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DeReloaded:
Should I be amused that atheist never have the guts to go after the Qu'ran the way they do about The Bible.

The vocal ones on NL always hide their necks when it comes to Islam (they believe in an "imaginary person" too BTW) but when it comes to the Bible they start shining teeth

Unless you can rant your gibberish about both religions, be quiet. Cowards.

99 percent of the athiest here were former christians and that is the only religion they understand. they are only showing how irrational it is to accept the beliefs they were forced to believe since when they were kids. . . . .

davidylan:
the quote, while being from wikipedia actually comes from a published work slowpoke.

don't you know that other works that you have criticized or ridiculed despite coming from wikipedia were published works too? so wikipedia is only valid when davidylan cites it as a source? stupid fool. . . . .

davidylan:
Does allah exist? Oh you bet he does . . . as a demon not a god.

davidylan:
I've always been amazed by this. Is it possible for God to both exist and not exist at the same time? These people seem to be of 2 minds.

is it possible for allah to exist and not to exist at the same time? why are you spending too much time attacking an imaginary deity? you seem to have no mind. . . . .

noetic:
again ur opinion.

ignorance could b astonishing. y discuss, debate and attack an imaginary, u dont believe in? This is medically called madness.

why are your fellow christians discussing attacking and ridiculing an imaginary god called allah whom they do not believe exist on the islamic section? guess we all are mad then. . . .

noetic:
Look at ur contradicting irrational beliefs.
ignorant idiot.

i agree, keep on waiting for that incompetent and stupid yahweh to come and give u rest in the imaginary heaven that anceint romans/hebrews created in with their imaginations.

noetic:
thanks a million for this thread.
This has served as a reassurance for my spirit, that I am on the right path.

I hope u know what awaits you?

This post serve as an evidence that you are more deluded than i thought. of course i know what awaits me, do you know that allah will burn you in his hell for eternity for not believing in him? deluded freak. . . . .

redsun:
Digital miracle.This is the age of push buttons not the age of prayers or illusions.

very well said. . . blood of jesus abi na urine of jesus. . .deluded freaks. . . . . .

Truth11:
dear mazaje:

Every word of the Bible is true, divine and eternal - Praise God!

Its amazing that you yourself have proved with your own thread on freewill. I want to ask that your posts on freewill, are they out of freewill or not? I think they are and so the debate ends unless you claim to be a zombie.

I hope you will acknowledge the truth and walk in the light when it revealed and not continue to shut it out and keep walking in darkness.

blessings,

save all your religious mantra for yourself. . . . what truth are you talking about? the truth that says the bible god has predestined everything? the truth that says that the biblegod does not believe in equal level playing ground? the truth that says your imaginary god saves whom ever he will and hardens whom ever he will and will still punish people for hardening their hearts?

Rom 9:18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

what kind of incompetent and stupid deity is this that will harden peoples hearts and punish them for hardening their hearts against him? i choose to believe in reality than a bunch of incompetent and imaginary deity that that does not know his left from his right.

funny thread. . .deluded children/slaves of imaginary dieties. . . . .

davidylan:
From wikipedia - Etymology
The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and ʼilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God" (ho theos monos).

davidylan why are you quoting from wikipedia? when others cite wikipedia you ridicule them and discard it as ohh it is wikipedia they are citing but here you are quoting from the same wikipedia, are you comepletely stupid or what?

davidylan:
mazaje is fighting with himself here eh?

you wish i am only pointing out what is in the bible and debuking the lies you guys keep bandying around when put in a tight corner. the notion that any body that questions the veracity of what your religion asserts is fighting it is ridiculous. are you fighting your self when you show the inconsistences of the koran to the moslems in the islamic section? deluded goon. . . . .

More evidence that there is no free will in the biblegod predestines everything

Joh 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

Joh 6:65 And he said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father."

Here is another:

Php 2:13 for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

Very, very strong "evidence" for Christians (since you believe this stuff) then there is no "free will".

I am tired of the "free will" mantra that christians always use to explain away that that make rubbish of the biblical assertions. There is nothing like "free will" in the bible. "free will" is a word coined out by christian apologist to explain away all the ridiculious assertions of the bible.


Psa 139:16 You saw me before I was born. Every day of my life was recorded in your book. Every moment was laid out before a single day had passed.

