it as well.

i attend one of them pentecostal churches in europe,take ur friends to naija,I'm sure they will get enoff healing there

i wonder why pastors of european churches no dey claim to hell people when it comes to cancer, HIV/AIDS, broken bone, deafness, blindness or raising people from the dead. why be say na only nigerian pators dey do such things?

busybein:
bedroom?i no dey do bedroom again,i better do kitchen sink,bath tub,whilst standing on d wall,eating table,inside d car or floor   after d whole ride,summer will begin inside ur body busybein is no mouth maker but an aggressor

wow! ohhh nice. . . .am an aggressor too who loves doing it everywhere remember i have lots of pleasurable tricks you have never experienced any where before. by the way busybein which church do you attend? i want to take my friends to visit that altar. abi how you see am, lol

busybein:
me run from u? na u go run naaa,by d time i ride on u

haba baby make we no spoil and expose our selves for here now. na for room we suppose dey talk all this talk abi how you see am. i for no mind make you ride on me now ohh, cold dey here no be small.

busybein my lovely wife you don run?

busybein:
if they had called upon the name of God with faith in their hearts,they would have been saved

you don start again with this convoluted excuses of yours abi? who told you that they called upon the name of the lord without faith in their hearts? remember you still have not told me the name of the church where my friends can go and pray on their altar and get healed of their HIV/AIDs.

busybein:
God uses people to save people

what about other people that were in this condition and called on the name of the biblegod but still died? did their deaths happen so that the name of the god could be glorified?

busybein:
did the baby die?nope


all this is for the name of the God to be glorified

glorified how? was it the biblegod that performed the surgery or men? without men performing the surgery the baby and mother would both have died.

JJYOU:
restless sinners. i watched on the BBc some years ago how the great communists were holding meetings upon meetings in communist russia  to wipe off christianity from their land in 10yrs.  guess who got wiped off - the communists.

the church of Jesus Christ is always expanding and increasing. all that rises against it will always fall for it sake.  that is the written judgement and it is still in force this day even against people like you.

God would bring all people like you on your knees this year and it is going to be swift.  whatever is making you this bold will give way so suddenly that you will remember there is a God that created the heavens and the earth.

your arrogance is getting obscene.

have you finished causing trouble on the sex and sexuality forum? the church of christ is always expanding and incearsing where? in africa where the people are poor, ignorant, illiterate and close minded? the europeans that invented the religion do not even believe in it any more go figure. by the way the movement of allah and his prophet (islam) is growing at a faster rate than your christainity.

bindex:
Mazaje yane? since christains believe that the bible God creates people, I wonder what the innocent baby did to him that he decided to wrap the baby's umbilical cord around the baby's neck so that the baby was not receiving oxygen or arranging the deprived baby in a breech position. Any way since the bible God is on record for trying to kill his best friend moses for no good reason I believe wrapping a baby's umbilical cord around the baby's neck and depriving the baby of oxygen will not be a difficult thing for him to do.

christains believe that their imaginary biblegod is the most merciful personality ever.even after trying to kill his friend moses because of circumcision they still find it odd that we ridicule such a personality that commanded or slaughtered millions and millions of people, including children and infants? in some cases because they did simple things as carrying sticks on a sabbath, burned incense near his place of worship or for simply worshipping other gods, despite the fact that they believed he gave the people freewill to do so. there is simply no good in the biblegod, even after his magical new testament transformation. should a serial killer be forgiven for all his crimes because he changes his mind afterward? no. imagine christans calling allah a god of war and murder when their own god is no better. its completely ridiculous.

duduspace:
@Huxley


She doesn't claim to be a "Mrs Know All"like our resident hypocrite though and most of her arguments are usually the emotional tirade types and she flares up when it seems you belittle something she has beleived in all her life or if you imply in any way that she is not smart(even when yu have alot of reasons to beleive so).

