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[quote author=Mr_Anony]Ok good let us proceed. I will assume that for this thread mazaje is interested in truth more than unnecessary empty arguments.

1. My answer: Yes. However, the it is more like a soul having a body than the other way round. For the intents and purposes of this thread, I will define the soul as the non-physical essence of a man i.e. the real person is the soul while the body would be his 'container'. (note: this is a rather simplified description of what the soul is but it will do for now)[/quote]OK,will give my comments later. . . .

1. My question: Do you believe that there is more to you than your physical body or is there a non-physical aspect of you? i.e is there an aspect of you that cannot be comprehensively defined by space, time and mass?

No I dont. . .

advocate666: He can't give you his position.
If he eventually comes, he will start asking you questions himself and ignoring yours.

It seems you are a prophet. . .LOL

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, I can see you are anxious for my coming. Anyway, here I am. I have a feeling this is going to be futile because it usually doesn't matter what I say, you've programmed yourself to disagree anyway.

Well, here are your questions.



You have asked a number of interesting questions. However, I also have questions of my own and I think it is only fair that before I answer any of your questions, you must answer one of mine. This way we will go through your questions one by one. If you agree to this, we shall proceed, if you don't agree, I will not proceed. Your call.[/quote]Go ahead and ask . . .

Anonyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. . . .Where at thou?

Uyi Iredia: @ OP: I think the greatest miracle of all is the universe which God created. What miracle could possibly best that ?

From faith healing to the universe as a miracle, eh?. . .Hmmmm

advocate666: If he comes here and gives a direct straightforward answer, I will renounce Satan.

I will also renounce atheism. . .

berylLOL: so you are talking based on just your family members and a few dead people around you right? Ok.

You asked me about my family and I answered. . . .I have already given you my position on faith healing in my very first post. It does not exist the way believers want us to believe. . .

berylLOL: and what's your proof? Did your family member die that way?

Nope, my family members despite being very religious all run to Europe(Germany) when they fall very sick because they are lucky they can afford the best medical care man can offer. . . .If the illness is not so serious, they stay back in Nigeria but they always chose the hospital first. They will never go to any prayer house despite all their shouts of Jesus this , Jesus that,but I know some people that went to prayer houses because they could not afford to pay huge hospital bills and ended up dead. . .Actually all the people that I know who had very serious illness and chose prayer houses instead of hospital all died . . .They are not so many but a handful . . .

berylLOL: at least a normal answer, some christians dont go to hospitals tho

Those that don't go to hospital when seriously ill mostly end up dead. . .Faith healing is a hoax. .

^^

Him don run na . . . .

truthislight: It really is rather curious that someone or rather some human tend to claim absolutedity in knowing/having knowledge, not even giving room for certain limitation that are obviously inherent in human.

It is only on this backdrop that you see human that ordinarily have limited life span and hence limited learning/knowledge make claim thus:

The bible has made a lot of major claims about things that can be verified and they turned out to be false . . .Why should we then trust the bible when it comes to things that we can not verify, things like eternal life?. . .I am not claiming complete knowledge of anything. . .That is your own making. .

and as such i am interested since i believe there are things in the bible that i am yet to understand but am still learning.

Considering that you know this much, can you help educate me on those things?

Am waiting to learn please.

Am lost, what exactly is it you are trying to say?. . .

There is nothing really like faith healing. . .It just doesn't work and is all make belief. . . .Here are some case scenarios that explains how faith healing or miracles work. . .

CASE 1:

The person prays and uses medicine side by side. Medicine heals him. So he says god healed him. The poor doctor with years of study and recommendation get no credit at all, all the credit goes to god.

CASE 2:

The person prays and the disease goes away by itself. The person then says it was god. . .Our bodies will heal some diseases with our immune system if given enough rest, food and time. God still gets the credit. . .

CASE 3:

The person's disease was psychological. By using prayer he shifts how his mind sees the world and thus the mental condition is gone. He praises god.

CASE 4:

Hypnotherapy has being proven by science that it can alleviate pain: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22917107
Prayer works in similar way. No supernatural phenomena though. Just the mind working.

CASE 5:

The preacher creates illusion of miracles by hiring actors.

