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fyneguy:
Ok Mr know-it-all, what do u call those?

stage acting is what i call them, hey if miracles really work we won't be having this conversation, have you ever asked yourself why such "miracles" of raising the dead, healing the blind, the deaf, curing cancer on stage etc only occur in africa? reinard bonkke once claimed to have raised a nigerian pastor from death, please tell him to go and try such a gimmick in germany his home country and lets see what will happen to him. miracles indeed. when pastor chris oyhkilome's wife fell sick why did he take her to the hospital? why did'nt he "heal" her with his supernatural powers even when some of his church members claim that she was attacked by the "devil"? you guys are just too funny.

[quote author=Blood_Shed link=topic=214305.msg3308875#msg3308875 date=1231240636]am i lying? The same time she talks about what she does, she mentions the church she attends.

Christians and their contradictory ways.

It was funny in Church not long ago I see some Adidas-faced fool talking rubbish, threatening to kill the taxi driver then as soon as he walks into church, that frown turns upside down and he's on his best behaviour all of a sudden.[/quote]thats how most of them are, they Bleep, steal, lie, slander, kill, and mistreat others only for them to turn around and tell you that god loves you when you tell them the truth.

fyneguy:
Even the dead got raised! :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJZS8QOMqao

fyneguy:
this one na magic abi?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxYO_LdGy50

fyneguy:
and what do u call this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG8Qzmrj4Go

are these what you call miracles?  even the dead got raised indeed. . . . keep on deluding yourself. . . . .

[quote author=Blood_Shed link=topic=214305.msg3308825#msg3308825 date=1231239400]Busybein= Church Heathen

Enough said[/quote]

[quote author=~Lady~ link=topic=214649.msg3304352#msg3304352 date=1231132317]@Post

God is love[/quote]what kind of love? sending she bears to kill 42 children or killing 1 million ethopians? is it advocating slavery or commanding moses and co to stone a person to death for picking sticks on a sabbth equals love. does infecting a king with leprosy for buring incense in a place displeasing to you amounts to love? or is trying to kill you best friend the perfect defination of love. love indeed.

Ovamboland:
The Bible said it all ' my people (not atheist, mazaje and co) perish for lack of knowledge'

How can any true knowledgeable christian believe this hallucination or day dream as reveleation from God .
It's really apaulling that so many so called christians know so little about what they claim to believe in.

One dude in Lagos wrote a book (for sale of course) on God taking on a tour guide of heaven and showing him a refinery in Nigeria. And that God said He put oil underground and owns it and theri will be wealth transfer to His children (for what i don't know since they are soon going to heaven) yada yada,

I wonder if those boys too were taken on tour and saw oil and refineries
And am sure a christian living in southern France on heavenly tour will see vintage champagne cellars and massive olive trees

moslems have their own books about heaven and hell just the way christains have theirs. that says a lot about all those imaginary places. the posters narrative just goes a long way in proving that heaven and hell are really imaginary. if not to sell books, or gain fame i wonder what the writer/writers of this story set out to achive. this story is pure bull. but yet there are millions that not only believe in it but will buy copies and give to friends and family and regard the writer as divine. this is pure fiction.

Image123:
@bindex,duduspace and co.
Your patience is enviable.lol. The problem is that you may not even reply for days now.you and huxley have a hobby of pasting or posting things and abandoning them.maybe your source of inspiration is the same anyway.firstly,I'll like you to know that God is not a magician.He's God.he doesn't work miracles at your whim to show off.He HARDLY manifests in situations of unbelief.He's not obliged to.He's God.It's your cup of hell if you don't believe Him.He usually responds to the HUMBLE and believing,not the skeptical.If you want to hear testimony and miracle,I think there's a thread on that right on nairaland.go and read.perhaps it may even lift your faithless heart with some faith.on 2nd thoughts,let me just tell you about this one miracle.I know of a girl,I still saw her yesterday.Some years ago,she had a problem with her leg.One leg started becoming shorter than the other visible for all to see.She went to hospitalS,at Igbobi(its a popular place for bone issues in lagos),they built her a shoe to make the legs look equal and gave her crutches.the leg continued growing shorter and she was told that she had to cut it.well,she took the case to God in prayer with her church members.within weeks,the leg grew back.she's walking normally today,she can run.I still saw her yesterday.that event was not natural,she used No drug,she got what is called a miracle.I'll be sharing another miracle on the thread 'Today's Rhema' tomorrow incase you're interested.miracles do happen.miracles of healing,provision,protection and so on.Of course there are people who spread fake miracles but it doesn't change the fact of existence of genuine miracles.