Still working on a strategy on how to make her realise what hogwash this whole religion thing is, I mean when yu do get the courage to really question the whole concept it becomes so simple and you wonder why you didn't face up to it all along, kind of like the story about the King who had no clothes on, all it took was a sincere youngster to point out the obvious.

where is that discredited hypocrite? . your points are very true duduspace.

@ Image123

as i aforementioned i am just here to show you how ridiculous your beliefs are. i pointed out that christains laugh and ridicule moslems when they tell them that the prophet mohammed divided the moon into two halves for the entire world to see. but you have the stories of jonah surving inside a fish for three days, talking donkeys, jesus walking on water, turning water into wine, healing the blind and deaf etc.we have stories about the biblegod sending earth quakes to destroy people or the enemies of his people, engaging in wars, telling people how to kill or enslave each other yet, accepting human scarifice etc you guys go around insulting and ridiculing allah the god of the moslems when your own god is no different from theirs. after your replies i have come to the conclusion that .many atheists look at the bible and ask "what does this book tell us?"
many believers look at the bible and say "how can i make this fit what i already believe?" the answer is of course apologetics and cherry-picking.

duduspace:
@Bindex

You beat me to it, I am as well interested in narratives of the undeniable miracles.

@Image123 please we are waiting.

I am hoping that you have witnessed any or all of the followin:
1. Going200Km + on an empty tank
2. Changing the weather during winter in a temperate region
3. Expanding a bridge or turned your vehicle into James Bond mode when confronted with an impending accident.
4. Woken up a dead man
5. Changing of someone's height
e.t.c

do you know that there are christain that actually believe that pastor adeboye actually performed all those"miracles"  i notice that europeans do not perform miracles the way nigerian pastors perform miracles in fact the christains living here do not believe in miracles as such because the media people will follow you till you can prove beyond reasonable doubt in front of cameras that your miracle is real hence people do not try such fraud and lies here because they know that they will be exposed. any pastor that claims to heal any body from HIV/AIDS, cancer or broken bones by prayers alone will surely be exposed that's why you never hear of any of such miracle claims here in europe only in nigeria where the people are blind deluded and confused. i asked my christain friend why we don't see miracles in our time here in europe, why miracles don't happen anymore, he told me, the reason we don't see miracles is because we have the bible he said the primitive people back in miracle times didn't have the bible, so they needed miracles and magic to believe. i almost laugh out loud,  he doesnt know that there are millions in africa that believe in miracles. american pastors like benny hinn etc have been forced to apologize for all their staged miracles so their own miracle claims have reduced too they don't go around claiming to have raised people from the dead as they used to do before. we have liars like pastor chris healing a girl of about 10 that was born deaf but the girl was able to hear and say daddy when asked to say the word. they did'nt use sign language to communicate to her, pastor chris just told her using words of mouth to say daddy and she said daddy. people were delirious jumping, shouting and praising the "lord". how is it possible for a girl that has never been able to hear or speak for about 10 years be able to know and pronounce words? how did she even know what they were saying to her? this is blatant fraud but we have intelligent people believing all this nonsense? naija no be small thing i wonder when people will open their eyes and see things for what they really are.

JJYOU:
give it up for united and peaceful atheists. una no get work

JJYOU:
will be back here

will be back when you are done causing trouble on the sexual and sexuality forum abi?

JJYOU:
na so u go let people matter give u heart attack. God hater. go sit down jare

Chrisbenogor:
Religion just another line to divide people.

you have said it all. what a shame.

Image123:
If you've read the Bible and if you're not a forgetful reader,you'll see that it says all humans are sinners/debtors by default because they all originate from Adam.i guess if you don't believe in something, then you don't bother yourself about it.but your troubles about the bible logically proves that you believe in it.I'm sure you wouldn't waste life and time talking about 'snow white and the seven dwarfs'.because you don't believe it happened and can easily dismiss it as unimportant to UBut your zeal for religion shows that you actually regard it.

