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nairavsdollars:
Femi Adesina should be ashamed. A bridge a serious government will construct under one year Buhari used 8 years to do it and he keeps shouting as if he has done something extraordinary

PDP had sixteen years but didn't start the bridge. Does that make them unserious.

But for sake of argument, how can you start and finish that bridge in under three years even if the whole funds are available. Have you ever seen the bridge and the network of roads involved or you just want to complain

foryourmindlol:
A bridge built on loan, with toll gates which would be repaid by users?

While you're using Nigeria's loan from China to build free railway to your cousins' village in Niger Republic?

Are these people mad?

We should remember Buhari for imposing endless loan on Southeast? If anything we should curse that nepostic buffoon. A cunning tyranic buffoon.

the people using the rails will pay for tickets. Same Buhari built a road going to Cameroon from Enugu but none of you will complain. He built a bridge connecting Calabar with Cameroon too.

USA built a road connecting Canada and Mexico to enhance trade which people of Mexico and California are currently enjoying.

This is how nations are built.

Buhari failed in many areas but give him credit for the areas he succeeded. Everything no be wailing oga

Odumeje has found his way into Aso Rock. Congratulations to him.

After the bridge, Buhari should please finish the Enugu Onitsha express road and name it after his son. That way,his name and family will be truly immortalized in the SE.

Before you tell me he's not doing us a favor, remember Jonathan had years to do it and name it after his grandchildren but he didn't. So let the person who did name it after whatever he wants.

My business is to be able to move from Onitsha to Enugu in less than an hour which is the ideal time and not the current three hours journey.

I will say "thank you Buhari" after these two projects are completed. Until then, it's just campaign after election

I don't give money to beggers. No matter how disabled you look. Beggers are businessmen and women and begging is their hustle

What I do is help people with immediate needs. I can pay for your bus ticket provided you're boarding the same bus with me and you happen to be cash stricken.

Dirkcoyt:
I love this thread , what have deduced . Underground beefs Dey gbogbo eyin arabanbi family and west and east coast bone straight and harmony thugs

Price vs Value wahala
Akagum vs spender whalala
Young vs older wahala
Abroadians vs homebasedians wahala
Team Artisans vs team patronisers whahala

Critics vs don’t kill me with destructive crictism wahala

Team pepper dem vs team shey na like this we go Dey de

Team founding fathers vs the young shall grow wahala

Team story of my life vs we don’t need motivation

Team how to spend your money vs elegushi spenders

Team like and share vs team we are here for violence only

Team we never get money for cement vs hope this quotation is right




Are you a tailor vs I’m a fashion designer wahalai


everybody go Dey alright

this comrade is shaking a very delicate table

I'm here and following

Oduduwa707:
Stop attacking individuals demanding quality delivery for their hard-earned money.

Quality shouldn't be mistaken for Premium!

Quality should be the basic hallmark of every single business and corporation!

You can demand extra for Premium delivery but, NOT Quality delivery!

oga quality is relative. What you call premium might be what someone else calls basic stuff.

If you want something, be ready to pay the commissirate value for it. You can't be looking for Bentley on Toyota budget

bro4u:
You're wrong, some children are destined to be stubborn no matter the amount of discipline instilled in them. That's why most times you get to see children of clerics being the most wayward. It doesn't solely depend on the amount of beatings and floggings.
Don't use this mindset on your kids cos you might end up nurturing beasts immune to physical pains.

I don't believe in destiny. We're a product of our choices.

Raise a child right and he or she will make the right choices in life

Oduduwa707:
Sir STOP normalizing MEDIOCRITY!

What is worth doing at all is worth doing perfect!

wow that's all you can make out of it?

Here are some of my works which I did for people here.

I believe in a solution based criticism. If you have a solution to make Nigeria artisans better, I'm all ears. Anything short of that......

AmazonTopaz:
I agree with your first paragraph with you however kids are humans that deserve respect and dignity who should not be beaten anyhow in the name of discipline.