Christian Minister Converts to Islam

A minister of the Methodist Church, complete with a degree in divinity, author of many publications - choses ISLAM.
His former congregation wants to know, "Why?"

Former minister (deacon) of the United Methodist Church. He holds a Master's degree in Divinity from Harvard University and a Doctorate in Psychology from the University of Denver. Author of The Cross and the Crescent: An Interfaith Dialogue between Christianity and Islam (ISBN 1-59008-002-5 - Amana Publications, 2001). He has published over 60 articles in the field of clinical psychology, and over 150 articles on Arabian horses

Read his story in his own words:  

One of my earliest childhood memories is of hearing the church bell toll for Sunday morning worship in the small, rural town in which I was raised. The Methodist Church was an old, wooden structure with a bell tower, two children's Sunday School classrooms cubbyholed behind folding, wooden doors to separate it from the sanctuary, and a choir loft that housed the Sunday school classrooms for the older children.

http://www.islamnewsroom.com/content/view/16/52/

Image123:
@huxley
the crux is that the bible is a spiritual book and you do not understand spiritual things.whether one book is more spiritual than the bible or not is insignificant.even if the bible was the least spiritual of spiritual books,you can't really understand it until you're CONVERTED.I said its like trying to teach your dog A-Z.it just would not comprehend.
Please can you tell mazaje to stop copying and pasting explanations of books he doesn't believe in.that doesn't sound logical(putting forward explanations and research for things that you do not believe exist but are just fairy tales).Does he believe those scripture passages, and his pasted explanations or is he confused?

let me repeat all i do here is show you guys that your religion was rigged and is not really what it appears to be. i don't believe in the books just the way so many christains do not believe in the koran but the keep on attacking the book endlessly trying to prove to the moslems that their belief is false, the same thing is what i do here. the bible is full of deliberate mistranslation when it comes to the prophecy of jesus in the OT. why are you still spweing the silly christain mantra that the bible is only spritually discerned? can you spiritually tell me why the writer of matthew deliberately mistranslated young woman in to virgin?

this remains one of the most ridiculous threads i have ever read on nairaland. . . . . .  . .

busybein:
abi ooooo,some people r beginning to misconstrue d bible

busybein do you want to get married to a moslem? or are you presently enjoying a moslem man's bulala?

JJYOU is an angel of doom, after her pastor adeboye as been discredited and exposed as a fraud, she has now ran to another prophet of doom. JJYOU have you finished causing trouble on the sex and sexuality forum?

as i aforementioned all you have done is spin draw, biuld straw man after straw man and believe that you have made your point. all you have to your defence is that the people wrote to difference audiences but you still haven't explained to me how writing to different people explains all the contradictions in the narrative for example we have john wanting jesus to be the pascal lamb of passover so he has jesus being crucified on the 14th of nissan (the day before passover) and the synoptic pospels all stating it was on the 1st day of passover and the last supper being the passover seder.  this is a monumental and irreconcilable discrepancy. 