this is the lie you god defenders tell yourselves and use to console yourselves. i don't talk about snow white and the seven dwafs because, people do not believe in snow white as the creator of heaven and earth, i do not talk about snow white because nigerians do not depend on snow white to help save them from their man made situations. i do not talk about snow white because no body has ever claimed that snow white has healed or helped them survive any illness or death while so many people attribute so many things that can be explained naturally to their god. christains are fond of looking down and calling people that do not believe in their god fools, all i do here is point to them how ridiculous and foolish their own beliefs actually are.

for example lets just look at a few verses in the bible so that you might get what i am saying. in genesis god makes two lights: "the greater light [the sun] to rule the day, and the lesser light [the moon] to rule the night." but the moon is not a light, but only reflects light from the sun. And why, if God made the moon to "rule the night", does it spend half of its time moving through the daytime sky?

gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. all animals were originally herbivores. tapeworms, vampire bats, mosquitoes,tigers and lions -- all were strict vegetarians, as they were created by god. isn't this absurd?

god is rightly filled with remorse for having killed his creatures. he even puts the rainbow in the cloud to remind himself of his promise to the animals not to do it again. but science has showed that rainbows are caused by the nature of light, the refractive index of water, and the shape of raindrops or water. which also occur in oceans and other places where there is water. besides rainbows have existed even before the time of noah.

god worries that people could build a tower high enough to reach him (them?) in heaven, and that by so doing they will become omnipotent.according to the tower of babel story, the many human languages were created instantaneously by god. but actually the various languages evolved gradually over long periods of time.

jacob displays his knowledge of biology by having cattle copulate while looking at streaked rods. the result is streaked baby cattle. 30:37-39 isn't this ridiculous? and later an angel praises jacob for his fancy genetic work. where has this ever been done and how is that possible? why is there no record of this ever happening any where else? in fact how is this possible?

accorging to the bible it took the israelites 40 years to travel from egypt to canaan, yet such a journey, even at that time, would have taken at most a month. because the places are quite close.

this are just a few of the ridiculous biblical assertions that i try to point out here, when moslems say that mohammed divided the moon into 2 halves christains laugh and ridicule the moslems, why? because they know that it never happened just the way that the noah's flood or tower of bable never happened.

christains are quick to point out that their god is a very merciful, kind and compassionate yet the bible says that he helped in the killing of about five hundered thousand men in chronicles. in the largest single god-assisted massacre in the bible, asa, with god's help, kills one million ethiopians. why is it that it is only in ancient jewish, arabic and other ancient text that god or the gods helps in fighting and killing the enemies of his people? why does'nt he do it now? is it because people now know that all this are fairy tales? the old testament is filled with the biblegod killing and destroying people, advocating slavery and giving outlandish commandments like telling moses to kill some one because he was picking sticks on a sabbath. what happened to forgiveness?

i just find it ridiculous that people that believe in these ridiculous and unfactual assertions (of which there are so many more in the bible) look down and call others fools for not believing in them. all i do here is point out the the christain belief is no different than that of the moslems, hindus, jews, buddhist, taoist or other african traditional religions. any way you guys have the excuse of shouting miracle anytime you are confronted with such unfactual biblical assertions.

busybein:
God is a miracle working God

what kind of miracle? wrapping a baby's umbilical cord around the baby's neck so that the baby was not receiving oxygen or arranging the oxygen-deprived baby in a breech position,?

On Xmas Day, "pastor" Rick Warren, the currently-celebrated evangelist who is on every TV screen and front page as the hand-picked preacher to deliver the invocation of divine magic at the Obama inauguration ceremony, gave an effusive, rambling account on the NBC Today Show that demonstrated his incredible naivety about rational thinking and how disconnected his brand of religion - at least - is from reality. He was gushing over a miracle that he said had "blessed" his family.