A child is not like a book, the child can always grow up and decide for him/herself and write a whole new chapter so it does not always stay because some of us have unlearned some of the things we learnt while growing up.Some children in dysfunctional or bad environments still turn out right who vice verse it is up to the child to carve their own part as parents we are to aid, guide and advice our children not live their lives for them or make choices for them the child will later on be able to tell right from wrong

see eh. No matter how terrible you decide to become in life, the basic foundation upon which you're raised will be drilled into your life

erico2k2:
we Fencing

you can have a look at these sliding gates

yuping:
My brother he no dey work like that oooooooo

ok then.

What works please

AmazonTopaz:
And you think today's parents don't still beat their kids,after all the beating they still end up as yahoo boys,ritualist, runs girls, gigolos and other vices you think those ones were not beaten abi?

Better study the psychology of children beating does not work on every child sometimes what they see you do is enough to correct them, for others communication helps it depends on the kind of communication languages some children have some are auditory others are not.

The parenting of those days were no better because the kids still turned out bad and hid things from their parents that wasn't discipline but fear.Parenting is with love you are raising humans not animals that you must always abuse in the name of beating without correction.If the parents of old were so good we won't be so corrupt, hateful and bitter and lack basic human emotion/love or call it decency.
It was the older generation that thought us every known corruption and vices we have today despite all the beating, no ground breaking innovation or progress attributed to the Nigerian society.

You don't know the meaning of "woke" study it and don't make it look like a bad or terrible thing, you Nigerians should stop buying into racist conservative narrative that was designed to attack the true purpose of what "woke" means which is to be alert and aware of racial/social injustices in our society there is nothing wrong in being woke.

The earth is evolving, we are in the information era, the age of Aquarius the era of social/political and environmental awareness and enlightenment.

Richy4:

I agree with you that parenting is a very difficult job..But I think it was not about being soft hearted or hardened... It's about wisdom and understanding...

There are lots of parents that beats their children, yet nothing... When they have succeeded in putting fears in those kids, just few mins of freedom, u won't know those kids.. because they will do the unimaginable..

Beating does not solve much believe me... It ends up damaging the kids... They will grow up becoming wife beaters, children beaters... When they get to a platform, they claimed that they were raised that way and turned out to be alright without knowing that they were really damaged inside...

if you raise your child right in a good environment from day one, chances of them going wary is very low.

A child is like a book, whatever you write is what stays. You can't raise a child in a dysfunctional family and society and expect him or her to turn out right.

Nnamdi Kanu even in prison will have a good reason to smile and have a good sleep tonight.

Hearing that his prophesies are coming to pass gives you a new level of "God like" feeling

tunjilee003:
my parents did the best they could, but after receiving beating, she would still commit more atrocities...

you don't start disciplining a child when he or she is ten. You start from the day they are born.


This water is already gone past the bridge. Take care of your sister with maximum love cause she deserves all the love but ensure she takes responsibility for her decisions. She must be made to bear the responsibility of parenting.

The idea of taking a child from the mother so she can live her full life doesn't sit well with me.

Should we tell him guys.


Your parents failed in parenting her. What happened to the old style of beating sense into a child when they start getting wayward. Dem no born you well to talk back to my parents. Parenting is a very difficult job and not for the soft hearted

This woke generation will tell you it's wrong but see where it landed her.

My heart goes out to the innocent unborn child who didn't do anything to deserve being brought into this mess

sonnie10:
Please do not buy ready made furniture, Go to the market and select the material you want, either fabric of leather, Give it to someone to make for you. Tell them the type of wood you want. Mahogany is a good one but be sure to see it once purchased or follow them to wood market to select the type of wood you want. Time consuming but that is what it is.

I prefer proffering solutions like this rather than being an armchair expert after few hours on Pinterest.

It's frustrating but sadly that's the situation of Nigeria currently. So instead of complaining, find ways to make it work. If you see something as sample and you really like it, drop the advance they asked of you and wait to get it instead of coming to the internet to complain.

Accessing credit facility as an entrepreneur in this country is terrible. While at it, our ability to handle funds is terrible. Just see how people who take loans from banks start buying stuff not related to the business

dongc:
Took me a while to explain to a driver who told me he needed to take 2 small Stouts to clear eyes before we drove almost 600km .he said the red eyes keeps him active and alert.man didn't know he was literally struggling to have his eyes open...