there is also controversy over the time (9am vs 12noon), who bore the cross on the way to golgotha prior to crucifixion (jesus himself or simon a cyrenian), did the two brigands crucified with him believe in him (yes, one did in luke 23:39-41, no, mark 15:32 and Matthew 27:44), his last words on the cross, (john "It is finished", mark and matt. "my god, my god, why have you forsaken me? ((which is like saying "myself, myself, why have i forsaken me?") or luke, "father, into your hands I commit my spirit".  did roman soldiers guard the tomb? (yes in matt 28:4 or no in John 20:1) and on and on,

matthew uniquely add details (unknown to the other gospels) that an angel rolled back a rock from in front of the tomb, a guard was present at the tomb, the veil of the temple was torn in two accompanied by an earthquake, and amazingly, many dead bodies of jewish saints in jerusalem were also resurrected and walked around the city.

sorry, but if i was a jew back then, that would convince me of his holiness, yet the jews still turn and don't believe in him  plus, this would have been noted by the josephus, philo and the talmud and the other gospels as well as written into the mishna (oral law and history). they are totally silent on all of this. this would have been one of the most important stories in human history. matthew claimed it was seen by many yet names none of the witnesses or who the saints were. if you notice, the bible is big on naming people as a rule. so lady how does writing to different audiences explain this?

Prophecies by Jesus that did not come true: (Deut. 18:19-22)

A prophet's prophecies must come true exactly as stated or he/she is a false prophet.
Jesus prophesied that he would be in the earth 3 days and 3 nights. Matthew 12:38-40
Jesus died on Friday afternoon before sundown (Luke 23:54-55) and was resurrected on Sunday. Therefore he was only dead 2 nights, not 3. (Remember, EXACTLY as prophesied) (Matthew 28:1 and John 20:1)

Jesus stated that he would return during his current generation (Mark 13:7.8,14,19,24,25 and 30) He described events that would take place during the current generation including, “wars, earthquakes, famines, the abomination of desolation spoken by Daniel, affliction not seen since the beginning of creation and the son of man shall come in the clouds with power and glory”. These events clearly did not occur.

Mark really blundered here as he quoted Zechariah 13:2-7 but left off the rest of Zechariah where god explains that he will strike the shepherd who should not live because he will be a false prophet who will speak lies in the name of the lord. It is ironic that Mark's Jesus identified himself as Zechariah's false lying prophet who should not live.

Since Jesus died before it was possible to know that these prophecies did not come true, the Christian bible did not report that the Jews accused him of being a false prophet.

Now on to another mistranslated messianic passage from the OT.
Isaiah 7:14 does not support Matthew's claim that Isaiah is referring to Jesus' virgin birth, some often argue that Isaiah 7:14 is a dual prophecy. In order to fully understand what Christians mean by a dual prophecy, let me first explain why the context of Isaiah 7:14 does not support Matthew's use of this verse as a proof-text of his virgin-birth story.

It should be said at the outset that the word "virgin" does not appear in the seventh chapter of Isaiah. The author of the first Gospel deliberately mistranslated the Hebrew word ha'almah as "a virgin." This Hebrew word ha'almah does not mean "a virgin." It means "the young woman," with no implication of virginity. Most modern Christian Bibles have corrected this erroneous translation, and their Bibles now correctly translate this Hebrew word as "the young woman". If Isaiah had wanted to spefically say virgin, he would have used betulah, a common word used in other areas of the OT that only means virgin.
Isaiah 7:14.

The seventh chapter of the Book of Isaiah begins by describing the military crisis that was confronting King Ahaz of the Kingdom of Judah. In about the year 732 B.C.E. the House of David was facing imminent destruction at the hands of two warring kingdoms: the northern Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Syria. These two armies had laid siege to Jerusalem. The Bible relates that the House of David and King Ahaz were gripped with fear. Chapter seven relates how God sent the prophet Isaiah to reassure King Ahaz that divine protection was at hand. The Almighty would protect him, their deliverance was assured, and these two hostile armies would fail in their attempt to subjugate Jerusalem. In Isaiah 7 we read,

, : "Let us go up against Judah and provoke it, and annex it to us; and let us crown a king in its midst, one who is good for us." So said the Lord God, "Neither shall it succeed, nor shall it come to pass . . . ." ' " The Lord continued to speak to Ahaz, saying, "Ask for yourself a sign from the Lord, your God; ask it either in the depths, or in the heights above." Ahaz said, "I will not ask, and I will not test the Lord." Then he said, "Listen now, O House of David, is it little for you to weary men, that you weary my God as well? Therefore the Lord, of His own, shall give you a sign: Behold the young woman is with child, and she shall bear a son, and she shall call his name Immanuel. Cream and honey he shall eat when he knows to reject bad and choose good; for, when the lad does not yet know to reject bad and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread, shall be abandoned."