The facts: Warren said that his daughter-in-law Jaime gave birth to her first child six weeks prematurely, though he can't seem to remember whether it was five, six, or seven weeks, since he gave all three figures, The hospital, he said, performed a C-section to save the baby's life - and the mother's. In that procedure, Warren said, they discovered that it was a "breech baby," that the umbilical cord was wrapped around the baby's neck and it was not receiving oxygen.
If Jaime had tried to give birth in the normal way, at the normal time, and if she'd "pushed" during the delivery, it might have killed both her and the child. What they didn't know at the time, but then discovered, was that the mother had what Warren described as a "three-inch" brain tumor - which may be hyperbolic, since I think that such a growth might be visually evident.

But consider: the baby was in a breech situation, a critical position arranged by God; this was remedied by medical science during the Caesarian procedure, an invention by Man to thwart natural disasters brought about by a not-uncommon imperfection of the human body - which is also God's design. And the baby's umbilical cord had shut off oxygen-rich blood, another design error, or maybe a purposeful Act of God. The mother had a sizeable brain tumor, placed there by God, who we're told creates all these things.

And the Divine solution to this problem, according to Rick Warren? God - who, remember, is the Creator of Heaven and Earth, Omnipotent and Omniscient, knows all, the One who can do anything He wishes - arranged the oxygen-deprived baby in a breech position, bringing about a crisis that medical science had to avert by performing an operation. And He thereafter allowed medical science to detect the tumor, which is still in place, being poorly placed for access by surgery. Who designed this scenario - Rube Goldberg, ?

I ask, is this God character a comedian, using humans as His marionettes for amusement? Does He get His kicks by manipulating us just for laughs? Was this near-disaster for the Warren family just a sort of Divine whim? How can Rick Warren see this as a demonstration of God's mercy - a miracle, yet! - rather than as a cruel, capricious, joke? A caring God would not have created and placed that brain tumor in the mother, would not have designed the process of gestation-and-birth so that oxygen starvation and breech delivery are possible, and would not be playing with the lives and security of humans, who He claims to have designed and created - out of dirt, yet. Doing this, putting humans in danger of death, is a purposeful act that He Himself has already declared to be a sin. Just who makes the rules in this stupid morality play, ?

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/363-i-dont-get-the-joke-my-year-end-tirade.html

JJYOU:
RESTLESS SINNERS STILL AT WORK IN 2009. LORD HAVE MERCY.
THIS IS THE YEAR OF SWEAT AND HEAT UPON SINNERS LIKE YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN OR IMAGINED. THINGS YOU ENJOYED BEFORE ARE GOING TO HURTT YOU SO BAD YOU WONT KNOW WHAT DAY YOU ARE IN. SIN IS NOT GOING TO PLEASURABLE THIS YEAR.
IT IS TIME TO SEEK GOD FOR HIS SALVATION PEOPLE.

STOP DECEIVING YOURSELF. GIVE YOUR LIFE TO JESUS

now you are back to cursing and hyperventilation . this is the year of sweat and sin , what about the previous years, where was your god? was he sleeping or what? please wake him and and tell him to come and wipe away all the sinners from the surface of the earth. stop decieving your self give your life to allah the greatest and most merciful.

Image123:
@bindex and mazaje
if I recall correctly,you said you were once churchgoers.If only you had paid more attention during sermon or attended a better church,you would have being told that all the world i.e every human is already in debt by default.

debt by default for doing what? no human asked for any loan from any god or gods that's if we are to go by the biblical narrative.

Big debt of condemnation.that one is now making profit by doing good/morally sound things doesn't change the fact of the debt on ground.[/b]what the bible says is that all your good works and positives/profits cannot pay for your debts.Only Jesus Christ can and he has paid the price already.what is left is for you to accept his payment.[b]that is freewill.One could remain so proud and choose to remain in debt by refusing to accept Jesus' offer.one could be even adamant and claim he owes no debt and will not accept any help.well,the sorry truth is that such individual will have to pay for his debt by himself and that is by everlasting death.but Jesus has died/paid the price for us.Believing this is what we call belief/faith.that's why we call ourselves believers.Jesus said in the bible that anybody that doesn't believe is condemned already.condemned to judgement,condemned to die eternally.There's hope for any body who chooses to believe today.that is the christian message

i thought jesus has already paid the price and debt, was that not the point bindex was trying to make. the point am trying to make here is to show how ridiculous the christain narrative is.

here is what i read on another thread with regards to the free will hogwash and the entire christains message.