Job 14:5 You have decided the length of our lives. You know how many months we will live, and we are not given a minute longer.

Act 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

Rom 8:28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.
Rom 8:29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
Rom 8:30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

Rom 9:10 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac,
Rom 9:11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad--in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls--
Rom 9:12 she was told, "The older will serve the younger."
Rom 9:13 As it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means!
Rom 9:15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
Rom 9:16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."
Rom 9:18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. (i wonder why some fools here mock allah because of this.)
Rom 9:19 You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?"
Rom 9:20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?"
Rom 9:21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?
Rom 9:22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
Rom 9:23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory

Rom 11:2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel?

Eph 1:4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love
Eph 1:5 he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,
Eph 1:6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.

Eph 1:11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

2Ti 1:9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began
2Th 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

Rev 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

so there you have it. there is absolute nothing like free will in the bible, even jesus said that he speaks in parables because he doesn't want people to understand and ask for forgivness, so enough of the "human beings have free will" because there is no such thing in the bible, besides the bible clearly says that the biblegod plans and chooses everything before hand so enough of all the lies and using the free will mantra to explain away the inconsistencies of your arguments and postulations. there is no such thing as free will in the bible

davidylan:
Huxley here is the real problem - it is ok for you to simply say "i dont know" (even though your entire claims are based around stuff YOU DONT KNOW!) but imagine we christians simply responded to all your questions with "i dont know"?

the day christians and moslems will start saying that the don't know is when we will stop asking questions, is there anything that christians pretend not to know? you guys always declear your opinions or the opinions of the founders of your religions as fact when they are nothing but opinions and personal experiences. ask a christian how the world began and he will tell you with all seriousness that the genesis story is a fact when it is not? a moslem will tell you as a matter of fact that arabic is the language of allah(how he knows is that is a fact is what i can't understand). how do you guys know these things to be facts? deluded freaks. . . . .

SeanT21:
What proof do u need to know that God exist??

what proof do you have that your god exist? the onus lies on you to prove beyond reasonable doubt that your god exists.

huxley:
Has anyone else lost the ability to edit their post once it has been posted?

yeah. . .mr moderator whats happening?

Hit the nail on the head to be honest. I dont see them putting the same zeal into debunking Buddha.

thou stupid hipocrite i have never seen your own post debunking sango or vishnu? why spend uncountable post debunking allah? idoit.

that's the problem, the horribly false assumption that anyone who does not believe in religion is necessarily because he is more intelligent. Isaac Newton and so many highly intelligent nobel laureates were ardent christians. Thor, believe me you are not as intelligent as their smallest toe.

Besides, i have had the opportunity to debate many of these secularists here and most are barely up to scratch when it comes to intelligence.

Issac newton was an ardent christian? stupid liar. . . .

davidylan:
Are you surprised? Its Mazaje and wirinet . . . i didnt expect anything different.

same stupid replies when ever your stupidity is exposed.

Winnergal:
These thread is supposed to be about bornagain christian men, . .please don't turn it into a war thread . . .

we have the nairaland idiot here implying that people that he has never meet are not truly saved just because wirinet refered to them. if not a fool why will he make a statement like

davidylan:
I reiterated earlier, not everyone who fills the religion portion of a form as "christian" is a genuine born again Child of God. Those are two starkly different things. Your family label might be "christian" but how many of them were truly saved?

has he ever meet them? why question their christian status and imply that they are not truly saved?(what ever that means). is he saved? what makes his own opinion and interpretation of the bible better than theirs? as i have said he has never meet them why make such a stupid remark? who told him that wirinet was never truly saved when he was in the christian bubble? the only thing that needs saving is davidylan and his stupidity. idiot

manmustwac:
OH YEAH!!! Well why is it that over 95% of the Black African population don't realize that?

The black man has not yet attained the age of reason yet.

manmustwac:
What magic potion did the white man put inside the bible that has our people totally brainwashed and hypnotized

we love myths more than others i guess. anyway our entire system is completely disfunctional so people need a shoulder to cry on or some form of hope( a god is the only rational thing that can be accepted by most people). coupled with our endless and meaningless fear. fear of death, fear of the future and fear of the unknown. there is no magic portion in the bible or koran, 80 percent of nigerian christians have never read the bible or the koran in full to understand what they are really saying. 80 percent of the christians and moslems in nigeria do not know how the bible was written, complied, editted, translated and its history.

