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The problem right now is with islam. At least with the way muslims portray it to others. Muslims go about killing non believers as a religious duty in Nigeria and outside Nigeria, but we have people like vexdacool denying that fact. Those that go about holding the koran and chanting the name of allah while killing others are doing so in the name of islam and they always make it clear. . .many of them even recite verses from the koran they say support their actions. . .Pls watch the boko haram videos for example. Take a look at the whole world, its either its muslims fighting hindus, muslims fighting jews, muslims figting buddhist or muslims fighting christians. You will never see christians fighting hindus or buddhist for examples. . .Hindus fighting buddhist never happens. . its always muslims fighting every body all over the world. . .

The bible, koran, bagdavits and all religious books are mostly fictitious. . .They do contain some true stories which are mostly embellished. . .majority of the stories contain in them never happened and are fictitious. . .Thwe fact is majority of the writers of the bible are unknwon. . .No body knows who they are forget about the authourship assigned to the books by authority, the real authors are unknown. . .

vedaxcool: ^

I think you would do better to explain to everyone here what is exactly wrong with Hausa people, have you notice that every incident that happens in Nigeria always certainly involves your people? . . . Well the answer is not far fetch like every other group of Nigerians their leaders enjoin manipulating the masses in a bid to access power unlike other places your people use and dump their own after manipulating them as bargaining chips, this is the very reason why they being extremely poor and their theiving leaders having millions of dollars stashed abroad react in the most outrageous manner whenever perceived slight is done to them! Until when people like you who despite being atheist can address the poverty and return the stolen wealth back to the people then, people will react sanely! Remember in Pakistan a girl was accused of blasphemy yet due process was followed despite Pakistan having all the indications of a failed state! So until the Hausa elites (which includes you unfortunately) addresses poverty in their region or the accursed imbeci1e running this country grow some spine and take securing life and property his number 1 duty then all this talk and slander of Islam will be simply playing Ostrich rather than being reasonable!

That is because the hausa fulani happen to be the most ethno-religious group in Nigeria. . .This is what happens without the external reality check I was speaking about. Only one reading the Koran with the eyes of faith could seriously disregard that the book on almost every page instructs observant Muslims to despise nonbelievers. On almost every page, it prepares the ground for religious conflict. It is NOT a hausa problem but an islamic problem. . .Take a look at pakistan, syria, egypt, etc. . .Minorities in majority muslim nations are always under attack in one way or the other. . .When the taliban took over in afganistan the first thing they did was to destroy the the stature of buddah. . .It is the same exact phenomena we see with fundamentalist christians that insist on an inerrant bible. Your attitude is exactly the same, whether you like it or not. How will you argue with the fundamentalist christian that insists that his book is infallible when it says that salvation is only through Jesus? Any argument either of you make to the other is will be met with the likes of "contextual errors", "mistranslation", or "misunderstanding". Words will be twisted, definitions will be stretched, and goal posts shall be moved. . . . .The yourobas have a significant number of christians and the christians are not a minority so there is nothing the muslim can do to them. . .The world over muslims are always treating their minorities badly and persecuting them and that is the fact. . .Even the minority shias in saudi arabia and always living in fear and walking on egg shells in a majority sunni country. . .

bosschick: Religion is nt only smefin dat poor pple run to 4 hope everybdy needs hope whether its bill gates or dangote. Dats why ur view dat on poor need God is wrong everybody needs God whether the rich or the poor we all need God and even. Dis mazaje guy sef u er just making mouth on here. U sef u need help. U go just dey form boss. Everybody needs God point blank. And dat view that religion is a way to exploit people is also wrong

Actually people don't need any god or gods. .it is god(s) that need people because without people there will be no god(s). Religion is considered as true to the common man, as false to the wise and as useful to the leaders as some one has said in the past. . .I don't need any god because non exist in REALITY. . .

F00028: me i no too like background noise. person go just siddon for one corner dey yarn anyhow.

wetin be "so many errors, contradictions and absurdities" ? make you begin dey list am one by one make i see.