Omo I laughed hard reading this.

I have been in such situation and it rained that day. I prayed more than I have ever prayed my whole life

Which company will be hosting the servers.

Amazon, Microsoft and others dumped him and other right wings platforms. Just what happened to Spotify and that podcast guy is an idea of what a "cancel culture" can do to a company.

Trump deserves everything he's getting sha

Nwa anaedo.

Jisie ike

somehow:
Tesla refunds, replaces, does Baba Nneka refund/replace?

Tesla is worth $1trn, baba Nneka is worth his wife and children.

I'm not holding brief for baba Nneka. Judge me by my errors oh

somehow:
They should stop it, it's annoying. You can't even give your money to artisans again without the fear of wasting it.

making money is each but creating wealth will take painstaking efforts.

The former is what most people are for and that's why they will cheat, lie and dupe to become rich today forgetting that a good name will speak volumes for them.

Anyway,if Tesla can issue a recall for brand new cars,baba Mustafa Ali can do a chair that can break after six hours

Jeff68:
My Brother, I think you are missing the point, you are good at what you do and everyone here knows that. But taking up for every Nigerian Artisan is a tall order! Not everyone is as diligent as you or take pride in what they do. Many will cheat you or cheat themselves by offering a bad product. Because many of us live outside Nigeria, we have a certain standard we are use to, and many are willing to pay for it. But the quality must be top notch. Please do not take it as an attack on you or defend anyone but yourself and your work.

ALWAY PROUD OF YOU!

I'm speaking for those of us who are struggling to make it right even in Nigeria.

Don't lump all of us together and yes there are good carpenters too. You just haven't met them and trust me, you will be wowed by their talents.


Shalom

So he will hand Nigeria over God and then plaster his pictures everywhere.

Enough of this joke please

Focusmind:
It is the Nigerian ways of doing things. No attention to details. The "Oga, leave am like that"mentality. Na so we dey do am here.

I am shocked that Michlin could see someone's demand for good workmanship as an attack on Nigerian artisans while he had earlier made comments about how the Beninoise had taken over the plastering business from Nigerians because of poor workmanship.

I can't go below my taste. I will pay you money and demand thorough workmanship. There is nothing like "Nigeria is a difficult place". Every body is facing the same difficulty in his or her trade. That should not be a reason to compromise on quality.

Give them sample of what you want, some would still deliver below standards. Sometimes, it's not about having the correct tools. It's about concentration and cheer determination to deliver first class work.

Michlin, please allow people that demands professionalism to be. Once you have established taste for class, you wouldn't want to go below it.

Somehow, sorry I used your quote to digress.

you can demand professionalism and it's your right. Be ready to pay for it too.

If you see a chair that costs $10,000 and want to replicate it in Nigeria, kindly be willing to pay at least $7,000.

In a working country, there are vocational training schools where you learn all kinds of skills but it's not working in Nigeria. How do you want them to grow without relearning skills as they come. It's not long when our Nigeria engineers stopped using two pillars at the front of a building. No car lives after five years of being maintained by a Nigerian mechanic. If you ask them, they will tell you that Okoro imported inferior parts.

I have been seeing designs on Pinterest and I don't even know how they made it. If you bring such to me, I will tell you that I can't make it.

If anyone here can bring a functional vocational training center in this world, I will gladly attend and I know many artisans will. The lack of such training is the reason people always say "oga that's how we do it". That's because outside of that,he has no other idea as to how to get it done.

I thank God for this thread, I have learnt so much about my work and how to do better than I learnt under my boss. Due the type of people I meet here, I have improved my job tremendously but I still know that the journey isn't even started yet. Hopefully, I will keep learning

somehow:
When it comes to items like furniture, recommendation isn't everything due to the difference in taste.

What is even annoying is the fact that what they display is always good looking compared to what they end up building for you. I then wonder who built the displayed ones.

the samples are done by them. What happens is that there are dubious people who wants to eat today forgetting that they will still go hungry tomorrow.