It is clear from this chapter that Isaiah's declaration was a prophecy of the unsuccessful siege of Jerusalem by the two armies of the Kingdoms of Israel and Syria, not a virgin birth more than 700 years later. If we interpret this chapter as referring to Jesus' birth, what possible comfort and assurance would Ahaz, who was surrounded by to overwhelming military enemies, have found in the birth of a child seven centuries later? Both he and his people would have been long dead and buried. Such a sign would make no sense.

We see, in II Kings 15-16, that this prophecy was fulfilled when these two kings were suddenly assassinated. With an understanding of the context of Isaiah 7:14 alone, it is evident that the child born in Isaiah 7:14 is not referring to Jesus or to any future virgin birth. Rather, it is referring to the divine protection that Ahaz and his people would enjoy from their impending destruction at the hands of these two enemies, the northern Kingdom of Israel and Syria.

Some Christians argue that this is a double prophecy. That it was fulfillied twice, once as I stated but again 700 years later with Jesus. If Christians argue that the word ha'almah means a "virgin," and, as they insist, Isaiah 7:14 was fulfilled twice, who was the first virgin to conceive in Ahaz's time? Were there two virgin births? That is to say, if these Christians claim that the virgin birth of Isaiah 7:14 was fulfilled twice, who then was the first virgin having a baby boy in 732 B.C.E.? Bear in mind that Christians insist that the word ha'almah can only mean virgin. Are they claiming that Mary was not the first and only virgin to conceive and give birth to a child?

Finally, if Isaiah's words are the substance of a dual prophecy, at what age did the baby Jesus mature? Which were the two kingdoms during Jesus' lifetime that were abandoned? Who dreaded the Kingdom of Israel during the first century when there had not been a Kingdom of Israel in existence since the seventh century B.C.E.? When did Jesus eat cream and honey? Why wasn't Jesus named Immanuel? Does any of this make any sense? It doesn't because this argument of a dual prophecy was born out of the desperation of Christians and essentially makes a mockery out of the book of Isaiah.

Here is what i got from another site. . . . . .

Why Jews do not believe in Jesus

The requirements for the messiah are as follows (per the Jewish bible.) I use either the Stone edition or JPS. They are pretty identical and most Jews I know accept either edition as accurate.
1. He must be from the seed of David through Solomon
2. He will be anointed King of Israel (the word messiah means anointed, nothing more and nothing less)
3. He will return the Jewish people to Israel
4. He will rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem
5. He will bring peace to the world and end all war
6. He will bring knowledge of god to the world

All of the authentic Jewish messianic prophecies are empirically verifiable. The entire world will be able to see and verify the above.

Some things he will not be:
He will not be a deity
He will not need 2 visits to accomplish his mission
He will not die for our sins
He will not be pierced ( in reference to the mistranslation of Psalm 17 explained below)

About Jewish tribal law:
If your mother is Jewish, you are Jewish
If your father was a Kohen (Priest), you are a priest (birth only, no adoption allowed)
If your father was from the tribe of Judah, you are from the tribe of Judah (birth only, no adoption allowed)

Sources for the messianic criteria are from Isaiah 11:6, Talmud Yad, Melachim 11:4, Num 24:17, Deut 17:15 Lev 24:10 Ezra 10:2,3 Gen 49;10 Num 1:18-44 24:14 and Lev 24:10
No sources for the "nots" as these are absent from the Jewish OT.