(just to be clear: shey you be pagan, ba?)

Which one be pagan?

There will need to be one hell of a lot of changes in the way islam treats its minorities or dissenting opinions before it will ever pass the test of being any religion of peace. . . .Seems the fundamentalist islamic idea of 'world peace' is a world where everyone would be dead.. . ..Islamic 'peace' accomplished at last.

The slaves of allah are here again with their koran is perfect nonsense. . .. If it's perfect, why have generation after generation who have been steeped on it and fully applies its principles and laws not built perfect societies through its teachings? And why are there so many errors, contradictions and absurdities in it? And why does it need to be reinterpreted most of the time?. . .make wuna carry go jare. . .

[quote author=Mr_Anony]......never be considered good by who?[/quote]Christians. . .Any body that comes out and issues such injunctions will NOT be considered as a good person by christians living today. . .So how is your god's nature good when we have him issuing things that christians today consider bad and evil. . .

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol, good for you then...I am not in the mood to play "semantics" today.[/quote]Regardless if your god is morally god then why do some of the things he commands us to do inspire our moral repulsion?. . .

Example. . However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

Any body that issues such command today can NEVER and will NEVER be considered as good. . .So how is your god good when we have him issuing commands we consider to be bad and evil?. . .

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Fallacy of equivocation. You are trying to equate moral evil to destruction. You score no points here, I'm sorry.[/quote]Destruction?. . .The bible verse I have here says evil. . .The most accurate english translation of the word is evil so don't know what you are on about. . .

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Morality is discriminating between good and evil. God's nature is good. Evil is a deviation from God's nature.[/quote]The same version of god you subscribe to claims he creates both good and evil, no?. . . .

musKeeto: And I suspect this is the point you and weigraf have been making. Did man need GOD to create rules for sports for example? The concept of sportsmanship?

But, I think Anony creates abstract concepts I DOUBT he understands himself in order to win arguments.

He always has to create abstract concepts he doesn't understand so that he can keep running around chasing his long tail. . .

larrymoore: also, christianity admits modification in faith while lslam doesnt.

Over time muslims will have to accept modifications in their faith to survive, muslims have gradually started doing that in the west. . .

What the FUCKKKKKKK is unmentionables?. . . .

Logicboy03: Hamza Tzortis, a well known muslim apologist made the claim that


1) Muhammad is the greatest man to ever live

2) That the iphone came because of islam (referring to the Arab golden age with algorithms and algebra)

3) Innocent before guilty in Western Courts came as a result of Islam/Muhammads teachings



The funny thing is that he never makes these claims in the non-muslim forums that he gets into. He only makes it on a muslim show



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC4z90uGEVE

Hamza Tzortis is a plagiarist. . .All his arguments are that of William Lane Craig. . .He is the muslim version of anony and Craig. . .

cyrexx: you mean these threads

https://www.nairaland.com/993339/muslims-house-please-give-look

https://www.nairaland.com/1004936/allah


O yea, he didn't see it coming. he was expecting the muslims to bow to his "superior" logic and change their views while he adamantly refuse to change his own view even after serious debunking.

he is a good apologists though, he is really good at defending his indefensible religion, i guess every religion has their bright minds, whose mission is to defend their faith by all means necessary, fair or foul

In there lies the problem. . .Sure every body should defend his/her world view but when it comes to outright lies then it becomes something else. . .Sophist like anony are just a joke, anony and others like him(William lane Craig) will throw the bible under the bus just to prove ridiculous points. For example William lane Craig who many say is the best christian debater and apologist will tell you that the god of the bible is the source of all human morality based on what is written in the bible, but when you show him how the bible god gives out moral instructions that even him abhors he will say that maybe the writers of the bible made a mistake, maybe they weren't told by god to do all the killings, maybe they just went on their genocide missions and falsely claimed god told them to do it. . .I am SERIOUS that was the defence he used in his debate against Edward Tabash. . .I was stunned. I like muslim apologist because they don't really go out of the way to throw the koran under the bus, they just use the koran and the basis for their arguments if you dislike what the koran says then its up to you to accept or not. . .