Before the Earth was created, there were smart and powerful angels with free will living with God. They knew about good and evil because God created them. They live around God and have a pretty good idea of how the Man operates, what He likes and doesn't like. Now, we are told that one of the angels went bad on God, Lucifer, and disobeyed God. God did not like this, so this angel was banished (not destroyed), but simply banished to Hell. Not only that, but a lot of the other angels chose to go also. Lesson #1 is even if beings live with God and already know about good and evil, and clearly know that they will will get in trouble God if they choose badly, they make bad choices. So God files this away for reference.

Now, after this turmoil, at some time later we have God creating His little experiment on Earth. He creates the Earth, and puts two very naive humans on it. They are not very experienced beings. He gives them free will, just like the angels have. But, they do not know anything about good or evil. Which brings up another point, if you know nothing about evil, are you not by default good, even if you don't know "good"? How do you act/react in the world if you neither know "good" or "evil". It would seem that you could do no harm, thus by default be "good". Continuing, He says don't eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. But to make it even harder, they get tempted by a serpent, so, surprise, they fail the experiment.

Now what do we have here? God already tried a freewill experiment with angels and what did He learn from that? He learned that, given freewill, an entity may choose any path at all, good or evil (we will forget about the fact that God, being omniscient, already knows what's going to happen in all these cases anyway). The angels certainly knew about the choices they had, and one of them exercised a choice, but not the way God would have liked. So God knows now that powerful, smart entities make bad decisions (from God's point of view anyway). These angels really had no excuse.

Now here's the weird part. Next thing you know God is trying the same experiment again, but with what? Two brand new models that are in no way comparable to powerful and smart angels that He knows ALREADY don't use free will the way He wishes they would. Adam & Eve, two vastly inferior models, two vastly poorer decision makers than angels. Anyone can see what is going to be the result of this grand plan - total failure which was totally predictable.

It seems obvious then, God cannot learn from his past creation attempts. It is a simple extrapolation for even a mere mortal mind to see, given that powerful and smart angels that live with God cannot make evil/good free will choices wisely, there is no chance at all the prototype human models are going to do it. There is simply no need to do this. God should have just created them with the knowledge of good and evil in the first place if He insists on going through with the plan, thus avoiding the initial and useless drama involving serpents, apples, trees of knowledge, etc. Create them with knowledge of good and evil and allow the choice to be made by them with wisdom, fair and square. But lest we all forget, God is Omniscient and entirely knew all of this anyway, which makes it all the more confounding.

olabowale:
@Bindex: I feel for you man. You let yourself go away from Islam, because your mother went back to Christianity? Shouldn't you have been the one helping her to know that 3 gods concept truly say that no single one of them is a complete god!

It simply shows that that type of belief system is a farce. If you an hausa and read Qur'aan in Arabic, didn't you see that Allah says that from the collage and tapestry of His creations, you will definitely see the Proofs of His existence, if you reflect? Obviously, you did not reflect.

Unfortunately, you have Muslims by name only. Thats what you saw demostrated by those people who killed your friends. Those thugs should have known that life is to be cherished.

And people should be killed not because they are different from you, but if they were trying to kill you and also spreading evil in the land.

Peopl should be fought if they are preventing you from worshipping Allah. And such a person may die in the process, since his intention is to keep you from worshipping your LOrd God Allah the Almighty.

When I hear about these africans' epiphany away from belief in God because they meet Eurpopeans, etc, I often wonder if they did not have such a disbelief in their hearts, right from the jump start while in Africa?