For my reference to the messiah not needing to be pierced, I refer to Psalm 22:16 (17 in Jewish bible)

Dogs have compassed me; the assembly of the wicked have enclosed me; they pierced my hands and my feet. KJV
Dogs have encompassed me. A company of evildoers has enclosed me; like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet. JPS

Notice that when the original words of the Psalmist are read, any allusion to a crucifixion disappears. The insertion of the word "pierced" into the last clause of this verse is a not-too-ingenious Christian interpretation that was created by deliberately mistranslating the Hebrew word kaari as "pierced." The word kaari, however, does not mean "pierced," it means "like a lion." The end of Psalm 22:17, therefore, properly reads "like a lion they are at my hands and my feet." Had King David wished to write the word "pierced," he would never use the Hebrew word kaari. Instead, he would have written either daqar or ratza, which are common Hebrew words in the Jewish scriptures. Needless to say, the phrase "they pierced my hands and my feet" is a Christian contrivance that appears nowhere in the Jewish scriptures.

Bear in mind, this stunning mistranslation in the 22nd Psalm did not occur because Christian translators were unaware of the correct meaning of this Hebrew word. Clearly, this was not the case. The word kaari can be found in a number of other places in the Jewish scriptures. Yet predictably, the same Christian translators who rendered kaari as "pierced" in Psalm 22 correctly translated it "like a lion" in all other places in the Hebrew Bible where this word appears.

@lady

all you have done is dance around, perform some mental gymnastics and promote you catholic dogma.

busybein:
guess i fit dey finland

you no serious, i dey go sleep abeg see ya another time. we have succeeded in corrupting and defiling the religion forum with our sinful spirit of fornication and sin of the flesh. may god arrest you tonight and whip you into repentance me i don go sleep. bye. . . . . .

busybein:
hahaha hmmm,close by

tell me now you dey fear? i go come bulala you for there.

busybein:
me no dey run my mouth,i dey talk out of xperience, u know say pleasure dey,another pleasure dey,d one wey i go give u is outt.a of this world d one that will give moi a special place in ur heart,d one that will make u live to remember busybein,d one that will make u cu.m just at d mere tot of my name

u don see as people wey dey take cocaine dey take beg people for money to buy d drug,ive u seen d desperation,and plea in their eyes? na so u go take me for  street just for a 2 mins quickie

really! ohh nice. . . . no wahala busybein has any man ever left you speechless and in shock? mazaje is not a person to kid around with ohh. in fact na which country you dey for europe? make i warm my private jet come meet you right way.

busybein:
faint?as long as i don't faint of boredom I'm cool

haba baby maximum pleasure you have never experienced before i assure you.

story u don forget say,tipper senior pan abi?if i can wrap 12inches around my finger,then what is 9 inches?with my mouth alone u will reach orgasm like gawd knows how many times,if i don't deal with ur sausage down there and if ur balls don't beg for mercy,know that I'm not into d business

you just dey talk dey run your mouth. haha you go jam mazaje, you go wonder if men like mazaje dey dis world abi na which kin luck come your way. my tongue and fingers will do things to you that will make you remember forever as long as you live. you will have a feel of what an eagle feels when it is up and flying high in the sky.

tope2000:
oh really? i havent felt that one before but how excatly r u going to do that.
tell me a little

come and join the ride, there is no need telling you about it since you are going to experience and feel it. just jump in and join the ride

busybein:
d neighbours will call d police sef,by d time they hear ur screams

my screams or yours, you will faint over and over, because of pleasure. . . .

naaaa only angle 69 go make u rise and shine not to talk of d main action sweetie,u will get it in real hard u know d "die hard " and the "f**k u real bad and hard" type,that is what u will be getting

all this one na mouth you dey yarn, i go use my tongue touch ur center of gravity not my fingers, you will squeal of unmeasurable pleasure i assure you.

tope2000:
I have, Next??
Or is that u've got?