CASE 6:

The person pretends to have a disease just to enjoy the status of going to the altar to praise God. . . .Being special to god is a nice ego boost.

Nothing like faith healing. . .If it works christians will not be going to hospitals. . .

[quote author=Mr_Anony]The truth is that right from the start, we are God's creation and our existence is far more than mere bodily existence. Troubles, sickness and death have no power over us because once we know Him, we obtain eternal life. That by far outweighs whatever light afflictions we feel today.[/quote]If the bible is very wrong about things that we know and has been shown to be wrong on many of his claims about things that can be verifiable, why should any body trust it on things that can not be verifiable like eternal life?. . .If the life after death is sooo importamnt why then do christians always prefer to live than to die?. . .All the christians i know pray for long life and pray for god to heal them even when they have terminal diesease, non ever prays for a speedy death and NON shows that the life after is important because nON wants to die. . .

Think about it, the hard truth is that whether you like it or not, given enough time if Jesus tarries, both you and me and logicboy and all our friends and family as well as everyone we know will all die at one point or the other in one way or another. And some people will still cry for us and some will question God as if we were meant to live on earth forever.

The problem is not just about death, you claim you god is love, but there is NO evidence what so ever to show that your god knows anything about human love. . .A god that can not even protect his own can not be said to love them, no?. . .As i am typing this a lot of christians are been raped and affected by various accidents that will leave them permernently defoormed for life, and your god was just no where to help them when they had full confidence and call on him for help. . .Yet that god is love, eh?. . .You clearly do not under stand what love is. . .

If all there is to us are our physical bodies and death is just a mere ceasing to exist, then what does it matter how we live our lives if at the end we all die anyway, what would it matter if we believe in God or not or if we were serial killers and mass murderers? If in the end we all just die, why do good to anyone? Why not just live for our own pleasure alone? Why sacrifice for others and make anyone else's life better if both you and the person you are helping will eventually die in the end?

Are you truly saying this nonsense?. . .Because helping and sacrificzing for others will make the society good as a whole. . .So you are helping and sacrifizing for others only because you want some reward after you die?. . .Are you serious?. . .Hmmmmmm

The bible tells us that there is more to us than our physical bodies. Our souls are far much more important and that is who Christ really cares about. It is for the sake of our souls that Christ sacrificed His life. It doesn't profit us anything if we live in luxury all our lives and then in the end we lose our souls. Christ did not die to make our lives more comfortable. He died to give us something much more important than physical bodily pleasure. This is why Paul can say "for me to live is Christ and to die is gain."

I oponed a thread specifically for on on the soul so that you can explain what it means but you ran away from it. . .What is this myth called the soul?. . .

God is not a stranger to our pain. There are things we may not understand today but on the last day we shall see God and everything will be made clear to us. Nothing can seperate us from the love He has for us. Not sickness, trials, hardship, not even death. God's love by far outweighs all.

Frank, as long as your mother believed in Him, then her death is not the end of the story. You can be comforted that she will resurrect to life on the last day to the glory of God.

If all fails claim only god knows and throw in some religions words that have nothing to do with reality so that belief in mythology can go on. . .SMH. . .

Islam is a political religion. . .This Sheikh is a FOOOOOOOOOL. . . .

^^

LOL!. . .I get that. . .

advocate666: He can't give you his position.
If he eventually comes, he will start asking you questions himself and ignoring yours.

Lets see if he can avoid anonynimisym on this thread. . .

Logicboy03: A honest christian shames Anony

Honest christians will always put people like anony to shame. . .

Miracles like the one below, eh?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1PfkZqa_R0

FUCKKKKK gays. . .

I guess anony is having a time out with friends and family. . .Wishing him a merry christmas. . .

babaearly: so many questions for mr anony to confuse the hell out of you.
but you will definitely reject everything he says so whats the point of
the thread?

Confuse the hell out of me? LOL!. . .I just want to have his position on them.

I got some of these questions from another board but will like you to answer them.

1. Do you believe that you have a soul that survives death?
2. If you answered yes to #1, where is this soul currently located in the human body? (Be specific)
3. How is this soul affixed to the body while you are alive?
4. By what means does it become disconnected from the body at the point of death?
5. Do animals, insects and unicellular organisims have souls? If no, why not?
6. By what means do we obtain this soul? Why is it not described in any scholarly work regarding the conception of human beings?
7. Where is our soul before we are conceived?Is it created out of "nothing"? What is it created out of? How is the soul distinct from the body?
8. Is the soul different from consciousness?
9. Is there a difference between the soul and the intelligence/character of the human?