From your complaints, it's obvious that he used inferior materials to do the job and that's why it started falling apart quite early.

See eh, after your numerous experience with artisans and people, I admire your resolve in still trusting people. You're a good person and I will encourage you to keep being good.

sonnie10:
Because of the argument here, out of curiosity I just googled to check how much the current price of Bellini set of leather furniture is, you won’t believe what I found.
The least one now is about $40k.

at $40,000, they'll see it on the internet and expect you to replicate with Nigeria price.

somehow:
I wanted to buy some chairs from vava earlier this year, my wife discouraged me due to the cost and said we should build one instead.

We checked various furniture makers, they are mostly displaying their jobs on major highways Lagos-Abeokuta express way etc.

We decided to try out one of those guys displaying good looking chairs.

I gave him specifics, down to using 100% fibre for the covering, do you know that 1 week into delivery (After delaying by 5 days), the arms of at least 2 of the seaters started shaking?

Called him several times to come fix these issues, he kept giving excuses until I stopped calling him.

He even used the wrong color and wanted more money to have the fabrics changed to the color I chose.

There are things I wont be allowing Nigerian artisans handle for me, it's just getting out of hand. Almost all the furniture makers I have patronized for the past 5 years disappointed me one way or the other.

I don't know why this is so, is that that perfection is no longer a yardstick?

Artisans no longer want to stand out or what exactly is happening?

sir, it's sad what happened to you but like every business dealings including the ones done here,caveats are included.

Recently, the best way to contract a job is through recommendations.

Trust but verify

sonnie10:
Good furniture are not cheap. Bought this set of Bellini for $12k in 2005. Still firm and no scratch till date

how many people in Nigeria and this thread can pay such amount for a set of chairs

bolu1986:
Ogami,

Well said but there is market for everyone...

Was on a site sometimes last year where the tiler minimum charges was 2300 per SQM labour only!! Anything less he wont do it.. you know he has the tools.. and he pay his labourer premium fees..

You just have to identify your own market and stick by it

by comparism, how many people wants the minimalistic designs. How many people can afford it.


Answer those questions and you will know why it's difficult to make. Few days ago, people here were talking about how difficult it's to access straight woods. It's not just that it's expensive, you really have to search for it very hard to get. After searching for treated woods for weeks or months and working on a project for months. You charge 2ml for a set of chairs and they will remind you that it's more expensive than imported woods.

Please, it's not easy doing what artisans do in Nigeria but I don't expect you guys to understand it cause it's easier to point out errors from the comfort of the keyboard. And everyone can become creative after browsing through Pinterest

Godisgreatest1:
I am 98% sure you won't find this in Nigeria. The first reason is because carpenters in Nigeria believe in 'the larger the better'..the second is that they 'love' to copy each other despite the obvious fact that the designs are boring.

I saw a 1 seater sofa that can occupy my entire living room!. Such furniture's are a waste of space and will eventually become habitats for rodents and pests.

I don't know if my choices are weird, because I have been searching for a perfect dinning table set since early 2021?. All I see is marble and more marbles.

Just ask any Nigerian carpenter to show you his samples then you will clearly see their deficiencies, both in terms of imagination and creativity.

how many people want minimalistic designs in Nigeria. You folks in this thread are somewhat living outside of reality seriously.

You guys have been berating Nigeria artisans for a few days now. If you think what we're doing is easy, kindly do it. The reason designs are repeated is because that's what our society wants. We want it big or nothing.

Being an artisan in Nigeria is very very difficult. You want to do something different whereas you don't know how the market will accept it and it's not like you have the funds to test new waters. Getting tools is very very expensive and even when you manage to get it, they will still compare your prices with what others are charging thereby demoralizing you.

What is the purchasing power of Nigerians. How many people can afford treated hardwood. The few who could simply would import it from Dubai.

Biko, if you don't want the artisans are currently making, take your own design and give them to make for you or you can simply import same.

somehow:
Democracy no fit Nigeria and Nigerians.

they sold us a dummy

Aforxzy:
We spent about 85million.

it's worth every kobo knowing how much the steel trustees cost