Logicboy03: The bold parts are the parts that I feel are the most important.

There is a deep seated disgust with unbelievers in Islam that goes deeper than the one in christianity. Read only thew first two chapters and count how many times the unbeliever is said to suffer.

Muslims are indoctrinated to believe that they are special and should consider themselve very lucky that they are muslims. That's why you hear them say things like thanks god am a muslim. They feel its a privilege to be a muslim. Islam just spends to much time exerting it self and making sure it comes first before anything. Christianity does that bit not as much as islam. Unbelievers are to be hated but not as much as in islam. Allah dislikes the unbelievers is what the koran says. . in the bible its not so clear, yahweh hates the unbelievers but they are to reached out to. . .Islam is too rigid while christianity is not, you can always self project yourself as god and tell people anything and the bible which is very contradictory will always be there to support your point of view no matter what it is. . .

The main difference between christians and muslims every where is indoctrination. The christian religion indoctrinates the average christian in a very different way islam indoctrinates the average muslim. I was both a christian and a muslim so i can say a word or two about it. Islam indoctrinates with excessive fear. It makes you believe if you doubt anything the religion teaches you will die immediately or some kind of evil will befall you. Islam says you are allah's slave and the relationship that exist btw muslims and allah is the master slave relationship, you are to accept the laid out commands and fully obey them with out complain. Allah says and that's all that matters. Allah is not your father, he is your master and you are his slave and that's all. Fear allah or be doomed that's all what islam teaches, fear fear fear and that's all. . .Everything begins and ends with fear. If allah says kill the infidels then they must be killed because allah is the master and as muslims your only duty is to worship allah and do what he says as the master. Slave are not supposed to have an opinion because only the opinion of the master counts. That's why muslims cry when allah or mohammed are ridiculed or insulted. They have been indoctrinated to believe that they are the ones that are supposed to fight when allah or mohammed are insulted. Allah is way to powerful and too big for people to insult him according to the way they were indoctrinated. He is the ultimate master and should never be joked with in any way. When i was a muslim even as a kid i was way too afraid. I was told my duty as a human being was to do all of allah's command. What ever is written in the koran is the untimate and as slaves we are just to obey without asking questions.

For christianity it is very different. The fear also plays a part but christianity comes with the fact that we are all yahweh's children and as such we have a "personal relationship" with him, the bible uses words like "comes let us reason together says the lord" in some parts so christians use that nuance to do many things like interject their personal opinions and interpretations. The relationship is not predicated on the master slave relationship like in islam which makes it not so rigid. Christians are always evolving on their positions because of the personal relationship they feel they have with their god unlike muslism who have no personal relationship with allah. The character of yahweh is also very contradictory that christians can easily cherry pick which character they want to go with and be very comfortable. If you want the violent fire and brimstone god who is a master the bible will provide you with that. . If you want the meek and fatherly type of god the bible will also provide you with it. Yahweh has no definite character based on the bible, its very easy to make out of him what ever you want to. Christianity like islam is also about serving yahweh or facing doom but due to the fact that there is this element of father child relationship it allows people to do what ever they want while still claiming that they are christians. The excessive fear factor does not exist in christianity the way it does in islam. Muslims must put islam first before themselves. . Christians on the other hand normally put their christianity and themselves on the same level.

musKeeto: Link?

No link. . .I have forgotten the tittle of the topic. . .

Logicboy03: Unbelievable! Tell me that you are not serious?



Anony lost to Tbaba? Tell me more!

Yeah. . Anony opened the topic in the islamic section. . .Cyrexx also commented on the topic as well. I don't know the tittle of the topic but tbaba served him well surprisingly. . . .

Logicboy03: First off, I am on a mission. So I have to be active. My atheist mission must succeed!


Secondly Tbaba would be destroyed by Anony. Tbaba is an intelligent mind limited by the Quran. Anony is a great apologists that has unlimited remixes and contortions of the bible to mean what Anony wants it to mean.