90 percent of nigerian moslems do not know that the koran was written hundreds of years after the death of mohammed, they dont know its history how it was complied and stuffs like that. so many christians do not know that the bible as we have it today was not assembled until about 350 years after the alleged death of jesus. they don't know that most of the authours of the books of the bible are unknown and that so many of the books were written long after the events they portrayed happened example the book of daniel. some of the books were written by unblievers but were editted by the jews much later example the book of eccleciates. some were a collection of prayers and poems from different people over a long peroid of time(pslams). books like proverbs are a collection of wise saying including those of unbelievers(which is even written in the book it self but most people dont even realise) over a long peroid of time. most nigerians christian do not know that pauls letters predate the gospels.they dont know that the gospels were written 40- 100 years after the alleged death of christ by unknown greek writers who were not eye witness to any of the events that they wrote about. most dont know that the gospels were originally written in greek by very educated wirters not the illetrate hebrew deciples of jesus who never spoke greek. most people dont know anything with regards to their religion they just follow blindly because it gives them so form of comfort and hope of an after life. beside delusion and bubble are very nice experiences.

manmustwac:
Waz up Huxley? You know its usually difficult for people who come from developing countries to become Atheists. So i would like to know what happened in your life or what was it that u experienced that made u realise that God is imaginary?

perharps he read the bible for him self and realized that it is full of lies, fogery, contradictions, feel good mythologies and out right nonsense and came to the realization that it was a game.

JeSoul:
Mazaje,
You always come back to "God killed all those people in OT" "He is immoral and bloodthirsty" etc . . . it is impossible to 'discuss' with you cos your emotions on the matter have gotten the best of you. Like AIO said to Huxley, your starting point is a bias. So discussing would only be an exercise in futility. I would love to throw scriptures back and forth and rip thru them but you're not really intrested in the truth, just propagating what you've already determined in your mind to be true.

When you start off saying God is stupid and senseless and incompetent, that's not ridiculing? whether or not you think these things, you don't open a conversation like that. Even when you disagree with your opponent, you still respect them. I know other christians make fun of islam and such and I'm not excusing that, but pointing to the fault of others does not excuse yours. And please I'm not trying to assume some moral high ground here cos I fall short myself but I believe in cordiality and mutual respect.

If you want to discuss solely on the topic of "God's chosen people" then lets start from the Romans 9 verses and chapter I quoted to you. If you want to continue mudslinging at a God you believe doesn't exist, then I must kindly make an exit.

ok lets discuss romans 9 , but before then i will like to know what the book in romans have to do with the promise that the hebrew god made to abraham in the genesis.

davidylan:
I reiterated earlier, not everyone who fills the religion portion of a form as "christian" is a genuine born again Child of God. Those are two starkly different things. Your family label might be "christian" but how many of them were truly saved?

see this fool telling others what it means to be born again. are you born again? what makes you a better christian than his family members? have you ever meet them? who is a genuine born again christian? is the pope a born again christian? what about pastor chris? is huberility a born again christian? you are not a born again christian as far as other christians like lady, donnie etc here are concerned because as far as they know you are going to root in hell for the kind of belief you hold. why is your opinion and interpretation of the bible better than theirs? idiot

more stupidity . . . i.e. i was born to parents who identified themselves as "christians", attended a "christian" school where almost everyone labeled themselves "christians" so automatically i've known many christians and can judge christianity through them?

Note i repeat again for the sake of you deaf and blind sons of denial - the label "christian" is not the same as being genuinely SAVED.
You were NEVER truly saved, you were simply a card-carrying member of the "christian" social party of Nigeria.

You foolishness knows no bounds. what does it mean to be saved? is the pope saved? idiot. who are you to tell people what it means to be saved? saved from what? your stupidity and arrogance? idiot. are you saved? are all the moslems you know terrosist? why do you have uncountable post attacking moslems on nairaland? do you know all the moslems in the world? why are you atomatically judging moslems here on NL based on the actions of some moslems in pakistan or gaza?

Another foolish and lazy extrapolation . . . 99% of suicide bombers are muslim so i can also interpolate that majority of muslims are murderers right?

you have implied that a lot of times.