I pray that my belief in One True God Allah the Almighty will die with me. Amin. So Bindex, all the Qur'aan must have disappeared from your tongue, uh? Subhanallah!

olabowole

Image123:
@mazaje
I thought you were an atheist,so you just a God hater.why are your judgements beclouded beyond reason.is the arguement above reasonable or you just want to display how much you're against God.everything against God seems to make perfect sense to Uhow is it that someone comes to help an individualA out of his debt,and then the logical show of gratitude in your eyes is that such individualA should get into heaviest of debts since someone has helped him pay his first debt.how reasonable can you get?

what debt are you talking about here? the christain narrative has just gotten more absurd.

wow! i never looked at the argument in that way before. i always thought that if jesus supposedly died for the sins of all mankind, then they wouldn't be called sins because jesus erased sin when he died the bible even went ahead and said all sins were nailed to the cross. pastor chris of christ embassy has started teaching in that direction these days. bindex, why do you keep posting threads like this? kai dan iska ne fa, ka haukache ko? . i am going to start a sect of christainity based on this doctrine(before the messages of pastor chris begin to gain traction).  mazaje's chapel of sin.  the host would be a plate of chicken chops and a cold bottle of beer. imagine the revenue it will bring. . . . . . . . . . . .

davidylan:
I still have one issue . . . WHERE IS THE SOURCE FOR THE WIKI EQUATIONS?

the source is in the bible. let there be light and there was light, remember? shameless charlatan. . . . . . . . . . . .

huxley:
Feel for you.   I think the bombshell approach is too much for  most families to take.  That is why I suggest a slow-and-steady approach, slowly casting doubts on the standard christian narrative.  In fact, you will be surprise just how effective this method is at reducing potential tension, if you have already prepared their minds by casting seeds of doubts.   You may even deconvert [/b]some familly members.

it seems you don't know how nigerians [b]LOVE to believe, its SCARY, the worst part is that apart from words of mouth and the spiritual comfort it gives some of them they really have nothing to show for it. most pray for healing, safety, children, security, comfort etc but non comes their way and nothing is there to show for their endless prayers. nigeria still remains one of the poorest, most corrupt country where hardship, misery and lack of value for human life is prevalent amongst other nations of the world.  in fact all they have now is the believe that they will enjoy in heaven whe they die. when white people(europeans) fall sick they go to their doctors and they are always trying to develop their already very high standard of medical delivery system, if they are barren and want children they go for ivf or use surrogate mothers if their womb is completely damaged. They don't have to pray to any god or gods for security( yet they are far more secured than nigerians that are living in a very precarious society where u could get killed at any time despite all their prayers to god for safety), when  faced with discomfort they visit  therapist for help. religion is more like a culture in nigeria. its seriously killing the people, its making the people to kill and reject each other but they are still blindly following it without knowing what they are doing. it all boils down to the very high level of ignorance, close mindedness and poverty that is prevalent in nigeria. the government is dead and the only authority the people can cry to for help is that of their various gods but the way they are going about it is really CRAZY.

@ davidylan
i thought you said you had ran out of patience?  you said that we should have a scientific discussion. i asked you some questions but you left them unanswered, please pray to the biblegod to give you the revelation to prove that extra ordinary scientific claim.

why are still running around explaining nothing but your convoluted points?  this guy is a dangerous fraud. abeg pastor adeboye na your uncle? you sound very much like him.

@ poster

your girl should know about it but as per your family hmmm that one na hard nut ohh. they will never accept most especially if they are conservative christains, family is VERY important because they are the people you can always fall and count on when every body fails you. so in other not to break that bond its better you go along with them. i made the mistake of telling my family that i was an atheist and suddenly things started moving badly between us. i had to recant and tell them that jesus paid me a visit in my dreams and i am now a born again christain. do you know that my mum believes me! she told my younger brother that it was her prayers and fasting that worked and made jesus to visit me  . so go ahead and tell your girl but your family should not know about this.

davidylan:
i've finally run out of patience. You guys can go on with ur personal insults . . .

i thot we were going to have a real science debate but alas . . . enjoy.

ok lets have a scientific discussion, pls can you explain the jocobs model of genetic engineering in a scientific way. provide all equations and peer review evidence to support the bible's assertion.