no thats not all i have, i will leave you feeling as if somebody has stolen something from your body. have you ever experienced that before, don't lie

busybein:
ahahaha u think I'm lying,I'm saying d truth,i always go for big koboko

9 inches na big koboko, mine go bulala you no be small.

well if i were u i'd send all my money down to naija,because u wouldnt know when u will sign the whole cash to moi,by d time I'm through wt ur third leg and make u cumm through ur throat

na only throat you dey talk about? me i go make you come through all the openings wey dey your body. i tell you say you go think say person steal something for your body by the time am done with you.

tope2000:
The guy be all mouth no action


Show me the 9iches stick
Quit talking n start showing action

come and join the pleasurable ride and see for yourself why are you hesitating? have you ever orgasmed 12 times in a row?come in and join the show.

busybein:
only 9inch mazaje,i deal with 12

stop lying busybien.

wish,ever hearu wish honey,u d of a girl making a man speak in tongues and talk dirty,ever heard of a girl,exhausting a guy,that is me

i said i will leave you speechless and wondering what happened to you. you will not only speak in tongues and talk dirty you will cry in tongues and have visions of pleasure and satisfaction.

busybein:
oh yeah,my yim will be up for a few secs,grab it

no mind mazaje,him think say na him sabi do,i go finish am one hand

baby in your dreams. . . . .mazaje is the boss and king of pleasure, i say go and ask around from friends what mazaje means in hausa.

tope2000:
Buahahahahaha . . . . . oya what have u got to offer, give us a preview na

I am waiting for what he has to offer

U dey mind the boy, please show me what u working with first

i have an 9 inch magic stick, honey coated tongue that will send you to the seventh cloud and magic fingers that will send shivers down your spine. i repeat maximum pleasure you have never experienced before is guaranteed

busybein:
hahahahhahahaha come and join us and have fun ojare

tell her to come and join the ride, she will live to tell the story with smiles of satisfaction on her face.

lai lai,tope alone go use her chest wound u,i go use my down below finish u

hahahaha you no never see anything, mazaje's magic fingers, tongue, and stick will leave you girls speechless and wondering what happened to you girls.

abeg forget matter mazaje,u can't beat my taking in,swallowing in,and beating in when it comes to satisfaction,i give it out undiluted

ohh baby you never jam, you can't beat me in any way. by the time i lift you and take to to the seventh could you will think its magic.

tope2000:
Mazeje is on a whole different level compare to guys i flirt with
I dash u, na only u fit handle am

baby come and join the pleasurable ride. maximum pleasure that you have never experienced before in your life is guaranteed. just try mazaje you will never regret it.

busybein:
u wan join,i hope mazaje go like party

i love party as far as the other participant na girl too, both of wuna go experince maximum pleasure wey wuna never experience before.

mazaje dey argue wt me,say him sabi do,lai lai,i no gree, i go swing d guy left,right,down,up center in a jiffing

baby mazaje is the boss, so don't try. . . . . mazaje is a king when it comes to the business of giving pleasure. you can't stand the heat and pleasure baby just accept.

busybein:
naa u r hardly on this section of d forum,infact seun could have made u a mod on d religon section


i hope u also like them nastily seductive because that is what i am

i never fail to dish it out hot,rugged,raw and smoking rough

i am always here as a visitor, i hardly post here though.

mazaje loves them just as you described.

busybein:
ahahahaha mazaje,for this one i will argue till thy kingdom come,lai lai,busybein is a proff oooo,i swear if u don't jerk out 3 times at a go,make u know say no be me busybein dey talk,infact i will teach u diff styles and postions(squatting,and stradling)

have you ever orgasmed 12 times in one session? try mazaje, you go pack your kaya run, you won't be able to stand the heat and pleasure. wallahi no lie.

i believe,there is nothing God and faith cannot do

do you have faith? if you do i want you to take your car if you own one, make sure that it is empty and has no drop of fuel in it pray to god and drive it around. i will be waiting for the result of the experiment.