I repeat again, being a member of the "christian social party of nigeria" is not the same as being genuinely born again. You need to let that distinction sink into your empty skull.

who are those that are born again? those that subscribe to your church or view of what the bible says? are you born again? what makes you a born again christian and not somebody like pastor chris whom you love to criticize? is davidylan the only person that knows what it takes to be born again? again what makes your own opinion and interpretation of the bible better than theirs? stupid idiot.

JeSoul:
My brotha you don't have to reduce to rediculing another's faith to get your point across.

I said God is a no-nonsense God and what I mean is that His laws and commands are absolute and disobedience comes with consequences.

I am not ridiculing your faith i am just saying it as it is. there are chiristians here on nairaland that point to the moslems how stupid and meaningless their beliefs are, the point is that they are not ridiculing islam or mohammed but stating it exactly as it is which is what i am doing here. did the hebrew god of the old testament hardern people's heart and kill them for it? YES he did. i don't believe what the bible says and i do not believe that any of the myths in the bible ever happened but lets assume that i do believe in it. what does that passage sound like? that is outright stupidity and incompetence, why should a deity hardern people's hearts and kill them for hardening their hearts? will mislead a stranger on the street and punish him for misleading him/her? that is the same thing the hebrew god did.

And that is your problem. You're looking towards fallible human beings to give you their definition and understanding of God and you're leaving jaded when they give you conflicting accounts. That is no ones fault but your own.

If you want to know God, first be honest with yourself and leave all that hatred and disdain you feel towards religion and God behind. Purge your mind and disabuse yourself of all the preconceived notions you've been harboring . . . and then open the bible and read it again.

I looked into the bible and all i see is a self contradictory deity that has no defination. is the bible good all knowing? why then does he need lamps to look for people who mock him in the dark? (it is there in the bible in case you dont know). is he all powerful? he cant defeat men because they rode on iron chariots. is he a merciful god? yet he kills people for just looking into an ark? or kills 70,000 men just because david conducted a census when he knows very well that the men he killed had nothing to do with davids decisions. is he a just god? yet he tells his chosen people to kill babies and rape women. this is all i see in the hebrew bible.

And that is your problem. You're looking towards fallible human beings to give you their definition and understanding of God and you're leaving jaded when they give you conflicting accounts. That is no ones fault but your own.

If you want to know God, first be honest with yourself and leave all that hatred and disdain you feel towards religion and God behind. Purge your mind and disabuse yourself of all the preconceived notions you've been harboring . . . and then open the bible and read it again.

That is NOT what I said. I didn't insinuate knowledge of God is unattainable, I said it is unattainable if you're only using your weak human mind to try to grasp a concept as big as God.

what you are telling me is to throw all my senses away and accept things that do not make sense in any way here is what toneyb said. to believe in what the bible says is to first of all

have the SELF DECEPTION REQUIRED in order to presume it true beforehand so when you read them and see things that don't fit or make any sense you overlook them or try to explain them even through dishonest ways.

as i read the hebrew bible and see the attrocities that the tribal hebrew god commanded his people i came to the conclusion as to why would the hebrew god use a nation as questionable as the post-exodus israelites to deliver his "judgment" on the canaanites? (why not just use natural disasters, such as earthquakes, volcanic-type phenomena, or plague ?) since the bible says he is an almighty? why urge his chosen people to steal other people's lands? why not provide another land for his chosen people since he is almighty and can do all things? infact why not tell his people to preach to the unbelievers? why kill babies and tell his people to rape women?
what about all the innocent people killed in this "holy war"families, "good" canaanites, etc.? even if it is 'okay' for the hebrew god to execute judgment on nations within history, why didn't he only kill the evil-doers?
doesn't wholesale slaughter of nations seem a little incompatible with a god of love and mercy?