They have debated on the islamic section and surprisingly Tbaba won hands down. . .

CrazyMan: Hmmm...if the guy behind is her husband, then kindly explain what the guy in front is doing.

Its obvious she's hugging him from the back...why would my wife hug a guy infront, and have me pressing her a55 from behind...it doesn't make any sense...she ought to show her husband some respect.

I don't think I would tolerate my wife going that close to the guy in front...I'm a very jealous person.

Why will the husband have his hands around another lady's waist?. . .The guy holding her bum is doing it with more than enough confidence(he is even smiling and posing for the camera), and she doesnt seem bothered, they guy she is leaning against looks uncomfortable in my opinion. . That's enough to let you know he is the groom. . .

inurmind: This brings forth another question:

If god created all these outrageously huge things, why would he stoop to handling the affairs of little common men like us, trying to prove his power by fighting a tiny bunch of egyptians?

Does that even make sense? That I rule the world and have all the power there is, but will stoop as low as to exchange punches with a drunk village man?

Or fighting along side men and unable to defeat some of them because they had iron chariots. Imagine the same god running away because he was afraid men will build a tower that will reach up to him in the sky so he "confused their tongue". . .Imagine and educated and intelligent people believe all the myths. . .Na wah. . .

Mcfemad: I disagree.

Methinks, the guy holding the lady's bottom is the real groom/husband. He must have pushed her forward a bit unknowingly with the photographer taking the pics.

A closer look at the picture shows the other guy holding one of the bride's maid waist is the best man...#myopinion#

Very true. . .The guy holding her bum is the husband. . .How can the husband be holding another girls waist?. . .

debrief08: Lol, Efe, you must be new.

Obviously. . . .LOL

[quote author=Mr_Anony]My friend, you have repeated this same thing over and over again and you can repeat it some more if you like, the fact remains that one cannot make any valid moral judgment without ascribing to an objective morality[/quote]And the objective morality is?. . . .I have asked you many times to show how morality is objective and you keep speaking english. . .Point to how morality is objective and point to any source of determining what is right or wrong that is different from the human society. . .

[quote author=Mr_Anony]And once again, my point is that if what is right for me is wrong for you, and what is wrong for you is right for someone else, we immediately lose the right to make any moral judgments. For instance, you can no longer claim that a murderer is evil. It is merely your opinion. Murder is right for him.

If we respect subjective morality, we can no longer make any laws because it becomes a case of "who are you to tell someone else that an action is wrong?"

Whenever you say that something is evil and expect someone else to obviously agree with you, you are at that moment assuming an objective morality because you expect everyone to know that obviously such and such is wrong.[/quote]You know what am talking about but you as usual are trying to make things up and run commentary on them. I maintain that people chose what is right or wrong in every society, morality depends on what people chose to label as right or wrong. Consensus is what people chose to tag what is right or what is wrong. Morality is not objective but depends on the society and period in time. When I say that stealing is wrong I say so because most societies have come to agree that it is wrong, but that can not be said about polygamy or homosexuality. People select leaders and leaders through consensus make laws that they live by which are enforced on the people based on how the feel justice and prosperity of the people will be served, sometimes these laws are made based on greed and selfishness. These laws are subject to change and are constantly changing. Through out human history morality is based on human consensus and varies from place to place and time in history. It has never been objective and has nothing to do with any god since all moral laws and codes of conduct are a creation of human beings. . .

ifeness: I totally agree with you bro. Even Jesus might ask christians to cast the first stone if they think they are better than the gays.

The human race is still evolving,so laws do change according to the levels of evolution. Therefore,judging our present day society with the bible is wrong. Even our laws today will find the god of the bible primitive like the boko haram and talibans e.g stoning wayward children to death, not working on sunday etc. although some people are still caught up the the past(christians and muslims) that doent mean there are no sane people aiding the growth the society deserves.

The more we evolve,the more we readjust our laws.