For example: if a person sustains severe brain damage that dramatically alters their character or intellect(it happens a lot) completely, does that mean:

a) The soul sustained equal damage to the brain and is changed in exactly the same way?
b) The soul was not damaged, but parts of it are thereafter "locked off" due to the physical damage?

This ones will do for now.

Tbaba1234. . . .

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Supernatural is not something that contradicts nature rather it is something that transcends nature i.e. You cannot explain the supernatural using Natural laws.

When I say God is supernatural, what I mean is that He is not subject to natural laws rather He transcends them. God is Spirit.

The nature of God is such that you cannot define God in terms of space, time and matter. That is what is meant by God is Supernatural.

Does this clarify things for you?[/quote]Another meaningless talk apologist use to confused themselves and delude others into believing their myths and nonsense talk. . .

Firstly, the bible describes its god as the beginning and the end, that denotes time. . .It says god created man in his own image, and that god lives in a place called heaven. . .Actually the bible even claimed that people once tried to build a tower up high so that they could reach where god was in his abode before he got scared and confused their tongue which resulted to people speaking different languages. . .That denotes matter and space since people could reach his abode. . .There is no where in the bible where it says that god lives outside of time and space. . .

Yooguyz: hahaha...lol...hehehehe...am glad that at least you agreed that a leg has been lengthened by God's power...now lemme hear the nonsense you wana use to refute that miracle...i wana catch fun this afternoon

I said no leg has been lengthend by any god's power . . .It is all a tirck and the video i posted above explained how the trick is done. . .That you chose to accept the foolishness and fraud remains your problem not mine. . .

Yooguyz: there has been miracles (not just one) of amputated legs that have grown out google "short leg lengthened" or if you want to be specific add "kenneth Hagin"you'll see videos of legs lengthened by God's power..that will gave you a new perspective to anchor your criticisms since obviously from your you are brainwashed

You are a liar. . Shut up!!. . .

Kenneth Hagin remains a big FRAUD. . .Here is a video exposing the ticks he uses to "lengthened" people's legs. . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpz_9_KalFY

^^
You don go resurrect old thread abi?. . .

[quote author=Mr_Anony]First of all could you define who a christian is? So that we can be sure that you know what a christian is before you start talking of what they do or how they disagree.[/quote]What has the defination of a christian got to do with the fact that christians that claim to be close to god argue all the time?. . .Are people like frosbel, davidylan, goshen, oladegbuu etc that constantly claim they are close to god but disagree and argue with each other not christians?. . .Is oladegbuu not a christian?. . .Why is he always arguing with davidylan while both of them are claiming to be recieving their own knowledge from god. . .Why is god sending them different interpertations of the bible? What about frosbel and Goshen, pastor kun and joabaje etc. . .All claiming to be close to god but arguing and disagreeing with each other most of the time. . .

[quote author=Mr_Anony]What I know of God is what God has revealed to me of Himself. If you draw closer to God, He will reveal more of Himself to you.[/quote]What exactly has your god revealed to you since you claim you atre close to him. . .All the christians that disagree with each other over everything also get their revelations from god, no?. . .Is it not the same god that is revealing himself to oladegbuu that is also revealing himself to davidylan. . .Whey then do they disagree most of the time. . .Frosbel, goshen toba etc. . .Why is your god revealing different things to different people that have come close to him?

Logicboy03: [size=28pt]Sometimes I don't know who's worse: frosbel, anony, obadiah, olaadegbu

All of them;
-all christians
-Same bible
-Same religion
-Different interpretation

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All of them are SPAG. . . Olaadegbu keeps insisting that for a person to really be a christian he must believe that the universe is 6000 years old

frosbel: fighting with my religion ?

Since when did I belong to a religion !

I belong to JESUS, simples, no affiliation to any sect, denomination or group.

As you wish, if that will make you sleep comfortably at night. . .

Frosbel is now fighting with his religion and what it teaches, eh?. . .