As for the rest of the paragraph . . . you are going in so many different directions its impossible to follow you. Are we still talking about God's chosen people? Have you read Romans 9 yet? and seen that God's chosen people are really those who choose to believe in Him both now and back then?
Again your own personal opinion.
Even non-christian scholars agree that many OT predictions are seen coming to fruition in the NT.

can you list just one so that we can look at it in context?

offtopic: what has happened to you in the past few months, you weren't this bitter and angry about God/religion in my discussions with you in the past.[/quote

is pastor robinson bitter when he tells muslims that allah is nothing but an arabian invention and a muderous lunatic? are davidylan and babyosis bitter people when they show how ridiculous and inconsistent the actions of allah as potrayed in the koran are? there are uncountable christians out there that insult, ridicule and discard allah, mohammed and sango. are they bitter people? i dont believe in the hebrew god of the old testament and when i see where is is being depicted as a lunatic in the hebrew bible i quickly point it out thats all i do here.

noetic:
Pls check the dictionary for the meaning of a self-contradicting idiot.

If only you read the bible for yourself you will know exactly what i am talking about.

I d rather wait for huxley to present the unintelligent rubbish above as his defence (cos its obvious he is a little bit wiser than u) than tear apart ur meaningless assertions.

what are my meaningless assertions? is it a lie that the ancient hebrews created the god in which you worship in their own image?

wirinet:
If the ten commandments are necessary, then;
Why do people call the name of GOD in vain numerous times every day?
Why do the bow at images of cross and revere the cross and crucifix?
Why are Christians and Jews alway eager to kill a Moslem or Arab in retaliation for thtem killing a christian?
Why is no Christian ready to Keep the sabbath day (no matter which day it is) holy?
Why is it children are to obey and honour pastors, priests and reverend fathers more than their parents?
Why are Christian encourage to steal, cheat and commit all other forms of corruption in the name of prosperity (as long as they pay tithes)?
Why is adultery condoned in the churches, you have many unmarried couples as members of a church, sometimes with numerous children or heavily pregnant?

And so on.

wirinet how are you doing out there?

@Poster

Are you a christian and do you read your bible at all? If you do, you will know that we are admonished in the bible that if anyone slaps us on the right cheek, we should also turn the left cheek to the person to also slap in return, thus, when you husband slapped you, did you turn the other side for him to also slap? If you didnt, pls do so tonite. Also, dont you know that the bible also admonish us to forgive as many times as possible, in fact in 70 times 70 times, thats the admonishion. So quit whining here and get your hubby's di ck back pounding your hot juicy wet pussie.

This statement is very correct.

May kelly:
Question: you are like an earth worm challenging the elephant; knowing that u are ignorant.

then pray to the elephant to come and crush him, thats what you are very good at here. binding casting and wishing doom on people because they do not believe in your imaginary deity. go ahead and tell jehova to destroy all the atheist in the world.

noetic:
Question 2:
What is Atheism and the rationality of ur beliefs?

I will help u paint the larger picture:

I define atheism as an irrational state of mind. . . .where the subject of ones disbelief cannot be substantiated or defined.

You clearly do not know what you are talking about. to me atheism is the claim that there is no rational justification for belief in the existence of any god or gods. i take atheism to assert that, when all the evidence for and against is weighed, the best conclusion to draw is that there is no god. as an atheist, i deny exist of all gods (and demons) those of the muslims, the hindu, the ancient egyptians, and the god of the old and new testaments.

Now lets come to you: You HUXLEY (an atheist) dont believe in the existence of Jehovah God.
Who is Jehovah God? What is His ontology?

jehova god is an imaginary self contradictory deity that was created by the clever ancient hebrew misogynist men for a variety of purposes, ranging from psychological comfort, entertainment and also to serve as an excuse for stealing, raping and destryoing their enemies. the same god was then hig jacked by the gentiles(greek and romans) and was turned into another different deity(jesus).

What a very funny thread.

Dear Huxley,

The demons acknowledged Jesus as God, the tree acknowledged Jesus as God, the storm acknowledged Jesus as God, death acknowledged Jesus as God and gave back the dead he called.

who are demons? have you ever seen any? just in case you have ever seen one can you tell us how they llok like and where they reside? funny people.

You are calling all kinds of names to the one who loves you, even now, and wants to forgive you.

It seems you dont read the bible at all, jesus said that he speaks in parable so that people will not understand what he is saying because if they do they will be forgiven this clearly show that jesus does not want people to be forgiven. enough of this jesus loves people meaningless mantra.

Jesus said: God so loved the world that he have his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life.

jesus never said any such thing, the writter of john said that not jesus, why should his word be taken more seriously than the words of the men that wrote the koran?