Anony keeps claiming that morality is objective but when asked to show how he keeps speaking english. . . .

[quote author=Mr_Anony]If it is not about being right or wrong, what then is morality all about? the fact that two people disagree over what is morally right or what is morally wrong, does not suddenly mean that there is no objective right and wrong.
For instance i could ask you, what is wrong with slavery? I assure you that there are people who would argue that slavery is morally right while others would argue that slavery is morally wrong.[/quote]What am saying is that morality can not be objective when some people see nothing wrong with being gay others see it as a bad thing. Right or wrong depends on the society you live in and period in time. I said polygamy is right in some society and wrong in others. . .When slavery was good, your god was advocating the sale of people daughters into slavery. . .Right and wrong are not objective. . .If they were people you honour and revere as good men, people like Moses will not honoured and revered. . .If Moses was alive today and did what was written about him in the bible he will be executed or be sentenced to life in prison as a war criminal and an advocate of slavery. . .

[quote author=Mr_Anony]And I am saying it is either one country is right and another is wrong. Both cannot be right on the same issue. . . . . .or are you saying that countries can never be wrong?[/quote]Its not about being right and wrong. . .People chose what is right and what is wrong. . .As such morality can not be objective based on that fact. . .When people thought slavery was right your god was telling people to enslave their daughters. . .

[quote author=Mr_Anony]homosexuality cannot both be right and wrong at the same time now or can it?[/quote]You are here again with your ridiculous tactics. . .You keep claiming that morality comes from god and it is objective, i said that is false since that is NOT the case. If morality is objective then there is no way gay relationship will be acceptable in Denmark and be a crime in Nigeria. . .There is no way polygamy will be acceptable in Nigeria and be a crime in Sweden. . .The fact that slavery and genocide was championed by your god in the bible and remains a very big crime today says that morality is not god centred. . Humans learn to accept what is moral and what is not through consensus. . Morality evolves over time and varies from place to place. . .You are yet to tell us how morality is objective. . .How is morality objective when gays are protected and seen as doing the right thing in some societies while they are discriminated upon and seen as doing the wrong thing in other societies?. . .Tell me how morality is objective. . .

[quote author=Mr_Anony]It is not insulting in anyway. It is simply the logical outcome of denying the existence of objective moral values.[/quote]How is morality objective when it varies from place to place and time in history?. . .You have been saying it but have failed to show us how. . .If morality is objective as you claim then the god of the bible and your so called men of god have no moral values. . . .because you can not try what they did and not be seen as a barbaric monster by today's already evolved moral standard. If Moses were alive today he will be considered a war criminal and not a prophet of any god. . .If you try to discriminate against gays in the place where I live you can end up in prison for that since it is considered an offence but in a place like nigeria being gay will land you in prison so how is morality objective when it varies from place to place?

Ihedinobi: You really should look into that brain fatigue, you yawn too much when you suddenly get faced with brainwork. Makes it look like you're going completely brain-dead.

Meeehn, you done muddled things up, made a right pretty mess of it all. The Christian is the Holy Spirit's instrument for bringing the Word aka the Gospel aka the knowledge of the Faith to you, but the conviction, that persuasion in the heart is not the believer's job. It's his. Furthermore, just as your car can be said to take you to London, it is you who drive it there.

In like manner, the Holy Spirit "drives" the believer to share Him with a struggling unbeliever. In sharing the Faith, it is the Holy Spirit that the Christian shares and the Holy Spirit persuades the heart to let Him in. Only He can entreat the heart, nobody but God has the reins of a man's heart. And the Holy Spirit is mighty good at His job, though the heart can be steeled against His gentle entreaties, and quite a number of times is.

The heart only pumps blood to all parts of the body it has nothing to do with thoughts. . .The writers of the bible falsely thought the heart is what is responsible for thought and reasoning. When a person is anxious his heart beats faster as such they falsely thought reasoning comes from the heart. They didn't know anything about the brain. The bible is the word of ancient men that do not have as much knowledge as we now do. . .